StuRomseySaint Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Surely it is now time for the Saints Trust to fold? The joke of an organisation have had no communication with their 838 members *s******* for well over a year. Let's forget the falsely and fraudulant claims over their membership figures for a change. Their last AGM was almost 1 year to the day? Are they having one this year? It is time the Saints Trust ceased to exist, by all means set up a 'Supporters Club' if you want, people can choose to join it if they want, I guess it would be alot more respected if the usual crowd were not there. The fact the Saints Trust have not even communicated with their members since we entered administration 4 months ago, shows what utter contempt they have for their members and proves conclusively how the Trust is purely a vehicle for a few egos to get their mugs on TV. Time for the Saints Trust to fold. The club have moved on, so should they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 They pretty much don't exist anyway. They don't do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 23 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 23 July, 2009 They pretty much don't exist anyway. They don't do anything. They sponsor a roundabout and have a few banners flying from the lamp posts. And their Chairman goes on TV and Radio often to speak on behalf of the fans, he even manages to get him and Saints ridiculed in the Private Eye! Surely that's loads? I know deep down they don't exist, I just want them to admit it and shut the website down, stop speaking to the Echo as the 'Chairman of Saints Trust, SFC's largest fans organisation' etc et Same goes for SISA as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 They pretty much don't exist anyway. They don't do anything. Why should they carry on?.Their objective was the collective purchase of shares, as shares for sale no longer exist (and they lost their money) there is no longer any point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 My certificate of membership, will become a collectors piece.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 What we need is a social club like the one we had at The Dell, I know we have the bar at SMS, but there used to be some good nights and Sunday lunch times at the old place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 What we need is a social club like the one we had at The Dell, I know we have the bar at SMS, but there used to be some good nights and Sunday lunch times at the old place. dont the "trust" use a student bar before home games..? trust could only be useful as a supporters group, going to games together etc...that is it really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 dont the "trust" use a student bar before home games..? trust could only be useful as a supporters group, going to games together etc...that is it really Moved on to the upstairs of the King Alfred.......they used to have topless barmaids in the old Premiership days.....now replaced by bigger saggy old tits ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 dont the "trust" use a student bar before home games..? trust could only be useful as a supporters group, going to games together etc...that is it really I think you have missed my point, I would like to see a club like the one we had at The Dell for all supporters, you can't call the student bar a club can you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 The Saints Web Forum carries more weight than The Saints Trust! I bet the players, manager & directors are more interested in what we have to say than that complete idiot Illingsworth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 23 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 23 July, 2009 (edited) I think you have missed my point, I would like to see a club like the one we had at The Dell for all supporters, you can't call the student bar a club can you. Dell Cafe is a subscription supporters club, it should be rolled out on more evenings and non-matchdays for events, functions etc, get someone completely new to chair it, free or very cheap subscription, quarterly forums from the execs and management etc, subsidised travel club etc It needs to be run from someone within the club though, first and foremost, an employee to act as a link between fans and club. Edited 23 July, 2009 by StuRomseySaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 I think you have missed my point, I would like to see a club like the one we had at The Dell for all supporters, you can't call the student bar a club can you. there are far too many pubs between the ground and where ever people come from to make that properly worth while IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Chuckle Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 They sponsor a roundabout and have a few banners flying from the lamp posts. And their Chairman goes on TV and Radio often to speak on behalf of the fans, he even manages to get him and Saints ridiculed in the Private Eye! Surely that's loads? I know deep down they don't exist, I just want them to admit it and shut the website down, stop speaking to the Echo as the 'Chairman of Saints Trust, SFC's largest fans organisation' etc et Same goes for SISA as well. RE Sisa: read an interesting part in Dave Jones autobiography saying that when he arrived at Southampton that 3 members of Sisa approached him and said 'If you don't play MLT we will get you sacked' so not only are they the 'voice' of the fans but they were alsotrying to get involved in team selection as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 RE Sisa: read an interesting part in Dave Jones autobiography saying that when he arrived at Southampton that 3 members of Sisa approached him and said 'If you don't play MLT we will get you sacked' so not only are they the 'voice' of the fans but they were alsotrying to get involved in team selection as well. i dont think it is a secret that for years a certain vocal element of the fan base have done its own fair share of damage to this club...more than what fans should.. but apparently, you are not allowed to say that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 The Saints Web Forum carries more weight than The Saints Trust! I bet the players, manager & directors are more interested in what we have to say than that complete idiot Illingsworth I suspect they treat some opinions on both sides with contempt - because sometimes that is all they deserve. I don't know Illingsworth or any of the Saints Trust lot, but they have got off their arses and tried to do something. I might look at Illingsworth/Foley and think, "you're a different type of fan with different ideas to me", but the fact is that they stepped up to the plate and I haven't. I am sure that the Saints leadership look at this site to guage opinion, just as the Echo and others look at it too. That doesn't make any of the opinions on here any more valid than others, just that it's more accessible. If you've got a problem with it, ring South Today, get your face on TV and then maybe others on here can call you a ****.... I promise I won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 If you've got a problem with it, ring South Today, get your face on TV. Good post, for years NI, Foley, RC have been the ones the media contact as clearly they believe them to have the knowledge on related stories, if your knowledge & experience makes you better suited for 'the part' put yourself forward to the relevant outlets, call it direct marketing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 there are far too many pubs between the ground and where ever people come from to make that properly worth while IMO Thousands of people come over the bridge from Woolston each game. Between the Itchen Bridge and the ground there's only one pub, the Chapel Arms which has gone well downhill and is always full of away fans nowadays. Also the shuttle bus over the bridge takes you straight to the ground now as well, which means you'd have to walk back 5 minutes to go to the pub. If there was somewhere decent at the ground I'd use it. I really don't like drinking in the concourse though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killers Knee Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 drink on woolston side, get bus to match. you can donate my hefty consultancy fee to a non lager producing brewery near you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 drink on woolston side, get bus to match. you can donate my hefty consultancy fee to a non lager producing brewery near you. I've tried drinking in the Bridge, but prefer to be a bit closer to the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 The Saints Trust is dead, any credibility Illingsworth had was shot through as the Trust stood by and did/said nothing as Lowe came back and almost killed the club for good. There should still be a voice for the fans though, a supporters group where Season Ticket holders are automatically members and where all members are regularly consulted about their opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Dell Cafe is a subscription supporters club, it should be rolled out on more evenings and non-matchdays for events, functions etc, get someone completely new to chair it, free or very cheap subscription, quarterly forums from the execs and management etc, subsidised travel club etc It needs to be run from someone within the club though, first and foremost, an employee to act as a link between fans and club. It's a great matchday atmosphere in the Dell Club, but quite small. it could be used more mid-week though for supporters events, imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunty Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Thousands of people come over the bridge from Woolston each game. Between the Itchen Bridge and the ground there's only one pub, the Chapel Arms which has gone well downhill and is always full of away fans nowadays. Also the shuttle bus over the bridge takes you straight to the ground now as well, which means you'd have to walk back 5 minutes to go to the pub. If there was somewhere decent at the ground I'd use it. I really don't like drinking in the concourse though. Go to the Northam club, 2 minutes from the ground, opposite the garage in Northam Road, costs a couple of quid on the door, but cheap beer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 The Saints Web Forum carries more weight than The Saints Trust! I bet the players, manager & directors are more interested in what we have to say than that complete idiot Illingsworth I think there is alot of truth in this statement, albeit Illingsworth isnt an idiot... just irrelevant now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 i dont think it is a secret that for years a certain vocal element of the fan base have done its own fair share of damage to this club...more than what fans should.. but apparently, you are not allowed to say that That's right... because this is very poor English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Did they ever start?:-) I have no problems with the people who run it,I know most of them well and they are all dedicated saints fans but it's time they stopped trying to flog a dead horse. You do of course have a choice and you don't have to join which is what the majority have chosen to do so it is obvious to those involved that it is not popular. I like my fans to be fans and not try and get above themselves by trying to get a place on the board or trying to buy up shares etc etc. Our job is to support through thick and thin and pay through the nose for the privelage........nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 Fair Play to NI for being vocal about his views and trying to help his club. Many fans hide behind their computer screens (and I include myself here) and snipe from cover, whereas NI gets up, says what he beleives and opens himself up for attack. I don't always agree with what he has to say and his claims of being the voice of the fans often irritates me, but I respect him for getting invovled. The trust has probably reached the end on its natural life. I suspect the original mandate of the trust has been achieved so it should either reinvent itself as a supporters club or bow out gracefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 They sponsor a roundabout and have a few banners flying from the lamp posts. And their Chairman goes on TV and Radio often to speak on behalf of the fans, he even manages to get him and Saints ridiculed in the Private Eye! Surely that's loads? I know deep down they don't exist, I just want them to admit it and shut the website down, stop speaking to the Echo as the 'Chairman of Saints Trust, SFC's largest fans organisation' etc et Same goes for SISA as well. Amen to that. One of the nicest little sidelines to the ML takeover is the cutting off at the knees (hopefully terminally) of any prospect of a ruddy "fan owned" club. Anything that keeps the anorak mafia away from the levers "of power" is nothing but the best thing for the club for the next fifty years. And, thank flid, it's all gone quiet on the "if we all put £500 in we'd be just like Barcelona" guffmound. Phew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 When we were in crisis the Saints Trust played a valuable part in trying to cordinate supporters to do something about it. I think that should be commended. A lot of people just walked away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 23 July, 2009 Share Posted 23 July, 2009 When we were in crisis the Saints Trust played a valuable part in trying to cordinate supporters to do something about it. I think that should be commended. A lot of people just walked away. Lol. Most people realised that it would make no difference to any outcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 24 July, 2009 Share Posted 24 July, 2009 When we were in crisis the Saints Trust played a valuable part in trying to cordinate supporters to do something about it. I think that should be commended. A lot of people just walked away. What did they do, can't remember them doing anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Gotsmanov Posted 24 July, 2009 Share Posted 24 July, 2009 A lot of people whinged on this forum, the Saints Trust actively looked to rally support to find alternatives. 'All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing'. They tried to do something! Anyway tomorrow is about Hampshire and a good trip to London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 24 July, 2009 Share Posted 24 July, 2009 It looks like the Trusts website has been hacked. http://www.saintstrust.co.uk/news.php?id=217 http://www.saintstrust.co.uk/news.php?id=218 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 24 July, 2009 Share Posted 24 July, 2009 The Saints Trust is dead, any credibility Illingsworth had was shot through as the Trust stood by and did/said nothing as Lowe came back and almost killed the club for good. Completely agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 24 July, 2009 Share Posted 24 July, 2009 What happened when the club was on its knees due to the actions of Lowe? Did the Trust do anything? Did they f--k!!! It took the actions of one fan on Facebook to galvanise the actions of the fans. The Trust did nothing. As far as im concerned(and everyone else i know),the Trust are a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 24 July, 2009 Share Posted 24 July, 2009 What happened when the club was on its knees due to the actions of Lowe? Did the Trust do anything? Did they f--k!!! It took the actions of one fan on Facebook to galvanise the actions of the fans. The Trust did nothing. As far as im concerned(and everyone else i know),the Trust are a joke. My brothers a hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 24 July, 2009 Share Posted 24 July, 2009 Your brother is indeed a hero Le God. He has my thanks for actually getting off his arse and organising a successful protest against Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 24 July, 2009 Share Posted 24 July, 2009 Your brother is indeed a hero Le God. He has my thanks for actually getting off his arse and organising a successful protest against Lowe. Indeed, have to respect him for that, even if it was mildly all a bit embarrassing at the time :-o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 24 July, 2009 Share Posted 24 July, 2009 time to move on from all the past off pitch antics - board, fans arguements etc We don't need fans groups, trusts, face book. We need season ticket holders and matchday ticket holders - go, support and enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 24 July, 2009 Share Posted 24 July, 2009 Fair Play to NI for being vocal about his views and trying to help his club. Many fans hide behind their computer screens (and I include myself here) and snipe from cover, whereas NI gets up, says what he beleives and opens himself up for attack. I don't always agree with what he has to say and his claims of being the voice of the fans often irritates me, but I respect him for getting invovled. The trust has probably reached the end on its natural life. I suspect the original mandate of the trust has been achieved so it should either reinvent itself as a supporters club or bow out gracefully. The Trust has certainly reached the end of its natural life. There can be no doubt about that now. I've never been a fan of their's but can recognise a small number of good things that came of the Trust's formation. But I think what would be sad to see now would be for the Trust to carry on as SISA has done for many years, abusing a previous and no longer held position so that a handful of vocal imbeciles can achieve their ambition to gain media space, supposedly in the name of the fans. I don't know Nick Illingsworth, and so wouldn't want to judge the man on a personal level, but I'd hope that if he really held the club's interests at heart he'd realise this moribund association of his was dead in the water, as was his role as a self-made spokesman of the fans, and see him and the Trust retreat into the background as soon as possible. And stay there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 25 July, 2009 Share Posted 25 July, 2009 The Trust has certainly reached the end of its natural life. There can be no doubt about that now. I've never been a fan of their's but can recognise a small number of good things that came of the Trust's formation. But I think what would be sad to see now would be for the Trust to carry on as SISA has done for many years, abusing a previous and no longer held position so that a handful of vocal imbeciles can achieve their ambition to gain media space, supposedly in the name of the fans. I don't know Nick Illingsworth, and so wouldn't want to judge the man on a personal level, but I'd hope that if he really held the club's interests at heart he'd realise this moribund association of his was dead in the water, as was his role as a self-made spokesman of the fans, and see him and the Trust retreat into the background as soon as possible. And stay there. I can see the trust fading away but NI, i suspect we will be hearing from him again....and again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 25 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 25 July, 2009 All the club needs is a full time employee who's full time job is Customer Relations. B*llocks to all the fan representation. The Trust have managed to kill off anyones belief that a supporters organisation will succeed. I wonder if the Trust are going to explain why the Trust have not communicated with their membership ONCE since administration? People have paid money to own a share in the Trust ( well some have, lol ) Why have the Trust not contacted their members, even if it is just a holding statement to let their membership know where they stand. I will tell you why, because Nick Illingsworth and the rest of the Trust board do not give a fook about their membership, they do not give a fook about representing their membership, all they give a fook about is having an organisation they claim to represent so that they can get their mugs on the TV as often as possible. B*llocks to all the sh!te about 'well at least they actually got of their arses' blah blah blah.... did they? What have they actually done? Their website is out of date, they have not had an AGM since 2007, they have sat in silence since inception, the only time they have released statements/ideas, they have done so on a personal level, and not once have they ever represented anyone other than themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Chuckle Posted 25 July, 2009 Share Posted 25 July, 2009 Bring back the 'Ted Bates Trust' and let them comission a statue of Marcus Leibherr I say! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diggers Posted 25 July, 2009 Share Posted 25 July, 2009 Firstly, I do know Nick and so this is not just conjecture, Nick kind of adopted the trust my default and it was in a right mess when he did. The only cheque signituary had moved from the country and their bank had frozen the account. Nick does care passionately about Saints. Lowe did confide a lot of the financial predicament to him and my take on his strategy leading to the admin was that he was really fearful that the club might either fold or find a crap buyer with no proper backing. True he does bang on a bit, it's normally the press who contact him, but lay off the guy please. How many of you stood outside the ground with buckets? He spends a considerable percentage of his life supporting the club and organising things on behalf of other fans. Back to the trust, Nick probably thinks that in it's current guise it's a lame duck. I don't get fans slagging off other fans when they're just trying to do something to help in their spare time. Sorry if there's typo's but typed this on my phone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 25 July, 2009 Share Posted 25 July, 2009 The trust was ok to rally support of shares to oust Lowe. That was it's original purpose and so it's just not needed now. Have to say I don't get the whole supporter group thing. This is a football CLUB which maintains it's memberships. If we hold ST's or Memberships then we belong to THE club - why is some other group needed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobM Posted 25 July, 2009 Share Posted 25 July, 2009 The ST were pointless, arrogant and desperate for attention when we were a PLC and they were trying to get enough shares to have a voice and oust Lowe. We're no longer a PLC so their only possible justification for existence is no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 25 July, 2009 Share Posted 25 July, 2009 Poll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 25 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 25 July, 2009 Firstly, I do know Nick and so this is not just conjecture, Nick kind of adopted the trust my default and it was in a right mess when he did. The only cheque signituary had moved from the country and their bank had frozen the account. Nick does care passionately about Saints. Lowe did confide a lot of the financial predicament to him and my take on his strategy leading to the admin was that he was really fearful that the club might either fold or find a crap buyer with no proper backing. True he does bang on a bit, it's normally the press who contact him, but lay off the guy please. How many of you stood outside the ground with buckets? He spends a considerable percentage of his life supporting the club and organising things on behalf of other fans. Back to the trust, Nick probably thinks that in it's current guise it's a lame duck. I don't get fans slagging off other fans when they're just trying to do something to help in their spare time. Sorry if there's typo's but typed this on my phone! To be honest, no offence but I am sick to the back teeth hearing the 'well at least they are doing something' line. No, no they haven't. The Saints Trust have done the bare minimum for their membership, doing just enough to allow them the perks, such as direct contact with the board of SFC and interviews for press and media. The bucket collection was arranged through this forum, it simply carried Saints Trust name, the same with Saints Aid. So no, the Saints Trust board members are not 'trying to help other Saints fans in their spare time' , they are trying to get their mugs on TV as often as possible and cosy up to the board. Luckily now, we won't have a fan anywhere near the board, SFC is a business, it is a business owned by ML, and what he says, goes. How many privately owned businesses have their customers on the board? Not many, thank fook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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