The next 8 games...............................

[exit2]

Well I usually do the next 5 games thread but as things are so tight, Im looking at the remaining 8 games.

 

Blackpool Away

Charlton Home

Watford Away

Wolves Away

Palace Home

Sheff Wed Away

Burnley Home

Forest Away

 

Now looking at previous seasons in the CCC, it seems that at least 52 points is needed for saftey.

 

So at present we need 13 points from 8 games. It is very achievable but my main concern is that a few of these games are more than 6 pointers! If we lose to the likes of Blackpool, Watford, Forest etc the gap is widening much quicker!

 

Also looking these fixtures I really havent got a clue on what points we would get, Im totally stumped.

 

So do you reckon we will get 13 points from these remaining games to reach the magical 52, or do you think the points needed this season for saftey are going to be higher

[The Godfather]

Didn't realise we only had three home games left, looks like we're going to have do it on the road.

[Bailey]

Didn't realise we only had three home games left, looks like we're going to have do it on the road.

 

Might not be a bad thing in truth. We've hardly delivered at St Mary's all season and teams are more willing to come forward and have a go at us when we're away from home. This suits our style of play a lot more, as we tend to struggle to break the teams down (Derby and QPR at home) that play with five men across the middle.

Edited 16 March, 2009 by Bailey

[L1Minus10]

Blackpool Away 1

Charlton Home 3

Watford Away 0

Wolves Away 0

Palace Home 1

Sheff Wed Away 1

Burnley Home 1

Forest Away 3

 

10 points.... down....

[Deano6]

Honestly, does anyone really care whether we go down or not?

[Saints foreva]

Course we care. Nobody ever wants to see their side relegated to league one. People who do seriously need to have a think about how much they support Southampton.

[Robsk II]

I will support Saints regardless of where we are, but do I *want* us to go down? No. Do I honestly think it'd be a good thing in the long term? No. That's just wishful thinking. Too much risk in that.

[Hamilton Saint]

Honestly, does anyone really care whether we go down or not?

 

 

Of course we care - what else has the angst and delirium of the last few months been about?

 

[Pilchards]

When teams are fighting for there lives they will produce some amazing results.

I personally think that 5 wins from the 8 will be our only hope.

Too many times we are seeing teams get freak results where we can't seem to manage that at all, Wolves for one?

It will be like Brum, Oh so close but NIL points yet again!

[saint_bert]

I said before the Derby game when we had 20 points to play for we needed 16. that was with 5 home games. we have to win all our home games now and because of the two previous draws we now need two away wins. I cant see it happening now as we suddenly look like we have no goal threat. Its going to be a roller coaster ride one feels

[Mole]

Looking at the last 3 games i see nil points for Saints.

[Belgiansaint]

Just had a look at our relegation rivals' fixtures. Their run-in doesn't look comfortable either, especially next week. A Saints win in Blackpool combined with Brum, Wolves and Burnley wins over Norwich, Forest and Plymouth (theoretically very plausible) would constitute a huge motivational boost. Wonder if 49 or 50 points won't be enough, though Saints should aim for higher, of course. Are they capable of doing that? That's another kettle of fish, obviously. Gonna be a nail-biting finish to say the least.

[JustMike]

Im not so sure that we will eveb get 5 points from that lot, unless we get someone in on loan that is creative and can score

[SNSUN]

Put quite simply, we need 9 points from our next 3 games. Sounds impossible for Saints, but Blackpool, Charlton and Watford are the teams we need to beat in order to stay up. At a push, I reckon 2 wins and a draw would suffice.

 

Any less and we'll be all but down by the last day.

[VectisSaint]

When teams are fighting for there lives they will produce some amazing results.

Worked yesterday didn't it :mad:

Face it folks, we were relegated a long time ago, the 3 wins recently just gave us some false hope.

[aintforever]

5 away out of the last 8 - we are ****ed.

[Legod Third Coming]

5 away out of the last 8 - we are ****ed.

 

This is my only hope. That we go away and play by hitting teams who set out to beat us on the break. Slim hope I know, but preferable to no hope... just...

[NickG]

we are harder to beat, only letting think 3 goals in last 6 games - see a few draws coming

[LostBoys]

We need 5 wins to be absolutely certain. Cannot see it we have just thrown away 4 points against poor opposition and you do not stay up missing easy chances. You have to win the three home games plus Blackpool and Notts Forest away - more last day potential heart failure

[rallyboy]

Let's just have a reality check for those who still can't see a problem...

I have seen people going on about Watford and Derby - FORGET THEM, they are way up the road, and the same goes for Blackpool if we fail to beat them - a point will do them a treat.

Barnsley are likely to scrape points from their two in hand so they could be out of touch, and Norwich have found form and are getting away.

So, Forest and Plymouth are the targets, if by winning at Blackpool we involve more then great, but can people stop getting excited when teams seven points above us draw?!

And as for us settling for draws at there next three, forget it

 

WE MUST WIN if we are to mount a serious escape bid.

Forget the blinkered ''oooh, we are still mathematically capable of surviving, we just have to miraculously produce the best run of form since 1894'' etc.

 

GET REAL, the table doesn't lie, we are down there because we are that poor and things must change.

[NickG]

Let's just have a reality check for those who still can't see a problem...I have seen people going on about Watford and Derby - FORGET THEM, they are way up the road, and the same goes for Blackpool if we fail to beat them - a point will do them a treat.

Barnsley are likely to scrape points from their two in hand so they could be out of touch, and Norwich have found form and are getting away.

So, Forest and Plymouth are the targets, if by winning at Blackpool we involve more then great, but can people stop getting excited when teams seven points above us draw?!

And as for us settling for draws at there next three, forget it

 

WE MUST WIN if we are to mount a serious escape bid.

Forget the blinkered ''oooh, we are still mathematically capable of surviving, we just have to miraculously produce the best run of form since 1894'' etc.

 

GET REAL, the table doesn't lie, we are down there because we are that poor and things must change.

 

Is there anyone who doesnt think there is a problem?!

[aintforever]

This is my only hope. That we go away and play by hitting teams who set out to beat us on the break. Slim hope I know, but preferable to no hope... just...

 

I do think this diamond formation works better when teams come at us, so there is that hope. Having must win games away from home is never a good thing though.

[rallyboy]

yeah, people wittering on about us catching teams in mid table when we can't see where our next goal is coming from.

[NickG]

yeah, people wittering on about us catching teams in mid table when we can't see where our next goal is coming from.

 

think it is only up to Blackpool in it - but if we don't beat them they will be out of it as well.

 

Plymouth, one below them in 19th are only 4 points ahead, played a game more, so with 8 games left they will see themselves are not safe at all. Their current form is worse as well.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

The next three games are absolutly massive. In my opinion we need 7 points MINIMUM if we are to have any chance.

[ottery st mary]

Us or Plymouth and you know what Rupes did to Sturrock..Horrible feeling we will be short before last two games. Miracles, do happen..We have had our fair share in the past. COYR show some fight for the fans.

[lenwilkins]

13 points from 8 games.

 

4wins and a draw from 8 games. Have we achieved anything remotely like that at any stage this season?

 

I suspect not. IMHO we're down.

 

(Of course had we kept Pearson and not embarked on the completely lunatic Dutch total football scheme inspired by the equally clueless Lowe and Wilde which has reduced this football club to a shambles it might have been a different story.)

[Saints Michael]

Blackpool Away - 1 point

Charlton Home - 3 points

Watford Away - 0 points

Wolves Away - 0 points

Palace Home - 3 points

Sheff Wed Away - 1 point

Burnley Home - 1 point

Forest Away - 1 points

 

10 points is the most i get can trying to be optimistic.

[Andy_Porter]

Need at least 7 from our next three and then a win at Forest. Four points from the games in between.

 

Doesn't seem very likely.

[Saint Fan CaM]

13 points from 8 games.

 

4wins and a draw from 8 games. Have we achieved anything remotely like that at any stage this season?

 

I suspect not. IMHO we're down.

 

(Of course had we kept Pearson and not embarked on the completely lunatic Dutch total football scheme inspired by the equally clueless Lowe and Wilde which has reduced this football club to a shambles it might have been a different story.)

 

 

Thats the key fact - 4 wins and a draw from 8 games when we cannot score against poor opposition. Unfortunately the writing was on the wall several months ago...Wotte putting two up front helped, but he still persists with the diamond at home and THAT limits the teams ability to dominate the midfield and get good balls to feet in attack.

 

We are down people. That could also mean administration and if Lowe tries to hold on this season that could mean a very rough ride in league one, in turn leading to TWO seasons (or more) in that league. The next 8 games are probably the most important in the recent history of the club and yet look at who is in custody at this most important time...it ain't looking too good is it?

[Stax]

Blackpool Away - 1 point

Charlton Home - 3 points

Watford Away - 0 points

Wolves Away - 0 points

Palace Home - 3 points

Sheff Wed Away - 1 point

Burnley Home - 1 point

Forest Away - 1 points

 

10 points is the most i get can trying to be optimistic.

 

Why cant we win away at Wolves? We didnt think we would win at Reading Preston or Ipswich. This stage of the season the teams at the bottom start to play and the teams at the top start to wobble. IF we win at Blackpool i think we got a great chance and Forest and Plymouth can go!

[Jonnyboy]

13 points from 8 games.

 

4wins and a draw from 8 games. Have we achieved anything remotely like that at any stage this season?

I suspect not. IMHO we're down.

 

Well our last 8 games actually have been like that - 3 wins and 3 draws i believe, so stop being negative. thanks

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Blackpool Away - 1 point

Charlton Home - 3 points

Watford Away - 0 points

Wolves Away - 0 points

Palace Home - 1 point

Sheff Wed Away - 0 points

Burnley Home - 0 points

Forest Away - 3 points

 

8 points is how I see it, with a vain glorious last ditch show at Forest.

 

So sadly it'll not be enough.

[St Marco]

Have to agree with the above. We have to go above and beyond any form we have probably had in our entire time in the CCC to stay up. The last 2 match days teams around us have slipped up and we failed to take advantage of it. I worry that we could be about to go through another poor form period like before xmas when we had 5 games and nobody around us was winning either. You have to take those chances. If you look at the table only us and Charlton have been in the bottom three for most of the season. The last spot has been passed about by a few teams Watford,Barnsley,Forest,Doncaster,Derby,Norwich etc all those teams have hauled their ass out of there apart from Barnsley, who have 2 games in hand to play.

So we need to now go on a big run. If we are playing for draws like the last 3 games seem then that might not be enough, what worries me is if we fall a goal behind can we change our system to get that goal back? 8 games left and we have to say we would need 50% wins at bare minimum from those games. The next game is massive, we lose and Blackpool stay up as they will be 10 points clear of us. If we get 3 points from the next 3 games even if they are all draws then i think with 5 games left we would need a miracle.

[NickG]

wonder what Barnsley and Notts For fans are predicting for their next 8?

[NickG]

http://www.forestforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=32327.0

[ottery st mary]

If only we had a manager or coach we might stand half a chance.

[Red and White Russ]

Blackpool Away - 0 points

Charlton Home - 1 point

Watford Away - 0 points

Wolves Away - 3 points

Palace Home - 1 points

Sheff Wed Away - 3 point

Burnley Home - 0 point

Forest Away - 1 points

 

I know a lot of people may think my predictions for Wolves and Sheff Wednesday are cloud cuckoo predictions, but I think we have a great chance against both of these teams. We are better against top half teams in general.

 

But even with those two results, I only put us on 9 points. Not enough. Unless someone else around us has a terrible run of results, we'll be down.

[Saint Stimp]

We'll get 8 points from the next 4.

[um pahars]

We're still up against it that's for sure, but we have not yet been cut adrift!!!

 

Barnsley have two games in hand and might get away a little bit, but I still think we won't be that far behind them, and Forest, Norwich and even Plymouth are within striking distance.

 

We might be away, btu Blackpool aren't too clever and those around us have tough games!!!!

 

Next week:

 

Barnsley away at Derby (not easy) but have agame at home v Palace midweek

 

Forest home to Wolves (toughie)

 

Norwich are away at Birmingham (toughie)

 

Plymouth home to Burnley (hard game)

 

 

Following week is interesting as someone has to drop points:

 

Barnsely v Forest

 

Blackpool v Plymouth

 

Norwich v Sheff Weds

 

 

 

Still think it will go to the wire.

[NickG]

We're still up against it that's for sure, but we have not yet been cut adrift!!!

 

Barnsley have two games in hand and might get away a little bit, but I still think we won't be that far behind them, and Forest, Norwich and even Plymouth are within striking distance.

 

We might be away, btu Blackpool aren't too clever and those around us have tough games!!!!

 

Next week:

 

Barnsley away at Derby (not easy) but have agame at home v Palace midweek

 

Forest home to Wolves (toughie)

 

Norwich are away at Birmingham (toughie)

 

Plymouth home to Burnley (hard game)

 

 

Following week is interesting as someone has to drop points:

 

Barnsely v Forest

 

Blackpool v Plymouth

 

Norwich v Sheff Weds

 

 

 

Still think it will go to the wire.

 

agree, but with those games, and the point above (edit not above see next post)I made about many teams now being 3 without a win - I think after next two games we will start having a better idea of who will have a chance

Edited 15 March, 2009 by NickG

[NickG]

sorry -I was referring to something I said on another thread not this one;

 

just thinking about those sequences - next games are big, all teams are at least 3 without a win - if that starts going to 4 or 5 for anyone then it will be hard for them to turn their form around this late on

 

Barnsley, L L W D W L D L

 

Notts F, L L L W W D L L (5-0)

 

Charlton, D D L L D L

 

Plymouth - L L D W W D L L

 

 

Saints W W W L D D

 

If I was any of those 4 teams don't think I would be confident thinking we are in form?

[70's Mike]

agree, but with those games, and the point above (edit not above see next post)I made about many teams now being 3 without a win - I think after next two games we will start having a better idea of who will have a chance

 

we will have even a better idea after the next 7 games

[saint lard]

I just want it to be all over.

[Under Weststand]

I fear the worst on my predictor I had us staying up on 51-points with a draw at Forest. But that included 3-points against QPR so on my predictions we're now need to make those 2-points back up.

Blackpool A 1-2 - - 3-Pts

Charlton H 2-1 - - -3-Pts

Watford A 3-0 - - -0-pts

Palace H 2-1 - - - -3-Pts

Sheff Wed A 1-0 - -0-Pts

Burnley H 1-1 - - - 1-Pt

Forest A 1-1 - - - -1-pt

Total - - - - - - - -11-Pts

Don't see where from this we can make up an extra 2-points.

it actually Looks over-optimistic now & I doubt it will be enough to keep us up. Just keep hoping for a miracle

[NickG]

I just want it to be all over.

 

only if it goes our way! if not hope/straws are better than being down!

[70's Mike]

I fear the worst on my predictor I had us staying up on 51-points with a draw at Forest. But that included 3-points against QPR so on my predictions we're now need to make those 2-points back up.

Blackpool A 1-2 - - 3-Pts

Charlton H 2-1 - - -3-Pts

Watford A 3-0 - - -0-pts

Palace H 2-1 - - - -3-Pts

Sheff Wed A 1-0 - -0-Pts

Burnley H 1-1 - - - 1-Pt

Forest A 1-1 - - - -1-pt

Total - - - - - - - -11-Pts

Don't see where from this we can make up an extra 2-points.

it actually Looks over-optimistic now & I doubt it will be enough to keep us up. Just keep hoping for a miracle

 

 

Has to be Burnley at home, but if we play like yesterday again this saturday it could be near to being over by 5pm next saturday

[NickG]

I fear the worst on my predictor I had us staying up on 51-points with a draw at Forest. But that included 3-points against QPR so on my predictions we're now need to make those 2-points back up.

Blackpool A 1-2 - - 3-Pts

Charlton H 2-1 - - -3-Pts

Watford A 3-0 - - -0-pts

Palace H 2-1 - - - -3-Pts

Sheff Wed A 1-0 - -0-Pts

Burnley H 1-1 - - - 1-Pt

Forest A 1-1 - - - -1-pt

Total - - - - - - - -11-Pts

Don't see where from this we can make up an extra 2-points.

it actually Looks over-optimistic now & I doubt it will be enough to keep us up. Just keep hoping for a miracle

 

make it up at Notts F?

 

I am not sure we will get that many, but also have a funny feeling less will be needed

[NickG]

Has to be Burnley at home' date=' but if we play like yesterday again this saturday it could be near to being over by 5pm next saturday[/quote']

 

lets hope Notts F play like they did yesterday and that will be one more plae sorted!

[Under Weststand]

make it up at Notts F?

 

I am not sure we will get that many, but also have a funny feeling less will be needed

Hope so NickG I can't see any other way out of this mess. Guess there will be a few more twists & turns yet, lets hope they twist & turn in our direction. Can't say I really believe it but hope to be proved wrong. (praying hands thingy)