Cyle Larin

[Eagle778]

35 minutes ago, sledger said:

why are we worried about armstrong leaving hes hasnt shown up for an age,strange he wasnt involved at stoke and we looked ok.Maybe he was disruptive behind the scenes,anyway thank you and goodbye

I for one am celebrating tonight to see the back of Arma!!! 

[SW11_Saint]

3 hours ago, Saint Fan CaM said:

Welcome to Saints with a heavy dose of scepticism thrown in - not your fault - it’s SR’s seeming wish to completely destroy this club in a slow and painful downward spiral. You’re just trying to do a job and find a home for a short period. As Saints fans well give you the benefit of the doubt all the while you bust a gut on matchday. Stroll around and expect abuse. A goal or two early doors will be most welcome and somewhat unexpected.

And that’s the problem - disgruntlement at SR will manifest itself in this poor guy. I can well imagine a misplaced pass or missed chance resulting in boos - and, if that’s the case, we’ll possibly end up with some booing him when he’s coming on to replace Ross, as we did with Downs (which was appalling), 

Got to give him the benefit of the doubt, and give him support. That’s the only way he’ll build confidence. As you say, an early goal would help enormously. 

[Incidentally, I often wonder what might have happened if Damion Downs had netted that late winner v Wrexham, instead of air shotting it….Sliding doors…]

[Convict Colony]

I keep reading his name as Cycle Larin like its some sort of biking holiday.

[Fabrice29]

2 hours ago, SW11_Saint said:

And that’s the problem - disgruntlement at SR will manifest itself in this poor guy. I can well imagine a misplaced pass or missed chance resulting in boos - and, if that’s the case, we’ll possibly end up with some booing him when he’s coming on to replace Ross, as we did with Downs (which was appalling), 

Watching Brobbey last night at Sunderland was interesting on this point. He’d have a heavy first touch, look awkward and missed the ball completely from 6 yards out and there was no discontent from the fans. It’s a trust thing but you’re so right about the boos.

[hypochondriac]

16 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Watching Brobbey last night at Sunderland was interesting on this point. He’d have a heavy first touch, look awkward and missed the ball completely from 6 yards out and there was no discontent from the fans. It’s a trust thing but you’re so right about the boos.

Gee I wonder why. Could it be because they are pushing for Europe in the prem?

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Gee I wonder why. Could it be because they are pushing for Europe in the prem?

…in a season where they thought they’d just be lambs to the slaughter after witnessing our utterly pathetic showing the year before. They’re living the dream.

[Fabrice29]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Gee I wonder why. Could it be because they are pushing for Europe in the prem?

Yes? Could it be that I was talking about the player and the fans reaction to him?

[hypochondriac]

6 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Yes? Could it be that I was talking about the player and the fans reaction to him?

I'm not sure why it's relevant to saints. Stick saints in the same situation as Sunderland and you can bet the saints fans would be cheering all the way if they had a bit of a donkey up front. Conversely stick the Sunderland fans in our situation and they aren't going to be as patient or tolerant with Downs.

[Fabrice29]

14 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I'm not sure why it's relevant to saints. Stick saints in the same situation as Sunderland and you can bet the saints fans would be cheering all the way if they had a bit of a donkey up front. Conversely stick the Sunderland fans in our situation and they aren't going to be as patient or tolerant with Downs.

Yes, I did say it was a trust thing? Gee.

I saw on that TSP the owner of this site was criticising the fans recently. Nice to share opinions with such high esteem. 

[sadoldgit]

Call me old fashioned, but I am going to wait until he misses his first sitter before I write him off as a useless donkey.

[E_H_Saints]

I think it's crazy people have written this guy off already.  He may be more strength than technical which is exactly what we need.  How often do we buy technical players who then struggle because they fall over each time they are touched.  

 

I also think people clearly have no clue how the club look ATM.  Why would anyone come to a mid table club at this point in the season.. you aren't going to get a big name striker in.  In the summer maybe as the club will be selling it's ambition to go up a league but it's hard to say that now with our current form.  

[hypochondriac]

I love this process. 

*sees saints are bringing a new signing in. 

*looks at stats. Hmm doesn't look very good. 

*checks what fans of other clubs think. Hmm they are laughing and think he's terrible. 

*checks injury record. Hmm not very encouraging this season.

That doesn't mean he will definitely be terrible for us or that anyone would want him to be and of course he could turn out alright in a different league and system but if you think fans won't look at the available evidence before he plays in order to form an initial judgement then you're mental. I assume these people falsely claiming that he's been written off or that no one should comment about a player before he's played for us refrained from passing comment on more exciting signings like Fellows? If you studiously avoid all those things and refuse to even think about what a player might be like in our team then you're a bit weird quite frankly.

Edited 11 hours ago by hypochondriac

[Saint86]

I've calmed.

Plus sides, he is a big physical centre forward that will provide competition/depth for that role. His highlights reals do show there is a player in there who can be a menace and finish in and around the box, and that he'll get in the right positions - we've just got to get him firing and confident somehow. He is going to have Azaz, Fellows, and Scienza feeding him and playing off him - and they are 3 very good players for this level. So he should occupy defences and he will get service (i am prepared to accept that i may be reaching here).... But ultimately, he'll want to do well to get into the world cup team for Canada, a lot of championship defences are pretty damn poor, and this guy is joining with absolutely no expectation other than for him to be shit - so he can't really disappoint at least (silver lining).

Edited 10 hours ago by Saint86

[jasonbenali]

If you think of him as Downs' replacement, then what's not to like as it's hard to be worse. If you want peak Armstrong replacement, then less so. Maybe he'll be the non-scoring Heskey that makes the rest of the team tick...

[goodymatt]

Sounds like he’s played out wide and in the 10 mostly when featuring for Feyenoord this season? Very limited mins. Fish out of water perhaps and lots of players do need a run in a team to get up to speed. If he can hold the ball up and allow our best 3 players to do their magic in the final third, it might just work out ok.

Agree with the majority that it’s underwhelming when reviewing statistics and previous fans comments but will give him a chance to show he’s not useless.

I recall the blooper reel for Onuachu and the worst hat trick ever scored but when playing to his strengths in a lesser league, he scores goals (see Turkey and Belgium compared to PL). Hopefully Larin can also perform efficiently at the lower level that is the championship. There are some limited big and strong forwards doing well this season.

[ElTrinidad]

Hats off to SR for managing to fend off Toronto FC to sign this one

[Jack]

14 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

I've calmed.

Plus sides, he is a big physical centre forward that will provide competition/depth for that role. His highlights reals do show there is a player in there who can be a menace and finish in and around the box, and that he'll get in the right positions - we've just got to get him firing and confidence somehow. He is going to have Azaz, Fellows, and Scienza feeding him and playing off him - and they are 3 very good players for this level. So he should occupy defences and he'll will get service (i am prepared to accept that i may be reaching here).... But ultimately, he'll want to do well to get into the world cup team for Canada, a lot of championship defences are pretty damn poor, and this guy is joining with absolutely no expectation other than for him to be shit - so he can't really disappoint at least (silver lining).

Downs was supposed to do all of that but was absolutely hopeless. Given this guy’s age and experience you’d hope he’d be a little better, but has never done anything at a decent level. We’ve got to hope that Stewart stays fit 

Edited 10 hours ago by Jack

[Saint86]

3 minutes ago, Jack said:

Downs was supposed to do all of that but was absolutely hopeless. Given this guy’s age and experience you’d hope he’d be a little better, but has never done anything at all decent level. We’ve got to hope that Stewart stays fit 

Well, we'll see I guess... that is the great adventure that is being a Southampton fan (especially under SR) 🙄🫣.

At least the last 3 matches we've broadly adopted a square pegs, square holes approach to matches... So you'd like to think we haven't just sold AA (who can play RW), to replace him with this guy who is a blatant target man that we'll then play on the wing instead.... So hoping we see more of the same re players playing in their actual positions and at least with peretz at the back we seem far more solid.

Edited 10 hours ago by Saint86

[Paul_B]

Looks like he has a decent first touch..............

And he's brave (how Martin would've loved that)

Erm.....yeah. Inspiring stuff.

We could win the bottom half of the championship at this rate! Manifest that positivity!

[Harry_SFC]

24 minutes ago, Jack said:

Downs was supposed to do all of that but was absolutely hopeless. Given this guy’s age and experience you’d hope he’d be a little better, but has never done anything at a decent level. We’ve got to hope that Stewart stays fit 

He's better than Downs purely because he can't be any worse. It isn't possible. 

[notnowcato]

11 hours ago, MarkSFC said:

Lets all pray that this IS his level. Can't be worse than DD or BBD or CA.....can he?🤷‍♂️😁

When a question is prefixed on here with “Can’t be any worse than….” the strike rate of confirmation is remarkably low. 🤣

[hypochondriac]

40 minutes ago, goodymatt said:

Sounds like he’s played out wide and in the 10 mostly when featuring for Feyenoord this season? Very limited mins. Fish out of water perhaps and lots of players do need a run in a team to get up to speed. If he can hold the ball up and allow our best 3 players to do their magic in the final third, it might just work out ok.

Agree with the majority that it’s underwhelming when reviewing statistics and previous fans comments but will give him a chance to show he’s not useless.

I recall the blooper reel for Onuachu and the worst hat trick ever scored but when playing to his strengths in a lesser league, he scores goals (see Turkey and Belgium compared to PL). Hopefully Larin can also perform efficiently at the lower level that is the championship. There are some limited big and strong forwards doing well this season.

I don't think anyone is going to not give him a chance- primarily because as fans we don't have any choice. If he plays well and contributes for the team then I very much doubt anyone will have an issue.

[Brussels Saint]

I've really no issue with us selling Arma, though 9m is quite cheap. He simply doesn't fit in our system that gets the best out of our other players. He's also crap at penalties and I'm pretty sure it was his miss at Norwich which would have put us 1 up in a game we eventually lost 2-1 that started the run of poor form under Tonda. 

Certainly we dont need both Arma & Archer.

 

Larin is essentially the Downs replacement. Agree, its totally underwhelming, but the good thing is that expectation is so low. Any ability to hold the ball up and keep CB's deep will be an upgrade on Arma as a central striker.

[saintant]

1 hour ago, E_H_Saints said:

I think it's crazy people have written this guy off already.  He may be more strength than technical which is exactly what we need.  How often do we buy technical players who then struggle because they fall over each time they are touched.  

 

I also think people clearly have no clue how the club look ATM.  Why would anyone come to a mid table club at this point in the season.. you aren't going to get a big name striker in.  In the summer maybe as the club will be selling it's ambition to go up a league but it's hard to say that now with our current form.  

Yeah, why would anyone come to a club in one of the best leagues in the world, who have spent long periods in the Premier League and who pay players decent money? 

[Maggie May]

I imagine he always wanted to come here thanks to big Jim Brennan. 

[M271]

Cyle will need to earn a starting place in the team. From the information I’ve seen/heard so far he’s come here expecting to get many minutes on the pitch I.e. starting not a last 25 minute sub. No doubt there will be some rotation during busy game periods but if he settles ok does Eckert plan to normally start him and have injury prone Stewart as the sub replacement mid 2nd half? Other reports I’ve read have stated that he has thrown a strop at times if things aren’t going his way, which would cause problems if he doesn’t get the minutes to make his chances of making the Canada WC squad. As I previously stated though his performances will need to justify starting.

My 800 post, it’s only taken me 17 years to get there 🎉🥳

Edited 8 hours ago by M271

[TheAlehouseBrawlers]

21 minutes ago, M271 said:

Cyle will need to earn a starting place in the team. From the information I’ve seen/heard so far he’s come here expecting to get many minutes on the pitch I.e. starting not a last 25 minute sub. No doubt there will be some rotation during busy game periods but if he settles ok does Eckert plan to normally start him and have injury prone Stewart as the sub replacement mid 2nd half? Other reports I’ve read have stated that he has thrown a strop at times if things aren’t going his way, which would cause problems if he doesn’t get the minutes to make his chances of making the Canada WC squad. As I previously stated though his performances will need to justify starting.

Fortunately they have a near full week on the training ground to assess his fitness and his fitting into the side. I would think little chance he starts Saturday coming off the bench mid-second half. Unless Stewart pulls up, it’s been a while!

Edited 8 hours ago by TheAlehouseBrawlers
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[OldNick]

Welcome Cyle, dont listen to the doubters.

[OldNick]

16 hours ago, S-Clarke said:

. But we needed more than him, certainly as we've lost Fraser, Downs and Armstrong from our attack in the window.

So he needs to score 2-3 goals to beat that

[OldNick]

12 hours ago, saintant said:

Nobody hates him  - we get this every time. It's a forum and people are entitled to express their opinions - doesn't mean there's hate involved.

Yeah but its a bunch of entitled fans who think we should have top playes when you are sitting 14th in the 2nd tier. Nobody of quality needs to come here 

[badgerx16]

Our pet Canadian says welcome to Cyle

 

Edited 8 hours ago by badgerx16

[Saint86]

1 hour ago, Brussels Saint said:

I've really no issue with us selling Arma, though 9m is quite cheap. He simply doesn't fit in our system that gets the best out of our other players.

Last time we played 4-2-3-1 consistently in the championship, AA was the top player in the league for combined goals and assists. This isn't aimed at you, but the "doesn't fit the system" argument is just not true.... unless of course we're reverting back to a 5-2-2-1.

[tdmickey3]

58 minutes ago, OldNick said:

Welcome Cyle, dont listen to the doubters.

Yes, Cyle, listen to the clapping seals, we`ve got a few on here.

Irrespective of them, if you do well you will be supported and the majority will give you time

[BARCELONASAINT]

like any signing Saints make i really want them to be successful and want to be excited about watching them wearing our colours. Even though most of the more recent stats and reports don't look great i will get behind Cyle when he steps on the pitch and wish him all the best. I listened to his interview last night and he came across well and he has all the motivation in the world for performing well for us!!!! Do this business for us and his World Cup place is a certainty.

[LuckyNumber7]

3 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

I love this process. 

*sees saints are bringing a new signing in. 

*looks at stats. Hmm doesn't look very good. 

*checks what fans of other clubs think. Hmm they are laughing and think he's terrible. 

*checks injury record. Hmm not very encouraging this season.

That doesn't mean he will definitely be terrible for us or that anyone would want him to be and of course he could turn out alright in a different league and system but if you think fans won't look at the available evidence before he plays in order to form an initial judgement then you're mental. I assume these people falsely claiming that he's been written off or that no one should comment about a player before he's played for us refrained from passing comment on more exciting signings like Fellows? If you studiously avoid all those things and refuse to even think about what a player might be like in our team then you're a bit weird quite frankly.

It's perfectly fine to have an initial opinion of a player but some of the comments on Larin have been completely ott and frankly out of order. On this forum he's already been called a prick, donkey, joke just off the top of my head before even signing for us.

I also disagree about his stats being bad, he generally has a good goalscoring record across his career, albeit in mostly weaker leagues. Maybe La Liga was a step too far or the league just didn't suit him. But we're mid table in the Championship now, that's our level.

People are placing far too much weight on what the Feyenoord fans are saying about him. He's barely played for them (1 start I think)? Of course they're not going to be gushing. Has anyone looked to see what Besiktas fans thought of him, where he scored almost 1 in 2? Sometimes it doesn't work out for a number of reasons.

As someone who saw him play a few games for Canada I was mildly pleased when I saw the link, I just can't quite believe the venom that has been spewed about his signing, probably from people who have never seen him play. Especially as his profile is what many have been calling for. A physical presence with a half decent scoring record.

He may well turn out crap and fair enough if so, but at least it's only a loan. I hope our fans give him a fair crack of the whip but I'm not holding my breath.

[Convict Colony]

Assume he's on the bench on the weekend and is subbed on for LND around 65 min

[BARCELONASAINT]

2 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

It's perfectly fine to have an initial opinion of a player but some of the comments on Larin have been completely ott and frankly out of order. On this forum he's already been called a prick, donkey, joke just off the top of my head before even signing for us.

I also disagree about his stats being bad, he generally has a good goalscoring record across his career, albeit in mostly weaker leagues. Maybe La Liga was a step too far or the league just didn't suit him. But we're mid table in the Championship now, that's our level.

People are placing far too much weight on what the Feyenoord fans are saying about him. He's barely played for them (1 start I think)? Of course they're not going to be gushing. Has anyone looked to see what Besiktas fans thought of him, where he scored almost 1 in 2? Sometimes it doesn't work out for a number of reasons.

As someone who saw him play a few games for Canada I was mildly pleased when I saw the link, I just can't quite believe the venom that has been spewed about his signing, probably from people who have never seen him play. Especially as his profile is what many have been calling for. A physical presence with a half decent scoring record.

He may well turn out crap and fair enough if so, but at least it's only a loan. I hope our fans give him a fair crack of the whip but I'm not holding my breath.

I think the fans will give him a fair crack of the whip, lets face it Damion Downs only started to get negative crap from the terraces after quite a run of games where he contributed nothing whatsoever. All Larin has to do is put himself about, run around a bit and he's automatically better than DD.

[saintant]

1 hour ago, OldNick said:

Welcome Cyle, dont listen to the doubters.

Nah, listen to the rose tinted glasses brigade - in other words it'll be a doddle for you so no need to try  very hard. I'd say I'm a realist rather than a doubter. 

[Maggie May]

Cyle Larin!

Cyle Larin!

Ridicule is nothing to be scared of. 

[saintant]

1 hour ago, OldNick said:

Yeah but its a bunch of entitled fans who think we should have top playes when you are sitting 14th in the 2nd tier. Nobody of quality needs to come here 

There's top quality, poor quality something in between,  players with potential who'll never come good, players with potential who will live up to it, players just needing a chance to be discovered etc etc....in short, there's many different options out there as well as those of quality.

[WALK DMC]

1 hour ago, M271 said:

Cyle will need to earn a starting place in the team. From the information I’ve seen/heard so far he’s come here expecting to get many minutes on the pitch I.e. starting not a last 25 minute sub. No doubt there will be some rotation during busy game periods but if he settles ok does Eckert plan to normally start him and have injury prone Stewart as the sub replacement mid 2nd half? Other reports I’ve read have stated that he has thrown a strop at times if things aren’t going his way, which would cause problems if he doesn’t get the minutes to make his chances of making the Canada WC squad. As I previously stated though his performances will need to justify starting.

My 800 post, it’s only taken me 17 years to get there 🎉🥳

On the basis that they're unlikely to risk starting Stewart in quick succession, I'd assume that Cyle will start all our evening games and FA cup ties. So in the next 6 weeks, that would mean 3 evening games and 1 (or two if we get through) FA Cup matches. And as you say, he'll probably start coming on for Stewart after the hour in other games.   That's a load more playing time than he has been getting in Holland.  Let's just hope that he can make a decent contribution in all of those games. 

Plus of course, if Stewart picks up an injury the playing time could be significantly more. 

[saintant]

21 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

It's perfectly fine to have an initial opinion of a player but some of the comments on Larin have been completely ott and frankly out of order. On this forum he's already been called a prick, donkey, joke just off the top of my head before even signing for us.

I also disagree about his stats being bad, he generally has a good goalscoring record across his career, albeit in mostly weaker leagues. Maybe La Liga was a step too far or the league just didn't suit him. But we're mid table in the Championship now, that's our level.

People are placing far too much weight on what the Feyenoord fans are saying about him. He's barely played for them (1 start I think)? Of course they're not going to be gushing. Has anyone looked to see what Besiktas fans thought of him, where he scored almost 1 in 2? Sometimes it doesn't work out for a number of reasons.

As someone who saw him play a few games for Canada I was mildly pleased when I saw the link, I just can't quite believe the venom that has been spewed about his signing, probably from people who have never seen him play. Especially as his profile is what many have been calling for. A physical presence with a half decent scoring record.

He may well turn out crap and fair enough if so, but at least it's only a loan. I hope our fans give him a fair crack of the whip but I'm not holding my breath.

Provided he does what he's paid for and what he was brought here to do he'll be cracking that whip all day long. If he doesn't then, same as every other player, he'll be called out.  That's how it works at every club in the land.

[Chez]

50 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

Assume he's on the bench on the weekend and is subbed on for LND around 65 min

Makes sense. And assuming he is match fit - he's played recently, so no reason why he wouldn't be - we will see straight away if having more of a target man (if that is what he is) can make a difference in the later stages of games. We have struggled badly near the end of games to keep the ball and remove pressure with the likes of Archer and AA.  

Edited 6 hours ago by Chez

[benali-shorts]

33 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

Cyle Larin!

Cyle Larin!

Ridicule is nothing to be scared of. 

Very good 

[BarberSaint]

Very Downs-esque.

[Saint86]

1 hour ago, Convict Colony said:

Assume he's on the bench on the weekend and is subbed on for LND around 65 min

Optimistic thinking Stewart will make it that far. The transfer window has just slammed shut, so by some counts he's due an injury anytime this afternoon... 🤣

Edited 6 hours ago by Saint86

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, BARCELONASAINT said:

I think the fans will give him a fair crack of the whip, lets face it Damion Downs only started to get negative crap from the terraces after quite a run of games where he contributed nothing whatsoever. All Larin has to do is put himself about, run around a bit and he's automatically better than DD.

Exactly. If he scores and shows a bit about him then he's unlikely to get a hard time. The idea that our fans are uniquely unsupportive and that other fans wouldn't be feeling similar after another terrible season and years of underwhelming mismanagement and guff is a nonsense. This player deserves a level of support and a hope that he is successful for us and we can also acknowledge that it is quite an underwhelming body to bring in for a number of reasons after letting Armstrong go. The two things aren't mutually exclusive.

P.s. I didn't see anyone calling him a prick but that's obviously a silly thing to say since we don't know him unless they were referring to reports of his attitude. I can see why there may be some fears that he could turn out to be a joke or a donkey- particularly because the last attacking signing appeared to fit those descriptions rather well.

Edited 6 hours ago by hypochondriac

[hypochondriac]

43 minutes ago, BarberSaint said:

Very Downs-esque.

Racist.

[Brussels Saint]

4 hours ago, Saint86 said:

Last time we played 4-2-3-1 consistently in the championship, AA was the top player in the league for combined goals and assists. This isn't aimed at you, but the "doesn't fit the system" argument is just not true.... unless of course we're reverting back to a 5-2-2-1.

Yeah, I get that argument. I suppose a better way to say it is that he doesn't fit the system as the central striker.

As a competition for Fellows on the right of a 3, we know he's decent and could have stayed. Guessing therefore its either financial, old guard clear-out, player request or a combination of all 3 that saw him out the door.

I feel okay with it though and maybe its his contributions since that pen miss, but I don't feel we are losing that much in the big picture.

[SaintTex]

i just cant get over the first name.. Cyle.

I assume it is pronounced "Kyle"