The Spygate Saga

[Tamesaint]

Why is everyone so convinced that Tonda will get a ban from the FA?  The FA have no rule prohibiting spying so how can he be punished by them if he has not broken an FA rule?  The EFL has a rule but we have already been punished by them for that transgression. 

The delay in any sort of announcement could well be because the FA cannot punish us for breaking a rule that doesn't exist. 

 

 

[Weston Super Saint]

3 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

Why is everyone so convinced that Tonda will get a ban from the FA?  The FA have no rule prohibiting spying so how can he be punished by them if he has not broken an FA rule?  The EFL has a rule but we have already been punished by them for that transgression. 

The delay in any sort of announcement could well be because the FA cannot punish us for breaking a rule that doesn't exist. 

 

 

The rule they are punishing Tonda for does exist.  It is rule E3.1 - bringing the game into disrepute.  I assume they are classing it as 'improper conduct' - acting in a way that harms the reputation of the sport.  I assume they can bring this charge against Tonda even though he didn't carry out the specific act as he was the manager in charge when t happened.

[Mk1J]

43 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

This is outrageous.  We should be suing the BBC as soon as possible.  They've created an article called "Nine scandals that rocked the sporting world" and Tonda's world leading criminal antics don't even get a single mention. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/ck62m2n3yezno

We can’t even be best at cheating. I wish we were Man City. 

[Tamesaint]

7 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

The rule they are punishing Tonda for does exist.  It is rule E3.1 - bringing the game into disrepute.  I assume they are classing it as 'improper conduct' - acting in a way that harms the reputation of the sport.  I assume they can bring this charge against Tonda even though he didn't carry out the specific act as he was the manager in charge when t happened.

True .... but how can it be improper if there is no rule against it and it is permissible for all the clubs under the FA's umbrella except for the 72 clubs in the EFL?

I appreciate that I am arguing over semantics but that after all is how many of our "learned friends" earn their living. I guess that is why there is currently a delay.

[Football Special]

14 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

Why is everyone so convinced that Tonda will get a ban from the FA?  The FA have no rule prohibiting spying so how can he be punished by them if he has not broken an FA rule?  The EFL has a rule but we have already been punished by them for that transgression. 

The delay in any sort of announcement could well be because the FA cannot punish us for breaking a rule that doesn't exist. 

 

 

This thread is full of posts that sound like they are informed but none of them know, they're just guessing

 

 

 

[obelisk]

10 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

True .... but how can it be improper if there is no rule against it and it is permissible for all the clubs under the FA's umbrella except for the 72 clubs in the EFL?

I appreciate that I am arguing over semantics but that after all is how many of our "learned friends" earn their living. I guess that is why there is currently a delay.

Rule E3.1 basically gives the blazers at the FA the right to do what the hell they like. If they fancied it they could charge anyone involved in football with having an incorrectly knotted tie. The irony is that the FA themselves could be accused many times of bringing the game into disrepute but the blazers are untouchable. Nevertheless, we just have to live with the fact that Tonda is going to get a good hard kicking from the FA for something that the football world in general thinks is pretty trivial.

[CB Fry]

34 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

Why is everyone so convinced that Tonda will get a ban from the FA?  The FA have no rule prohibiting spying so how can he be punished by them if he has not broken an FA rule?  The EFL has a rule but we have already been punished by them for that transgression. 

The delay in any sort of announcement could well be because the FA cannot punish us for breaking a rule that doesn't exist. 

 

 

Aaaand we're back to this again. Christ.

Yeah, there isn't a written down rule for every transgression that anyone anywhere could ever conceive of.

The rules Bringing the game into disrepute/standards/etc cover this and anything like it and lots of things not like it. Basic stuff.

[egg]

49 minutes ago, Football Special said:

This thread is full of posts that sound like they are informed but none of them know, they're just guessing.

On a forum this size, there will be and is, some people who know what's what. 

[Football Special]

10 minutes ago, egg said:

On a forum this size, there will be and is, some people who know what's what. 

Lol. Get the ITK badges out. 

I have a friend of a friend who works at Staplewood and even within the club there are conflicting rumours 

 

[Turkish]

12 minutes ago, egg said:

On a forum this size, there will be and is, some people who know what's what. 

I thought they all didn't bother anymore and you can see why?

[Patrick Bateman]

1 hour ago, Weston Super Saint said:

This is outrageous.  We should be suing the BBC as soon as possible.  They've created an article called "Nine scandals that rocked the sporting world" and Tonda's world leading criminal antics don't even get a single mention. 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/ck62m2n3yezno

9, why 9? Can't get away from the bloody media talking about the 9-0 against Leicester FFS

[hypochondriac]

12 minutes ago, Football Special said:

Lol. Get the ITK badges out. 

I have a friend of a friend who works at Staplewood and even within the club there are conflicting rumours 

 

You would think it would be pretty difficult for people to hide. Unless the decision has just been communicated to the CEO and Tonda and there's an omerta whilst they appeal. Quite clearly something is up though given the lack of communication this week. 

[SaintLondon]

Surely today is the day... 

[Football Special]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

You would think it would be pretty difficult for people to hide. Unless the decision has just been communicated to the CEO and Tonda and there's an omerta whilst they appeal. Quite clearly something is up though given the lack of communication this week. 

What communication are you looking for? There's not much on any Championship club website or social media this week other than updates on international players and some ticket news as nothing else is going on 

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, Football Special said:

What communication are you looking for? There's not much on any Championship club website or social media this week other than updates on international players and some ticket news as nothing else is going on 

Thinking back to last season, we 100% had interviews with the manager over the international breaks. I haven't seen any quotes from Tonda at all since before last Thursday and no evidence that he was at the behind closed doors game last Friday. 

[VectisSaint]

11 hours ago, suewhistle said:

Yep, 1-0 last week, but behind closed doors and no report apart from their new ex-Man Utd player scoring.

I read we lost 1-0 but nothing else. Last week people on here were saying it was this week. With all the ITKs on here it's odd that no one even mentioned it last week. I've lost faith in this place as a source of information 🤣🤣🤣

[manji]

53 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Thinking back to last season, we 100% had interviews with the manager over the international breaks. I haven't seen any quotes from Tonda at all since before last Thursday and no evidence that he was at the behind closed doors game last Friday. 

The Villa forums still pissed of they still don’t know line ups. The only definitives is the score ,name of the fella that scored, Tonda was there and Scienza played ( Leo broke embargo and mentioned it on social media.

[hypochondriac]

Just now, manji said:

The Villa forums still pissed of they still don’t know line ups. The only definitives is the score ,name of the fella that scored, Tonda was there and Scienza played ( Leo broke embargo and mentioned it on social media.

Why the secrecy? Was Tonda definitely there? That would be worth knowing.

[Bushey Saint]

2 hours ago, obelisk said:

Rule E3.1 basically gives the blazers at the FA the right to do what the hell they like. If they fancied it they could charge anyone involved in football with having an incorrectly knotted tie. The irony is that the FA themselves could be accused many times of bringing the game into disrepute but the blazers are untouchable. Nevertheless, we just have to live with the fact that Tonda is going to get a good hard kicking from the FA for something that the football world in general thinks is pretty trivial.

Sounds very much like good old Section 69 of the Army Act 1955 - "Conduct Prejudicial to Good Order and Military Discipline".  Shame that one was written out in the Armed Forces Act 2006 and Armed Forces Act 2021 as being not in line with modern principles of law and governance.

[Maggie May]

I'm not ITK but I have a hunch there will be an announcement today.

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

I'm not ITK but I have a hunch there will be an announcement today.

Probably higher chance of an announcement today given it's the end of the week. Do we really want it bleeding into game week?

[Saint_lambden]

18 minutes ago, Maggie May said:

I'm not ITK but I have a hunch there will be an announcement today.

4.59pm announcement from the FA and then quickly log off for the weekend. "We'll deal with that shit on Monday". 

[egg]

1 hour ago, Football Special said:

Lol. Get the ITK badges out. 

I have a friend of a friend who works at Staplewood and even within the club there are conflicting rumours 

 

Law of averages mate. 

It'd be a bit odd if amongst the thousands of forum users there weren't some people who have some relevant information, or relevant knowledge of the process we're in. 

[Sheaf Saint]

1 hour ago, SaintLondon said:

Surely today is the day... 

[Sheaf Saint]

18 minutes ago, Saint_lambden said:

4.59pm announcement from the FA and then quickly log off for the weekend. "We'll deal with that shit on Monday". 

Yep. The old 'chuck a grenade and run' tactic. 

[spyinthesky]

13 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Yep. The old 'chuck a grenade and run' tactic. 

But in such circumstances would the FA be 'Hoist By Their Own Petard' as originally suggested by Bill Shakespeare in the comedy 'Hamlet'!!?

[Thereisonlyonemickychannon]

4 hours ago, Tamesaint said:

Why is everyone so convinced that Tonda will get a ban from the FA?  The FA have no rule prohibiting spying so how can he be punished by them if he has not broken an FA rule?  The EFL has a rule but we have already been punished by them for that transgression. 

The delay in any sort of announcement could well be because the FA cannot punish us for breaking a rule that doesn't exist. 

 

 

Bloody good point if that is true 

[Thereisonlyonemickychannon]

2 hours ago, SaintLondon said:

Surely today is the day... 

It will be after the international break. Monday onwards

[hypochondriac]

14 minutes ago, Thereisonlyonemickychannon said:

Bloody good point if that is true 

It's not. 

[IFHP]

4 hours ago, Football Special said:

This thread is full of posts that sound like they are informed but none of them know, they're just guessing

 

 

 

One person is, they told us Tonda has a ban, part of which is suspended and that we would hear last Friday or Monday. But as we haven’t it because we’ve appealed . 

[hypochondriac]

Interesting that city have appealed on the deadline for the appeal. If we had been given the verdict and did the same wouldn't that be after the pompey game?

[Roo1976]

5 hours ago, Football Special said:

This thread is full of posts that sound like they are informed but none of them know, they're just guessing

 

 

 

just like has anyone got the numbers for tonights lottery...................

[The Kraken]

53 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Interesting that city have appealed on the deadline for the appeal. If we had been given the verdict and did the same wouldn't that be after the pompey game?

The City charge is being brought by the Premier League, not the FA, so difficult to compare the two. BBC reporting today that new PL rules state that the appeal should be heard within 12 weeks. Then the announcement within another 30 days. And that there is the feasibility of a second appeal, to appeal the severity of the sentence. So nothing is going to happen there quickly. 

Notable that the FA confirmed today that they’ll likely be having a look once the Premier League charge is sorted.

 

[hypochondriac]

12 minutes ago, The Kraken said:

The City charge is being brought by the Premier League, not the FA, so difficult to compare the two. BBC reporting today that new PL rules state that the appeal should be heard within 12 weeks. Then the announcement within another 30 days. And that there is the feasibility of a second appeal, to appeal the severity of the sentence. So nothing is going to happen there quickly. 

Notable that the FA confirmed today that they’ll likely be having a look once the Premier League charge is sorted.

 

I'm aware.

[Paul Chuckle]

Alfie House has put on X that he isn't expecting an update today

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

6 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

The rule they are punishing Tonda for does exist.  It is rule E3.1 - bringing the game into disrepute.  I assume they are classing it as 'improper conduct' - acting in a way that harms the reputation of the sport.  I assume they can bring this charge against Tonda even though he didn't carry out the specific act as he was the manager in charge when t happened.

Yeah, but, Saints (or Tonda) haven't brought the game in to disrepute. Nobody would have been the wiser of Boro hadn't grassed. So, technically, they're the ones who should be punished.

Case closed, your honour.