dubai_phil Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Wow, this is a relief then http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=11774 BWP & Euell have been offered new contracts. Bet that's gonna scare the pants off the rest of League 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Slightly worried now as whilst I was reading the link my two year old daughter asked if the picture of Ricado Fuller was me!!!! Hmmm although if she had been at SMS she would have seen how dominate in the air I truly was!!!! .... BWP and Euell... on less money obviousily!!!! At least they are keen to stay i guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Strange. I thought it was impossible to offer new contracts while in administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BILLY Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Strange. I thought it was impossible to offer new contracts while in administration. We're not in administration are we? SLH is administration though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Strange. I thought it was impossible to offer new contracts while in administration. Fortunately for us the football club are not in administration. Which, if you are correect, beggars the question as to why they have been deducted 10 points. Either SFC is in admin and has a 10 point deduction and can't offer new contracts, or it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilsburydoughboy Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Strange. I thought it was impossible to offer new contracts while in administration. Has the bitterness inside soured your dreams to the point that you came on here to spread some bank holiday joy? Not only is it chuffing raining but Docker-Pis online at 9.08am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 I think Euell and BWP would be awesome in the league with a proper manager who will demand effort and more commitment to football and not the outside world etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Has the bitterness inside soured your dreams to the point that you came on here to spread some bank holiday joy? Not only is it chuffing raining but Docker-Pis online at 9.08am. Don't worry, I'm going back to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 The good thing is that they want to be here, despite playing in League 1. Also when their contracts are actually finalised, we will be able to command a fee should they leave. The fact that they want to stay perhaps also means that there is not going to be a mass exodus deserting a half sunk ship. Good or bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 I think Euell and BWP would be awesome in the league with a proper manager who will demand effort and more commitment to football and not the outside world etc.... I think you right. They could have been pretty good in the CCC with the right manager too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 25 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 25 May, 2009 The good thing is that they want to be here, despite playing in League 1. Also when their contracts are actually finalised, we will be able to command a fee should they leave. The fact that they want to stay perhaps also means that there is not going to be a mass exodus deserting a half sunk ship. Good or bad? Based on their performances this season, my question would simply be - could we find a BETTER player in League 1 for the same or less money? Then I would ask would anyone else out there feel they would be worth the same (reduced) or more money? Euell with effort and no touch/goals or if they were the same cost or less a Ricky Lambert, Simon Cox, type with a proved goal scoring record at this level? Or someone near the top of the L2 scoring charts or even a proven lower level goal scorer from overseas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Strange. I thought it was impossible to offer new contracts while in administration. We're not in administration are we? SLH is administration though. We're not (ahem) even though certain people may think that we are 'inextricably linked' to SLH. However, how can we offer contracts while we are for sale and not knowing, should someone buy us, what their plans might be? All part of this strange & wonderful world of SFC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Based on their performances this season, my question would simply be - could we find a BETTER player in League 1 for the same or less money? Then I would ask would anyone else out there feel they would be worth the same (reduced) or more money? Euell with effort and no touch/goals or if they were the same cost or less a Ricky Lambert, Simon Cox, type with a proved goal scoring record at this level? Or someone near the top of the L2 scoring charts or even a proven lower level goal scorer from overseas. would cost us alot more for either of those, plus their clubs would not be willing to sell to a rival team. I should imagine the new contracts offered are very less than previously on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 25 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 25 May, 2009 would cost us alot more for either of those, plus their clubs would not be willing to sell to a rival team. I should imagine the new contracts offered are very less than previously on. Of course, just trying to use them as examples being at the top of the scoring charts for this season. And it does say "offered them less money of course" on the OS. Just trying to use it as a benchmark, would The9 actually be a better investment? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
end of an era2 Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 But isn't this just old news rehashed? I really don't see the point of any of it, Wotte probably won't be the manager next season and we might not even be in existence. This sort of yarn from the OS is just put out to fill the vaccuum because in fact f-all is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Fortunately for us the football club are not in administration. Which, if you are correect, beggars the question as to why they have been deducted 10 points. Either SFC is in admin and has a 10 point deduction and can't offer new contracts, or it isn't. A) If SFC is in Admin, then no contracts can be offerred B) If SFC is NOT in Admin, then they can C) If the League do not object or block such conttact activity, then they will deem it to be OK D) If they deem it OK, then they are acknowledging the fact that SFC is NOT in Admin E) If SFC is not ( as per "D" ) in Admin, . WHY are they docking us 10 points ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 A) If SFC is in Admin, then no contracts can be offerred B) If SFC is NOT in Admin, then they can C) If the League do not object or block such conttact activity, then they will deem it to be OK D) If they deem it OK, then they are acknowledging the fact that SFC is NOT in Admin E) If SFC is not ( as per "D" ) in Admin, . WHY are they docking us 10 points ??? Because they can. They can make up the rules to suit their agenda, and there is no legal comeback. When you join a club you agree to abide by their rules. We all know that politicians are corrupt, those involved in football seem to be doubly so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge_B Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 I'd rather have seen Kelvin offered a new deal before anyone else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 I'd rather have seen Kelvin offered a new deal before anyone else... I'm pretty sure he has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge_B Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 I'm pretty sure he has. I'm pretty sure I hadn't heard that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 As far as I can tell from reading various media snippets nobody has been offered a new contract. Discussions have taken place and potential contractural terms worked out and agreed in principle. Of course Wotte is going to assume he will stay in charge and will want to demonstrate to any new owner that he is pro active in his approach and that the team can hit the ground running at the start of next season. Good on him but decisions cannot be firmed up until we know who has the money, how much is available and the desires of the new owners. Wotte's contract was only until the end of the season with an option to renew for another year although relegation may have changed that. Looks like he wants to stay and is sending out that message. Time will tell but personally I do not feel he has the tactical knowledge to manage us going forward but that is for another thread already in existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Flying Finn Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Strange. I thought it was impossible to offer new contracts while in administration. Indeed. Wotte said that himself with reference to offering Super Kelv a contract. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=11767 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Wow, this is a relief then http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=11774 BWP & Euell have been offered new contracts. Bet that's gonna scare the pants off the rest of League 1 ANYONE who's played in the Premiership surely is a force to be reckoned with ....in League 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Slightly worried now as whilst I was reading the link my two year old daughter asked if the picture of Ricado Fuller was me!!!!She has obviously inherited your (in)ability to recognise and name any footballer whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 I don't think they can have been offered new contracts (the article doesn't actually say that does it?). More likely the subject of a new contract on less money has been discussed in principle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Of course, just trying to use them as examples being at the top of the scoring charts for this season. And it does say "offered them less money of course" on the OS. Just trying to use it as a benchmark, would The9 actually be a better investment? :-) I'm a knee surgery away from us walking this league, LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
austsaint Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 All things being equal...BWP and JE would be influential players in L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph11be Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 I'm sure they will have been offered provisional contracts (as Kelvin has been). So if there is a club, it can go through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Anyone who heard BWP's interview on Radio Hants after the Forest game will not be too surprised. He genuinely declared his desire to stay & get us promoted back IMO, he's equally as good, if not better than Simon Cox or Ricky Lambert or Matty Fryatt Bradley would be awesome in L1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 I'm a knee surgery away from us walking this league, LOL! We would also need surgery to pull you away from having your picture taken in front of that board in SMS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Based on their performances this season, my question would simply be - could we find a BETTER player in League 1 for the same or less money? Then I would ask would anyone else out there feel they would be worth the same (reduced) or more money? Euell with effort and no touch/goals or if they were the same cost or less a Ricky Lambert, Simon Cox, type with a proved goal scoring record at this level? Or someone near the top of the L2 scoring charts or even a proven lower level goal scorer from overseas. when comparing Euell and BWP to other players out there commanding similar wages then you have to be talking about free transfers as Cox is worth £2m (apparently) which effectively adds £10k a week over four years even before you add his wages on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Wow, this is a relief then http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=11774 BWP & Euell have been offered new contracts. Bet that's gonna scare the pants off the rest of League 1 I'd love it if they stayed. A couple of men who need to prove themselves in a red and white shirt. All those two need is a manager to get the best out of them who does not advocate playing youth to his appallingly gullible chairman and keping them sidelined before then taking over himself and failing to provide any inspiration. BWP and Euell in League 1 would be a statement of intent by the club - simply, we are unlikely to get any better. Now lets watch BWP and Euell on their test of loyalty.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mewsta Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 I also understand that Jamie White has signed a 1 year extension to his contract. He's also hoping for a quicker than expected return to training! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_saint Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 BWP will be pretty decent in League One, he does play well now and again and with the right manager as someone pointed out, he could score goals. Euell, another I'm pleased to see stay, he can hold the ball up if we do want to play ugly and I think he could score a few too. If Davis stays then I'm going to start feeling hopeful, few new faces here and there and we could do alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Billy Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 I don't think they can have been offered new contracts (the article doesn't actually say that does it?). More likely the subject of a new contract on less money has been discussed in principle. All seems a bit odd to me. Isn't there a few variables to consider? 1. We are not sure if there will be a sfc next season. 2. If we do get a buyer they might not want Wotte to stay in charge. 3. If a new manager is brought in, shouldn't it be up to him who goes and who stays? 4. Surely contracts can only be finalised once it is known how much funding is available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
end of an era2 Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Actually I think they'd be a good strike force for league 1. It's the level BWP needs. Fryatt struggled in the CCC too. Who knows what they'll do. But Euell is the big striker we need so if he accepts less money then why not. Could be a lot worse. I'd think they'd be the self same pair of tossers that they were in the CCC on less money and therefore even less motivated. I just don't understand why we're talking about these 2 blokes. they day their contracts run out should be in letters of fire with hallelujah written under it on the SFC wall calendar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Euell's experience and BWPs pace could be a big plus in this league. DEcisions have to made quickly though and plans put in place. The longer this situation drags on the worse it is for the club. Fair play for Wotte for getting on with the job in hand - can't be easiy knowing you could be out of the door in a week or two...but he is saying and doing the right things right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 We would also need surgery to pull you away from having your picture taken in front of that board in SMS Current Facebook profile pic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Euell and BWP should be good for us in League One and I hope they stay. Obviously these contracts will be on much reduced terms, and rightly so, but I hope that they both agree to them and make the effort to get us back into The Championship. After all, they do owe us for this season. Whilst Euell has divided the fan base ever since he's been here, I feel that we could do with someone like him in the heart of our midfield. He's committed, industrious and isn't afraid to get stuck in. He's experienced too and this season has proved that we need a few older heads around the first-team. As for BWP, I believe he has the potential to score plenty of goals in League One. If he is playing regularly in attack, and we get a manager who can get the best out of him, then he could play a pivotal role for us next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 I'm actually quite impressed with the attitude of the players, especially the ones out of contract, how few are actively seeking to get away after relegation. Obviously the foreign players don't want to play League 1 and wouldn't entertain playing for League 1 wages. It seems that only Dyer, of the homegrown and British contingent is actively seeking a move and he wasn't at the club for the vast majority of last season any way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 I am sorry but i do not rate either of them - are they prepared to work as hard as they will need to in the third division? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Our football players (someone described them as such) have tried to get away but nobody wants them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 I think Euell and BWP would be awesome in the league with a proper manager who will demand effort and more commitment to football and not the outside world etc.... It wasn't effort and commitment that was Euell's problem - it was ability. And BWP could double Gillett's effort and still be sh1te if you don't understand the rules of football. They are most definitely both part of the problem, not part of the solution imo. Wotte has gone down in my estimation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Euell.. For F*** Sake! What do we want to sign that useless p***k for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 I laugh at myself everytime I say this..but here goes again..I have a vision that Jason could turn out to be a great centre back..a dream..When he was fronting the Argonauts. Bradley...well..tambourine in a smaller group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Properly managed and motivated, Euell is an asset. If you've got a manager that can show Euell he's wanted, he'll run all day and night for you and that is what you need in League 1. BWP I'm less convinced about. At least though he can make up the difference in his wages by nicking stuff. There's also an expression some of you seem to be struggling for. It starts, "Beggars can't..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpturner Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Euell.. For F*** Sake! What do we want to sign that useless p***k for?He hasn't signed for Arsenal has he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandy_Top_89 Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Euell.. For F*** Sake! What do we want to sign that useless p***k for? Because beggars cant be choosers? However I think he could be an asset next season, just needs to up his game because if he wants to he can play fairly well, although on the flip side he can be mistaken for a brick on some days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 Euell.. For F*** Sake! What do we want to sign that useless p***k for? IMO Jason Euell brought the best out of a lazy player like McGoldrick. He holds the ball up well and is an experienced head to have. He could be a good player to retain in League One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clapham Saint Posted 25 May, 2009 Share Posted 25 May, 2009 I don't think they can have been offered new contracts (the article doesn't actually say that does it?). More likely the subject of a new contract on less money has been discussed in principle. I wouuld have thought that this is the case. Signing them up to new contracts that sfc limited has no current means of paying could result in grounds for wrongful trading resulting in the directors being potentially at risk of legal action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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