The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

[CB Fry]

Every single day the WASPI women get fuck all is a brilliant day.

[whelk]

2 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Every single day the WASPI women get fuck all is a brilliant day.

I actually thought of you when I saw the story today. Robbed they was! 
 

[Farmer Saint]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DUBf56JCf5j/?igsh=MTUyZHl2enFoOGY5aA==

[iansums]

17 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DUBf56JCf5j/?igsh=MTUyZHl2enFoOGY5aA==

Interesting, what’s it got to do with this thread?

[egg]

Sadly accurate. 

[AlexLaw76]

Not been a good day for the Labour Party

 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

34 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Not been a good day for the Labour Party

 

Nope. And certainly not for Starmer and his inner circle.

Intelligence raised concerns, as part of vetting. No idea what the foreign office found.

Passed along to cabinet office, who did sod all in any depth, before passing it along.

Meanwhile, you've got Morgan McSweeney pushing whole heartedly to give his pal the job.

Starmer, perhaps trying for some reflected Blairism, or just a puppet for others goes along with it.

Mandelson's dealings were known, to enough of an extent to establish risk.

They ask him a sum total of 3 questions. And let him take the job.

Even Trump didn't want him to have the job, knowing about the depth of the Epstein links.

Both Starmer and McSweeney were reluctant to punt Mandelson out of his ambassador's role, despite them claiming to have taken "decisive action."

I remember one labour MP being truly disgusted about Starmer and his decisions. She pointed out that MP's had lost the whip for standing against policies enforced from above (probably u-turned on by now), while they allowed Mandelson to get in and wanted him to stay. Right up until, like so many politicians, they were dragged into it being untenable.

We'll see if Starmer holds himself to the same standards, as he did Johnson, who promoted someone against reason.

The allegations of what Mandelson was doing while in office are damning, and are going to run and run.

Even the SNP, who try and block any police enquiry going, have asked for a police investigation.

[AlexLaw76]

10 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Nope. And certainly not for Starmer and his inner circle.

Intelligence raised concerns, as part of vetting. No idea what the foreign office found.

Passed along to cabinet office, who did sod all in any depth, before passing it along.

Meanwhile, you've got Morgan McSweeney pushing whole heartedly to give his pal the job.

Starmer, perhaps trying for some reflected Blairism, or just a puppet for others goes along with it.

Mandelson's dealings were known, to enough of an extent to establish risk.

They ask him a sum total of 3 questions. And let him take the job.

Even Trump didn't want him to have the job, knowing about the depth of the Epstein links.

Both Starmer and McSweeney were reluctant to punt Mandelson out of his ambassador's role, despite them claiming to have taken "decisive action."

I remember one labour MP being truly disgusted about Starmer and his decisions. She pointed out that MP's had lost the whip for standing against policies enforced from above (probably u-turned on by now), while they allowed Mandelson to get in and wanted him to stay. Right up until, like so many politicians, they were dragged into it being untenable.

We'll see if Starmer holds himself to the same standards, as he did Johnson, who promoted someone against reason.

The allegations of what Mandelson was doing while in office are damning, and are going to run and run.

Even the SNP, who try and block any police enquiry going, have asked for a police investigation.

Throw in that odious little woman sent to prison, and that bloke Caught out for being a nonce.

Thankfully this new broom is sweeping clean. Oh, more doctors strikes incoming.

Edited yesterday at 08:26 by AlexLaw76

[sadoldgit]

54 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Throw in that odious little woman sent to prison, and that bloke Caught out for being a nonce.

Thankfully this new broom is sweeping clean

If only you had been so critical of the last lot, perhaps you could be taken seriously. As for nonces, have you said anything about Trump so far?

[Farmer Saint]

Mandelson has always been a dodgy cunt, not sure why he was let near this iteration of the party.

 

[east-stand-nic]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

If only you had been so critical of the last lot, perhaps you could be taken seriously. As for nonces, have you said anything about Trump so far?

OMG, the amazing level of Irony. 

[sadoldgit]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Mandelson has always been a dodgy cunt, not sure why he was let near this iteration of the party.

 

Wasn’t he called “The Prince of Darkness” when he was Blair’s spin doctor? If the emails are kosher he needs the book thrown at him (as does Trump for kiddy fiddling). It seems that we have taken more action over the Epstein files so far than the US has. Andrew Mountbatten needs further investigation too. The Epstein files could probably do with its own thread.

I wonder how many of those who will kick off about Mandelson said a word against Dominic Cummings?

Edited yesterday at 11:29 by sadoldgit

[hypochondriac]

The adults are back in the room, the calm and silence is wonderful, no scandals emanating from the Labour Party.

[hypochondriac]

5 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Mandelson has always been a dodgy cunt, not sure why he was let near this iteration of the party.

 

Because those making the decisions have shown time and again now to be utterly incompetent and liable to make precisely the wrong decisions at the worst time. Watch for the inevitable u turn on scrapping jury trials and potentially Chagos next to join the long list. Fingers crossed assisted suicide joins it soon after.

[Farmer Saint]

35 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Because those making the decisions have shown time and again now to be utterly incompetent and liable to make precisely the wrong decisions at the worst time. Watch for the inevitable u turn on scrapping jury trials and potentially Chagos next to join the long list. Fingers crossed assisted suicide joins it soon after.

Considering we have now had this for the last 4 or 5 governments, it really does show the need for political reform.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

Considering we have now had this for the last 4 or 5 governments, it really does show the need for political reform.

Agreed. It started primarily with Blair and has continued pretty much ever since.

Edited yesterday at 15:44 by hypochondriac

[sadoldgit]

2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Considering we have now had this for the last 4 or 5 governments, it really does show the need for political reform.

It makes you wonder about the vetting processes of all of the parties. I can see why Starmer wanted Mandelson in Washington. He is a smarmy character who would be happy to suck up to Trump. A rudimentary check on his personal email account would have flushed out his activities during the Blair/Brown governments. We have a functioning spy network yet don’t seem to use it to monitor the activities of our own. It isn’t as if we don’t have a previous history of turncoats and currently Farage is far too cozy with the likes of Steve Bannon and Putin.

[badgerx16]

35 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

It makes you wonder about the vetting processes of all of the parties. I can see why Starmer wanted Mandelson in Washington. He is a smarmy character who would be happy to suck up to Trump. A rudimentary check on his personal email account would have flushed out his activities during the Blair/Brown governments. We have a functioning spy network yet don’t seem to use it to monitor the activities of our own. It isn’t as if we don’t have a previous history of turncoats and currently Farage is far too cozy with the likes of Steve Bannon and Putin.

Which failed to detect a Russian agent working as Keeper of the Queen's pictures.

[hypochondriac]

36 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

It makes you wonder about the vetting processes of all of the parties. I can see why Starmer wanted Mandelson in Washington. He is a smarmy character who would be happy to suck up to Trump. A rudimentary check on his personal email account would have flushed out his activities during the Blair/Brown governments. We have a functioning spy network yet don’t seem to use it to monitor the activities of our own. It isn’t as if we don’t have a previous history of turncoats and currently Farage is far too cozy with the likes of Steve Bannon and Putin.

Yes we do. Mandy was labelled a security risk but Starmer ignored it. Not sure why you're banging on about Farage again but there's a Reform thread if you want to discuss someone who isn't currently in power.

[AlexLaw76]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Yes we do. Mandy was labelled a security risk but Starmer ignored it. Not sure why you're banging on about Farage again but there's a Reform thread if you want to discuss someone who isn't currently in power.

Security threat, yet the forensic Starmer loved it

 

[Sheaf Saint]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Agreed. It started primarily with Blair and has continued pretty much ever since.

It goes back longer than that. There was plenty of incompetence and corruption in John Major's government. It's one of the main reasons they lost the 1997 election so heavily.

[iansums]

7 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

Wasn’t he called “The Prince of Darkness” when he was Blair’s spin doctor? If the emails are kosher he needs the book thrown at him (as does Trump for kiddy fiddling). It seems that we have taken more action over the Epstein files so far than the US has. Andrew Mountbatten needs further investigation too. The Epstein files could probably do with its own thread.

I wonder how many of those who will kick off about Mandelson said a word against Dominic Cummings?

To be fair this thread is about the ‘Starmer years’, you should know as you started it. Maybe resurrect that other thread you started ‘Tory scum years’.

[Lord Duckhunter]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Not sure why you're banging on about Farage again but there's a Reform thread if you want to discuss someone who isn't currently in power.

He can’t help himself.

Petie is the story, together with Starmers complete and utter  lack of judgement

“New broom” 😂😂😂

[hypochondriac]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He can’t help himself.

Petie is the story, together with Starmers complete and utter  lack of judgement

“New broom” 😂😂😂

I don't know about you but for the first time in most of our lives Britain is looking like a little haven of peace and stability.

 

[hypochondriac]

Still at least it's not the evil tories eh? 

"And so my government will fight, every day…

Until you believe again.

From now on…

You have a government unburdened by doctrine…

Guided only by a determination to serve your interests…

To defy, quietly…

Those who have written our country off.

You have given us a clear mandate…

And we will use it to deliver change…

To restore service and respect to politics…

End the era of noisy performance…

Tread more lightly on your lives…"

 

[whelk]

9 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Still at least it's not the evil tories eh? 

"And so my government will fight, every day…

Until you believe again.

From now on…

You have a government unburdened by doctrine…

Guided only by a determination to serve your interests…

To defy, quietly…

Those who have written our country off.

You have given us a clear mandate…

And we will use it to deliver change…

To restore service and respect to politics…

End the era of noisy performance…

Tread more lightly on your lives…"

 

Although there is going to be free transport for families who have children with cancer. McSweeney above himself it would seem. Mandelson was always dodgy - like Savile you just look at them and know they are a wrong ‘un. Starmer’s judgement clearly off. To the average voter it is still about making their own life better off so don’t think Mandelson impacts but all more ammo against them wanting moral high ground. 

[hypochondriac]

8 minutes ago, whelk said:

Although there is going to be free transport for families who have children with cancer. McSweeney above himself it would seem. Mandelson was always dodgy - like Savile you just look at them and know they are a wrong ‘un. Starmer’s judgement clearly off. To the average voter it is still about making their own life better off so don’t think Mandelson impacts but all more ammo against them wanting moral high ground. 

Whilst I agree it won't matter so much come the election if they sort cost of living, you have to admit the amount of scandal and crises has been ridiculous. Anyone can love Starmer but it's undeniable he has terrible judgement and no political instincts.

Edited 12 hours ago by hypochondriac

[The Kraken]

15 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Whilst I agree it won't matter so much come the election if they sort cost of living, you have to admit the amount of scandal and crises has been ridiculous. Anyone can love Starmer but it's undeniable he has terrible judgement and no political instincts.

I don’t think anybody does, do they? I certainly voted for Labour on the basis that Starmer was bland and a bit boring but might steady the ship, cut out the weekly crises, and bring some normality to politics.

Oh sweet summer child….

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, The Kraken said:

I don’t think anybody does, do they? I certainly voted for Labour on the basis that Starmer was bland and a bit boring but might steady the ship, cut out the weekly crises, and bring some normality to politics.

Oh sweet summer child….

I just saying it's theoretically possible! Fair to say those who voted Labour have been rather burnt including my father.

[tdmickey3]

19 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I just saying it's theoretically possible! Fair to say those who voted Labour have been rather burnt including my father.

This is true but you can understand why they didn't vote for the Tories again after the 14 year mess.

God forbid we get Reform next

The political landscape is an utter mess.

What is the answer?

[egg]

17 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

This is true but you can understand why they didn't vote for the Tories again after the 14 year mess.

God forbid we get Reform next

The political landscape is an utter mess.

What is the answer?

This. I voted Lib Dem, but labour were considered as the Tories simply had to go after their destruction. 

Labour had very little to work with, but the dithering is not the sign of a decent government, and putting faith in Mandelson knowing the Epstein link was naive at the very best. 

But yep, Tories still ain't the answer,  Reform would be an epic disaster, Labour are failing, the Libs aren't making many credible noises, and the Greens are madder than a box of frogs. 

[trousers]

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

Indeed. He's now admitted in parliament that he knew that Mandelson continued to have a relationship with Epstein after he'd gone to prison for being a paedophile and he still considered it appropriate to hire him. Not sure how he survives this one.

[hypochondriac]

No idea if this is true or not but if it is then undoubtedly more to come

[tdmickey3]

27 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Indeed. He's now admitted in parliament that he knew that Mandelson continued to have a relationship with Epstein after he'd gone to prison for being a paedophile and he still considered it appropriate to hire him. Not sure how he survives this one.

I expect serious moves in the party will be being made to remove him from the PM role

[trousers]

30 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Indeed. He's now admitted in parliament that he knew that Mandelson continued to have a relationship with Epstein after he'd gone to prison for being a paedophile and he still considered it appropriate to hire him. Not sure how he survives this one.

Starmer's argument seems to be: "I knew Mandleson was still involved with a convicted peadophile but I didn't know by how much"

Surely the depth of his relationship is immaterial? Surely any level of relationship is enough to rule him out? 

Starmer doesn't have a leg to stand on. It's almost as bad a judgement as eating a piece of birthday cake during a Covid lockdown...

Edited 6 hours ago by trousers

[Holmes_and_Watson]

5 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I just saying it's theoretically possible! Fair to say those who voted Labour have been rather burnt including my father.

Bloomin' heck. Assisted dying was horrible enough. Now we're burning people?! Starmer out! 

[Guided Missile]

Love the latest music video here:
 

[tdmickey3]

23 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

Love the latest music video here:
 

funny drinking video - Google Search

[badgerx16]

17 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

funny drinking video - Google Search

Smile John, you're on Candid Camera.

[hypochondriac]

Imagine what the opposition would be saying if this were Boris Johnson embroiled in this.

[tdmickey3]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Imagine what the opposition would be saying if this were Boris Johnson embroiled in this.

The same

[egg]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

Starmer's argument seems to be: "I knew Mandleson was still involved with a convicted peadophile but I didn't know by how much"

Surely the depth of his relationship is immaterial? Surely any level of relationship is enough to rule him out? 

Starmer doesn't have a leg to stand on. It's almost as bad a judgement as eating a piece of birthday cake during a Covid lockdown...

Yep. I can't see where he can go from here. If he'd done reasonable due diligence and nothing was disclosed, fine, but having done so only to ignore something highly relevant, his judgement cannot be at the level needed of a PM. 

[Farmer Saint]

22 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Imagine what the opposition would be saying if this were Boris Johnson embroiled in this.

Not sure what you think is not being said? Mandelson is a cunt and Starmer needs to go.

Edited 5 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[hypochondriac]

45 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

The same

It would be more self righteous and vociferous. They'd be calling for him to step down, saying that his government is mired in sleaze and corruption and saying there should be a general election.

[hypochondriac]

26 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Not sure what you think is not being said? Mandelson is a cunt and Starmer needs to go.

@whelkdo you agree with this assessment?

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

Smile John, you're on Candid Camera.

John also started a thread in praise of a sexual abuser https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65531098

Watch him go silent again as the reality of Trump/Bannon/Epstein emerges.

None of this excuses Mandelson by the way nor Starmer’s piss poor judgement (again) to be clear, but one eyed, drunken hypocracy deserves exposing. 

[rallyboy]

51 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Imagine what the opposition would be saying if this were Boris Johnson embroiled in this.

Indeed, these types of scandals were pretty regular events for him. but it's been interesting to hear the selective thoughts of people who looked the other way in silence for 14 years.

Most people are consistent and slag off crap PMs from whatever party, but there are still Nigel and Boris fanboys here who pretend neither of those fuckers have been bankrolled by Russia, and their multiple breaches of ministerial codes don't seem to matter.

Did Boris play a blinder? No, his negligence resulted in thousands of deaths, he is by far the most corrupt PM in UK history but he's even going to lose that title when Farage takes over. Financed by Moscow and hedge funds, he's a puppet of Trump who is conning voters with fabricated stories on a weekly basis. Mandelson should be in the same prison wing as those two - in fact, make the three of them share a cell.

 

 

And if anyone wants to confirm they're a cunt just hit confused or laughing emoji.

 

 

 

[aintforever]

48 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Not sure what you think is not being said? Mandelson is a cunt and Starmer needs to go.

I agree, I think most people do. Hypo just needs to wet his pants about something.

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

Indeed, these types of scandals were pretty regular events for him. but it's been interesting to hear the selective thoughts of people who looked the other way in silence for 14 years.

Most people are consistent and slag off crap PMs from whatever party, but there are still Nigel and Boris fanboys here who pretend neither of those fuckers have been bankrolled by Russia, and their multiple breaches of ministerial codes don't seem to matter.

Did Boris play a blinder? No, his negligence resulted in thousands of deaths, he is by far the most corrupt PM in UK history but he's even going to lose that title when Farage takes over. Financed by Moscow and hedge funds, he's a puppet of Trump who is conning voters with fabricated stories on a weekly basis. Mandelson should be in the same prison wing as those two - in fact, make the three of them share a cell.

 

 

And if anyone wants to confirm they're a cunt just hit confused or laughing emoji.

 

 

 

Boris is no longer in power. What is relevant now is the corruption being uncovered in the Labour Party which to my mind is even more hypocritical given that they sold themselves on being different. Boris never tried to hide the fact that he was a massive throbbing bellend.