Fabrice29 Posted May 9 Posted May 9 I’m not even that arsed about Rohl necessarily but do feel the obvious stuff needs pointing out in his defence sometimes 🤣 1
OldNick Posted May 9 Posted May 9 53 minutes ago, Turkish said: We're more likely to get Richard Chorley than Alonso Havent heard or seen Rich for a while, I do hope he's ok
Holmes_and_Watson Posted May 9 Posted May 9 1 hour ago, Turkish said: We're more likely to get Richard Chorley than Alonso Has that coin throwing ban been lifted? 🙂
Holmes_and_Watson Posted May 9 Posted May 9 4 hours ago, Sunglasses Ron said: Do I win a prize, or a place in a Hall of Fame? 😅 For a small weekly contribution you can enter the Valhalla of SaintsWeb legends. If you're not falling for that, then it's the satisfaction of a post well done (I mean, you did it well, not because the flames cooked it). 🙂 1
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted May 9 Posted May 9 Not arsed about Rohl or with the obsession with trying to find the next genius young coach. If they're any good then they'll only get snapped up after a season or two. That would probably suit SR's business model of trying to make a huge profit from every appointment. Let's just go for someone with a bit of experience who can do a job in the championship. Cooper or Dyche would be fairly safe bets. If they want someone younger then I guess I'd go for Rosenior or Carsley but I doubt either would come.
Fabrice29 Posted May 9 Posted May 9 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd said: Not arsed about Rohl or with the obsession with trying to find the next genius young coach. If they're any good then they'll only get snapped up after a season or two. That would probably suit SR's business model of trying to make a huge profit from every appointment. Let's just go for someone with a bit of experience who can do a job in the championship. Cooper or Dyche would be fairly safe bets. If they want someone younger then I guess I'd go for Rosenior or Carsley but I doubt either would come. It’s beyond madness that people want us to settle for fairly safe bets and will actively say they are not arsed about potentially finding someone good 🤣 Also is a manager who has currently lost 2 out of 3 in Championship play offs really a ‘safe’ bet in your mind? Edited May 9 by Fabrice29 2
CB Fry Posted May 9 Posted May 9 28 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said: It’s beyond madness that people want us to settle for fairly safe bets and will actively say they are not arsed about potentially finding someone good 🤣 Also is a manager who has currently lost 2 out of 3 in Championship play offs really a ‘safe’ bet in your mind? The idea that we should recruit a manager safe in the knowledge that no other club would ever want to poach them is absolutely insane. Genuinely I want the opposite. If our next manager is subsequently wanted by big clubs then great. I reckon that will mean we're promoted. 6
The Kraken Posted May 9 Posted May 9 1 hour ago, CB Fry said: The idea that we should recruit a manager safe in the knowledge that no other club would ever want to poach them is absolutely insane. Genuinely I want the opposite. If our next manager is subsequently wanted by big clubs then great. I reckon that will mean we're promoted. It’s akin to bemoaning the fact the we target players like VVD, Mane etc and they want to leave after a season or two because bigger clubs come in for them. ‘It’s unstable’. Much rather have a season or two of a player well on the up than someone average who will see out his contract. 5
Tommy Mulgrew Posted May 9 Posted May 9 I hear that Ancelotti is available: Davide Ancelotti. We could do worse; and probably shall.
pimpin4rizeal Posted May 9 Posted May 9 11 hours ago, Dusic said: The whole point is that Sheff Weds are not well managed. He has created a steady team with little investment under an absolutely basket case ownership. Aa always, context is key. He has obviously had a massive falling out there aince our approach and their downturn has basically coincided with that. Like Cortese with Pochettino, Saints with RM etc sometimes recent results or league position aren't the way to judge because if Rohl were to come here then he would have far better players to work with. I am sure that factors such as his development of Shea Charles, experience of working in a RB style etc would be of greater value to Spors as a mechanism of assessing his fit. 9 hours ago, miserableoldgit said: Sheff Wed are not a well managed club at the top....... What I meant was a decent manager like rohl in this case getting a tune out a lower table championship team.ijust don’t think it’s such a huge feat.. a poor squad in the championship isn’t as much of a gulf as say us in the premiership .. We have just seen Luton and Ipswich get promoted neither with super squads.. even Pompey are only 4 points behind sheff Wednesday 1
Convict Colony Posted May 10 Posted May 10 Honesly this period until we hand back our premier league status is like a phoney war. Managers giving interviews to raise their profiles, managers getting sacked etc etc 2
DT Posted May 10 Posted May 10 Frank Lampard not out of the picture yet, then. Think we’re waiting for playoffs results? 1
pimpin4rizeal Posted May 10 Posted May 10 6 minutes ago, DT said: Frank Lampard not out of the picture yet, then. Think we’re waiting for playoffs results? He’s been my number one choice since the thread started .. 17-to 5th now since taking over Coventry .. isn’t a one hit wonder as also did it at derby .he’s a huge name the players will have the utmost respect for yet his premiership stints at Chelsea and Everton will also stop the vultures circling if he had success with us,which I think is important. We don’t wanna start to turn things around only to get more upheaval ..
CB Fry Posted May 10 Posted May 10 12 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said: isn’t a one hit wonder as also did it at derby Nothing like what he did at Derby. There he took at team that had finished 6th before and then finished 6th again. Like Burley with us, he has the resources in fees/wages and some very strong loan players that he should have done better than that. That season was Derby's last big shot at promotion pumped up by money from Mel Morris. Coventry he has done well but could all be an Iain Dowie situation, and it isn't his team, it's a team that Mark Robins had over-performing for a few seasons. Apart from Gerrard or Rooney I can't think of a worse "celebrity" appointment. 3
ally_uk Posted May 10 Posted May 10 I'd give Lampard a go could get a few Chelsea young lads here on loan
Jaime Posted May 10 Posted May 10 48 minutes ago, DT said: Frank Lampard not out of the picture yet, then. Think we’re waiting for playoffs results? Lampard is not my number one, but I feel he is someone who could be sold on Saints if Coventry do not go up. My preference is for Michael Carrick or Will Still... then Lampard, Danny Rohl & Steve Cooper. Just a shame Saints did not appoint Xabi Alonso as I wanted him to replace Pellegrino in Jan 2018. If only people would listen... 1
revolution saint Posted May 10 Posted May 10 35 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said: He’s been my number one choice since the thread started .. 17-to 5th now since taking over Coventry .. isn’t a one hit wonder as also did it at derby .he’s a huge name the players will have the utmost respect for yet his premiership stints at Chelsea and Everton will also stop the vultures circling if he had success with us,which I think is important. We don’t wanna start to turn things around only to get more upheaval .. Can’t claim to be an expert on how Lampard has done at Coventry but I watched the game last night. Coventry had way more possession, didn’t really create many chances and still lost through a stupid mistake. Sound familiar? 6 1
gio1saints Posted May 10 Posted May 10 (edited) I’ve just realised. Once upon a time if you needed a new Manager you’d go and see who is the best most suitable you can attract/afford. You’d look at their results and have a chat see if they are alright. Get a reference or two. Today, the single biggest influencing factor in recruiting a new manager will probably be the new guys Social Media team. If he has invested wisely they will make him sound like the most in demand revered respected and “ must-have” manager around. Sound bites edited clips all the usual stuff. His football results are not what gets him the interview. His PR team are. And if he talks the right way and or has a big online following or player history in particular his past manager experience is irrelevant. Neville and Rooney are two recent examples but I’m getting a sense one or two of those being strongly connected with us have had major social media “ fluffing” - Rohl is one and we already recruited another before RM -arguably another - in the ill fated Nathan jones “one of the best coaches in Europe”. Edited May 10 by gio1saints
CB Fry Posted May 10 Posted May 10 53 minutes ago, gio1saints said: I’ve just realised. Once upon a time if you needed a new Manager you’d go and see who is the best most suitable you can attract/afford. You’d look at their results and have a chat see if they are alright. Get a reference or two. Today, the single biggest influencing factor in recruiting a new manager will probably be the new guys Social Media team. If he has invested wisely they will make him sound like the most in demand revered respected and “ must-have” manager around. Sound bites edited clips all the usual stuff. His football results are not what gets him the interview. His PR team are. And if he talks the right way and or has a big online following or player history in particular his past manager experience is irrelevant. Neville and Rooney are two recent examples but I’m getting a sense one or two of those being strongly connected with us have had major social media “ fluffing” - Rohl is one and we already recruited another before RM -arguably another - in the ill fated Nathan jones “one of the best coaches in Europe”. If you think we recruited Nathan Jones because of his social media profile then you're even more thick than I already thought you were. 4
Matthew Le God Posted May 10 Posted May 10 54 minutes ago, gio1saints said: I’ve just realised. Once upon a time if you needed a new Manager you’d go and see who is the best most suitable you can attract/afford. You’d look at their results and have a chat see if they are alright. Get a reference or two. Today, the single biggest influencing factor in recruiting a new manager will probably be the new guys Social Media team. If he has invested wisely they will make him sound like the most in demand revered respected and “ must-have” manager around. Sound bites edited clips all the usual stuff. His football results are not what gets him the interview. His PR team are. And if he talks the right way and or has a big online following or player history in particular his past manager experience is irrelevant. Neville and Rooney are two recent examples but I’m getting a sense one or two of those being strongly connected with us have had major social media “ fluffing” - Rohl is one and we already recruited another before RM -arguably another - in the ill fated Nathan jones “one of the best coaches in Europe”. You think Ivan Juric and Nathan Jones were appointed due to their media work? 1
manji Posted May 10 Posted May 10 17 hours ago, OldNick said: Havent heard or seen Rich for a while, I do hope he's ok He’s good
Weston Super Saint Posted May 10 Posted May 10 1 hour ago, gio1saints said: I’ve just realised. Once upon a time if you needed a new Manager you’d go and see who is the best most suitable you can attract/afford. You’d look at their results and have a chat see if they are alright. Get a reference or two. Today, the single biggest influencing factor in recruiting a new manager will probably be the new guys Social Media team. If he has invested wisely they will make him sound like the most in demand revered respected and “ must-have” manager around. Sound bites edited clips all the usual stuff. His football results are not what gets him the interview. His PR team are. And if he talks the right way and or has a big online following or player history in particular his past manager experience is irrelevant. Neville and Rooney are two recent examples but I’m getting a sense one or two of those being strongly connected with us have had major social media “ fluffing” - Rohl is one and we already recruited another before RM -arguably another - in the ill fated Nathan jones “one of the best coaches in Europe”. Absolute lunacy of a theory. Multimillion pound football teams being dictated by someone's fucking cat videos on Facebook 🤦♂️ 2 1
S-Clarke Posted May 10 Posted May 10 1 hour ago, gio1saints said: I’ve just realised. Once upon a time if you needed a new Manager you’d go and see who is the best most suitable you can attract/afford. You’d look at their results and have a chat see if they are alright. Get a reference or two. Today, the single biggest influencing factor in recruiting a new manager will probably be the new guys Social Media team. If he has invested wisely they will make him sound like the most in demand revered respected and “ must-have” manager around. Sound bites edited clips all the usual stuff. His football results are not what gets him the interview. His PR team are. And if he talks the right way and or has a big online following or player history in particular his past manager experience is irrelevant. Neville and Rooney are two recent examples but I’m getting a sense one or two of those being strongly connected with us have had major social media “ fluffing” - Rohl is one and we already recruited another before RM -arguably another - in the ill fated Nathan jones “one of the best coaches in Europe”. That really isn't how it works in any way what so ever. 3
gio1saints Posted May 10 Posted May 10 I did expect some reaction but I deliberately made it a bit outre in order to make the point. Social Meda is much much more important in manager recruitment than ever before. We’ve had players agents send vids out for years now so it’s a catch up exercise with the managers. It used to be cool if the manager could do a PowerPoint - now that’s old hat. Oh, and MLG - Ivan Juric I don’t know but NJ? All I heard before recruitment was his fabulous fabulous stats. Whoever was selling him did a great job..
S-Clarke Posted May 10 Posted May 10 2 minutes ago, gio1saints said: I did expect some reaction but I deliberately made it a bit outre in order to make the point. Social Meda is much much more important in manager recruitment than ever before. We’ve had players agents send vids out for years now so it’s a catch up exercise with the managers. It used to be cool if the manager could do a PowerPoint - now that’s old hat. Oh, and MLG - Ivan Juric I don’t know but NJ? All I heard before recruitment was his fabulous fabulous stats. Whoever was selling him did a great job.. Nathan Jones and his fabulous stats bounced about because it came out of his mouth, in an interview, whilst he was at Luton. It ended up on social media because he said it out of his own mouth in front of TV cameras, and people picked it up. But you could still hear it without needing social media as it went all over SSN. I feel like you're maybe getting agents confused with social media, as the agent drops behind the scenes (and into the mainstream media) do happen...but basing an appointment on facebook or twitter posts isn't how it's done. 1
Weston Super Saint Posted May 10 Posted May 10 5 minutes ago, gio1saints said: Oh, and MLG - Ivan Juric I don’t know but NJ? All I heard before recruitment was his fabulous fabulous stats. Whoever was selling him did a great job.. Which is the only possible explanation for why he turned down our initial approach. 1
gio1saints Posted May 10 Posted May 10 Just now, S-Clarke said: Nathan Jones and his fabulous stats bounced about because it came out of his mouth, in an interview, whilst he was at Luton. It ended up on social media because he said it out of his own mouth in front of TV cameras, and people picked it up. But you could still hear it without needing social media as it went all over SSN. I feel like you're maybe getting agents confused with social media, as the agent drops behind the scenes (and into the mainstream media) do happen...but basing an appointment on facebook or twitter posts isn't how it's done. 😂Yes ok I understand. But I still reckon if Beyoncé applied for the job with her 312 Million followers SR would probably give her the gig! 😇
Weston Super Saint Posted May 10 Posted May 10 3 minutes ago, gio1saints said: 😂Yes ok I understand. But I still reckon if Beyoncé applied for the job with her 312 Million followers SR would probably give her the gig! 😇 Don't take drugs kids. 3
gio1saints Posted May 10 Posted May 10 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said: Don't take drugs kids. You don’t think Beyoncé would take the job? 😇. Tyler Swift may be a better option in which case. I can’t make up my mind. ps it’s a few hours before our get beaten by Man City occasion so I’m trying to put a smile on my face ahead of the grimaces from 3.00pm..😇 btw Saints are missing a trick not getting Mr. Line-Acre in the house. Edited May 10 by gio1saints
Midfield_General Posted May 10 Posted May 10 18 minutes ago, gio1saints said: I did expect some reaction but I deliberately made it a bit outre in order to make the point. Did you deliberately make it completely wrong to make the point? If so - point well made.
Holmes_and_Watson Posted May 10 Posted May 10 37 minutes ago, gio1saints said: I did expect some reaction but I deliberately made it a bit outre in order to make the point. Social Meda is much much more important in manager recruitment than ever before. We’ve had players agents send vids out for years now so it’s a catch up exercise with the managers. It used to be cool if the manager could do a PowerPoint - now that’s old hat. Oh, and MLG - Ivan Juric I don’t know but NJ? All I heard before recruitment was his fabulous fabulous stats. Whoever was selling him did a great job.. I did read your first post in the OTT/exaggerated tone I think you were going for, Gio. My response was going to be "you forgot stubble, pullovers and a "philosophy". And I only added the last one to explain Nathan. But then I saw the responses, and instead reached for my trusty pitchfork. 🙂 1
The Kraken Posted May 10 Posted May 10 7 minutes ago, SaintLondon said: I have a suspicion we're after Lampard. Excellent. Looking forward to being called Frank Lampard’s Southampton. We haven’t had a good name like that since we were called South Coast Team.
Holmes_and_Watson Posted May 10 Posted May 10 12 minutes ago, The Kraken said: Excellent. Looking forward to being called Frank Lampard’s Southampton. We haven’t had a good name like that since we were called South Coast Team. I guess if we're not going to be Wayne Rooney's Southampton, to maximise our Wrexham playing soccerball profile, it's the next best thing. 🙂
gio1saints Posted May 10 Posted May 10 26 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: I did read your first post in the OTT/exaggerated tone I think you were going for, Gio. My response was going to be "you forgot stubble, pullovers and a "philosophy". And I only added the last one to explain Nathan. But then I saw the responses, and instead reached for my trusty pitchfork. 🙂 @Holmes_and_Watson I think you must be one of the genuinely nicest posters on here. And your views are pretty much spot on and often very incisive. You’re not an empty pot basically. My views, on the other hand , are sometimes whimsy sometimes serious, sometimes insightful sometimes way off the mark but always ultimately loyal to Saints. You, rightly, do not get much flak . I on the other hand, due to my sometimes provocative style and support for the right to have minority views on many Saints topics ( I have an instinctive reaction to bandwagons and scapegoating) do get incoming. Keep up your good input please. The rest of you- keep up the good input also please . Cannot make progress without it.. 😁 2 1
Willo of Whiteley Posted May 10 Posted May 10 Coventry were organised last night, but again, all possession and not enough created. It would be nice to have a Leeds type mentality, fast breakaway at pace, drive at defenders, don’t turn back to your defenders etc. Be direct and aggressive. 2
Tommy Mulgrew Posted May 10 Posted May 10 Dave Challinor; either got promotion or play-offs every year since 2010-11 except 2019-20. Knowing SR, though, we won’t get anybody as successful as that. Yes, I do know he manages Stockport; it’s not a serious suggestion.
pimpin4rizeal Posted May 10 Posted May 10 Told yall rusk at least organises a defense . It’s a refreshing change this season that someone actually manages to identify that problem . Always best to make sure your house is safe before you go out trying to party
Lighthouse Posted May 10 Posted May 10 26 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said: Told yall rusk at least organises a defense . It’s a refreshing change this season that someone actually manages to identify that problem . Always best to make sure your house is safe before you go out trying to party How well did he organise a defence against a team which hadn’t scored at home since Christmas? 2 1
Holmes_and_Watson Posted May 10 Posted May 10 5 hours ago, gio1saints said: @Holmes_and_Watson I think you must be one of the genuinely nicest posters on here. And your views are pretty much spot on and often very incisive. You’re not an empty pot basically. My views, on the other hand , are sometimes whimsy sometimes serious, sometimes insightful sometimes way off the mark but always ultimately loyal to Saints. You, rightly, do not get much flak . I on the other hand, due to my sometimes provocative style and support for the right to have minority views on many Saints topics ( I have an instinctive reaction to bandwagons and scapegoating) do get incoming. Keep up your good input please. The rest of you- keep up the good input also please . Cannot make progress without it.. 😁 Thanks very much!
Matthew Le God Posted May 10 Posted May 10 (edited) 5 hours ago, gio1saints said: @Holmes_and_Watson I think you must be one of the genuinely nicest posters on here. Hardly! He is abusive and breaks forum rules constantly. I have no issue with him discussing something he doesn’t agree with, but the manner he does it certainly isn't 'nice'! Edited May 10 by Matthew Le God
trousers Posted May 10 Posted May 10 5 hours ago, gio1saints said: @Holmes_and_Watson I think you must be one of the genuinely nicest posters on here. And your views are pretty much spot on and often very incisive. You’re not an empty pot basically. My views, on the other hand , are sometimes whimsy sometimes serious, sometimes insightful sometimes way off the mark but always ultimately loyal to Saints. You, rightly, do not get much flak . I on the other hand, due to my sometimes provocative style and support for the right to have minority views on many Saints topics ( I have an instinctive reaction to bandwagons and scapegoating) do get incoming. Keep up your good input please. The rest of you- keep up the good input also please . Cannot make progress without it.. 😁 10 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: Thanks very much! Good to see the 'When you've got two accounts, leave at least 4 hours between posts when you reply to yourself' rule being implemented here. Take a bow sir! 2
Holmes_and_Watson Posted May 10 Posted May 10 14 minutes ago, trousers said: Good to see the 'When you've got two accounts, leave at least 4 hours between posts when you reply to yourself' rule being implemented here. Take a bow sir! But don't leave it to the same length of time to get in a dismissive post to muddy the trail, before others catch on. A third alt+id and 15 mins should do it. 🙂 1
Holmes_and_Watson Posted May 10 Posted May 10 26 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said: Hardly! He is abusive and breaks forum rules constantly. I have no issue with him discussing something he doesn’t agree with, but the manner he does it certainly isn't 'nice'! Thanks for taking time out from having to explain jokes to people, to share your thoughts. 🤗 2
Fabrice29 Posted May 10 Posted May 10 9 hours ago, gio1saints said: I did expect some reaction but I deliberately made it a bit outre in order to make the point. Social Meda is much much more important in manager recruitment than ever before. We’ve had players agents send vids out for years now so it’s a catch up exercise with the managers. It used to be cool if the manager could do a PowerPoint - now that’s old hat. Oh, and MLG - Ivan Juric I don’t know but NJ? All I heard before recruitment was his fabulous fabulous stats. Whoever was selling him did a great job.. I think it's much more likely that someone is feeding unrealistic links to the media to make it more of a coup when they themselves appoint someone. Could be wrong but Rohl walking in when linked to the Bundesliga and PL would look a lot nicer...
Dusic Posted May 10 Posted May 10 22 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said: I think it's much more likely that someone is feeding unrealistic links to the media to make it more of a coup when they themselves appoint someone. Could be wrong but Rohl walking in when linked to the Bundesliga and PL would look a lot nicer... You think people at Saints (or another club) are actively planting stories in the media linking Rohl with different clubs so that if/when we appoint him people are happier about it? Well, its a theory. An absolutely ludicrous one that is certainly very unlikely but fair enough! (Also think most would be happy with Rohl regardless of other links anyway!)
Fabrice29 Posted May 10 Posted May 10 2 minutes ago, Dusic said: You think people at Saints (or another club) are actively planting stories in the media linking Rohl with different clubs so that if/when we appoint him people are happier about it? Well, its a theory. An absolutely ludicrous one that is certainly very unlikely but fair enough! (Also think most would be happy with Rohl regardless of other links anyway!) Not really, no. But, I think it's more likely than managers being appointed by social media 1
Whitey Grandad Posted May 10 Posted May 10 3 hours ago, pimpin4rizeal said: Told yall rusk at least organises a defense . It’s a refreshing change this season that someone actually manages to identify that problem . Always best to make sure your house is safe before you go out trying to party That defence wasn’t organised. Several times two players went for the same ball or got in each other’s way. It got lucky today but that’s all we needed.
E_H_Saints Posted May 10 Posted May 10 2 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said: That defence wasn’t organised. Several times two players went for the same ball or got in each other’s way. It got lucky today but that’s all we needed. I disagree, yes there were moments of miscommunication but that is always going to happen especially when needed to act on reactions. You could tell how trained they were to hold tight rather rather than disperse. Each time Saints had almost everyone on their side, someone had to take a yellow in order to slow them down and stop the threat from the counter attack. Clearly the danger were the crosses so they double teamed which caused them to pass it out front which led to nothing( surprising how few attempts they had from distance). Pep and Dias complain that we didn't try to play but we don't have the team to play. If we come out, we lose our shape which is exactly what they want and need most teams to do. So as I said, miss-communicate at times yes, organised yes but got a well deserved point. 6
Matthew Le God Posted May 10 Posted May 10 4 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said: Thanks for taking time out from having to explain jokes to people, to share your thoughts. 🤗 Do you need this one explained to you?
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