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3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Stu Armstrong and Tella??? Adams? 

We have Fernandes instead of Stu, Dibling and Robinson instead of Tella and BBD, Stewart AND Archer instead of Adams. So no, I don’t envy them.

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1 hour ago, vectraman said:

Hopefully one of the other interested teams sign him rather than us.  Unwanted by Palace, Sheffield United didn’t want to buy him after his loan spell, and quite frankly we already have Sam Edozie who has a similar record and would cost us nothing. No thanks. 
That would be an underwhelming signing with a capital U.

To be fair, our double barrelled names quotient has taken a dip of late, we need a newbie.

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12 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

We have Fernandes instead of Stu, Dibling and Robinson instead of Tella and BBD, Stewart AND Archer instead of Adams. So no, I don’t envy them.

Now you're just being deliberately obtuse. Adams, for all his faults, brought far more to the team than Stewart and Archer combined ever have. And to suggest otherwise is beyond delusional.

Edit - and Stu was a big player for us last time in this league. And you're saying you're happier that we have a player who is in all likelihood going to be sold before the end of the window? Wow.

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51 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Well the chairman sounds a little scamp….

 

Honestly, what do I think about this story?

Ashamed.
There are no other words.

President Galitsky has stated several times that he wants to let his players go if that's their wish, he and even the coach have already stated that Spertsyan only has 1 year left on his contract at the club so he can sign wherever he wants,

Which is false, he lied because behind everyone's back, Galitsky extended Spertsyan's contract without declaring it publicly and we don't know when the extension was made.
But even his agent doesn't seem to be aware of this extension.

This is also why the release clause was not triggered in the last SaintsFC offer.

How can a professional club, which won the championship last year, which has stated several times that they are ready to let their player leave whenever they want, even on a free, how can this club afford to extend the contract of its star player without publicly declaring it?

It may not be illegal, but it lacks a great deal of professionalism, but it proves once again that Galitsky and Krasnodar are doing everything possible to ensure that Spertsyan remains in Krasnodar for life, despite their public statements.

The question we also ask ourselves is: why did Edo agree to extend?
Too much pressure? Possible, we know, we have examples and proof that Russian clubs put pressure on their best "foreign" players to make them stay, this was the case with Tiknizyan, Lokomotiv Moscow had refused all offers from European clubs before accepting the offer from the Serbians.
The same goes for Dynamo Moscow's pressure on Arsen Zakharyan to choose Russia over Armenia and then be free to go wherever he wants if there are offers in Europe.

Surely there's a clause in his previous contract that triggers a new extension? Who knows? Now that we've seen them lie publicly on numerous occasions, we know they're capable of anything.

In short, this championship is a championship to be avoided by Armenians, never trust businessmen because they are even capable of betraying one of their compatriots.
Galitsky is Armenian, but from today on he will not be considered as such, even if many have never considered him Armenian since he married a Russian woman and changed his name but that is his personal life, everyone has their own opinion.

To return to “football”
We understand better why all of Eduard Spertsyan's transfers have failed, he is stuck in his club despite everything he has done and achieved.

 

Suspect downing tools probably isn’t an option there if you want to leave with both legs intact. 

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7 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Now you're just being deliberately obtuse. Adams, for all his faults, brought far more to the team than Stewart and Archer combined ever have. And to suggest otherwise is beyond delusional.

Edit - and Stu was a big player for us last time in this league. And you're saying you're happier that we have a player who is in all likelihood going to be sold before the end of the window? Wow.

I'd also say that Stu was a different profile to Fernandes. Stu was a 10, he could float across the 3.

Fernandes is a CM.

We don't have a Stu type player in the team at all, which is why the club are trying to sign one. I'm not really sure what Lighthouse is on about.

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Posted
55 minutes ago, Turkish said:

Well the chairman sounds a little scamp….

 

Honestly, what do I think about this story?

Ashamed.
There are no other words.

President Galitsky has stated several times that he wants to let his players go if that's their wish, he and even the coach have already stated that Spertsyan only has 1 year left on his contract at the club so he can sign wherever he wants,

Which is false, he lied because behind everyone's back, Galitsky extended Spertsyan's contract without declaring it publicly and we don't know when the extension was made.
But even his agent doesn't seem to be aware of this extension.

This is also why the release clause was not triggered in the last SaintsFC offer.

How can a professional club, which won the championship last year, which has stated several times that they are ready to let their player leave whenever they want, even on a free, how can this club afford to extend the contract of its star player without publicly declaring it?

It may not be illegal, but it lacks a great deal of professionalism, but it proves once again that Galitsky and Krasnodar are doing everything possible to ensure that Spertsyan remains in Krasnodar for life, despite their public statements.

The question we also ask ourselves is: why did Edo agree to extend?
Too much pressure? Possible, we know, we have examples and proof that Russian clubs put pressure on their best "foreign" players to make them stay, this was the case with Tiknizyan, Lokomotiv Moscow had refused all offers from European clubs before accepting the offer from the Serbians.
The same goes for Dynamo Moscow's pressure on Arsen Zakharyan to choose Russia over Armenia and then be free to go wherever he wants if there are offers in Europe.

Surely there's a clause in his previous contract that triggers a new extension? Who knows? Now that we've seen them lie publicly on numerous occasions, we know they're capable of anything.

In short, this championship is a championship to be avoided by Armenians, never trust businessmen because they are even capable of betraying one of their compatriots.
Galitsky is Armenian, but from today on he will not be considered as such, even if many have never considered him Armenian since he married a Russian woman and changed his name but that is his personal life, everyone has their own opinion.

To return to “football”
We understand better why all of Eduard Spertsyan's transfers have failed, he is stuck in his club despite everything he has done and achieved.

 

What a ridiculous fiasco. Signs a new contract, unbeknown to his agent !!

Something doesn’t add up there, but we’ll probably never know what.

35 minutes ago, Wsaint said:

Not sure you can really blame the club on this one, if what matey above has tweeted is true.

Of course it’s easy to say we should have walked away sooner but if he’d ended up signing for Sheff Utd or Watford we’d have been criticising the club for not pursuing the deal. 

On the other hand  we’ve possibly been naive again in just focusing on the one target for too long, although you don’t know what encouragement we received from his agent. We now  find ourselves looking at plans B downwards, just hope we don’t reach the Elyonoussi level before we make a signing.

 

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1 minute ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Now you're just being deliberately obtuse. Adams, for all his faults, brought far more to the team than Stewart and Archer combined ever have. And to suggest otherwise is beyond delusional.

Archer had two half season loans in the Championship, scoring 7 and 11 goals respectively. As luck would have it, those 18 goals came in exactly the same number of appearances (40) as Adams made two years ago. Stewart scored 10 in 13 league games before his injury. I’m not expecting that now but he clearly knows how to score. Then there’s BBD, who’s averaged 18 goals a season in his last two full Championship campaigns.

 

So given that all three of those players have individually outscored Che Adams’ rate of 16 goals a season, I am willing to indulge the ‘delusion’ that they might be capable of five goals each this campaign to put them in the same ballpark, collectively.

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Posted
7 minutes ago, Badger said:

What a ridiculous fiasco. Signs a new contract, unbeknown to his agent !!

Something doesn’t add up there, but we’ll probably never know what.

Of course it’s easy to say we should have walked away sooner but if he’d ended up signing for Sheff Utd or Watford we’d have been criticising the club for not pursuing the deal. 

On the other hand  we’ve possibly been naive again in just focusing on the one target for too long, although you don’t know what encouragement we received from his agent. We now  find ourselves looking at plans B downwards, just hope we don’t reach the Elyonoussi level before we make a signing.

 

Wow. Quite the shambles.

Posted
13 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I'd also say that Stu was a different profile to Fernandes. Stu was a 10, he could float across the 3.

Fernandes is a CM.

We don't have a Stu type player in the team at all, which is why the club are trying to sign one. I'm not really sure what Lighthouse is on about.

MF is a very obviously PL player, who plays a high intensity CM role and covers a lot of ground. The fact that Stu played in a slight more advanced role doesn’t negate the fact that Matty is a class act in this league.

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6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Archer had two half season loans in the Championship, scoring 7 and 11 goals respectively. As luck would have it, those 18 goals came in exactly the same number of appearances (40) as Adams made two years ago. Stewart scored 10 in 13 league games before his injury. I’m not expecting that now but he clearly knows how to score. Then there’s BBD, who’s averaged 18 goals a season in his last two full Championship campaigns.

 

So given that all three of those players have individually outscored Che Adams’ rate of 16 goals a season, I am willing to indulge the ‘delusion’ that they might be capable of five goals each this campaign to put them in the same ballpark, collectively.

All ifs, buts and maybes. Stewart can't be relied upon to stay fit, Archer looks like he never wanted to be here in the first place, and BBD's confidence is completely shot.

Adams got 16 goals in 23/24, but his overall contribution was much greater than just that. He played an excellent support role and was very good at bringing others into play, allowing Armstrong for instance (who has been woeful so far this season without that kind of support) to score many more.

If you offered me the chance to trade all three of them in for Adams as he was this time 2 years ago (as that's what we're comparing here), I would snap your hand off. 

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7 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

MF is a very obviously PL player, who plays a high intensity CM role and covers a lot of ground. The fact that Stu played in a slight more advanced role doesn’t negate the fact that Matty is a class act in this league.

And IF he is still here on 3rd September, I'll give you that one as he will be a big upgrade. Otherwise it's another pointless comparison.

Posted
3 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

And IF he is still here on 3rd September, I'll give you that one as he will be a big upgrade. Otherwise it's another pointless comparison.

You don’t seem to object to Tella being in that list and he played his third (and final) game for us on 19th August.

I stand by my opinion, KWP is the only player I envy from last time. The goals I mentioned are not ‘ifs buts and maybes’ they are literal, actual goals that our strikers have all managed over a sustained period. I’d also like to believe that 6ft 2 Stewart and 6ft 1 BBD might be capable of holding the ball up and bringing others into play.

Put it this way. If fans and/or Still think our current strikers aren’t good enough then Christ knows who you’re hoping to get instead.

Posted
Just now, trousers said:

ITK or hunch?

Very much hunch but we need midfield depth and he’s not getting near that Fulham midfield. Could be way off the mark. 

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1 minute ago, Appy said:

Very much hunch but we need midfield depth and he’s not getting near that Fulham midfield. Could be way off the mark. 

Defo the sort of tenacious player we need. Good call. Bring him home! 

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1 minute ago, Appy said:

Very much hunch but we need midfield depth and he’s not getting near that Fulham midfield. Could be way off the mark. 

Looks like a rare accurate Alan Nixon scoop - he claimed Smallbone to Wrexham, and Alfie House tweeted that he’s free to leave on a permanent. Wrexham not named but there has to be interest for him to share that. So could be Smallbone out and someone like Reed, who can handle himself better in a central two, in the Championship at least, in. 

Still only 30, 31 in January, thought he was older than that. 

As you say, only a hunch but I’d also name Aribo in the starting line up for Norwich midweek to force him and his agent to shit or get off the potty to free up further funds for a CM at starter quality. 

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2 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

As you say, only a hunch but I’d also name Aribo in the starting line up for Norwich midweek to force him and his agent to shit or get off the potty to free up further funds for a CM at starter quality. 

What? 

Posted
1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

What? 

Why not, Edozie as well. Say at the press conference that they need minutes if their moves don’t go ahead.

No intention of actually playing them, but you’ll find their moves will suddenly speed up as they won’t want to get injured in a nothing midweek cup tie and they and their agent smell a signing on fee.

 

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Just now, Gloucester Saint said:

Why not, Edozie as well. Say at the press conference that they need minutes if their moves don’t go ahead.

No intention of actually playing them, but you’ll find their moves will suddenly speed up as they won’t want to get injured in a nothing midweek cup tie and they and their agent smell a signing on fee.

If it concerned them that much they'd just refuse to play. Plus as the club wants them to go, it isn't in their interest for them to play and potentially get a long term injury that ends a chance of them leaving this window.

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5 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

If it concerned them that much they'd just refuse to play. Plus as the club wants them to go, it isn't in their interest for them to play and potentially get a long term injury that ends a chance of them leaving this window.

In which case, 2 weeks wages fined. 

Get on with it lads. If Smallbone does go to Wrexham - I know it’s Nixon but a lot of smoke has appeared today plus Alfie’s tweet - it might help us get another CM anyway but Aribo finally going wouldn’t half help as well. He’s not signing a new deal and it’s a World Cup year so he ain’t spending the season in the u23s. Best for all that he moves on asap.

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Not in the know, but I don't think there's some big conspiracy with Spertsyan, I believe he's just made the decision to stay there and sign a new contract this summer, rather than some unknown contract extension last summer. The Armenie football Twitter knows some things, but not everything, as Spertsyan has signed for us and the deal's been off about 8 different times this summer. The only stuff we've heard from Spertsyan himself was the on the pitch interview where he said "It's too early to talk about a departure. I will go to Krasnodar and talk to the president. We'll see what decision we make together." Sounded like he was open to staying and the talks with the president and the decision they've made together is a wage increase and a contract extension.

We got the agent quotes, and they seemed quite positive in our direction, but again the agent could have just been working in the media to make us sound like a good proposition, while negotiating a higher wage for his client.

Shame, as he did seem like a good player, despite never having heard of him before all this. Finn Azaz should be a good fall back option. (But, I did also think BBD was a good fall back option after Delap).

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Lighthouse said:

We have Fernandes instead of Stu, Dibling and Robinson instead of Tella and BBD, Stewart AND Archer instead of Adams. So no, I don’t envy them.

I genuinely don’t disagree with this.. I think overall the squad is stronger now

We can argue about Che, yes I agree on current viewing he is probably a better option but lets not pretend the negativity around him when he was here

Depth wise we’re MILES better

So yeah… of that side Id take KWP and thats largely it… perhaps Brooks too actually 

Posted
46 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

You don’t seem to object to Tella being in that list and he played his third (and final) game for us on 19th August.

It was you that made the direct comparison between Stu and Fernandes, not me.

Posted
49 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

The goals I mentioned are not ‘ifs buts and maybes’ they are literal, actual goals that our strikers have all managed over a sustained period. I’d also like to believe that 6ft 2 Stewart and 6ft 1 BBD might be capable of holding the ball up and bringing others into play.

They are stats of goals scored by those players at other clubs, in different environments and under different circumstances. Whether or not they will ever be able to translate them to Saints is very uncertain, but the evidence so far is not encouraging.

And your second sentence here is just absurd. You would like to believe that those players might be able to hold the ball up because of their height? Well Onuachu is even taller than both of them and was utterly useless at it. Give me a player who I know actually can do it (like Adams) over two who might be able to any day. 

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4 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

They are stats of goals scored by those players at other clubs, in different environments and under different circumstances. Whether or not they will ever be able to translate them to Saints is very uncertain, but the evidence so far is not encouraging.

And your second sentence here is just absurd. You would like to believe that those players might be able to hold the ball up because of their height? Well Onuachu is even taller than both of them and was utterly useless at it. Give me a player who I know actually can do it (like Adams) over two who might be able to any day. 

How we viewed Adams during the pre season was very much how we are viewing the current striker contingent 

Adams was literally a figure of fun and someone so many wanted out, and would have gone had Stewart not been a sick note I suspect 

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1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

How we viewed Adams during the pre season was very much how we are viewing the current striker contingent 

Adams was literally a figure of fun and someone so many wanted out, and would have gone had Stewart not been a sick note I suspect 

A figure of fun yet Adams has scored and assisted way more PL goals than our current 4 or 5 strikers combined. 

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Posted
Just now, Harry_SFC said:

A figure of fun yet Adams has scored and assisted way more PL goals than our current 4 or 5 strikers combined. 

That is true, but he was brewed just like the current striker contingent force.

Adams also played in a much better side in the premier league. 

Posted
6 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

They are stats of goals scored by those players at other clubs, in different environments and under different circumstances. Whether or not they will ever be able to translate them to Saints is very uncertain, but the evidence so far is not encouraging.

And your second sentence here is just absurd. You would like to believe that those players might be able to hold the ball up because of their height? Well Onuachu is even taller than both of them and was utterly useless at it. Give me a player who I know actually can do it (like Adams) over two who might be able to any day. 

Literally every player we’ve ever signed has been on the back of what they’ve done for other clubs. There’s no doubt what our current players are capable of, it’s Still’s job to get the best out of them and replicate something close to their best.

Onuachu couldn’t hold the ball up because he had breeze block feet and the coordination of a giraffe on crack. Our current strikers are far more refined and capable.

If Still was to say, at a press conference, "I can’t get any of these five strikers to replicate anything close to their previous scoring rates at other clubs and I can’t get any of them to hold the ball up and bring others into play either." I’d be seriously worried and would worry what the point in more signings would be. Thankfully he hasn’t and I’m hoping he’s got something better up his sleeve than what we’ve seen so far.

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6 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

A figure of fun yet Adams has scored and assisted way more PL goals than our current 4 or 5 strikers combined. 

Its quite hard to judge Stewart or Downs tbh… none of them have had enough gametime, for one reason or another, to make an informed judgement 

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8 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

That is true, but he was brewed just like the current striker contingent force. 

Che would be like a best bitter, nothing spectacular but solid pint.

Archer could be a tasty pale ale with some tweaks to the recipe. Stewart would be off on cask every time you went to your local pub. BBD would be returned to the landlord as the beer is off and Downs is at the first mash stage in the brewing process.

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Just now, Gloucester Saint said:

Che would be like a best bitter, nothing spectacular but solid pint.

Archer could be a tasty pale ale with some tweaks to the recipe. Stewart would be off on cask every time you went to your local pub. BBD would be returned to the landlord as the beer is off and Downs is at the first mash stage. 

LOL

viewed, obviously 

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Posted
7 minutes ago, trousers said:

7 days, 21 hours, 43 minutes, and 19 seconds until the window SLAMS shut... Tick tock...

Hi Trousers, anybody would think you are counting down, 

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Massive week ahead. Enough messing about, time for signings who hit the ground running.


Start with the keeper: Mathew Ryan on a free

Midfield Depth:  ( Sign One ) 

Brownhill / Romeu / Harrison Reed 

Number 10:  Finn Azaz 

Winger:  David Brooks ( Loan )

               Rak-Sakyi ( Loan ) 

               Hakim Ziyech ( ambitious )

Forward:  Mitrovic / Ings / Sargent 

Ings avaliable on a free,before the moaners pipe up, a way better natrual finisher compared to any of our strikers...... 

Knowing us we will get we tried to get players in but have decided to take a punt of some German 3rd division lad. 

 

 

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

Literally every player we’ve ever signed has been on the back of what they’ve done for other clubs. There’s no doubt what our current players are capable of, it’s Still’s job to get the best out of them and replicate something close to their best.

Onuachu couldn’t hold the ball up because he had breeze block feet and the coordination of a giraffe on crack. Our current strikers are far more refined and capable.

If Still was to say, at a press conference, "I can’t get any of these five strikers to replicate anything close to their previous scoring rates at other clubs and I can’t get any of them to hold the ball up and bring others into play either." I’d be seriously worried and would worry what the point in more signings would be. Thankfully he hasn’t and I’m hoping he’s got something better up his sleeve than what we’ve seen so far.

OK so the issue here, as I see it, is that you are basing your assessment on the potential of the current players to perform for us at this level, whereas I'm looking at what Adams actually did for us in 23/24 rather than what he had the potential to do at the start of that season (which was still uncertain at that point, but at least we had a couple of years of evidence of what he could do playing regularly in the PL). So my thinking is much more along the lines of a bird in the hand being worth two in the bush. 

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You'd think we'd start hearing things pretty soon, as in tomorrow, as there's multiple outgoings and incomings to get done.

I'm guessing we're waiting for Tyler's move to be finalised before actioning incomings. I think Azaz is likely, Rudoni and Spertsyan are complete no go's.

Busy week for Spors & Rasmus. 

Posted
18 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

Massive week ahead. Enough messing about, time for signings who hit the ground running.


Start with the keeper: Mathew Ryan on a free

Midfield Depth:  ( Sign One ) 

Brownhill / Romeu / Harrison Reed 

Number 10:  Finn Azaz 

Winger:  David Brooks ( Loan )

               Rak-Sakyi ( Loan ) 

               Hakim Ziyech ( ambitious )

Forward:  Mitrovic / Ings / Sargent 

Ings avaliable on a free,before the moaners pipe up, a way better natrual finisher compared to any of our strikers...... 

Knowing us we will get we tried to get players in but have decided to take a punt of some German 3rd division lad. 

 

 

 

 

Ziyech? 
 

Take a breath pal. 

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I'll bet anyone a £1 against pitch of shit we don't sign anyone over the age of 20, for more than £10m, or who will command an automatic starting place for the rest of the season. 

Just German or French youngsters to bring on, or not. 

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Posted
3 hours ago, vectraman said:

Hopefully one of the other interested teams sign him rather than us.  Unwanted by Palace, Sheffield United didn’t want to buy him after his loan spell, and quite frankly we already have Sam Edozie who has a similar record and would cost us nothing. No thanks. 
That would be an underwhelming signing with a capital U.

Agree.

We were heavily linked last summer and it seems that’s taken as we’re interested for evermore. 
Although I think Edozie will leave, the fact Sheff Utd don’t want him back tells its own story. 

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Azaz seems to be our last credible link really after Spertysan and Rudoni are said to have declined approaches.

If we don’t get Azaz then perhaps it’s on to the lesser known French and Bundesliga links. 

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38 minutes ago, ally_uk said:

Massive week ahead. Enough messing about, time for signings who hit the ground running.


Start with the keeper: Mathew Ryan on a free

Midfield Depth:  ( Sign One ) 

Brownhill / Romeu / Harrison Reed 

Number 10:  Finn Azaz 

Winger:  David Brooks ( Loan )

               Rak-Sakyi ( Loan ) 

               Hakim Ziyech ( ambitious )

Forward:  Mitrovic / Ings / Sargent 

Ings avaliable on a free,before the moaners pipe up, a way better natrual finisher compared to any of our strikers...... 

Knowing us we will get we tried to get players in but have decided to take a punt of some German 3rd division lad. 

 

 

 

 

Danny Ings has scored 2 goals in the last 2 years

We don’t need another crock of a striker, we already have Stewart

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Posted
Just now, Smirking_Saint said:

Danny Ings has scored 2 goals in the last 2 years

We don’t need another crock of a striker, we already have Stewart

Can’t see Brownhill going south to us or east to Ipswich either. Sheff Utd linked but a basket case and Wrexham apparently bulked at the signing on fee and seem to have switched focus to Will Smallbone instead with Saints ‘happy’ to let him go (House).

Has the hallmarks of a final day signing by Brum, although he won’t be competitively fit until late September. Everton have been crying out for signings but even they don’t think the signing on fee is worth it.

Appy’s hunch on Harrison Reed not a bad one, certainly need another CM who fits Still’s system as and when Smallbone and/or Aribo shift on.  

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