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Seen this on YouTube:

 

seems to get on the end of a few knock downs here. Think we should also be looking for the bloke to provide those chances 

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6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

We’d take £25m.

I would think so.  Still a long way to go, and chances are, some of our lads are “Option #3 or #4” for buying clubs.

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1 hour ago, lambtiss said:

I’d be delighted if he was the Damian Downs replacement and we are still looking at a Ross Stewart replacement 

Let's be serious for a second. We aren't likely to be buying the Azaz alternative for 9 million and this bloke for similar and then also buying a Stewart replacement.

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8 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Let's be serious for a second. We aren't likely to be buying the Azaz alternative for 9 million and this bloke for similar and then also buying a Stewart replacement.

Unless Archer, Downs and BBD have new homes 

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Posted
Just now, Badger said:

Not a ringing endorsement is it ?

But several seem to think he might do okay and be better in his second season 

Yeah, not a ringing endorsement but a mixed bag overall. Common theme seems to be they appreciate his team play and work rate but he does tend to fluff chances when they fall to him. He obviously got better as the season went on based on their comments and the fact McKenna dropped Hirst and was starting Azon during the run-in

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Posted
40 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

So we signing the Spanish che Adams then?

If he's anything like the Adams we had in the promotion season we're in luck.

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Posted
57 minutes ago, Starksj1995 said:

Not when it’s north of 35M not a chance we don’t bail out as we’ve seen on sc 

We aren't getting £35m for a 28 year old Championship player. We'd take £25m.

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Posted (edited)
39 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

has good stats - https://scoutingstats.ai/player/iván-azón-37332149/

think he just needs to develop more and get more goals, could be underpriced at mo

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Yes for sure he’s young hungry and therefore guaranteed to improve. Plus if you do the math he’s a goal every other game kind of guy. With Tonda waving his magic wand he’s going to cook bro seems a baller 

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Convict Colony said:

cook is so last year mate.

He's got elite rizz and aura 

Why you rage baiting bro? In da Mandem cook is still peak glazing

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Posted

Live in Suffolk so seen a bit of Azon.

 

Id be underwhelmed really for that price. Id take a loan. A pest, handful, presence but pretty crap and wastes chances. Overall a material downgrade on Stewart but able to play 90 twice a week. Easy to forget he's still young tho as looks about 36

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Posted
18 minutes ago, chownie20 said:

Live in Suffolk so seen a bit of Azon.

 

Id be underwhelmed really for that price. Id take a loan. A pest, handful, presence but pretty crap and wastes chances. Overall a material downgrade on Stewart but able to play 90 twice a week. Easy to forget he's still young tho as looks about 36

Do you think he is "pretty crap" because he "wastes chances" or for other reasons? 

I can live with wasting chances in tbe short term. Form can be improved as can confidence and also ability. 

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32 minutes ago, chownie20 said:

Live in Suffolk so seen a bit of Azon.

 

Id be underwhelmed really for that price. Id take a loan. A pest, handful, presence but pretty crap and wastes chances. Overall a material downgrade on Stewart but able to play 90 twice a week. Easy to forget he's still young tho as looks about 36

Yeah, have to say I’m not overly impressed by this guy at that price - looks very average. You can pick up a ‘pest/handful/presence’ type player in L1 who will ultimately be useless in front of goal. This guy doesn’t seem to have any ball skills…just an overrated poacher and nowhere near Stewart or Larins level.

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For a team that is running out of parachute payments, and that certainly has some  expensive players that we want to move on, we do seem to be spending big .

Posted
3 minutes ago, Teamsaint1 said:

For a team that is running out of parachute payments, and that certainly has some  expensive players that we want to move on, we do seem to be spending big .

Dragon promised he'd give us a team to be proud of after the spygate debacle.

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Posted (edited)
12 hours ago, Badger said:

Not a ringing endorsement is it ?

But several seem to think he might do okay and be better in his second season 

I thought it was quite balanced and actually very promising. There is clearly a player in there and they can see the potential.

He's going to get chances galore playing in our side, Larin will be able to directly mentor him, and we will be flat track bullies vs most of the league. Ipswich had a fantastic squad last season - probably too many options if anything - but it says a lot that as the season went on and we got into the run in, he was getting more and more game time. Another year in the championship, already with experience of the division and aclimatised to the UK more, and you can only expect him to get better in all seriousness.

Possibly slightly expensive for where we are (which adds a bit of risk), but you can see what we're buying here.

Some interesting / positive quotes from that Ipswich thread:

  • "The annoying thing is that he will have benefitted massively from last season with us & he knows the league now. He will be a much better player for them than he was with us."
  • "I have never been more sure of a player turning in to a goal machine. All those chances he missed for us will fly in for Spain"
  • "If it clicks for him, he could be a great signing for them. I see a lot going for Azon's game, and he was a gnat's pen1s away from being a great success here last season, rather than 'meh'."
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22 minutes ago, MarkSFC said:

Do you think he is "pretty crap" because he "wastes chances" or for other reasons? 

I can live with wasting chances in tbe short term. Form can be improved as can confidence and also ability. 

Yeah just generally, not great technically, too small to be a real aerial threat, not particularly quick, not clinical, trying to think who Id like him to. Just a bit of a pest really. Che Adams perhaps, but less physical?

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48 minutes ago, Teamsaint1 said:

For a team that is running out of parachute payments, and that certainly has some  expensive players that we want to move on, we do seem to be spending big .

Sell Charles or Scienza and we're basically break even, plus ofc the Fernandes £6M. PSR is done. We're on SCR now, so its just a case of being balanced for this season, and Peretz and Larin were signed last season under PSR with a reduced hit on SCR as a result - we've got a £15M drop in parachute monies to consider, we've shift a significant amount of the wage bill (Macca and Aribo will have seen something like £3M-5M per year alone i reckon), and technically Dragan can top us up by £10M per season if he wants to - plus its been widely stated that we've sorted out our wage bill and will be in a much stronger position in the years to come after the seasons of wasted wages and past transfer installments are cleared.

We are not that badly off - any sales we make will be at a significant profit, our recruitment under Spors seems pretty damn solid, and we already have a very good team and manager for this level. There is lots to be optimistic about, and only the Eckert decision to worry about.

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To me Azon looks to be Larins Cover.

Good hold up play to allow attacking runs, better finishing can be taught at his age. 

 

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4 minutes ago, CSA96 said:

 

I'll be amazed if he doesn't go this summer, despite Dragan's comments.

Would love it if we kept him: bloody love it.

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Posted
25 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

He may be attracting interest but he isn’t a £30-£35M player - supposedly the fee we’d be after. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I get a bit narky about player values. They have a pure accountancy book value but beyond that value is wholly subjective. I’m not digging you out because I think your point is more 30-35 mil does not reflect ‘market value’ given things like Leo’s age and limited top level experience - which is fair. My big however is, his value is absolutely defined by at what price we are willing to sell and somebody meeting it. 
 

If I were a Como fan and the club spent £30mil or more on Leo I would be concerned.
 

But from a Saints perspective Leo may genuinely be so important to us we would only want to sell for a fee that is above a perceived ‘market value’. IMO Leo has X factor on the pitch that is really hard to replace especially without the offer of premier league football. His attitude off the pitch is also brilliant and I would suggest contributes to the strength of character the team showed in our run last season. He’s also well loved by the fans - I think a fan connection with the team is important and helps though it’s a hard one to quantify.

 

if the club sold Leo for £25 mil I would be disappointed but understand. Though I can see a world where we refuse to sell this year unless the money is OTT.

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36 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

He may be attracting interest but he isn’t a £30-£35M player - supposedly the fee we’d be after. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I think differently. He's stepped up every time. Can see a premier League side coughing up £25m with add-ons. Getting to £30m.

Palace will have Europa League to contend with so do need to buy in.

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23 minutes ago, UpweySaint said:

I get a bit narky about player values. They have a pure accountancy book value but beyond that value is wholly subjective. I’m not digging you out because I think your point is more 30-35 mil does not reflect ‘market value’ given things like Leo’s age and limited top level experience - which is fair. My big however is, his value is absolutely defined by at what price we are willing to sell and somebody meeting it. 
 

If I were a Como fan and the club spent £30mil or more on Leo I would be concerned.
 

But from a Saints perspective Leo may genuinely be so important to us we would only want to sell for a fee that is above a perceived ‘market value’. IMO Leo has X factor on the pitch that is really hard to replace especially without the offer of premier league football. His attitude off the pitch is also brilliant and I would suggest contributes to the strength of character the team showed in our run last season. He’s also well loved by the fans - I think a fan connection with the team is important and helps though it’s a hard one to quantify.

 

if the club sold Leo for £25 mil I would be disappointed but understand. Though I can see a world where we refuse to sell this year unless the money is OTT.

I suspect 2 big sales will be made this summer. Maybe one if we are lucky (Charles). Those will likely come out of Chalres, THB, Scienza, and Jander - the reality is that we look to be signing Dobbin, which means we do (on paper) have cover for Scienza.

We look like this currently:
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All in all, its quite balanced and should be competitive for the season. The issue will come with further sales and who we replace them with.

I assume we will see the following leave:

  • Archer
  • Ramsdale
  • Edozie (subtract to contract, he could be retained - he gives us good depth on the wing)
  • BBD (although i think he could do a job as  CF for us)

Youth players like sesay, Williams, Oyekunle i don't expect to see much off (hope to be surprised) - so have excluded.

Edit - i guess we could potentially keep Edozie and use him on the right, with Matsuki being played centrally as cover for Bragg/downes/Jander in the absence of charles?
 

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7 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

I suspect 2 big sales will be made this summer. Those will likely come out of Chalres, THB, Scienza, and Jander - the reality is that we look to be signing Dobbin, which means we do (on paper) have cover for Scienza.

We will also presumably see Ramsdale move on for a small fee (and crucially shift his wasges).

Keeping THB and Jander is key for me.

 

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20 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

I suspect 2 big sales will be made this summer. Maybe one if we are lucky (Charles). Those will likely come out of Chalres, THB, Scienza, and Jander - the reality is that we look to be signing Dobbin, which means we do (on paper) have cover for Scienza.

We look like this currently:
image.thumb.png.1d0f93db5dc68fe4aa6edcce83956e6e.png

All in all, its quite balanced and should be competitive for the season. The issue will come with further sales and who we replace them with.

I assume we will see the following leave:

  • Archer
  • Ramsdale
  • Edozie (subtract to contract, he could be retained - he gives us good depth on the wing)
  • BBD (although i think he could do a job as  CF for us)

Youth players like sesay, Williams, Oyekunle i don't expect to see much off (hope to be surprised) - so have excluded.

Edit - i guess we could potentially keep Edozie and use him on the right, with Matsuki being played centrally as cover for Bragg/downes/Jander in the absence of charles?
 

In my opinion it would be a mistake to keep Baznu at the club.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, saintant said:

In my opinion it would be a mistake to keep Baznu at the club.

Doubt he will be, and won’t want to be #3 to Daniel and George Long.

MLS move wouldn’t surprise me, minimal/low fee and dump the wages with a year of his deal left to go. 

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16 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Keeping THB and Jander is key for me.

 

Still expecting THB to go if someone meets Dragan’s asking price, not that I want him to. Jandar and seemingly Leo have admirers too.

Shea most likely to go but not all of them will.

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2 hours ago, chownie20 said:

Yeah just generally, not great technically, too small to be a real aerial threat, not particularly quick, not clinical, trying to think who Id like him to. Just a bit of a pest really. Che Adams perhaps, but less physical?

so you're saying he lacks skill, height, physicality, pace and finishing...hmm, you're not really selling him to me.

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1 hour ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

He may be attracting interest but he isn’t a £30-£35M player - supposedly the fee we’d be after. 🤷🏻‍♂️

“£100m for Dibling” brings to mind.

A fair few of those clubs could go £25m+

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That Werder Bremen link now looks like agent talk. Too similar to Dobbin.

I also think that Spanish forward link is bollocks. Fabrizio is a bit of a fraud - he’s been called out in the last year or so.

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13 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

That Werder Bremen link now looks like agent talk. Too similar to Dobbin.

I also think that Spanish forward link is bollocks. Fabrizio is a bit of a fraud - he’s been called out in the last year or so.

I don't think it's bollocks but I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't a backup option.

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Posted
46 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Doubt he will be, and won’t want to be #3 to Daniel and George Long.

Is Long going to be our #2? He looked really poor. 

Posted
3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I don't think it's bollocks but I wouldn't be surprised if he is a backup option.

Yeah seems like a fairly genuine link.  Price seems to be the only thing that doesn't really make sense and 7.5 - 8M is too high for a player bought by Como for 1.5M who hasn't played for them and didn't set the world alight at Ipswich last season.  On a long contract 'till 2029 but I would have thought 5M tops would get him and can't imagine many other clubs busting a gut to buy him.  Hopefully only one of a number of players we're looking at.

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