January Transfer Window

[Harry_SFC]

8 minutes ago, Saint Scott said:

Azaz has been massively underwhelming given his stats in the league the last two seasons.

Peretz hasn't been here long enough and let's be honest a fag packet would of been better than Baz.

Jander has potential but is no where the finished article

Scienza has been a revelation, no qualms there.

So on that basis, about a 15% success rate from Spors signings. Replacing one of the most potent strikers in the league, for an out of form 30 year old that cannot get a game in the dutch league is a cause for concern in my eyes

Azaz maybe hasn't done as well as expected but to say he's been "massively underwhelming" is a bit dramatic. 

Also think you're downplaying Jander a bit. He's better than just potential. 

[hypochondriac]

Maybe this guy will be a surprise but on the face of it he looks absolute dogshit. This club...

[coalman]

Just now, Oh no Mick Mills said:

Imo that's a very negative slant on the players we've brought in. 

I appreciate he's not exactly a marquee signing but that would never happen in the January transfer window for a Championship side.

People keep saying how difficult it is to bring in a striker as they are like gold dust and anyone with a really decent record is not coming to us 100%.

You take Brandon Thomas Assante for example. 

He's got 10 goals in 20 games for Cov this season yet they gambled on him where his record was 72 games 17 goals at West Brom and 100 odd games 24 goals for league 2 Salford...

This guy would only be a loan ..you never know he could exactly what we need...or am I being a deluded optimist!

I am very willing to eat some humble pie if he turns out to be mustard. Knowing Saints we'll let Feyenoord put an obligation to buy in the loan so we can add him to our stable of world class finishers to be loaned out in perpetuity.

[Saint Scott]

2 minutes ago, Oh no Mick Mills said:

Imo that's a very negative slant on the players we've brought in. 

I appreciate he's not exactly a marquee signing but that would never happen in the January transfer window for a Championship side.

People keep saying how difficult it is to bring in a striker as they are like gold dust and anyone with a really decent record is not coming to us 100%.

You take Brandon Thomas Assante for example. 

He's got 10 goals in 20 games for Cov this season yet they gambled on him where his record was 72 games 17 goals at West Brom and 100 odd games 24 goals for league 2 Salford...

This guy would only be a loan ..you never know he could exactly what we need...or am I being a deluded optimist!

Thanks for that Johannes

[Draino76]

Just grab the best two strikers from league 1....10 mill each. It takes five minutes to find the next Rickie Lambert. 

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Harry_SFC said:

Azaz maybe hasn't done as well as expected but to say he's been "massively underwhelming" is a bit dramatic. 

Also think you're downplaying Jander a bit. He's better than just potential. 

Agreed. We haven't been absolutely awful with recruitment but we were let down in the most important position. Jander, Scienza and Peretz have been good signings. Azaz a bit disappointing given what we paid and Fellows has been a victim of the formation.

[Badger]

At £10-15m , I’d accept selling AA this window. At £7m, plus whatever add ons, I’d say ‘no bollocks’ go in the summer.

Unless of course he is one of the main ‘bad apples’ the club simply want to get rid of. 

[Saint86]

1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

Up to 48m for Larson is just crazy, he really isn't that good. 

Makes it even more of a joke that we'd settle for £7M. Have people lost their damn minds - he's on to be top scorer in the championship, and as Stewart more than showed the other night, AA's our only real striking threat. Not sure Stewart even managed a shot.

We've also got no serious cover for Fellows of Scienza. Selling AA leaves us laughably light up top.

Edited 1 hour ago by Saint86

[Badger]

1 minute ago, Draino76 said:

Just grab the best two strikers from league 1....10 mill each. It takes five minutes to find the next Rickie Lambert. 

In which case we could bring back Ballard for a lot less. Not advocating it but rather than some 30 year old no marks 

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, Badger said:

In which case we could bring back Ballard for a lot less. Not advocating it but rather than some 30 year old no marks 

Yep. We should be trying for that at least imo.

[CSA96]

The Peretz and Larin moves both feel quite pragmatic to me from Spors and make a change from Ankersen just spunking money up the wall on people we didn't really want, but shelled out for because we got desperate and the clock was ticking (Sulemana, Onuachu)

We're taking a look at Peretz now and we'll do the same with Larin. If they become key players and we really like them, we can keep them. If they're poor or a bit meh then we can just let them go back to their parent club and spend our funds in the summer window when it's easier to conclude a decent deal and clubs are more open to doing business with each other

[Willo of Whiteley]

Where is the “bad apple” vibe coming from?

I have mentioned it before, but nowhere has he kicked up a fuss about wanting to leave or throwing his toys out the pram.

If he wants to go he can go, but only for the right price and if we have a replacement, and as we don’t then I can only see us going one way, and it isn’t forwards (or sideways 😂).

[washsaint]

7 minutes ago, Draino76 said:

Just grab the best two strikers from league 1....10 mill each. It takes five minutes to find the next Rickie Lambert. 

I hear there's a triker in League 1 that's tearing it up and scoring for fun.  Believe he is called Dom Ballard.......................

SR - fuck off out of our club you clueless morons.  This link to an ill disciplined, rubbish, old striker that's played 270 minutes this season is unbelieveable.

Clueless fucking morons and they'll send out Tonda as their patsy to defend this with no sight of SR morons or SPors

[LuckyNumber7]

I recall being quite impressed by Larin when seeing him for Canada. Experienced, and a physical presence with a good goal record albeit in some lesser leagues. Isn't that what most have been crying out for? 

Seems the Saintsweb way to bitch and moan at any incoming. We're mid table in the Championship, I'm not sure who people are expecting us to attract in January. 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, CSA96 said:

The Peretz and Larin moves both feel quite pragmatic to me from Spors and make a change from Ankersen just spunking money up the wall on people we didn't really want, but shelled out for because we got desperate and the clock was ticking (Sulemana, Onuachu)

We're taking a look at Peretz now and we'll do the same with Larin. If they become key players and we really like them, we can keep them. If they're poor or a bit meh then we can just let them go back to their parent club and spend our funds in the summer window when it's easier to conclude a decent deal and clubs are more open to doing business with each other

If Stewart gets injured and this bloke is shit then it's the youth team player and we have no one else (unless Archer doesn't go but who wants to rely on him?)

[Saint86]

28 minutes ago, IFHP said:

I actually think we took a bit of a gamble spending £50 million odd on going up this season .
 

Now that it’s obvious we’re not we need to get some money in . 
 

 

This is a nonsense take imo. Its not remotely obvious that we can't go up this season, and the money we spent was proportional for the sales made. We are still only 7 points of the playoffs with 16games to go, and we have so far massively underachieved - we've finally switched to a back 4 and have 7points out of 9 including tricky away games at fratton and stoke. We have hands down one of the best squads in the league (before SR seemingly gut it on transfer deadline day). And the only saving grace is that we finally seem to have a quality keeper in to help at the back. But what we seem to be intent on doing here (Archer, AA, Aribo, Edozie) all leaving with a bang average 30year old journeyman striker coming in (who even RVP couldn't get firing in a weaker league) is promotion suicide. Everyone can see we need to strengthen ideally, but to weaken ourselves and remove essentially all attacking depth is mental.

If this really is the direction we're taking then its SR panicking and pulling the plug on a promotion push and trying to grab as much money as possible this window - Which would be a gross error, as if we do get ourselves into the playoffs, we'd be favourites to get through them. Its that or they actually think we the squad is good enough to get promoted even if we sell every other striker and leave ourselves with only Scienza and Fellows as competent attackers with reliable fitness. And on top of that, if we aren't going to get promoted, the entire fanbase would be livid at selling AA to wolves in the summer for £7M - he'll be once again one of the very top goal and assist players in the league this season. We are not replacing that for £7M this window, so may as well keep him, let him play for his move in the summer, and maybe get a promotion out of it.

As for Blackmore's post - Downs or BBD coming back in from their loans? FML, really?!

If only there was a league 1 top scorer who loved southampton and who we had a buy back clause  for... Better yet, if only we hadn't sold him to make way for the likes of Downs, BBD, Archer, Stewart, and now this failed journeyman to get some minutes.

Edited 1 hour ago by Saint86

[S-Clarke]

Never heard of the bloke, looks shit though - but we were only ever going to loan in this window. But seemingly only we can sign a striker who hasn't scored a goal this year to replace our top scorer. Only us. 'We do things differently' 'the Southampton way'

Gone are the days of signing players like David Brooks for the 2nd half of the season.

Edited 1 hour ago by S-Clarke

[Fabrice29]

7 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

I recall being quite impressed by Larin when seeing him for Canada. Experienced, and a physical presence with a good goal record albeit in some lesser leagues. Isn't that what most have been crying out for? 

Seems the Saintsweb way to bitch and moan at any incoming. We're mid table in the Championship, I'm not sure who people are expecting us to attract in January. 

It's funny to think Alfie House especially was advocating Tyrick George as an obvious loan signing a few weeks back. Pitched a point that wasn't realistic and now "expectation has not been me with this signing" will be the next wave of content.

[Fabrice29]

9 minutes ago, washsaint said:

I hear there's a triker in League 1 that's tearing it up and scoring for fun.  Believe he is called Dom Ballard.......................

SR - fuck off out of our club you clueless morons.  This link to an ill disciplined, rubbish, old striker that's played 270 minutes this season is unbelieveable.

Clueless fucking morons and they'll send out Tonda as their patsy to defend this with no sight of SR morons or SPors

 

13 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Yep. We should be trying for that at least imo.

The daftest thing Dom Ballard needs right now is to be back in our squad as an option a few months into playing some first team football and finally scoring.

[Golac's Cunning Stunts]

11 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

I recall being quite impressed by Larin when seeing him for Canada. Experienced, and a physical presence with a good goal record albeit in some lesser leagues. Isn't that what most have been crying out for? 

Seems the Saintsweb way to bitch and moan at any incoming. We're mid table in the Championship, I'm not sure who people are expecting us to attract in January. 

if that's the case then probably best not to sell armstrong!

[Lighthouse]

Just now, S-Clarke said:

Never heard of the bloke, looks shit from the outset - but we were only ever going to loan in this window. Only we can sign a striker who hasn't scored a goal this year to replace our top scorer. Only us.

Gone are the days of signing players like David Brooks for the 2nd half of the season.

We only got Brooks because he’d been off having cancer treatment for over a year and needed somewhere to rebuild his match fitness. There’s always going to be a catch with bringing a player to the Championship.

Replacing Downs with Larin would be pretty ‘meh’ IMO. Replacing the leagues top scorer, Archer AND Downs all with Larin seems like downright lunacy, I hope there’s more going on than that.

[Badger]

13 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

Where is the “bad apple” vibe coming from?

I have mentioned it before, but nowhere has he kicked up a fuss about wanting to leave or throwing his toys out the pram.

If he wants to go he can go, but only for the right price and if we have a replacement, and as we don’t then I can only see us going one way, and it isn’t forwards (or sideways 😂).

Was AA one of the names highlighted by Alfie House the other week??

[SaintLondon]

It's an odd choice this - surely it makes more sense to keep AA until the summer rather than risk it with a 30 year old with a poor scoring record?

[hypochondriac]

I don't need the minority oddballs on here to tell me how this is actually a good signing. I'm fine with Armstrong going if we bring someone in with a chance if being better. Imo this bloke appears to not be better than Armstrong. 

[Fabrice29]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

We only got Brooks because he’d been off having cancer treatment for over a year and needed somewhere to rebuild his match fitness. There’s always going to be a catch with bringing a player to the Championship.

Replacing Downs with Larin would be pretty ‘meh’ IMO. Replacing the leagues top scorer, Archer AND Downs all with Larin seems like downright lunacy, I hope there’s more going on than that.

I would be surprised if there's anything else. Given Archers/Downs minutes were low, there's no reason why you cant give those to a youngster. Especially if you're a club who sells itself as having a pathway and is also actively talking about cutting the squad size. 

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, Lighthouse said:

We only got Brooks because he’d been off having cancer treatment for over a year and needed somewhere to rebuild his match fitness. There’s always going to be a catch with bringing a player to the Championship.

Replacing Downs with Larin would be pretty ‘meh’ IMO. Replacing the leagues top scorer, Archer AND Downs all with Larin seems like downright lunacy, I hope there’s more going on than that.

I can only hope Larin is more of a squad addition, if like you say he's going to complete our striker contingent (Larin, Stewart and the young kid) then I have no idea what we're doing.

[AlexLaw76]

Sell the leagues top scorer (or one of them), for this

Love it, we are anything but boring as a club

🫠

[sfc4prem]

This club...

[Fabrice29]

If you're on here criticising the club for not giving Ballard a chance, you might not want to be seen frothing at the mouth at us not signing someone the moment our next goal scoring youngster gets a sniff.

[Oisin]

To be fair to this chap, he has all the physical attributes we’re looking for so just needs to improve his finishing. And that’s where our amazing coaching team will really show their worth. Van Persie can’t coach finishing for sh1t compared to Eckert et al.

It’ll all be fine, mark my words.

[Willo of Whiteley]

9 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

It's funny to think Alfie House especially was advocating Tyrick George as an obvious loan signing a few weeks back. Pitched a point that wasn't realistic and now "expectation has not been me with this signing" will be the next wave of content.

You really are a boring wind up merchant.

[Midfield_General]

34 minutes ago, SaintNewForest said:

Another amazing amusing find by our illustrious owners. 

🤣

[Fabrice29]

1 minute ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

You really are a boring wind up merchant.

Thanks for the engagement though hun xxx

[egg]

3 minutes ago, Oisin said:

To be fair to this chap, he has all the physical attributes we’re looking for so just needs to improve his finishing. And that’s where our amazing coaching team will really show their worth. Van Persie can’t coach finishing for sh1t compared to Eckert et al.

It’ll all be fine, mark my words.

 

10 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

We only got Brooks because he’d been off having cancer treatment for over a year and needed somewhere to rebuild his match fitness. There’s always going to be a catch with bringing a player to the Championship.

Replacing Downs with Larin would be pretty ‘meh’ IMO. Replacing the leagues top scorer, Archer AND Downs all with Larin seems like downright lunacy, I hope there’s more going on than that.

We'll limp to a mid table finish whatever we do. 

But yeah, it looks a particularly crap bit of business all round. 

[Chez]

35 minutes ago, Oh no Mick Mills said:

Imo that's a very negative slant on the players we've brought in. 

I appreciate he's not exactly a marquee signing but that would never happen in the January transfer window for a Championship side.

People keep saying how difficult it is to bring in a striker as they are like gold dust and anyone with a really decent record is not coming to us 100%.

You take Brandon Thomas Assante for example. 

He's got 10 goals in 20 games for Cov this season yet they gambled on him where his record was 72 games 17 goals at West Brom and 100 odd games 24 goals for league 2 Salford...

This guy would only be a loan ..you never know he could exactly what we need...or am I being a deluded optimist!

if he's a loan, then i am happy to see how he looks coming on for 20 minutes at the end of games. he has to be better than archer down the middle...doesn't he?

[Baird of the land]

Not as down on Larin as others. Never getting a superstar in January, going to be players who aren’t getting much football.

seems the right physical profile and previously has history of scoring 7/8 goals a season, sounds a bit adamsesque. Hopefully he can chip in with some goals from the bench.

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Chez said:

if he's a loan, then i am happy to see how he looks coming on for 20 minutes at the end of games. he has to be better than archer down the middle...doesn't he?

How will that work then? Stewart won't play every game and so it's either this bloke or a youngster. Baffling to be soight on the ground half a season after being in the prem.

[egg]

6 minutes ago, Chez said:

if he's a loan, then i am happy to see how he looks coming on for 20 minutes at the end of games. he has to be better than archer down the middle...doesn't he?

Indeed. You can guarantee that people will mourn Archer like a lost Grandma, despite having moaned non stop about him since he arrived. 

Yesterday confirmed that we're better with a bit more size up front. Whilst we can surely do better than this bloke, I'd rather roll the dice on him than persist with Archer or bringing back Downs. 

 

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, Baird of the land said:

Not as down on Larin as others. Never getting a superstar in January, going to be players who aren’t getting much football.

seems the right physical profile and previously has history of scoring 7/8 goals a season, sounds a bit adamsesque. Hopefully he can chip in with some goals from the bench.

If he was in addition to what we have, sure. But seemingly the likelihood is that we'll probably end up with him, Stewart and U21 Oyekunle. That's not enough.

We were expecting a striker to backfill Downs position when he left, but it didn't happen and it slowly got forgotten about. So now we look to be moving on Archer and Armstrong to add a striker who doesn't score, who will join a strike force with a player who hasn't managed more than 7 starts in a season in 4 years. 

[Baird of the land]

Digging into stats larin has only had 1 start at feyenoord in those 8.

[johnnyboy]

Just got off a FaceTime with my brother , he has lived in Netherlands for over 30 years and is a sports photographer amongst other things! When I mentioned Larin from Feyernoord he laughed and said he ain’t all that as Feyernoord need all the help they can get right now so if they are prepared to let him go , well you know the rest !

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, S-Clarke said:

If he was in addition to what we have, sure. But seemingly the likelihood is that we'll probably end up with him, Stewart and U21 Oyekunle. That's not enough.

We were expecting a striker to backfill Downs position when he left, but it didn't happen and it slowly got forgotten about. So now we look to be moving on Archer and Armstrong to add a striker who doesn't score, who will join a strike force with a player who hasn't managed more than 7 starts in a season in 4 years. 

Telling you, BBD will be lighting up SMS once again from next week

[Chez]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

How will that work then? 

...better than playing archer up the middle, not as good as playing Armstrong up the middle, maybe? I don't know. Ive been struggling to find anyone suitable to come in. maybe the club have too.

 

[James]

12 minutes ago, egg said:

 

We'll limp to a mid table finish whatever we do. 

But yeah, it looks a particularly crap bit of business all round. 

We are 7 points off the playoffs with a lot of football to go. To write off the season at this point and assume that the best we can do, after selling the league’s top scorer to a potential rival next season, is loan in a striker with no goals this season is a bit of a joke. Concerning if that’s the attitude the ownership is taking.

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Chez said:

...better than playing archer up the middle, not as good as playing Armstrong up the middle, maybe? I don't know. Ive been struggling to find anyone suitable to come in. maybe the club have too.

 

you know, you don't have to.

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, James said:

We are 7 points off the playoffs with a lot of football to go. To write off the season at this point and assume that the best we can do, after selling the league’s top scorer to a potential rival next season, is loan in a striker with no goals this season is a bit of a joke. Concerning if that’s the attitude the ownership is taking.

we wrote the season off when we appointed Tonda.

Thankfully, we have way better players than the teams below us (largely), so we will be alright regardless 

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, Chez said:

...better than playing archer up the middle, not as good as playing Armstrong up the middle, maybe? I don't know. Ive been struggling to find anyone suitable to come in. maybe the club have too.

 

Yeah but my point is he won't be coming on for 20 minutes as backup to Stewart. On the many games that Stewart won't play because he can't play whole games or if/when he is injured again we will be relying on him to play substantial amounts of games.

[James]

3 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

Digging into stats larin has only had 1 start at feyenoord in those 8.

This reminds me of when the Forum convinced itself Guido Carrillo had a decent goal record for Monaco as he made so many sub appearances. He turned out crap, could see it coming a mile off, same here.

[SuperSAINT]

Do parachute payments run out this season and nobody is telling us?! 

[Baird of the land]

4 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

If he was in addition to what we have, sure. But seemingly the likelihood is that we'll probably end up with him, Stewart and U21 Oyekunle. That's not enough.

We were expecting a striker to backfill Downs position when he left, but it didn't happen and it slowly got forgotten about. So now we look to be moving on Archer and Armstrong to add a striker who doesn't score, who will join a strike force with a player who hasn't managed more than 7 starts in a season in 4 years. 

Yeah, if they let both Armstrong and archer leave, they surely get another body in on top of larin.