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Posted by Miltonaggro,

Apologies for the war and peace post chaps – bear with or scroll past.  For the last week I have been trying to provide a steer on here as to why I think this silly episode will be concluded with a fine (in the region of £200k) and / or a possible future points deduction (though if I were advising Saints I would appeal this).  Simply that talk of forfeit and bans opens a legal can of worms that is well beyond the remit and scope of both the EFL and / or Middlesbrough FC. The best way to get

What a well thought out post. Thank you

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James G

James G

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It's like those experiments they do in psychology, if you line up 12 people, and get 10 of them to do something, the other two copy of the actions of the other 10. Group psychology 

By putting stories everywhere and getting their cult fans to post cheat cheat cheat, other people are swayed into that narrative.

Alot of the early conversation was mild, people were either non opinionated, or posting jokes. We're now seeing alot of those people getting sucked in by their campaign probably without realising

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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Just now, StrangelyBrown said:

Gibson is a cunt and has form for this sort of bollocks. Can't wait until something comes out about his club.

All he needed to do is build a fence FFS! Talk about not taking responsibility for his own ineptitude.

Whilst it doesn’t stop it being an EFL rule breach, the sheer openness of the training ground considering they’ve been in the PL previously FFS will be a significant mitigation against them and him. 

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Farmer Saint

Farmer Saint

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1 minute ago, James G said:

It's like those experiments they do in psychology, if you line up 12 people, and get 10 of them to do something, the other two copy of the actions of the other 10. Group psychology 

By putting stories everywhere and getting their cult fans to post cheat cheat cheat, other people are swayed into that narrative.

Alot of the early conversation was mild, people were either non opinionated, or posting jokes. We're now seeing alot of those people getting sucked in by their campaign probably without realising

It's how Brexit happened.

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SNSUN

SNSUN

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3 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Yeah. 3 point deduction could put us in 20th in the Premier League again, rather than in 20th.

That's one fluke win against a big boy. We're coming for you Arsenal. 😆

A 3 point deduction in the Championship over a 46 game season and a 3 point deduction in the Premier League over a 38 game season is also not a like-for-like punishment.

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SNSUN

SNSUN

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3 minutes ago, James G said:

It's like those experiments they do in psychology, if you line up 12 people, and get 10 of them to do something, the other two copy of the actions of the other 10. Group psychology 

By putting stories everywhere and getting their cult fans to post cheat cheat cheat, other people are swayed into that narrative.

Alot of the early conversation was mild, people were either non opinionated, or posting jokes. We're now seeing alot of those people getting sucked in by their campaign probably without realising

  • I was going with "empty vessels make the most noise" but your explanation is good too. 😁
Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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17 minutes ago, StrangelyBrown said:

Gibson is a cunt and has form for this sort of bollocks. Can't wait until something comes out about his club.

All he needed to do is build a fence FFS! Talk about not taking responsibility for his own ineptitude.

Gibson extorted a settlement out of Mel Morris and Derby for PSR breaches https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60350198

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Suhari

Suhari

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1 hour ago, St Chalet said:

You have to feel for the lad Will Salt. A huge amount of media pressure on some very young shoulders and must be worried about where this leaves his career. 
 

Boro have hung him out to dry. Utter *unts. 

He'll be fine. Plays it right he'd make a fortune from Only Fans.

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Badger

Badger

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21 minutes ago, saint francis said:

Whatever the outcome this is an unnecessary embarrassment to the club.  

This is it in a nutshell. Needless and unnecessary, if we knowingly sanctioned it then it was high risk for little benefit.

Hope we move on quickly

Thripp87

Thripp87

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1 hour ago, JustinR said:

That loophole has been closed now. The two leagues have a reciprocal arrangement- points deductions from one carry over to the next

Starting in the Prem on minus might mean we at least beat the Derby record next season then. 🤣

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Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

What would stop any member of the public from booking a hotel room, taking a stroll in the hotel grounds and sending training notes to Hull if Boro are in the final?

Nothing

So Boro clearly can't be too bothered about sensitive tactical information being in the public gaze.

Christ you're still missing the point aren't you. Hull would be in breach of the rule if they didn't immediately report that happening to the EFL and to Boro. 

Patches O Houlihan

Patches O Houlihan

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3 hours ago, Saint NL said:

According to the loons on the Boro forum, they believe they have a paper trail that includes the following clubs:

Boro, Millwall, Bristol city, Norwich, Hull and Coventry.

Did the dates correspond with our away matches against them?!
The plot thickens

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skintsaint

skintsaint

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3 hours ago, Saint NL said:

According to the loons on the Boro forum, they believe they have a paper trail that includes the following clubs:

Boro, Millwall, Bristol city, Norwich, Hull and Coventry.

Thought they said it was Ipswich and Wrexham. Can't keep their stories straight.

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Miltonaggro

Miltonaggro

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32 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

there was a poster commenting on the Boro site, who is in the law profession (apparently). This person claimed that the chances/likelihood of Boro replacing Saints in the final sit around 0%

Yes, they can’t afford me to tell them that! 😊

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stknowle

stknowle

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Fuck me this thing is really starting to boil my piss. It’s so PATHETIC on so many levels.

The fact we did it in the first place (if we did) when the gains are so marginal - PATHETIC

The fact we were so amateurish about it that we got caught - PATHETIC

The fact that ‘BORO are apparently so aggrieved about it - PATHETIC

The fact that they are seriously clinging to the hope that this all ends up in them being reinstated - PATHETIC

The fact that if they’re so precious about such matters they don’t even have a fence around their training pitch to avoid any possibility of it happening  - PATHETIC

The fact that if we’d been caught doing it 1 minute before the 72 hr exclusion period it would’ve all been fine but 1 minute later then not - PATHETIC

The fact it’s all over the media and being ‘seriously’ talked about that we may get expelled - PATHETIC

The fact that our post match press conferences have been ruined by questions about this fucking stupid episode whilst the excellent football matches have been basically overlooked - PATHETIC

The fact that I feel so annoyed that I need to articulate my anger by capitalising the word PATHETIC for emphasis - PATHETIC.

The fact that I can’t work out how to add additional emphasis by bolding and capitalising the word PATHETIC on my twat of an iPhone - PATHETIC.

Enough now, I just want this disagreeably PATHETIC issue to fuck off so I can enjoy looking forward us hopefully battering Hull. UTS.

 

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kwsaint

kwsaint

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I genuinely think a lot of this hype is because there’s sod all other football on right now. Relegation is basically sorted from the PL and the title is as well.

By the World Cup this will all be forgotten.

That said, I might not wear a Southampton top around Middlesbrough in the future.

Though I’d rather go to Tehran than Middlesbrough.

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kwsaint

kwsaint

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1 minute ago, stknowle said:

Fuck me this thing is really starting to boil my piss. It’s so PATHETIC on so many levels.

The fact we did it in the first place (if we did) when the gains are so marginal - PATHETIC

The fact we were so amateurish about it that we got caught - PATHETIC

The fact that ‘BORO are apparently so aggrieved about it - PATHETIC

The fact that they are seriously clinging to the hope that this all ends up in them being reinstated - PATHETIC

The fact that if they’re so precious about such matters they don’t even have a fence around their training pitch to avoid any possibility of it happening  - PATHETIC

The fact that if we’d been caught doing it 1 minute before the 72 hr exclusion period it would’ve all been fine but 1 minute later then not - PATHETIC

The fact it’s all over the media and being ‘seriously’ talked about that we may get expelled - PATHETIC

The fact that our post match press conferences have been ruined by questions about this fucking stupid episode whilst the excellent football matches have been basically overlooked - PATHETIC

The fact that I feel so annoyed that I need to articulate my anger by capitalising the word PATHETIC for emphasis - PATHETIC.

The fact that I can’t work out how to add additional emphasis by bolding and capitalising the word PATHETIC on my twat of an iPhone - PATHETIC.

Enough now, I just want this disagreeably PATHETIC issue to fuck off so I can enjoy looking forward us hopefully battering Hull. UTS.

 

If you need a hand using an iPhone, I know a guy…

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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Just now, kwsaint said:

Though I’d rather go to Tehran than Middlesbrough.

The government are missing a trick - send the boat refugees arriving to Middlesbrough - they’ll be desperate to leave the UK again. 

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Adman

Adman

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1 hour ago, Nolan said:

At the moment I believe someone at Boro has massively breached GDPR rules.

Information commissioner wouldn't like this, surely.

 

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Great point. Shall we report the Hotel. Because why the fuck not.

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kwsaint

kwsaint

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3 minutes ago, Adman said:

Great point. Shall we report the Hotel. Because why the fuck not.

Yeah I’d chip in a tenner for miltonaggro to lead that charge.

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Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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12 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

The government are missing a trick - send the boat refugees arriving to Middlesbrough - they’ll be desperate to leave the UK again. 

I know when I've been there, I've been desperate to leave. Grim place.

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SaintlyAnd

SaintlyAnd

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Some bits from a chat this evening with a friend who was an analyst for various teams over the last few years, his take on things and what I can remember he said (I may paraphrase)…

- “observing” other teams training is very common and easy outside the EPL

- the 72 hour rule is something no-one worries about

- a lot of analysts know each other (or at least know of each other) across teams as they move around a lot, so the “observing” is generally tolerated as a lot of teams do it - he said something about it helps them in their careers not to say anything as it benefits them all to do it (his words were “rite of passage as an analyst”) and impress people with their work (still not sure I understood that part)

- its very unlikely the coaches/manager are involved in getting analysts to do this and break rules. He said the manager could be aware it probably happens but a junior analyst/intern would be told what to do from within the analysis department, and then turn that data/information into what the coaches want to know about. 

I’m sure there were some other points but the above were the interesting points. 

He said he feels for the intern as he’s getting hung out for something thats very common. 

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Farmer Saint

Farmer Saint

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31 minutes ago, stknowle said:

Fuck me this thing is really starting to boil my piss. It’s so PATHETIC on so many levels.

The fact we did it in the first place (if we did) when the gains are so marginal - PATHETIC

The fact we were so amateurish about it that we got caught - PATHETIC

The fact that ‘BORO are apparently so aggrieved about it - PATHETIC

The fact that they are seriously clinging to the hope that this all ends up in them being reinstated - PATHETIC

The fact that if they’re so precious about such matters they don’t even have a fence around their training pitch to avoid any possibility of it happening  - PATHETIC

The fact that if we’d been caught doing it 1 minute before the 72 hr exclusion period it would’ve all been fine but 1 minute later then not - PATHETIC

The fact it’s all over the media and being ‘seriously’ talked about that we may get expelled - PATHETIC

The fact that our post match press conferences have been ruined by questions about this fucking stupid episode whilst the excellent football matches have been basically overlooked - PATHETIC

The fact that I feel so annoyed that I need to articulate my anger by capitalising the word PATHETIC for emphasis - PATHETIC.

The fact that I can’t work out how to add additional emphasis by bolding and capitalising the word PATHETIC on my twat of an iPhone - PATHETIC.

Enough now, I just want this disagreeably PATHETIC issue to fuck off so I can enjoy looking forward us hopefully battering Hull. UTS.

 

If you could use one word to summarise the situation?

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Addict54

Addict54

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15 minutes ago, St Chalet said:

For full disclosure, I am a Houston Astros fan, we will get thorugh this....

Well that’s a bit of a curve ball but no need to bang on about it 

sadoldgit

sadoldgit

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49 minutes ago, Suhari said:

He'll be fine. Plays it right he'd make a fortune from Only Fans.

I think he has blown his chances of a job with MI5 though.

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