Bartosz Bialkowski Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1729716,00.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 This is what was said on SaintsTv, nothing new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick1976.4.38 Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 well he is saying the right things and looks like he will get rid of our deadwood.cant wait for the season to start now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 honest bloke, like his style. just hope it gets matched on the pitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartosz Bialkowski Posted 22 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Agree's with the supporters apparently.... Guess that depends which ones he spoke too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Seems what he is saying is pretty obvious and has been discussed here so many times Need to get in players to replace the ones who have left and to move on players who do not wish to stay. The January transfer window is probably going to be important depending on our League position at Christmas An interesting season to come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 He has said as much if not more than he really can do at this stage. I have confidence that he will sort the team out somehow, but new faces are inevitable I think - there are just too many players not performing to an ability that will see the club move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Agree's with the supporters apparently.... Guess that depends which ones he spoke too! Nineteen etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BARCELONASAINT Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I hope when he says we will need one or two new faces he actually means 5 or 6 new faces at the very least, otherwise we are in for another long hard season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 The last paragraph almost seems to be aimed directly at eithere Saga or Rasiak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 A relatively small observation but nice to see him using the word 'we' even when talking about past events (e.g. "we had a bad season last year"). Subtle but reassuring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I am sure Alan Pardew will sort everything out on the playing side, in his own time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Agrees with the supporters apparently.... Pardew Out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I am sure Alan Pardew will sort everything out on the playing side I hope you are right but many have not been able to do so in the last five years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkiesaint Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Yes, nice the way he launches into praising the facilities which is code for little to praise about the team. shows he is realistic, which is a step up from the dutch duo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 A relatively small observation but nice to see him using the word 'we' even when talking about past events (e.g. "we had a bad season last year"). Subtle but reassuring. well spotted and mind instantly wanders to ****flaps who would never ever use the term `we' to describe what went before (if it was bad). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Wolf Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I hope when he says we will need one or two new faces he actually means 5 or 6 new faces at the very least, otherwise we are in for another long hard season. He probably does mean that but doesn't want to say incase he does only manage 1-2 and then we're not disappointed because that's what he said he'd bring in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Having read and studied phsychology, I can exclusivley reveal what he means exactly; "There's some good players here and some very good young players here too so we will be looking closely at them to see if they can produce some quality for us." Means; "There are no fist team players worth touching with a dirty stick, so I'm going to have to scrape the bottom of the barrel with some of the youth for the first few games" -------------------------------- "I saw areas where we can improve that needed to happen but the biggest thing for me at the weekend, was the fans, the stadium and the atmosphere, that's essentially what we need to keep, that momentum from the takeover right through to the start of the season and into the winter." Means; "We have a crap squad" --------------------------------- "Even the most ardent fan will realise that we had a poor season and now we're in a new division with minus ten points and we've got a lot to do. How long that will take I don't know but I will be trying to make things stronger and more disciplined." Means; "League two here we come" --------------------------------- "There'll be some movement," Means; "We need to spend, spend, spend." --------------------------------- "I'm certainly not going to keep players that are not going to be motivated to be in this division, no matter what his ability is I want the hunger and desire to win. I'll bring players who want that fight because we have been lacking that passion and fight on the pitch." Means; "Saga or Rasiak can go and get fooked" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Be good to get one or two new players b4 the ♥'s game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I thought I admired his ambition for us to be "somewhere near the middle" by Xmas. But we actually need to do even better than this if we're to make the play-offs this season. We're scheduled to play 22 league games before 25th December. Looking at last season's table, mid-table is a return of 1.3 points per game. For Saints to get to 29 points by Xmas, we need - of course - to win 39 points on the pitch, which would imply us winning 1.77 points a game. If we kept that up over the season, we'd finish on 71 or 72 points (81 or 82 points minus 10). Last season, the last play-off place went to S****hope on 76 points. The season before, the sixth place team also got 76 points. And the year before that, it was 75 points. So we need to be averaging 1.87 (for a total of 85 or 86 points "on the pitch") points a game to scrape into the play-offs. Not impossible, but not easy. We essentially need to show automatic promotion form to win a play-off slot...and even if we get a play-off slot, we are odds against to go up. I reckon it's two seasons to get out of this division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I thought I admired his ambition for us to be "somewhere near the middle" by Xmas. But we actually need to do even better than this if we're to make the play-offs this season. We're scheduled to play 22 league games before 25th December. Looking at last season's table, mid-table is a return of 1.3 points per game. For Saints to get to 29 points by Xmas, we need - of course - to win 39 points on the pitch, which would imply us winning 1.77 points a game. If we kept that up over the season, we'd finish on 71 or 72 points (81 or 82 points minus 10). Last season, the last play-off place went to S****hope on 76 points. The season before, the sixth place team also got 76 points. And the year before that, it was 75 points. So we need to be averaging 1.87 (for a total of 85 or 86 points "on the pitch") points a game to scrape into the play-offs. Not impossible, but not easy. We essentially need to show automatic promotion form to win a play-off slot...and even if we get a play-off slot, we are odds against to go up. I reckon it's two seasons to get out of this division. I cant really see the current team getting there this season but there seems to be a good chance next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 if we get in play off we are likely to have won more games than others to get their (due to -10) so why would it be so unlikely that we go up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaptopSaint Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I reckon it's two seasons to get out of this division. Leeds probably hoped it was two seasons to get out of this division too. Won't be easy, but I'm still hoping Pards has quietly been given a 5-7 million quid budget to spend on players (plus whatever he can make on sales) and that we can be top ten in with a shout of the play-offs with five games to go. Mind you, I convinced myself we'd finish top ten with an outside chance of the play-offs last summer too. So I'd best keep taking the pills. Come on Pards - 1 x quality of each of the following: right back; no nonsense centre back; box-to-box goalscoring midfielder; wide player with a decent cross; lightning fast striker. Oh, and get Morgan and Lallana playing to their full potential. Not too much to ask is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1729716,00.html 'The squad is a little thin on experience' ahhhhhhh.... breathe the fresh air! He's got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Having read and studied phsychology, I can exclusivley reveal what he means exactly; You haven't studied spelling though, but you're certainly right in the rest of what you say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 At the moment it does look like two seasons. This squad wasn't good enough last year, and is weaker now. After two years of losing more games than winning, they aren't going out there to suddenly wipe the floor with every side they play, even with a few new faces. Pardew is saying he must look at free transfers and try to improve the players he has and the way the team plays. That looks like a consolidation policy, and probably Marcus cannot splash the cash without upsetting the former creditors who may not have been fully paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 At the moment it does look like two seasons. This squad wasn't good enough last year, and is weaker now. After two years of losing more games than winning, they aren't going out there to suddenly wipe the floor with every side they play, even with a few new faces. Pardew is saying he must look at free transfers and try to improve the players he has and the way the team plays. That looks like a consolidation policy, and probably Marcus cannot splash the cash without upsetting the former creditors who may not have been fully paid. What has that got to do with anything? We are out of administration and the creditors have agreed to what they have been offered by Fry. The wealth of the person who takes over the club (or more correctly the holding company) has nothing to do with events afterwards. It's a bit like somebody buying a house at auction because the previous owner did not keep up their mortgage payments and feeling hard done by because the new owner puts a fancy extension on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 What has that got to do with anything? We are out of administration and the creditors have agreed to what they have been offered by Fry. The wealth of the person who takes over the club (or more correctly the holding company) has nothing to do with events afterwards. It's a bit like somebody buying a house at auction because the previous owner did not keep up their mortgage payments and feeling hard done by because the new owner puts a fancy extension on it. I agree surely if he has bought the club he wants to see it suceed and will spend sometimes. The creditors have been paid so what is the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 At the moment it does look like two seasons. This squad wasn't good enough last year, and is weaker now. After two years of losing more games than winning, they aren't going out there to suddenly wipe the floor with every side they play, even with a few new faces. Pardew is saying he must look at free transfers and try to improve the players he has and the way the team plays. That looks like a consolidation policy, and probably Marcus cannot splash the cash without upsetting the former creditors who may not have been fully paid. can't remember who has left Skacel, Surman, Euell and DMG off top of my head? We have replaced Skacel with proper LB euell won't be noticed. Surman - I would have liked to keep as decent player but was very poor last season. DMG has been replaced by John, Rasiak and Saga! I think there will be further ins and outs but am pretty confident we will be stronger and more balanced than last year, e.g. no fullbacks last year Harding and possibly Murty this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 can't remember who has left Skacel, Surman, Euell and DMG off top of my head? We have replaced Skacel with proper LB euell won't be noticed. Surman - I would have liked to keep as decent player but was very poor last season. DMG has been replaced by John, Rasiak and Saga! I think there will be further ins and outs but am pretty confident we will be stronger and more balanced than last year, e.g. no fullbacks last year Harding and possibly Murty this. But we have lost Saejis Saga and Rasiak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 still think we will end up better - and better balanced than last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 still think we will end up better - and better balanced than last season Well I hope so otherwise we will be in trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Well I hope so otherwise we will be in trouble think even bit worse squad with -10, in lower division with decent manager wouldn't be in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 A relatively small observation but nice to see him using the word 'we' even when talking about past events (e.g. "we had a bad season last year"). Subtle but reassuring. Yeah, because I remember many Redknapp interviews referring to us as "they" and it used to get right on my nerves! What happened next......yep, jumped ship! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 Saw AP on SSN this evening saying he was carrying a couple of unmotivated players who intended to remove quickly. I am paraphrasing here, but he seems to be on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 think even bit worse squad with -10, in lower division with decent manager wouldn't be in trouble. The problem is that Pardew has not been good when teams start losing from what I have read on Charlton sites. I think it is the same with most managers Redknapp Pearson JP Wotte Lawrie Mac could not get Saints to perform well after a series of defeats so it is important that we start well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I have seen many squads a lot worse than ours that have done so well in the championships and even the premiership. If you have a good coaching team then these players will improve as the confidence factor really does take over. Reading a few years back had a team of nobodies and yet Coppell got the very best from them. Hull City is another example as we beat them 5-0 at St Mary's the season before last, I cant recall anyone decent in that team when I was watching. Alan Pardew is teaching them the ABC guide of football and with it he wants players to understand his ways of thinking. I predict that this team will put a great run together and can product 8 wins on the bounce against what must be said some very below average standard division one teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I have seen many squads a lot worse than ours that have done so well in the championships and even the premiership. If you have a good coaching team then these players will improve as the confidence factor really does take over. Reading a few years back had a team of nobodies and yet Coppell got the very best from them. Hull City is another example as we beat them 5-0 at St Mary's the season before last, I cant recall anyone decent in that team when I was watching. Alan Pardew is teaching them the ABC guide of football and with it he wants players to understand his ways of thinking. I predict that this team will put a great run together and can product 8 wins on the bounce against what must be said some very below average standard division one teams. In theory the squad is OK and it was last season But on the football pitch it is not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
del boy Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I think I saw a quote at the weekend saying AP was targeting 5 games to overhaul the -10 points.....now it's Christmas. He can't have liked what he's seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordshire_saint Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I would expect no more than 2 or 3 new arrivals between now and the start of the season. Probably not as many as we need, but I have a feeling it'll get re-assessed in Jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I think I saw a quote at the weekend saying AP was targeting 5 games to overhaul the -10 points.....now it's Christmas. He can't have liked what he's seen. Where is Xmas mentioned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 (edited) Where is Xmas mentioned? What he said was he hoped to be in mid table by Xmas and would could be done then http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1729716,00.html AS in OP Edited 22 July, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 At least Pardew seems to have a clue! Get in a RB, CB and RM and an evil midfield general that can pass a bit and we will be ok IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 At least Pardew seems to have a clue! Get in a RB, CB and RM and an evil midfield general that can pass a bit and we will be ok IMO Not if they are no good;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westofshannonsaint Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 nice to see him using the word 'we' . Good point, well maid, its good to have a proper manager, who is saying the right things, like expecting a good home record. I thought I admired his ambition for us to be "somewhere near the middle" by Xmas. But we actually need to do even better than this if we're to make the play-offs this season. We're scheduled to play 22 league games before 25th December. . I cant really see the current team getting there this season but there seems to be a good chance next season I think the goal is to be in the chasing pack (of the top 6) by Christmas & hopefully join them after improving the squad in January. I was happy with Pardew when he was announced and I'm happier after seeing his comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigersaint Posted 22 July, 2009 Share Posted 22 July, 2009 I don't know if it becuase of new ownership, a completely fresh start and a renewed hope for the future of SFC but I feel more encouraged with AP's statements in the last few days than I have with other Manager that have come and gone in the last few years. Without trying to be influenced by some negative comments of AP's chequered past and Pilchards excellent and positive commentary from AP's first training session I actually find myself believing what I hear from the man. Not since WGS have I heard a manager speaking so confidently to the media about their thoughts and what the club needs without thinking to myself that they're only saying these words to try and appease fans and the board. Foe someone who has won championships and managed in the Premiership, AP has not arrived on a swagger with a speeches to raise our expectations for the season ahead. With the few evaluations he has made of the team so far I become more and more confident each day that AP is the right man to take us forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Not since WGS have I heard a manager speaking so confidently to the media about their thoughts and what the club needs without thinking to myself that they're only saying these words to try and appease fans and the board. Foe someone who has won championships and managed in the Premiership, AP has not arrived on a swagger with a speeches to raise our expectations for the season ahead. With the few evaluations he has made of the team so far I become more and more confident each day that AP is the right man to take us forward. I agree- there are lots of subtle but positive vibes from Pards. He's been brutally honest about our frailties but its wholly contructive - hence the 'we' and the belief in collective responsibility (successful though he was, even WSG always struck me as a bit of an outsider, a bit too obsessed with the sound of his own voice). Certainly, Pards honesty is a far, far cry from the redknapp-type criticisms that seemed made with a view to preparing an exit strategy, a self-defense if things went tits up. As you say, there's no need to appease the fans and board. Pards is not a stooge like JP or an operator like Burley, though I guess he can do this only because ML, Cortese and Oldknow have given him the space and license to impose himself on the club. All we need now is more quality in the side and I'm sure the results will follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 I have seen many squads a lot worse than ours that have done so well in the championships and even the premiership. . Pilchards, this time methinks you're well off the mark. Our squad is League 2 standard. I have seen no squad worse than ours in the CCC and Premiership I'm afraid. Whats more I have a feeling that the majority of League 1 teams are far better too. We need at least half a dozen experienced men - and we need them very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 At least Pardew seems to have a clue! Get in a RB, CB and RM and an evil midfield general that can pass a bit and we will be ok IMO ... and a couple of strikers. I also think we need x2 CBs not one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Good point, well maid, its good to have a proper manager, who is saying the right things, like expecting a good home record. I think the goal is to be in the chasing pack (of the top 6) by Christmas & hopefully join them after improving the squad in January. I was happy with Pardew when he was announced and I'm happier after seeing his comments. Yes I quite agree with what Pardew is saying but I do not think at the moment we will get to the play off this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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