Saint_Jonny Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 Haven't seen another thread about this, so... What are peoples opinions on Wottes position come the end of the season? How would you feel if the new owners decided to keep him on? In my opinion, given the quality of manager we are likely to attract in League 1, i'd be more than happy to keep Wotte on, yes he hasnt kept us up, but I cant help feeling that given a full pre-season / full season in charge he could give it a real go next year (I dont think we will bounce back up at the first time of asking however, no matter what manager we get in). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinR Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 Agreed. Whether he wants to stay is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 I'm ambivalent either way. I would rather leave it to our new Owners/Board to decide whatever they think is best for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 I think he could do a job in League 1, yes he hasn't kept us up, but be honest who (apart from a certain Mr Lowe) at the beginning of the season thought the players we had were capable of keeping us up anyway? However I think because of his association with Lowe he is better off leaving as certain sections of the fans will never accept him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 I think our new owners would be wanting to bring their own man in, and that's fair enough IMO. We could do with someone who knows the lower divisions a bit better and has the ability to get the best out of his players. Whilst I think Wotte has been OK, a complete fresh start from top to bottom could be what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorpie the sinner Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 I must admit, I would like a clean sweep! still be happy to have a club!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 He may well be able to cut it in League 1 although I've seen little to suggest he's the man for the job either in team selection, tactics and particularly the lack of motivation he seems to be able to impart into the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batterseasaint Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 To be honest, I won't be too disheartened to see him stay. However, on the flipside I would also like to see any new owner try to make a big statement about where they see us heading. The easiest way to do this would be to install a new manager immediately, and one that is either experienced at this level or higher, or has a lot of promise for the future. Two names that immediately spring to mind, and both of whom I would love to see at St. Mary's next year are Jimbo Magilton or Paul Ince. Both would bring something completely fresh to the club, which will help wipe away the Lowe cobwebs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treggs23 Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 personally I'd get rid of him, start afresh...plus he has hardly been getting great results from the current bunch, if he couldn't inspire us when scrapping against relegation, how will he motivate them to get back up?...saying one thing then changing his mind regarding the off-field problems affecting performances...'Mr Wotte? No thanks.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjk Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 Paul Jewell or Adey Boothroyd please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 Any manager, and i mean any manager, who describes Ryan Smith as having "world class" potential is not fit to be a manager at any level of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 Get rid. Clean slate. British manager, but not Aidy Boothroyd please. Paul Simpson, Jim Magilton, Cottrill or anyone who commands respect and knows the importance of having a decent defence and spine. We haven't had one of those for at least 5 years, hence our current position. Keegan is not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 No. Not saying he wouldn't be suitable/capable but it's top-to-bottom clean sweep for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 I think ANYONE who wants the architect of Lowe's plan this year to stay is barking mad. Sorry - the man is a fraud, disunites the fans, is regarded as a ***** in the dressing room, is Lowe's man not the new owners, was behind total football with kids, has demonstrated that he cannot motivate a team to any form of success and will have taken us down regardless of the FA points deduction. Add the fact that there are a dozen or so unemployed better British managers who understand the Leagues 1 and CCC and the teams within it, who have heart and passion, and unlike Wotte who has only ever relegated sides (including his Dutch one) and is thus a proven failure (like his previous master) then I think we close even further on the no-brainer decision to get the Dutch **** out of this club for good. Wotte was behind the whole of this season. He has killed the club... and a handful want to keep him on?! LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 I bloody well hope not. The bloke's an incompetent clown, totally bloody clueless and about as inspiring as a two-week old banana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 Totally opposed to him staying. I'm amazed that so many people don't mind him staying to be honest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=11865 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintDonkey Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 Any manager, and i mean any manager, who describes Ryan Smith as having "world class" potential is not fit to be a manager at any level of football. You think Arsene Wenger shouldn't be a manager then Ryan Smith has plenty of potential, it's delivering on that potential that he fails at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 (edited) Paul Jewell or Adey Boothroyd please. I think those two are a bit ambitious, but there are names that I think aren't hat ambitious who I would think could get us into the play offs even with ten points (not easily, but possibly): Lawrie Sanchez, Ian Holloway, Steve Cotterill (probably my first choice), Mark Robins, Paul Tisdale, Martin Allen. Remember, we're a big club in L1 and can you see any of those names getting jobs much better than we can offer? Depending on the ambition and pockets of the new owners (who knows they could be loaded) then your Boothroyds, Jewells and Inces could step forward, maybe. It's a long shot on a par with the Keegan at Fulham story. But those others above, none of them would be first choice for getting us in the Prem, or even play offs in CCC, but from where we are next season, I'd take any of them. Wotte can go. Let's start again. Again. Edited 24 April, 2009 by CB Fry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 Sack him. We couldn't do much worse than him if we tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nutkins Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 Mr. Wotte has not convinced me that Ryan Smith is a good player, therfore i hope they are at the same club together next season.ie; not here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulip Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 diamond formation in league 1.i don't think so.bye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 Not for me. The last few games have highlighted his lack of motivational skills and League 1 would be completely alien to him. We need someone who understands English lower-league football and has contacts in the English football world, but we've been saying this all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 Not for me. The last few games have highlighted his lack of motivational skills and League 1 would be completely alien to him. We need someone who understands English lower-league football and has contacts in the English football world, but we've been saying this all season. Yep - spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oz Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 get rid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovell1988 Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 There's so many managers floating around at the moment, ok alot of them might not fancy League one, but one or two of them might after poor spells in championship. Providing we get a decent investor then i think if the money's there we could attract better than Wotte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 New manager please that will loan/beg/borrow players that are suited to the division we are in. Wotte no matter what the luvvies try and say WAS part of the set up here since the start of the season. He was part of the set up that bought in Forecast, Gasmi, Pulis, Pekhart, Robertson, Molyneux and Smith that wasted all those loan/agent/signing fees. I am not sure about Sideways Jim as I am not convinced he is a League 1 manager with his brand of football. Ince, Jewell, Boothroyd or Cotterill for me but think wages will rule out a few of those. I have heard nothing but good things about Tisdale but worry that he may not be ready for a club of our size like Sturrock at that time....if we survive that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 Agreed. Whether he wants to stay is another matter. said on radio if new owners want him and have a 3 year plan he would love to stay as loves city/club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 said on radio if new owners want him and have a 3 year plan he would love to stay as loves city/club I dont care. He's on his way to Clogggyland. Also, I am prepared to bet that not one club in the Football League will be offering him a job this summer - from the CCC to League 2. I wonder why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 I think ANYONE who wants the architect of Lowe's plan this year to stay is barking mad. Sorry - the man is a fraud, disunites the fans, is regarded as a ***** in the dressing room, is Lowe's man not the new owners, was behind total football with kids, has demonstrated that he cannot motivate a team to any form of success and will have taken us down regardless of the FA points deduction. Add the fact that there are a dozen or so unemployed better British managers who understand the Leagues 1 and CCC and the teams within it, who have heart and passion, and unlike Wotte who has only ever relegated sides (including his Dutch one) and is thus a proven failure (like his previous master) then I think we close even further on the no-brainer decision to get the Dutch **** out of this club for good. Wotte was behind the whole of this season. He has killed the club... and a handful want to keep him on?! LOL. +1 Wotte was is and always will be complete and utter garbage; the events of the last 24 hours just compound the sheer ineptitude of the 'performances' which he over-saw against Charlton, Wolves, and Sheff Weds. If (the magic word) we had taken 3/4/5/6 points from those fixtures then we would now be halfway safe from starting next season on -10. Can't believe anyone on here thinks HCDAJFU next season .... Clean sweep on the playing side from top to bottom; new manager / new coaches / pick which players he wants to keep and then add his own. LOL that SFC would be 'too big' for Tisdale! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 Tbh i don't mind Wotte. He's got a bit of passion about him that i like & his record this season isn't much different to Pearson's was last year & i think he could bring us back up. However after this season & indeed the last few years i think we need a clean sweep right the way through the club from boardroom to coaching staff & for this reason i think he should go to make way for someone completley new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 said on radio if new owners want him and have a 3 year plan he would love to stay as loves city/club Of course he does with his record...who else is going to employ him? I am sure there are many of the Football League clubs clamouring for his signature! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints67 Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 If we get new owners I think a clean slate is required and this would include the removal of Mark Wotte. However I cannot think of a viable replacement who we could afford/would want to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 Wotte out chant on Saturday please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 If we get new owners I think a clean slate is required and this would include the removal of Mark Wotte. However I cannot think of a viable replacement who we could afford/would want to come. Lots of good suggestions here: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=11865 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 No thanks. I think it might have been Arizona who said "Pearson got the best out of what was available, Wotte hasen't got the best out of what was available". I think he is as good as his record has shown. Played 16 lost 6, drew 6 and won 4 = 18 points. Which is 1.1 points per game. Now times that by 44 = 49 points. That would have put us 1 place above the drop zone. Where as if you work out Pearsons of 16 points from 13 games = 1.2 points per game. Times 44 = 54 points. Which would put us 15th in the league. It is those small fractions of difference that make a difference. With Davis,Saga,Surman,Skacel,Lallana,Perry,Euell,James,Gillett and BWP in the team of which were all here last season i would expect them to finish clear of the relegation zone. So even if Wotte was in charge from the start his points per game would have had us in a relegation battle anyway. As a tactitian i think he lacks knowledge of what to do and when to do it. Sort of like Jan was stuck in his ways. So my view is no. We need to have a total clean sweep as others have mentioned from top to bottom. We need someone who understands english football but now understands league 1 football. Someone who will get players playing on a cold night in some **** hole up north. The Weds game for me was the judgment game for Wotte. He got it all wrong. After the first half he should of gone in guns blazing on the players and should of gambled. Not put our best passer in defence etc. So someone totally new. My choice would be to try and nab Roberto Di Matteo from MK Dons if we get a buyer with a little bit of cash. He has done wonders with that team in only a season. They have bugger all money but now they are only 1 point away from CCC league football if they win their game in hand. He is a guy who has spent 13 years in English football so knows the game here. He has good contacts and would bring good coaching staff with him in the shape of Eddie Newton and Ade Mafe etc. I think he like Martinez at Swansea will go on to become very good managers. Especially as they use the little resources they have to create a team atmosphere. Something we don't have and havent had in a very longtime. That would be my choice if we were free to make a choice like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonToo Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 If he gets 6 points from the last two games I wouldn't rule him out completely. I'm not holding my breath though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Halo* Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 What are peoples opinions on Wottes position come the end of the season? Untenable. How would you feel if the new owners decided to keep him on? Very disappointed. I believe that in the best interests of the Club going forward, it is necessary to completely draw a line under the debacle of this season's "revolutionary" experiment. For me, that has to mean a completely clean slate as far as our coaching set up is concerned. Enough with the 4-2-3-1s, 4-1-2-1-2s and "total football" please. The only diamonds I expect to see at SFC are the kind worn by our over-paid and underperforming players. Let's get back to basics. An english manager who knows the lower leagues and can motivate the players to perform in them, (someone like Paul Tisdale or Steve Cotterill would be my preference, no guarrantees an 'Ince' type would be prepared to stick around for the long haul, and that's what I believe we need in our next managerial appointment); playing a normal, solid, easy to understand 4-4-2 system, with two natural widemen, two central midfielders and two strikers. Then give them a good old fashioned 'Strachanesque' gruelling Pre-Season fitness regime of running up and down the sand dunes until they're physically sick, then making them do it all over again. Let's have an end to 'tippy tappy' showboating with no end product, and instead have a team that is build on hard graft and work-rate. A team that is both physically and mentally prepared for the battles that will lie ahead to get this Club heading back in the right direction. Of course, I want to see my Team as successful and highly placed in the League system as possible, but ultimately, I care far more about watching a Team of Committed Professionals who are willing to die for eachother and for the cause, than I do about what division we are playing in. I just want a Club, Staff, Coaching set up, and players, that I can feel proud of again. It's been far too long since I was able feel that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stax Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 Not for me. The last few games have highlighted his lack of motivational skills and League 1 would be completely alien to him. We need someone who understands English lower-league football and has contacts in the English football world, but we've been saying this all season. Yes get rid i dont understand all the love on here for keeping Wotte his record is c**p British manager for league 1 please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 24 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 24 April, 2009 haha seems most want rid, id be non plussed if he stayed or left to be honest, id be very happy with a magilton, dowie or ince though thats for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 like his passion and feel sorry for him with regards to the lack of talent/options he has to work with. However, I don't understand his team selections, hate the style of football we have had to suffer since he took charge and wonder if he has any other Saeijs' up his sleeve to improve the squad next season. If history is anything to go by then I have serious concerns about our knowledge of available and suitable talent to look to bring in during the summer. The `acquisitions' made last year such as Wotton, Holmes, Peckard, Smith, Molyneux...the list goes on and on...were woeful. I have little doubt the same clueless idots will be making similar recommendations to Wotte this summer unless they are all sacked as well (whoever they were). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 I don't know why, but my original post on this thread (the 2nd in fact) has been deleted for no apparent reason and with no explanation from the MODS. I'll repeat. Wotte is not good enough to get us out of L1 IMO - need a clean sweep. Need to appoint a manager who has good solid experience and the potential to bring some longevity to the role (i.e. one of Lowe's failures). Pearson is an excellent example of the type of manager we now need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerx16 Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 Lightweight midfield, no width, players on the wrong side of the pitch, no motivation, tactical naivity, can't defend set pieces, can't get shots on target..... Ideal for League 1, NOT ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakovnetski Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 Not sure about Wotte to be honest. How about Jim Magilton now he's available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer Engine Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 What is needed in the lower leagues is 4-4-2, a lot of hard graft and a kick up the backside ... having said that Barcelona might just make the play-offs ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 Get rid...not up to the job in any division.. Have you all read the usual ****** from him about tomorrows game..? Same old drivel which has produced nothing... Same from Surman... Fed up with hearing the rally calls as they always end in disappointment.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corky morris Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 No thanks. I would go for Paul Tisdale as he has proved he can work with a tight squad & inprove them whilst playing decent football. The bonus is he was an apprentice here & has a strong affinity with the club & our fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 Cut him adrift would be my shout. Hasn't impressed me by either his words or his deeds. Also can't help but associate him with the pathetic Revolutionary Coaching Set Up and the total bllocks that was spouted in the first 2/3rds of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 24 April, 2009 Share Posted 24 April, 2009 He is cheap at £100,000 a year but tactically naive when it comes to English football. I am hearing rumours (not directly from players or their families I must emphasise) that many of the players are getting fed up with his diamond system and how they are supposed to play it. That fits with what we are now seeing on the pitch during games...clueless and vunerable to wide attacking opposition players. Midfield left and right in the diamond being isolated and kept out of the game by the long ball! May be that is why Lallana is not developing, and goood players like Surman and Schneiderlin look poor when they are put into those positions. What is worse, he does not seem to have learned from the poor performances. New owner must mean new Manager (not a coach) in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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