Tonda Eckert

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1 hour ago, Sheaf Saint said:

No, it's not. It would still be a breach of rule 3.4 regarding acting in good faith to other teams. 

So is publically shaming and humiliating another team repeatedly in the national press, but nothing's happening about that is it.

[Starksj1995]

4 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

Why dress the analyst up in Eastleigh gear?

That was fake no one went to Eastleigh fc

[Starksj1995]

3 hours ago, Maggie May said:

Spying is legal in England, too, just not 72 hours before a game.

The efl is the only leagues in the world where you can’t do it 

[Lee On Solent Saint]

4 hours ago, Nordic Saint said:

It's more likely he was the Me in The Spy Who Shagged Me

Actually, if he's getting to shag Liz Hurley it's a pretty good gig

[Whitey Grandad]

1 hour ago, badgerx16 said:

The rejected first draft of an Elvis Costello song ?

More Ed Sheeran perhaps. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

3 hours ago, trousers said:

Whilst it's plausible, I wouldn't say it's "clear"...

I've worked in the same line of business for 40 years and I'm buggered if I know all the industry rules and regs that we should be abiding by... Far from it... Day to day you just do what you feel is OK and get on with it 

I've been driving for a similar period of time, but do I know all 307 rules in the highway code? No, of course not...

(Yes, I know, analogies were never my strongest suit... )

 

That was a scary opening to read. "What kind of industry?!" 🙂

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, sadoldgit said:

course not but the worst you are likely to get is a yellow card, not a £200m sanction.

Who got a £200m sanction? 

[Weston Super Saint]

21 minutes ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

Who got a £200m sanction? 

Boro 😎

[Thereisonlyonemickychannon]

40 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Boro 😎

Borough the whinging cry babies who want blood. Now they will get Tonda and Saints to fuck them over on the pitch

[saintant]

The statements from Dragan and Tonda have reignited the pile on from sanctimonious journos and pundits with few exceptions. They clearly aren't satisfied with their pound of flesh from our expulsion from the Play-Off Final and don't see that as sufficient punishment for what has been built up to be the worst crime in the history of football. Their full focus has now turned to an almost universal baying for Tonda to receive a lengthy ban. I fear the continued witch hunt is likely to lead to a lengthy ban for Eckert from the FA and wouldn't be surprised to see him banned from English football. The mob have worked themselves up into another frenzy and the FA will probably be swayed by the public outcry led by Henry Winter, the BBC, Talk Sport and MSM.

Edited yesterday at 21:33 by saintant

[BallBoy]

5 hours ago, Badger said:

Mention of Mourinho (not aware of anything to do with Schneiderlin, but remember the Dr), and Ferguson.

You can add Clough to that list as well, some players now would be traumatised by him. Great story on Youtube how he gave one player the nickname 'shithouse', and saw him at the local park whilst he (Clough) was walking his dog. Player (might have been Crossley) said he just heard Clough from the other side of the park yelling " hey shithouse .., alright son ?'

My poor memory tells me that Mourinho froze out Schneiderlin at Man Utd. His career never recovered. When it happened I remember thinking "he does this wherever he goes". Likes to make an example of someone to demonstrate his authority. 

[Harry_SFC]

30 minutes ago, saintant said:

The statements from Dragan and Tonda have reignited the pile on from sanctimonious journos and pundits with few exceptions. They clearly aren't satisfied with their pound of flesh from our expulsion from the Play-Off Final and don't see that as sufficient punishment for what has been built up to be the worst crime in the history of football. Their full focus has now turned to an almost universal baying for Tonda to receive a lengthy ban. I fear the continued witch hunt is likely to lead to a lengthy ban for Eckert from the FA and wouldn't be surprised to see him banned from English football. The mob have worked themselves up into another frenzy and the FA will probably be swayed by the public outcry led by Henry Winter, the BBC, Talk Sport and MSM.

Alfie House made a good point on TSP earlier. Players have been banned for 6-8 games for biting and racially abusing opponents. Yet we spy on a few training sessions and get kicked out of the richest game on football, a points deduction AND our manager potentially banned for 6-12 months!? Football is in the gutter these days. Absolutely ridiculous. 

[Southner]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c5ye2m00y5ro

"...One of the most respected and influential coaches in the game, and that reputation has been earned from his borderline obsessive dedication to preparation for every single match he oversees..."

Tonda, meanwhile, whilst at the beginning of his career, is the devil. 

[saintant]

4 minutes ago, Southner said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c5ye2m00y5ro

"...One of the most respected and influential coaches in the game, and that reputation has been earned from his borderline obsessive dedication to preparation for every single match he oversees..."

Tonda, meanwhile, whilst at the beginning of his career, is the devil. 

Double standards. Only skim read the article but couldn't see any mention of systematic spying on other clubs instigated by Bielsa whist at Leeds.

[Southner]

Just now, saintant said:

Double standards. Only skim read the article but couldn't see any mention of systematic spying on other clubs instigated by Bielsa whist at Leeds.

Indeed no mention of it.

[iansums]

22 hours ago, trousers said:

Whilst it's plausible, I wouldn't say it's "clear"...

I've worked in the same line of business for 40 years and I'm buggered if I know all the industry rules and regs that we should be abiding by... Far from it... Day to day you just do what you feel is OK and get on with it 

I've been driving for a similar period of time, but do I know all 307 rules in the highway code? No, of course not...

(Yes, I know, analogies were never my strongest suit... )

 

I'm fairly sure buggery in the workplace is against the rules.

[Zorba]

4 minutes ago, iansums said:

I'm fairly sure buggery in the workplace is against the rules.

Don’t be so neanderthal. It’s the 2020s for God’s sake!

[Saint86]

17 hours ago, saintant said:

The statements from Dragan and Tonda have reignited the pile on from sanctimonious journos and pundits with few exceptions. They clearly aren't satisfied with their pound of flesh from our expulsion from the Play-Off Final and don't see that as sufficient punishment for what has been built up to be the worst crime in the history of football. Their full focus has now turned to an almost universal baying for Tonda to receive a lengthy ban. I fear the continued witch hunt is likely to lead to a lengthy ban for Eckert from the FA and wouldn't be surprised to see him banned from English football. The mob have worked themselves up into another frenzy and the FA will probably be swayed by the public outcry led by Henry Winter, the BBC, Talk Sport and MSM.

I can't see them being able to do it though. He's admitted that he condoned analysts scouting the 3 sides - but its not black and white that it was a formal instruction to them breaking rules doing it.

• For the boro one, the official club line is that the intern was requested to go up on the Monday and went later that instructed, meaning he breached the window.
• For Ipswich/Eastleigh one, the official club line is that someone got hold of the CCTV footage and when it started being shown, Eckert immediately instructed that it was turned off and not used.
• For Oxford, the details are vague re formal instruction and timing, but its acknowledged that we did send someone to scout their training to figure out the likely formation.

So 1 offence where potentially Eckert gave an instruction to the analyst team to scout inside the 72hour window (again - we don't know the timing of when, or whether he was formally instructed to do it inside the window).

That's the actual hard evidence in this whole thing. 2 incidents of analysts being where they shouldn't have been inside 72hours, and 1 incident involving CCTV being given to saints that we are on record as refusing to use.

There isn't a single shred of evidence of Eckert applying pressure or bullying the "junior" (intern). The messages we have seen are actually from more senior / comparable members of the analyst team to the "junior" intern, stuff like "manager loved it" etc.

Even the verbal evidence after the fact makes absolutely no mention of Eckert as pressuring the junior staff. And Eckert's message doesn't reference this either.

So in reality, the FA would be giving Eckert a banning order for instructing the oxford scouting incident... which may, or may not, have been an official request to break rules from Eckert, or may in fact have been the analysts collectively doing it inside the window themselves. Ditto the whole Boro affair... and doubly so for that one if they were originally instructed and planned to go up earlier in the week...

The whole thing is an incredible storm in a teacup, it is mental how we've managed to handle it so badly and screw ourselves over the way we have.

And re Adam Blackmore, he wants to be the club journalist for the BBC, and to run around attacking the club and Eckert from behind his microphone... well, if he thinks his stance is justified, he better get off his backside, do some journalism, and come up with evidence that categorically demonstrates the things he's claiming. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Saint86

[saintant]

7 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

I can't see them being able to do it though. He's admitted that he condoned analysts scouting the 3 sides - but its not black and white that it was a formal instruction to them breaking rules doing it.

• For the boro one, the official club line is that the intern was requested to go up on the Monday and went later that instructed, meaning he breached the window.
• For Ipswich/Eastleigh one, the official club line is that someone got hold of the CCTV footage and when it started being shown, Eckert immediately instructed that it was turned off and not used.
• For Oxford, the details are vague re formal instruction and timing, but its acknowledged that we did send someone to scout their training to figure out the likely formation.

So 1 offence where potentially Eckert gave an instruction to the analyst team to scout inside the 72hour window (again - we don't know the timing of when, or whether he was formally instructed to do it inside the window).

That's the actual hard evidence in this whole thing. 2 incidents of analysts being where they shouldn't have been inside 72hours, and 1 incident involving CCTV being given to saints that we are on record as refusing to use.

There isn't a single shred of evidence of evidence of Eckert applying pressure or bullying the "junior" (intern). The messages we have seen are actually from more senior / comparable members of the analyst team to the "junior" intern, stuff like "manager loved it" etc.

Even the verbal evidence after the fact makes absolutely no mention of Eckert as pressuring the junior staff. And Eckert's message doesn't reference this either.

So in reality, the FA would be giving Eckert a banning order for instructing the oxford scouting incident... which may, or may not, have been an official request to break rules from Eckert, or may in fact have been the analysts collectively doing it inside the window themselves. Ditto the whole Boro affair... and doubly so for that one if they were originally instructed and planned to go up earlier in the week...

The whole thing is an incredible storm in a teacup, it is mental how we've managed to handle it so badly and screw ourselves over the way we have.

And re Adam Blackmore, if he wants to be a club journalist and run around attacking the club and Eckert from behind his microphone, if he thinks his stance is justified, he better get off his backside, do some journalism, and come up with evidence that categorically demonstrates the things he's claiming.

I hear what you say but wind back a few weeks and how many of us were expecting to be expelled from the Play Off Final?

[Wade Garrett]

16 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

I can't see them being able to do it though. He's admitted that he condoned analysts scouting the 3 sides - but its not black and white that it was a formal instruction to them breaking rules doing it.

• For the boro one, the official club line is that the intern was requested to go up on the Monday and went later that instructed, meaning he breached the window.
• For Ipswich/Eastleigh one, the official club line is that someone got hold of the CCTV footage and when it started being shown, Eckert immediately instructed that it was turned off and not used.
• For Oxford, the details are vague re formal instruction and timing, but its acknowledged that we did send someone to scout their training to figure out the likely formation.

So 1 offence where potentially Eckert gave an instruction to the analyst team to scout inside the 72hour window (again - we don't know the timing of when, or whether he was formally instructed to do it inside the window).

That's the actual hard evidence in this whole thing. 2 incidents of analysts being where they shouldn't have been inside 72hours, and 1 incident involving CCTV being given to saints that we are on record as refusing to use.

There isn't a single shred of evidence of Eckert applying pressure or bullying the "junior" (intern). The messages we have seen are actually from more senior / comparable members of the analyst team to the "junior" intern, stuff like "manager loved it" etc.

Even the verbal evidence after the fact makes absolutely no mention of Eckert as pressuring the junior staff. And Eckert's message doesn't reference this either.

So in reality, the FA would be giving Eckert a banning order for instructing the oxford scouting incident... which may, or may not, have been an official request to break rules from Eckert, or may in fact have been the analysts collectively doing it inside the window themselves. Ditto the whole Boro affair... and doubly so for that one if they were originally instructed and planned to go up earlier in the week...

The whole thing is an incredible storm in a teacup, it is mental how we've managed to handle it so badly and screw ourselves over the way we have.

And re Adam Blackmore, he wants to be the club journalist for the BBC, and to run around attacking the club and Eckert from behind his microphone... well, if he thinks his stance is justified, he better get off his backside, do some journalism, and come up with evidence that categorically demonstrates the things he's claiming. 

I thought we admitted spying on Ipswich.

[Bit of a plonker]

I would assume the rules available to the FA now are the same ones available when Bielsa spied, on a far wider scale, at Leeds.  The FA didn’t give him any sanction so would be a huge leap from them to start handing out bans now

[trousers]

1 minute ago, Bit of a plonker said:

I would assume the rules available to the FA now are the same ones available when Bielsa spied, on a far wider scale, at Leeds.  The FA didn’t give him any sanction so would be a huge leap from them to start handing out bans now

 

[BARCELONASAINT]

1 hour ago, iansums said:

I'm fairly sure buggery in the workplace is against the rules.

Since when?

[Badger]

2 hours ago, iansums said:

I'm fairly sure buggery in the workplace is against the rules.

Not in Skatesmouth. Good naval tradition and all that. 

[31cc]

28 minutes ago, Badger said:

Not in Skatesmouth. Good naval tradition and all that. 

[pimpin4rizeal]

I honestly feel we should be favourites for the league with tonda still here .clubs like West Ham are gonna have to shift a ton of players with their wage bill . We in the other hand should hit the ground running the 20 game unbeaten run rolls on media and other teams can hate all they want that will probably spur us on more I’m so glad the club backed tonda we are in this together and loyalty we showed in him maybe he will pay back and stay with us for a long time hapoy days  😃

[LiberalCommunist]

If the majority of our players feel the same injustice some of us do, we will do just fine.

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

8 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said:

honestly feel we should be favourites for the league with tonda still here

That’ll depend on who stays/signs. I’ll be amazed if we’re favourites, it’s going to be a tough tough league next season. One thing I’ll guarantee, there won’t be pony sides like Millwall, Boro or Hull in the play offs. This season was a massive opportunity, which we fucked right up. 

[Saint86]

3 hours ago, Wade Garrett said:

I thought we admitted spying on Ipswich.

Sounds like we've admitted that someone got hold of the CCTV footage. Eckert states in his recent video that the footage wasn't used - it would be beyond stupid for this to be a lie given its now a permanent video record that will need to align with the EFL evidence.

There was no mention of the rumored spying by our analysts at Eastleigh's stadium dressed in Eastleigh kits - so sounds like that was just more media BS as part of the whipped up witch hunt.

[AlexLaw76]

5 minutes ago, Saint86 said:

Sounds like we've admitted that someone got hold of the CCTV footage. Eckert states in his recent video that the footage wasn't used - it would be beyond stupid for this to be a lie given its now a permanent video record that will need to align with the EFL evidence.

There was no mention of the rumored spying by our analysts at Eastleigh's stadium dressed in Eastleigh kits - so sounds like that was just more media BS as part of the whipped up witch hunt.

So, spying then

[beatlesaint]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

it’s going to be a tough tough league next season. One thing I’ll guarantee, there won’t be pony sides like Millwall, Boro or Hull in the play offs.

There might be, it goes down to 8th place remember 

[Saint86]

8 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

So, spying then

Well yes - if we intentionally did it and if we ultimately used it, but not in the same way as an analyst being instructed to go over there, watch and record etc. Sounds more like our analyst team were a law unto themselves - and in that instance had some contacts with Eastleigh and got hold of the CCTV. In a similar vein to Middelsbrough getting hold of the golf club's security footage and transaction details.

Or to put it another way, i doubt very much that Tonda was on named terms with the Eastleigh security team and told our analysts to go and collect their cctv footage. Similarly, i doubt the first team coach instructed a team of hackers to get it illegally - or do you disagree? 😅

Could have had some interesting ramifications for Eastliegh i guess - i.e., if we had beaten Ipswich and it had been discovered after they missed out on promotion. Although you'd then have the whole debate over whether or not we used it (we're saying we didn't), and whether it had an impact.

Edited 2 hours ago by Saint86

[Whitey Grandad]

4 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

So, spying then

Not if you don't look at it