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Posted by Miltonaggro,

Apologies for the war and peace post chaps – bear with or scroll past.  For the last week I have been trying to provide a steer on here as to why I think this silly episode will be concluded with a fine (in the region of £200k) and / or a possible future points deduction (though if I were advising Saints I would appeal this).  Simply that talk of forfeit and bans opens a legal can of worms that is well beyond the remit and scope of both the EFL and / or Middlesbrough FC. The best way to get

What a well thought out post. Thank you

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Dman

Dman

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Just now, hypochondriac said:

Of course Steve Gibson can access the video of his own cctv in the hotel that he owns. 

He can personally, but he cannot use data from 1 company to assist with another... surely. 

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badgerx16

badgerx16

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Just now, hypochondriac said:

Of course Steve Gibson can access the video of his own cctv in the hotel that he owns. 

But only in terms of the operation of the hotel. The data is retained for registered lawful purposes.

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Lymington Saint

Lymington Saint

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We live in strange times.  Trial by media, and people losing all sense of proportion.  Plus journalists being measured by clicks and the rise of clickbait.  Mirror reporting that Middlesbrough are making plans for the playoff final - just attention seeking journalism.

We are clearly out of order here and will be heavily fined.  It will all be forgotten in a couple of weeks time.  And tickets go on sale on Friday.  No way are EFL going to try and sort out the mess if they try to throw us out - plus I am sure that we have lawyers lined up in case.

Anyone know what happened to the idiot who caused all this?  Cant see him ever working in football again

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benjii

benjii

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3 minutes ago, Dman said:

Hmmm not true unfortunately. They could argue that they have a legal right to the footage due to it assisting with there soon to be legal case. 

Then they seek a court order for it to be handed over. It's not up to another controller to just hand over data because someone else rocks up and says, "I've got a legal case".

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rallyboy

rallyboy

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If Gibson is considering legal action against anyone it should be against his own first team fitness coach.

Those wheezy fuckers can't play for more than 30 mins without cramping up like dogs trying to strain their way through constipation.

Perhaps spend less time chasing headlines next season and more time training?

 

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egg

egg

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Just now, rallyboy said:

If Gibson is considering legal action against anyone it should be against his own first team fitness coach.

Those wheezy fuckers can't play for more than 30 mins without cramping up like dogs trying to strain their way through constipation.

Perhaps spend less time chasing headlines next season and more time training?

 

Amen to that! 

Willo of Whiteley

Willo of Whiteley

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3 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

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Am I the only one who sees the name "Will" and the term "intern" and thinks of this guy from 2012 / 2026? Er, yeah, right, er, crap.

“No, yeah, cool. Sorry, what?”

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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Just now, Midfield_General said:

He should put a very strongly worded review on TripAdvisor

I prefer Google Maps myself. 

"If you buy so much as a coffee here your name will be all over the Internet before you can say Steve Gibson"

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Willo of Whiteley

Willo of Whiteley

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Middlesbrough are the biggest fannies in football now.

Official.

This isn't a law case, it is not going to court.

They won’t be overturning our play off final.

They won’t be getting £100M in compensation, they’ll be lucky to get £100K.

They have behaved far more recklessly than Saints have now.

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Midfield_General

Midfield_General

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3 minutes ago, BH_Saint said:

I'm not sure what the date of this article is but in the interview, Will Salt has completed his placement with Southampton and currently has a paid role with Aston Villa.

https://www.derby.ac.uk/undergraduate/sport-exercise-science-courses/wills-placement-year-is-key-to-success/

So is Will Salt currently on Southampton's books?

Gosh, that's an interesting and completely innocent question and first post from someone who joined the forum yesterday 

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Whitey Grandad

Whitey Grandad

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Just now, BH_Saint said:

I'm not sure what the date of this article is but in the interview, Will Salt has completed his placement with Southampton and currently has a paid role with Aston Villa.

https://www.derby.ac.uk/undergraduate/sport-exercise-science-courses/wills-placement-year-is-key-to-success/

So is Will Salt a currently on Southampton's books?

This is crucial. At the date of the event was he actually an employee of Southampton FC? Hayden Hackney has previously been linked with transfer interest from Aston Villa as well as several other Premier League clubs.

This lad is the key to the whole affair and I am surprised that no self-respecting sports journalist has managed to track him down. 

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RedArmy

RedArmy

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“Whatever happens, this really needs to be sorted with the utmost urgency. It’s not fair on anyone, Hull are preparing for a final without knowing who they’re actually playing.” 

 

Theyre playing Southampton you fucking cranks. 

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SWLondon Saint

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11 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

According to the loons on the Boro forum, they believe they have a paper trail that includes the following clubs:

Boro, Millwall, Bristol city, Norwich, Hull and Coventry.

I call BS on this. Boro would have to have absolutely no-one with any kind of accounting / legal / compliance knowledge or sense around to let this happen, you can't just send someone's bank card details to other organisations for your private investigation. Massive potential issues.

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saintant

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12 minutes ago, Lymington Saint said:

We live in strange times.  Trial by media, and people losing all sense of proportion.  Plus journalists being measured by clicks and the rise of clickbait.  Mirror reporting that Middlesbrough are making plans for the playoff final - just attention seeking journalism.

We are clearly out of order here and will be heavily fined.  It will all be forgotten in a couple of weeks time.  And tickets go on sale on Friday.  No way are EFL going to try and sort out the mess if they try to throw us out - plus I am sure that we have lawyers lined up in case.

Anyone know what happened to the idiot who caused all this?  Cant see him ever working in football again

Heard he's now high up in MI5.

Ekelund

Ekelund

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8 minutes ago, BH_Saint said:

I'm not sure what the date of this article is but in the interview, Will Salt has completed his placement with Southampton and currently has a paid role with Aston Villa.

https://www.derby.ac.uk/undergraduate/sport-exercise-science-courses/wills-placement-year-is-key-to-success/

So is Will Salt currently on Southampton's books?

The Tyler Dibling stuff dates it. Reckon he’s back at saints with Tonda post Villa.

Midfield_General

Midfield_General

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4 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

:yawn:

 

 

Even the Boro forums think 'Diggerlad' is a total and utter knob with the lies he makes up - go on FTTM, they think he's an embarassment, and bearing in mind what absolute melts they are in general, that is saying something 

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egg

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1 minute ago, saintant said:

Heard he's now high up in MI5.

I heard he's going to be in the next series of Slow Horses. 

benjii

benjii

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2 minutes ago, SWLondon Saint said:

I call BS on this. Boro would have to have absolutely no-one with any kind of accounting / legal / compliance knowledge or sense around to let this happen, you can't just send someone's bank card details to other organisations for your private investigation. Massive potential issues.

Sounds like bollocks.

Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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3 minutes ago, RedArmy said:

“Whatever happens, this really needs to be sorted with the utmost urgency. It’s not fair on anyone, Hull are preparing for a final without knowing who they’re actually playing.” 

 

Theyre playing Southampton you fucking cranks. 

Hull are having to pay two analysts to watch training sessions. One of whom, keeps being disturbed by journalists.

Midfield_General

Midfield_General

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16 minutes ago, Saint NL said:

According to the loons on the Boro forum, they believe they have a paper trail that includes the following clubs:

Boro, Millwall, Bristol city, Norwich, Hull and Coventry.

Cool. Looking forward to seeing the proof of that then. 

Miltonaggro

Miltonaggro

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16 minutes ago, CanadaSaint said:

Thanks so much for this excellent post. I have a question about the quoted part because I'm not sure that just a fine for a well-funded club is going to be seen as an adequate punishment.

This has turned into a very widely publicized topic, and it now arguably has a larger context than just Boro and Saints. This could move it beyond just the EFL ("Deviation from Established League Precedent") and into the wider football governance arena. As I understand it, the EFL is under the broader jurisdiction of the FA, which itself is under the overall jurisdiction of FIFA. It was FIFA that imposed the one-year ban on Bev Priestman, the Canadian women's team head coach.

What are your thoughts on the position that Saints could take in the event that the disciplinary committee seeks to invoke that precedent? It seems to me that Saints definitely need to have their arguments ready for such an eventuality.

In part, I think that this is why the regulator will be proportionate in terms of punishment.  I don't know the case mentioned, but would imagine that the international focus (FIFA) would only apply in the case of the international game (situs).  My feeling is that the FA will distance themselves from this or actually lean on the EFL to be reasonable in terms of sanctions applied.  It's the prize that causes the problem here, and the international precedent even if persuasive wont stick.

At one level, it's at what point SFC sees the regulator as acting disproportionally or ultra vires, in the sense that a ban in this instance leads to extreme financial loss (forfeiting what is said to be the most lucrative match in world football).  This is what a lot of people seem to be missing, there are no 'legal tests' or 'legal procedures' in terms of regulatory participation, as they can't force their remedy or adjudicate themselves (mark their own homework) in terms of compelling a member to act or surrender evidence (it's compliance).  So SFC will likely play nice up until / unless the EFL act rashly (in imposing financial loss), whilst MFC have no legal case whatsoever.

Dummies way to consider I suppose, is that if you get a £60 ticket after over parking in a Lidl car park and dispute it the 'appeal' process will generally happen through the BPA.  However, this is voluntary, and if you feel that the BPA will likely / has sided with the parking company or acted disproportionally in setting / upholding the penalty, amongst other things, you can swerve the regulator and take matters to law via the small claims court.  The SCC will then judge, the actions and processes of the parking company, the BPA as well as yours.  I would always recommend this, as in my experience the unholy duo folds in 90% of cases.

So, Saints seem to be waiting for the EFL to break cover (not sure they will), whilst letting MFC dig a ditch, which is exactly the right thing to do right now.      

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hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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2 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Even the Boro forums think 'Diggerlad' is a total and utter knob with the lies he makes up - go on FTTM, they think he's an embarassment

Middlesbrough would have no idea about how likely an outcome would be. It's an independent disciplinary panel.

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kitch

kitch

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"In another development, we understand he used his bank card on Thursday to buy a coffee at Rockliffe Hall Golf Club - owned by Boro chairman Steve Gibson."

At least he bought something in the shop when he used the toilet. That's integrity.

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Dman

Dman

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Just now, hypochondriac said:

Middlesbrough would have no idea about how likely an outcome would be. It's an independent disciplinary panel.

Yep. Ignore the leaks, they're clearly nonsense. 

Willo of Whiteley

Willo of Whiteley

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3 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Even the Boro forums think 'Diggerlad' is a total and utter knob with the lies he makes up - go on FTTM, they think he's an embarassment

Sounds like theSaintsCentre - who just pedals bullshit too

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Saint NL

Saint NL

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Well I don't think the final can possibly live up to the spygate drama. What a day of rumour, nonsense and a spectacular photo of a guy by a tree holding his phone. 

Let's hope tomorrow is just as much fun.

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saintant

saintant

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8 minutes ago, Whitey Grandad said:

This is crucial. At the date of the event was he actually an employee of Southampton FC? Hayden Hackney has previously been linked with transfer interest from Aston Villa as well as several other Premier League clubs.

This lad is the key to the whole affair and I am surprised that no self-respecting sports journalist has managed to track him down. 

Have you seen the number of disguises he uses? He's the Scarlet Pimpernel of Interns.

hypochondriac

hypochondriac

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2 minutes ago, Dman said:

Yep. Ignore the leaks, they're clearly nonsense. 

Also they haven't even heard the case yet or any mitigation from our end. No one will consider us getting booted out to be likely at this stage.

Midfield_General

Midfield_General

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4 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

They’ve missed out - Southampton given go ahead to sell tickets for Play-off Final 😬

https://www.southamptonfc.com/en/news/article/ticket-sales-windows-announced-for-play-off-final

Tickets available to buy from 9.30am Friday. 

Presumably the panel will be convened and will sit, hear all the available evidence from both sides and give its verdict in the next 24h then to avoid the utter shitshow of Wembley selling 40,000 tickets for a game that's not going to take place? 

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Miltonaggro

Miltonaggro

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6 minutes ago, kitch said:

At least he bought something in the shop when he used the toilet. That's integrity.

I've heard he left an enormous floater, further adding to the Teeside anger!

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Thripp87

Thripp87

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So if we get thrown out the play offs (we won’t) I assume we play the fa cup final? We can impose a sporting sanction on Man City. 
 

Clearly we will need to pay Boro £20m to fuck off!

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kitch

kitch

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1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Yes. He took it down about an hour after I took this screenshot.

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He liked his own post as well. Definitely dodgy.

saintant

saintant

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3 minutes ago, Thripp87 said:

So if we get thrown out the play offs (we won’t) I assume we play the fa cup final? We can impose a sporting sanction on Man City. 
 

Clearly we will need to pay Boro £20m to fuck off!

Why?

Pip

Pip

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1 minute ago, Thripp87 said:
 

Clearly we will need to pay Boro £20m to fuck off!

Personally I think this is what Gibson is after having already got away with it once.  Sadly for him I think he’s picked on the wrong club. We seem to be sitting back calmly while he digs himself into an ever deeper hole.

Miltonaggro

Miltonaggro

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1 minute ago, Pip said:

Personally I think this is what Gibson is after having already got away with it once.  Sadly for him I think he’s picked on the wrong club. We seem to be sitting back calmly while he digs himself into an ever deeper hole.

Made this point yesterday, no way Dragan Solak will roll over on this.  I would imagine the Serbian / Balkan telecommunications industry is a tad more feisty than running a waste haulage firm in the North Yorks area.   

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