Lallana role.

[VectisSaint]

3 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

https://www.southamptonfc.com/en/news/article/new-additions-boost-stills-coaching-team

Bit harsh on Rusk maybe but Still needs to be able to shape his own team. Onwards and upwards.

My thoughts too, after all he was given the 1st team role because of his success with the u21s. Perhaps it was what he wanted rather than stepping back. 

[EBS1980]

Rusk appears to be the victim of our lack of success last year. Moved up from u21’s but then his job there was filled by someone else.

i wasn’t surprised to see by helping us out has effectively done himself out of a job 

[gio1saints]

We’ve had a mere handful of Class midfield players in last thirty years and Adam was one of them. 

If you are talking about skills from midfield he was better than Tadic and JWP should be delighted to clean his boots and as for erm Will Smallbone and Flynn Downes ahem…I’m not sure in last thirty -forty we’ve had better - other than MLT of course.
Worth looking up. I Count Walcott, Mane and Bale as playing different positions for a start and surely you cannot argue Schneiderlin or Houjberg are anywhere near..

Point is he’s the closest to excellence and an actual WINNER we’ve had in decades so I’m glad he’s staying - regardless of wether some of youse are still funny about why he fucked off to earn more money and win the premiership and the champions league play Workd Cup and become England best international player if 2016 etc.  

He is A proven Winner. A Champion. And he is at SFC. Coaching the players. GOOD! 

[S-Clarke]

6 hours ago, VectisSaint said:

My thoughts too, after all he was given the 1st team role because of his success with the u21s. Perhaps it was what he wanted rather than stepping back. 

It's a difficult one for Rusk really, I think anyone stepping in last season was on a hiding to nothing. Their rep was always going to go through the floor on the back of it.

He did get quite snipey towards the press at times, I think the pressure got to him a bit. Definitely the right time to part, not sure what he'd have added with the baggage of last year. We need as little of that around as we can get.

[S-Clarke]

8 hours ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Just shows how those responsible for the media at SFC and the CEO are totally out of their depth. 

I thought he was a dick in the way he left, I think everyone does really.

But your vendetta against him feels very personal at this point. I just say - let it go, move on? It's a very, very large chip on your shoulder to be walking around with otherwise.

[Gloucester Saint]

15 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I thought he was a dick in the way he left, I think everyone does really.

But your vendetta against him feels very personal at this point. I just say - let it go, move on? It's a very, very large chip on your shoulder to be walking around with otherwise.

He was a dick in 2014, but it was 11 years ago as well. He’s highly regarded as a coach in the game, let’s hope Still benefits from that and together with Paul Trollope they turn the club around. As you say, time to move forwards and we need all of the management team to be at their best as it’s a long time since we improved players.

Edited Wednesday at 19:12 by Gloucester Saint

[Holmes_and_Watson]

12 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

Definitely the right time to part, not sure what he'd have added with the baggage of last year. We need as little of that around as we can get.

I'm not close enough to it, to determine the responsibilities and autonomy each of the coaches has.

I saw your post just as I was going to ask, on the basis of last season, what if anything, Lallana brought to the squad. Unless we could somehow have been worse, it was nothing that made it's way onto the pitch (much like Lallana the player). If Rusk gets the chop, why not Lallana and Martin?

15 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I thought he was a dick in the way he left, I think everyone does really.

But your vendetta against him feels very personal at this point. I just say - let it go, move on? It's a very, very large chip on your shoulder to be walking around with otherwise.

One day, I will look Lallana in the eyes. And when faced with his Saints past...we will eat ice cream. I have a Vienetta against him. 🙂

[Badger]

7 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

He was a dick in 2014, but it was 11 years ago as well. He’s highly regarded as a coach in the game, let’s hope Still benefits from that and together with Paul Trollope they turn the club around. As you say, time to move forwards and we need all of the management team to be at their best as it’s a long time since we improved players.

Is he highly regarded as a coach, or are we just happy telling ourselves that he is ? 

But like Lallana or not, it would come as no surprise if he becomes caretaker manager at some point especially  if we get off to a slow or faltering start. 

Edited Wednesday at 19:17 by Badger

[S-Clarke]

4 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

I saw your post just as I was going to ask, on the basis of last season, what if anything, Lallana brought to the squad. Unless we could somehow have been worse, it was nothing that made it's way onto the pitch (much like Lallana the player). If Rusk gets the chop, why not Lallana and Martin?

They are very valid points, I guess Rusk took the fall as he was the 'focal point' towards the end of the season - much the same way as Juric and Russell (obviously much more reason to dump Russell). I think Carl Martin seems highly regarded, but like you say it's hard to see that translated - but how much was it allowed to be translated last year? It was a pretty toxic setup for anyone, and I'm not sure any coach in world football would have come out smelling of roses.

Edited Wednesday at 19:18 by S-Clarke

[Gloucester Saint]

2 minutes ago, Badger said:

Is he highly regarded as a coach, or are we just happy telling ourselves that he is ? 

But like Lallana or not, it would come as no surprise if he becomes caretaker manager at some point especially  if we get off to a slow or faltering start. 

I’m going on Klopp’s comments and Brighton’s feedback, they considered him for manager after De Zerbi left.

[Pamplemousse]

Having someone like Lallana will be invaluable - the players respect him (in the same way they did Martin). But he doesn't have to make any major decisions so he can be their mate effectively, which is fine by me.

And for Still, his one weakness is that he has never played the game at a very high level. Lallana helps to fill that void.

All in all, it's win-win for Lallana and for us.

[S-Clarke]

2 minutes ago, Pamplemousse said:

Having someone like Lallana will be invaluable - the players respect him (in the same way they did Martin). But he doesn't have to make any major decisions so he can be their mate effectively, which is fine by me.

And for Still, his one weakness is that he has never played the game at a very high level. Lallana helps to fill that void.

All in all, it's win-win for Lallana and for us.

Good mix if you look at it on paper. Lallana with high level playing experience, knows the lower leagues too. Trollope with lots of experience in the lower leagues, Championship, L1 etc. Knows his way around the EFL.

Then Still with more of a continental experience background to bring to the table. If it all meshes together it could be quite fruitful, as we have a bit of everything in the setup.

Edited Wednesday at 19:23 by S-Clarke

[Holmes_and_Watson]

4 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

They are very valid points, I guess Rusk took the fall as he was the 'focal point' towards the end of the season - much the same way as Juric and Russell (obviously much more reason to dump Russell). I think Carl Martin seems highly regarded, but like you say it's hard to see that translated - but how much was it allowed to be translated last year? It was a pretty toxic setup for anyone, and I'm not sure any coach in world football would have come out smelling of roses.

For all I know Lallana cut a frustrated figure, failing to get any of his ideas implemented and trying to motivate a doomed SR squad. He could have a lot of good ideas, and find a connection to Still and Trollope. I hope so.

I think he's still going through coaching badges, so it's a good role to get, with his playing career playing it's part in getting the post.

[sledger]

For me lallana still leaves a bad smell about the place,isnt his son still about the place,maybe saints think he will be decent player and thats part of the thinking.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I was annoyed as anyone at the circumstances of his departure to Liverpool and it's irksome the likes of Blackmore paint him out to be some sort of Mesiah without referring to his crassness at the time; but if he really is a good coach and we benefit from his presence at SMS then the past is best stashed away for the greater good.

[Gloucester Saint]

22 minutes ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

I was annoyed as anyone at the circumstances of his departure to Liverpool and it's irksome the likes of Blackmore paint him out to be some sort of Mesiah without referring to his crassness at the time; but if he really is a good coach and we benefit from his presence at SMS then the past is best stashed away for the greater good.

 

[Dusic]

Pretty much everyone in football, whether fellow players or managers he has played under absolute rave about him and his influence and leadership.

Thats from people like Rickie Lambert, Jose Fonte, Danny Welbeck, James Milner, Andrew Robertson, Steven Gerrard, Levi Colwill, Matty Fernandes, Tyler Dibling, Mauricio Pochettino, Jurgen Klopp, Graham Potter, Roberto de Zerbi.

Thats enough for me to think he is certainly worth having around versus being bothered about a Daily Echo advert over 10 years ago.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

2 minutes ago, Dusic said:

Pretty much everyone in football, whether fellow players or managers he has played under absolute rave about him and his influence and leadership.

Thats from people like Rickie Lambert, Jose Fonte, Danny Welbeck, James Milner, Andrew Robertson, Steven Gerrard, Levi Colwill, Matty Fernandes, Tyler Dibling, Mauricio Pochettino, Jurgen Klopp, Graham Potter, Roberto de Zerbi.

Thats enough for me to think he is certainly worth having around versus being bothered about a Daily Echo advert over 10 years ago.

"He uses all his midfield grace, when putting out those cones," said Milner. "Our bibs are folded just the way you'd expect to see at a Champions League club," added Fernandes. Others see a career path ahead of them. "Adam is always pointing out thing that Liverpool do better," said Tyler Dibling. "And he waves a contract in front of me, so I can see Liverpool for myself, any time I like." 🙂

[Verbal]

13 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

One day, I will look Lallana in the eyes. And when faced with his Saints past...we will eat ice cream. I have a Vienetta against him. 🙂

You'll need a Magnum for that

[gio1saints]

Saints got £25m for Adam in 2014. 

Compare that to popular top players like KWP who have seen out their contract and we get £fiddly squat. I suppose IF KWP had said I want a move 12 months ago - and we found out he’d been eye fluttering a team for quite a while but got £15m -£20m say for him he, too, would be regarded in a bad light. Not one ball he kicked one shot or tackle or even goal or dribble he ever made on the pitch for Saints would count for anything versus the impression he had dumped us for a better model  he’d been chatting up behind our back - and forget that SFC actually made some money on it.

The notion that how good your PR machine is will determine how supporters perceive you is now set in stone. What the guy does on the pitch relegated to nerd territory. Adam did great for us on the pitch, 283 times, greater than most players saints have ever had, certainly top twenty maybe even top ten. 
 

He IS one of the earliest prototypes of  “if you do well at Saints you can get a move to a big club and win cups and medals” . It’s a model we still subscribe to today, obviously. And one that he is well placed to elucidate upon to our young players coming through today. 

[Tommy Mulgrew]

The thing that rankles, in many people’s opinion, is not that he left us for Liverpool but the manner of his departure.  So the transfer fee and his on-field performance are irrelevant.  He might well turn out to be an excellent coach for us and for others, although I did not see much evidence of that last season, but we have every right, IMO, to criticise his attitude and actions just before and just after he left us.

[SaintsLoyal]

6 hours ago, Fitzhugh Fella said:

I was annoyed as anyone at the circumstances of his departure to Liverpool and it's irksome the likes of Blackmore paint him out to be some sort of Mesiah without referring to his crassness at the time; but if he really is a good coach and we benefit from his presence at SMS then the past is best stashed away for the greater good.

 

What about the Cortese stuff and Sun newspaper frontpage ?

In that period the buffon Cortese was doing all he could to damage the club before his departure.

It stinks big time and fans should be asking questions.

 

We dont owe Lallana anything, why didnt he get a job at bournemouth ? Hes wasnt welcome at dean court after shafting them for sell on fee money back then. But new owners and he take his 'son' LOL with him. 

 

 

 

[Badger]

18 hours ago, Pamplemousse said:

Having someone like Lallana will be invaluable - the players respect him (in the same way they did Martin). But he doesn't have to make any major decisions so he can be their mate effectively, which is fine by me.

And for Still, his one weakness is that he has never played the game at a very high level. Lallana helps to fill that void.

All in all, it's win-win for Lallana and for us.

Might be a source of conflict as much as a void.

18 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

Good mix if you look at it on paper. Lallana with high level playing experience, knows the lower leagues too. Trollope with lots of experience in the lower leagues, Championship, L1 etc. Knows his way around the EFL.

Then Still with more of a continental experience background to bring to the table. If it all meshes together it could be quite fruitful, as we have a bit of everything in the setup.

Agree that in theory their backgrounds and experiences look to complement each other well.  
 

Spors might have played a blinder here, and done some fantastic work in matching their profiles. You just have to hope they can gel and work together. As a young manager you’d have expected Still to want more familiar people around him. 

[Badger]

29 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

 

What about the Cortese stuff and Sun newspaper frontpage ?

In that period the buffon Cortese was doing all he could to damage the club before his departure.

It stinks big time and fans should be asking questions.

 

We dont owe Lallana anything, why didnt he get a job at bournemouth ? Hes wasnt welcome at dean court after shafting them for sell on fee money back then. But new owners and he take his 'son' LOL with him. 

 

 

 

Remind me, what was the Cortese stuff at the time, and how is he connected with this ? 

[coalman]

I think any coach from last season has to have question marks over them. Lallana included (and that's before his playing performances which were shocking - he certainly didn't showcase any leadership out on the pitch). Hearing that someone is a leader that brings experience is great but I really want to hear how he's a great coach who can improve players. I haven't heard the latter. And for the former I'd like to know how that leadership manifested itself. 

I would have hoped that anyone in any coaching position last season would have, at some point, started shouting that what we were doing was insane. The suicide high risk no reward football of Martin and then the midfield-less "heavy metal" football of Juric and the ambition free dirge of Rusk. All of those needed someone to put their hand up and say "hang on guys, this is fucking mental". Lallana is part of that.

I sincerely hope that he works well under Still and brings something to the team because I don't think you can argue that we got out money's worth out of him last season.

[Dusic]

14 minutes ago, coalman said:

I think any coach from last season has to have question marks over them. Lallana included (and that's before his playing performances which were shocking - he certainly didn't showcase any leadership out on the pitch). Hearing that someone is a leader that brings experience is great but I really want to hear how he's a great coach who can improve players. I haven't heard the latter. And for the former I'd like to know how that leadership manifested itself. 

I would have hoped that anyone in any coaching position last season would have, at some point, started shouting that what we were doing was insane. The suicide high risk no reward football of Martin and then the midfield-less "heavy metal" football of Juric and the ambition free dirge of Rusk. All of those needed someone to put their hand up and say "hang on guys, this is fucking mental". Lallana is part of that.

I sincerely hope that he works well under Still and brings something to the team because I don't think you can argue that we got out money's worth out of him last season.

This is largely ludicrous. He was a supporting coach for a spell at the end of a carnage season. Zero of that should be placed on him.

As for performances, it depends what your expectations were. I recall that most of the time he was on the pitch, especially near the start of the season he was pretty good. His pass to Dibling was probably the best moment of the season. But its pretty inconsequential now.

In our Lg Cup game at Goodison he played the first 45mins and as there wasnt much of a crowd you could clearly hear him directing the play on the pitch - in a way that is fairly unusual I thought at the time.

Pretty sure he will have a positive impact and most importantly sure that Will Still wants him as part of his team - his experience is different to the other coaches.

[coalman]

1 hour ago, Dusic said:

This is largely ludicrous. He was a supporting coach for a spell at the end of a carnage season. Zero of that should be placed on him.

As for performances, it depends what your expectations were. I recall that most of the time he was on the pitch, especially near the start of the season he was pretty good. His pass to Dibling was probably the best moment of the season. But its pretty inconsequential now.

In our Lg Cup game at Goodison he played the first 45mins and as there wasnt much of a crowd you could clearly hear him directing the play on the pitch - in a way that is fairly unusual I thought at the time.

Pretty sure he will have a positive impact and most importantly sure that Will Still wants him as part of his team - his experience is different to the other coaches.

Right back atcha. So he was on the pitch. Hit one good pass and shouted for 45 minutes. Deal of the fucking century there, mate.

Like I said I really hope he works out. If last season was a job interview for being a coach I'd be interested in what he did to get the job.

[Doctoroncall]

13 minutes ago, coalman said:

Right back atcha. So he was on the pitch. Hit one good pass and shouted for 45 minutes. Deal of the fucking century there, mate.

Like I said I really hope he works out. If last season was a job interview for being a coach I'd be interested in what he did to get the job.

I cannot imagine he’ll stay long if Will Still doesn’t think he’s up to it. Still just gives me the impression he won’t suffer fools and will expect the best from players and coaches alike  all of the time. 

[coalman]

2 minutes ago, Doctoroncall said:

I cannot imagine he’ll stay long if Will Still doesn’t think he’s up to it. Still just gives me the impression he won’t suffer fools and will expect the best from players and coaches alike  all of the time. 

That would be a breath of fresh air.

[SaintsLoyal]

Another thing thats become plainly obvious is the fact the Daily Echo reporter Alfie whatshisface is more or less in bed with the club on a scale ive never ever seen before.

A huge lack of independent journalistic opinion has gone missing and thats not healthy at all.

A private jet flew Blackmore and him to Solak btw

 

[richardc]

Surely Rusk cant have been scapegoated for us getting relegated - I dont understand why they never gave him his u21 job back unless he wants out to get a full managers role

[Matthew Le God]

6 minutes ago, richardc said:

Surely Rusk cant have been scapegoated for us getting relegated - I dont understand why they never gave him his u21 job back unless he wants out to get a full managers role

They'd already given that job permanently to Calum Mcfarlane when Simon Rusk started working with the 1st team.

[S-Clarke]

1 hour ago, richardc said:

Surely Rusk cant have been scapegoated for us getting relegated - I dont understand why they never gave him his u21 job back unless he wants out to get a full managers role

Simon Rusk was actually promoted to the first team coaching setup when Juric was in charge, possibly to fill the void left by some of Martin's coaches. At a guess, he was Calderwoods replacement.

So he didn't really have an U21 job to return to. I don't think he's been scapegoated, it was just a common point to part ways.

[ErwinK1961]

2 hours ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Another thing thats become plainly obvious is the fact the Daily Echo reporter Alfie whatshisface is more or less in bed with the club on a scale ive never ever seen before.

A huge lack of independent journalistic opinion has gone missing and thats not healthy at all.

A private jet flew Blackmore and him to Solak btw

 

You clearly haven’t read or listened to much of what Alfie has said over the last couple of years then.

Is there anything or anyone you don’t moan about?

[S-Clarke]

4 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

You clearly haven’t read or listened to much of what Alfie has said over the last couple of years then.

Is there anything or anyone you don’t moan about?

He's got one heck of a chip on his shoulder, that's for sure.

[SaintsLoyal]

6 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

You clearly haven’t read or listened to much of what Alfie has said over the last couple of years then.

Is there anything or anyone you don’t moan about?

Ive read plenty thanks and also aware of the situation, unlike you.

Show me what i moan about then, thats not valid for discussion, whilst i read your posts on here.

 

[ErwinK1961]

10 minutes ago, SaintsLoyal said:

Ive read plenty thanks and also aware of the situation, unlike you.

Show me what i moan about then, thats not valid for discussion, whilst i read your posts on here.

 

If you want to see, I’d suggest scrolling through pretty much every post you’ve made - that’s if you can look past the gigantic chip on your shoulder of course.

P.S. don’t watch the first day back training video, you might explode.