ozzmeister Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 I mentioned this on another thread and thought it could provoke some decent discussion. Now this will be way out there. If we did go down who would appose Adams as our manager? I assume he lives in the area (to some degree) and the fact is that we would be at the sort of level and the sort of club (history/potential/facilities) which may encourage a young up and coming to have ago and learn the ropes? Yes he was a skate, and yes his record isnt great. However he's hungry to succees, he has had a bash and taken some knocks, he has worked under coaches in Holland and England, knows the lower divisions and has some new thinking sports psycology behind him. Could do alot worst in my opinion!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 No HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 He gets Pennant in on loan then immediately plays him down the middle whilst keeping Nugent out wide. Thanks but no thanks. He's clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzmeister Posted 10 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 February, 2009 Did Nugent score in that match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 His record at Wycombe Stunk His record at Skates stunk (although I had no problem with this) The donkey is a shyte manager. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 I think that as far as Saints are concerned, the time for experiments or letting someone learn the ropes is over. Good luck to Agent Adams, as his first assignment it was almost a success! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 It's a NO to Adams for me. He's a good Asst Manager, and would be a good defensive coach ... but not as a No 1 Manager. Sadly it hasn't worked for him at any club he has managed. His main grievance at Pompey was not having money to spend, so he would not be a good fit for us. All the best, Tony, but not at our club. I'm sure you'd agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Block 5 Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 No thanks Tony............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 Does he really have the nous to manage? Seems like a decent bloke but being a good defender qualifies him to manage how exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 No thanks Tony............... Please don't do that just as I'm drinking a mug of tea! Things get very messy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 Oh, I thought you meant Micky Adams. No to Tony Adams - he just does not strike me as a motivator (and his track record appears to back that up). For the record, I do not think we will be relegated and even if we did, I suspect Wotte would keep his job for at least half a season. So many ifs, but if we were relegated and if we were looking for a manager, Mick might be an option in div One - its about his level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 Oh, I thought you meant Micky Adams. No to Tony Adams - he just does not strike me as a motivator (and his track record appears to back that up). For the record, I do not think we will be relegated and even if we did, I suspect Wotte would keep his job for at least half a season. So many ifs, but if we were relegated and if we were looking for a manager, Mick might be an option in div One - its about his level. Mind if I ask why you think this? Not being funny, but I see no way out of this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanh Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 You mean Tony, not Mickey? Not much to discuss really, he's simply not cut out to be a manager - doesn't carry himself like a manager in front of the cameras, and doesn't seem to be able to motivate a team. He will complain that the team was sold around him, but in reality he had a squad good enough to pick up far more points than they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzmeister Posted 10 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 10 February, 2009 Yes for the record i did mean Tony. Mods if you could change title??? Interetsed in the comments and enjoying the non Lowe discussion for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoccerMom Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 Does he really have the nous to manage? Seems like a decent bloke but being a good defender qualifies him to manage how exactly? Might have said that about another of our recent managers... or two. And no, not referring to NP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 Oh, did you not mean Grizzly?? I retract it all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 I thought we were talking about Bryan, to fill the summer concert slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 With a win rate at the skates of 18% and only slightly better at a lowly Wycombe of just under 23% it's a definate no for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 Only if he can play right back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfc6mufc3 Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 "could do alot worse" you say from that comment you must be a skate or Tony Adams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 Is Adams better than Wotte? Yes. Is there better than Adams out there? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketphilly Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 With a win rate at the skates of 18% and only slightly better at a lowly Wycombe of just under 23% it's a definate no for me. Too high for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourno Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 Micky yes Tony No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 With a win rate at the skates of 18% and only slightly better at a lowly Wycombe of just under 23% it's a definate no for me. Slightly off-t but I love the fact that Chelsea: Sacked Jose with a win-ratio of 71% Sacked Grant with a win ratio of 67% Sacked Big Phil after his 36 games including 20 wins and 11 draws... Kind of puts our standards into perspective I'm afraid.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 The phrase "good coach, god awful manager" was made for him. Please don't let him anywhere near our club other than in a coaching capacity. NP will turn out to be a much better manager IMO. Adams lacks the level of self-discipline and self-motivation needed by a good manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 He has the personality of a brick wall...............no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaMarlin Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 You mean Tony, not Mickey? Not much to discuss really, he's simply not cut out to be a manager - doesn't carry himself like a manager in front of the cameras, and doesn't seem to be able to motivate a team. He will complain that the team was sold around him, but in reality he had a squad good enough to pick up far more points than they did. He also inherited a squad having a major collective sulk at the loss of their mentor and guru. Motivating players is an interesting subject. you would think that a good manager, worth his salt would be able to motivate his players, but you only have to look at Scolari to realise that if primadonna players are not getting their way, they group together like a load of spoiled showgirls and complain to the chairman. Can you imagine any of Brian Clough's, Bob Paisley's or even Sir Alex Ferguson's players bleating to the chairman? More to the point, what sort of chairman listens to players and acts on their complaints? Players have all the power these days. If they don't get their own way, they threaten to go on strike until they get a move, or find some other way to hold their employers to ransom. A good, strong chairman would tell whingeing players to get lost. Perhaps it's something about Russian owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lettuce Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 Micky yes Tony No Gerry yes (even he'd be better than wotte we've gotte at the moment!) :smt022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 He also inherited a squad having a major collective sulk at the loss of their mentor and guru. And here again we fall upon the eternal question of Harry Redknapp. His system is like a Welsh Mountain Railway, one track, has a lot of ups and downs and is basic and dirty. But like the said WMR, it gets to where it's supposed to eventually. However if any other train tries to use it, it doesn't fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 His record at Wycombe Stunk His record at Skates stunk (although I had no problem with this) The donkey is a shyte manager. No thanks. Slightly crude in the delivery perhaps WA but the underlying facts are spot on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 No way. I just don't like the guy's tactics, and he's proven at both Wycombe and Pompey that he's not up to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 Micky yes Tony No funny thing is that by the the club is ready to accept micky adams his career is down the pan and he's still too good for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonist Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 -the +time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack rill Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 No way. I just don't like the guy's tactics, and he's proven at both Wycombe and Pompey that he's not up to it. Just don't understand you fiddlers.....You were quick enough to grab old satchel chops off us.:smt047 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 Just don't understand you fiddlers.....You were quick enough to grab old satchel chops off us.:smt047 Yes and look where that got us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 Just don't understand you fiddlers.....You were quick enough to grab old satchel chops off us.:smt047 I don't understand the blue few. How many times has he walked out on you? And you'll welcome him back again once Spuds sack him and you're back in the CCC:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 He's been a complete failure in every management job hes had ... he'd fit right in here then =] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha....no more i cant take it ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa......tony adams? ha ha ha ....you want tony adams as our manager? ha ha ha ha ha ha.........no more please! that useless donkey? ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 Is Adams better than Wotte? Yes. Is there better than Adams out there? Yes. we know Adams is a failed manager, at least Wotte hasn't proven that yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WheresRory Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 Adams seems a genuinely nice bloke and not many of those (Ted is an obvious exception) make great managers. I think he's far too honest and will go on to be a great coach (probably after another managerial failure). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 Funny how many of us immediately thought the thread was about Micky rather than Tony. I am developing a yearning for Micky. Previously I had always reckoned that we could do better than him, but now I'm leaning towards a position that we could do a lot worse than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 Here's an amusing piece on Adams from yesterday's Grauniad - written before he bit the Skate dust. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2009/feb/09/martin-kelner-tony-adams-blog-portsmouth I think the comments about Adams' persona are spot on; while I'm not of the opinion that managing footballers is all about scaring them, you do need to be able to inspire and motivate. A brief view of Tony Adams being interviewed, or acting as a pundit, was all it took to convince me that motivating and inspiration are never gong to be his strong points. Maybe it's a result of all the recovery and therapy, but the way he comes across seems a million miles removed from the way he was as a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fowllyd Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 And here again we fall upon the eternal question of Harry Redknapp. His system is like a Welsh Mountain Railway, one track, has a lot of ups and downs and is basic and dirty. But like the said WMR, it gets to where it's supposed to eventually. However if any other train tries to use it, it doesn't fit. Nice analogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brmbrm Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 we know Adams is a failed manager, at least Wotte hasn't proven that yet! Hmmm. Depends what you mean by "proof". "Beyond all reasonable doubt"? I think I can find you a few juries who would convict on the evidence to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Ron fan Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 Anyone who read Tony Adams' columns for the London Standard during Euro 2004, which were meant to comment on the tactical side of the tournament, would have realised that he would be totally inept at management. For the quarter-final, he was saying that England should leave out Rooney and play Owen as a lone striker, amongst lots of other garbage!! Quite surprising really, as he played under such tactically astute managers as Graham and Wenger. Mind you, he did play under Graham Taylor and Hoddle too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 Anyone who read Tony Adams' columns for the London Standard during Euro 2004, which were meant to comment on the tactical side of the tournament, would have realised that he would be totally inept at management. For the quarter-final, he was saying that England should leave out Rooney and play Owen as a lone striker, amongst lots of other garbage!! Quite surprising really, as he played under such tactically astute managers as Graham and Wenger. Mind you, he did play under Graham Taylor and Hoddle too... Hoddle was a great tactical manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeky Monkey Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 I would take micky adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 Mind if I ask why you think this? Not being funny, but I see no way out of this mess. Probably because I am an eternal optimist and I see life through rose tinted glasses! But seriously there are a lot of poor sides in this league - a lot worse than us. Even early on in the season Mark Dennis, Dave Watson et al were telling fans to get back to the stadium as we were playing good football. They are young players but they are good players and with a little self belief (and some goals from Saga and McG!) they will pick up points. Home form is our failing really and I can't put my finger on why. Is it the poor tactics or the fear of playing in front of fickle fans? Either way, you're only as bad as your last defeat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 10 February, 2009 Share Posted 10 February, 2009 I mentioned this on another thread and thought it could provoke some decent discussion. Now this will be way out there. If we did go down who would appose Adams as our manager? I assume he lives in the area (to some degree) and the fact is that we would be at the sort of level and the sort of club (history/potential/facilities) which may encourage a young up and coming to have ago and learn the ropes? Yes he was a skate, and yes his record isnt great. However he's hungry to succees, he has had a bash and taken some knocks, he has worked under coaches in Holland and England, knows the lower divisions and has some new thinking sports psycology behind him. Could do alot worst in my opinion!! Come back Branfoot, all is forgiven !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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