The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

[Sir Ralph]

8 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Given the size of the winning majority, and low number of votes nvolved in the allegations, I don't think the result was in any way impacted, so I would not think so.

12% of voters observed were impacted by this. 37,000 voters -12% is 4,440 votes enough to change the outcome.

I’m telling you that this type of family / community based block voting occurs and is a strategy. We should be concerned about it. If you ask political consultants they will tell you this will influence May elections resulting in lots of fringe / independents getting into power some of whom probably don’t have the wider community interest at heart

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[Saint86]

11 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Given the size of the winning majority, and low number of votes nvolved in the allegations, I don't think the result was in any way impacted, so I would not think so.

They won by 4400 votes. Turnout was 37k. The reported 12% observed/alleged illegal votes is 4440. So It is a significant number and could certainly be argued as such by the losing parties. Although i tend to agree that whether or not there was "family" voting, the same people would largely have voted green if left to their own devices. What it does indicate though (as i said above), is that people should be voting in private, and such a significant level of illegal voting patterns is damaging confidence in the democratic process.

Edited 10 hours ago by Saint86

[Lord Duckhunter]

4 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

In what way is this result worse for Farage than Starmer?

It’s not, only the truly biased would think it was.

The only way Reform was going to win this seat was the leftie vote splitting 50/50ish with 3 parties on approx 30% and them coming through the middle.  That’s obvious to anyone other than the completely biased.

In 2024 Leftie parties  accounted for 70% of the vote there, the difference being Labour mopped up over 50% of it. With their vote down to 25%, Reform had no chance, they’re never going to pick up enough disgruntled Labour supporters anymore than the Greens would pick up disgruntled Tories in a blue wall seat. A local candidate may have picked up 2 or 3 % more, but their ceiling was always 30%ish in that seat. 
 

As for Starmer, he directly cost them the seat as Andy Burnham would have won, no bother. He’s done, his MP’s know it and deep down he must know it. Labour don’t like removing leaders, they’re hopeless at it, but with The Greens offering an alternative on the left and Reform eating the red wall lunch, the locals are going to be an unmitigated disaster. A fully deserved ending to a complete and hopeless spell in charge of the country. The Will Still Prime Minister….

[AlexLaw76]

The question is….

Is the new broom still sweeping clean?

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, Saint86 said:

They won by 4400 votes. Turnout was 37k. The reported 12% observed/alleged illegal votes is 4440. So It is a significant number and could certainly be argued that its significant. Although i tend to agree that whether or not there was "family" voting, the same people would largely have voted green if left to their own devices. What it does indicate though (as i said above), is that people should be voting in private, and such a significant level of illegal voting patterns is damaging confidence in the democratic process.

Whch is what is supposed to happen, and if it doesn't then the fault lies directly with the election officials.

[badgerx16]

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

The question is….

Is the new broom still sweeping clean?

Fucking washout, major disappointment.

[Sir Ralph]

This one makes me shudder….evacuate

The Polanski Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

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[Holmes_and_Watson]

3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

The question is….

Is the new broom still sweeping clean?

Turned out to be a cardboard cut-out of an actual broom.

[Lord Duckhunter]

24 minutes ago, aintforever said:

My other half pays no interest in politics whatsoever so usually votes for who I suggest. Put the cross next to the rose or the bird, never the tree.

 

I suspected she must be a bit dopey to be married to you. Thanks for confirming…

 

I don’t know why everyone getting so uptight about dodgy votes in this particular election. This has been going on in Muslim areas for years. Whatever next, people getting irate about postal voting fraud & voter misrepresentation. Nothing will change, can’t upset the Community leaders….

[AlexLaw76]

Vote early, vote often has been OBE’d by the husband dragging his wives into voting booths and telling them who to vote for.

 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Just now, Sir Ralph said:

This one makes me shudder

The Polanski Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

My moobs are all tingly at the thought of their enlargement, along with the economy. 🙂

The only thing I've heard about the new Green MP, was her speech. She sounded like a person who used to be comfortably in the left of the Labour party.

With Starmer pushing to the right, and then trying to counter reform, a new home may have opened up for them.

Corbyn's party may find it's getting less traction. 

[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Vote early, vote often has been OBE’d by the husband dragging his wives into voting booths and telling them who to vote for.

 

Bit harsh on the Reform wife-beaters, they would struggle to write an 'X'.

[Saint86]

6 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

My moobs are all tingly at the thought of their enlargement, along with the economy. 🙂

The only thing I've heard about the new Green MP, was her speech. She sounded like a person who used to be comfortably in the left of the Labour party.

With Starmer pushing to the right, and then trying to counter reform, a new home may have opened up for them.

Corbyn's party may find it's getting less traction. 

Yeah, her speech was great. A self made landlord with a million pound property portfolio talking about standing up to the millionaires and billionaires, how "hard work should get you a home", and all for a party that wants to abolish private landlords (it was at this point that i questioned if she knew which party she was standing for). All backed by large Muslim vote that now supports legalising sex work and LGBTQ+ rights, and where potentially a small number of people have had to tell another group of people exactly how one fills in a voting form. We can say one thing, the constituency isn't a shining example of an educated and politically conscious england. The greens probably could've have stood bonnie blue and won an even bigger majority 🤣

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[Sir Ralph]

8 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

My moobs are all tingly at the thought of their enlargement, along with the economy. 🙂

The only thing I've heard about the new Green MP, was her speech. She sounded like a person who used to be comfortably in the left of the Labour party.

With Starmer pushing to the right, and then trying to counter reform, a new home may have opened up for them.

Corbyn's party may find it's getting less traction. 

I think that’s what the Greens are - those on the left of the Labour Party and some well beyond that. I question their experience in anything remotely complex or significant. I don’t think many leading companies would be looking to employ them, put it that way.

She does have four greyhounds though. 
 

Polanski up to his old tricks again in this photo 🤣

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[Farmer Saint]

5 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I think that’s what the Greens are - those on the left of the Labour Party and some well beyond that. I question their experience in anything remotely complex or significant.

She does have four greyhounds though. 

I assume you also question Reform's experience as well considering who they generally put forward?

Plus, not being funny here, plumbing is fucking complex at times.

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[Lord Duckhunter]

8 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

The greens probably could've have stood bonnie blue and won an even bigger majority

Especially as Zack would have sorted out her tits…

[Holmes_and_Watson]

9 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I assume you also question Reform's experience as well considering who they generally put forward?

Plus, not being funny here, plumbing is fucking complex at times.

I've more time for someone with actual skills and life experience, than I have for a number of the brain dead, with nothing but careerist troughing to their political lives.

[Sir Ralph]

21 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I've more time for someone with actual skills and life experience, than I have for a number of the brain dead, with nothing but careerist troughing to their political lives.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/798031/can-you-really-think-your-boobs-bigger/

Just this…..

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[iansums]

1 hour ago, aintforever said:

It's obviously an issue that needs stamping out but to suggest it changed the result is just in Trump territory.

My other half pays no interest in politics whatsoever so usually votes for who I suggest. Put the cross next to the rose or the bird, never the tree.

 

Do you make her wear a burqa?

[hypochondriac]

Karl Turner MP is a cracking bloke and might actually persuade me to vote Labour if he were my MP.

[sadoldgit]

5 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Why do you have to be such a bellend all the time? Nothing you've said makes me uncomfortable I'm very open about my beliefs. You're well aware of my view on Islamophobia, I'm not sure why you had to bring it up put of the blue in this thread because I never mentioned it. There are plenty of reasonable and rational reasons to not be a fan of Islam. That's not a phobia. In my opinion Islamophobia is a nonsense word with as yet no official definition that is used by people with an agenda to try to silence legitimate criticism of Islam. This differs from anti Muslim hate crimes and violence which is abhorrent and should be condemned. 

The above has little to no relevance to this discussion.

And yet if someone criticises anything that the Netanyahu regime does you seem comfortable when they are described as anti Semites. Probably because you are good with those killing Muslims.

I agree that Islamophobia is a clumsy description and that there should be an equivalent to anti Semitism for those who hate Muslims. Given your long posting history that word would describe you perfectly.

I will never forget your post when you blamed all Muslims as being complicit in extremist terror attacks because they weren’t going to the police to pass on information about the terrorist activities. I’m not sure why you would think that all Muslims have knowledge about extremist activities. I guess you just swallow the views of the far right that Muslims are trying to take over the country?

It is possible to have a dislike of a particular religion or religions without hating on all of the people who follow those religions. Stating the obvious, not all followers of the various religions are extremist nutters and most just want to live in peace and get on with their lives.

Out of interest, have you ever criticised the encroachment into the West Bank by extreme Zionists? Probably not given you didn’t have a problem with the genocide in Gaza and even went so far as the add laughing emojis along with nutty nic.

 

[moonraker]

13 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Karl Turner MP is a cracking bloke and might actually persuade me to vote Labour if he were my MP.

So is Al Carns, "Flag shagging patriots" worst nightmare, ex CO of the SBS MC DSO and bar, very impressive and obviously very intelligent, worth listening to

 

[hypochondriac]

14 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

And yet if someone criticises anything that the Netanyahu regime does you seem comfortable when they are described as anti Semites. Probably because you are good with those killing Muslims.

I agree that Islamophobia is a clumsy description and that there should be an equivalent to anti Semitism for those who hate Muslims. Given your long posting history that word would describe you perfectly.

I will never forget your post when you blamed all Muslims as being complicit in extremist terror attacks because they weren’t going to the police to pass on information about the terrorist activities. I’m not sure why you would think that all Muslims have knowledge about extremist activities. I guess you just swallow the views of the far right that Muslims are trying to take over the country?

It is possible to have a dislike of a particular religion or religions without hating on all of the people who follow those religions. Stating the obvious, not all followers of the various religions are extremist nutters and most just want to live in peace and get on with their lives.

Out of interest, have you ever criticised the encroachment into the West Bank by extreme Zionists? Probably not given you didn’t have a problem with the genocide in Gaza and even went so far as the add laughing emojis along with nutty nic.

 

I'm happy for you though. Or sorry it happened.

[hypochondriac]

8 minutes ago, moonraker said:

So is Al Carns, "Flag shagging patriots" worst nightmare, ex CO of the SBS MC DSO and bar, very impressive and obviously very intelligent, worth listening to

 

People crave authenticity. I might disagree with everything Karl Turner says but every time I've listened to him speak it's engaging, heartfelt and real. There's other considerations ns of course but that sort of thing will go a long way towards winning someone's vote.

[Saint86]

Keir trying to come out fighting (too little too late) - he's clearly a dead man walking at this point, really should just resign and let someone else get the clobbering that's coming in May (they're all so desperate to jockey for position, to knife him, and ultimately go get his job, but not so desperate that they want him to go before then)... should just give it to them now and have a laugh in a couple of months at their expense 🤣😄

"We’ve seen the true colours of Zack Polanski’s Greens in this campaign. The Greens were able to capitalise on an endorsement from George Galloway to win over enough voters to push them over the line. Their willingness to welcome Galloway’s divisive, sectarian politics is a sign that the Greens are not the harmless environmentalists they pretend to be, and their position on legalising all drugs shows how unstable this electoral coalition is. It cannot survive a general election campaign. We will continue to warn of the risk the Greens pose: the risk of extreme policies like legalising all drugs and pulling out of Nato that most voters strongly reject, and the risk of splitting the progressive vote so that Reform come through the middle.”

 

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[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/798031/can-you-really-think-your-boobs-bigger/

Just this…..

Just to clarify, I'm putting Plumbing in the "actual skills" category. Mammary Mesmirist would go into the "contact the authorities" category. 🙂

[Farmer Saint]

All these bloody white British Green voters. Disgusting Muslims.

 

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Just to clarify, I'm putting Plumbing in the "actual skills" category. Mammary Mesmirist would go into the "contact the authorities" category. 🙂

Still don't think it's as mad as thinking Brexit was a good idea.

[Sheaf Saint]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

As for Starmer, he directly cost them the seat as Andy Burnham would have won, no bother. 

For once I am in complete agreement with you. In blocking Burnham he put his own interests before the party's (and the country's), and losing the seat to the Greens is squarely on his shoulders.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Karl Turner MP is a cracking bloke and might actually persuade me to vote Labour if he were my MP.

 

1 hour ago, moonraker said:

So is Al Carns, "Flag shagging patriots" worst nightmare, ex CO of the SBS MC DSO and bar, very impressive and obviously very intelligent, worth listening to

 

An MPs we actually like thread?

Nice to hear some positivity around elected reps, in amongst the news.

[trousers]

45 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Still don't think it's as mad as thinking Brexit was a good idea.

The good people of Gorton and Denton  had a chance to send a message to the rest of the nation yesterday, and blew it. You'd have thought the notion of rejoining the EU would have been more popular... At least more popular than Sir Oink-a-Lot... 

Afterthought: aren't the Monster Raving Loonies being a teeny bit racist with their choice of candidate name, in a constituency with a relatively high Muslim population....? Or am I reading too much into that...? 🙂

 

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[hypochondriac]

52 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

All these bloody white British Green voters. Disgusting Muslims.

 

That's very disingenuous. No one has suggested that the Green vote is solely comprised of Muslims. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Karl Turner MP is a cracking bloke and might actually persuade me to vote Labour if he were my MP.

We’ve actually got a labour MP here, the first time in the 30 years I’ve lived here. He’s not a bad bloke actually, gets involved with local problems (things the fucking useless  BCP should be sorting), he actually called for Starmer to go about a month ago so, so is ahead of that particular curve. He’s only has an 18 majority so I doubt he’ll serve another term, but he’s better than the pompous Tory twat we had previously, and better than the fucking dopey Lib Dem bird in the next constituency, whose daughter went to school with mine and had always been a busy body traffic warden type. 

If he stood as an independent he might attract the support of floating voters like me, but folk round her aren’t voting for Reeves to run the economy, Fucking Sir Kier, Lammy and the Ginger Growler. They’ve had their chance and blown it..

[Challenger]

4 hours ago, AlexLaw76 said:

The question is….

Is the new broom still sweeping clean?

It never did and never will.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, trousers said:

The good people of Gorton and Denton  had a chance to send a message to the rest of the nation yesterday, and blew it. You'd have thought the notion of rejoining the EU would have been more popular... At least more popular than Sir Oink-a-Lot... 

Afterthought: aren't the Monster Raving Loonies being a teeny bit racist with their choice of candidate name, in a constituency with a relatively high Muslim population....? Or am I reading too much into that...? 🙂

 

You are. All of their voters didn't get past the "Sir", voting out of deference to those at the top, who've been having an awkward time of it. So, it will definitely be you reading too much into it, and definitely not me. >cough<

[Gloucester Saint]

11 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

Local elections don't tend to show it tbh. Many local people don't vote in locals - they tend to be used by those looking to make a point.

Considering how shit Reform has shown to be when in local government, getting in will be a disaster for them ahead of the election.

9% council tax rise in neighbouring Worcestershire after Quelle Surprise their poundshop version of DOGE found that austerity had already stripped the bark off of trees. 

[aintforever]

7 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

I suspected she must be a bit dopey to be married to you. Thanks for confirming…

 

I don’t know why everyone getting so uptight about dodgy votes in this particular election. This has been going on in Muslim areas for years. Whatever next, people getting irate about postal voting fraud & voter misrepresentation. Nothing will change, can’t upset the Community leaders….

Well she’s not married to some stuck-in-80s bellend who still calls women chicks so she’s one up on your old dragon.