Master Bates Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 CRYSTAL Palace are closing in on a double capture - Southampton striker Stern John and Derby defender Claude Davis. http://www.southlondon-today.co.uk/tn/Sport.cfm?id=29649&headline=Exclusive: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 CRYSTAL Palace are closing in on a double capture - Southampton striker Stern John and Derby defender Claude Davis. http://www.southlondon-today.co.uk/tn/Sport.cfm?id=29649&headline=Exclusive: Probably why he hasn't signed the contract thats been offered by SFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spank_182 Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 Please no! I suppose if we keep Rasiak then that's alright, but if we get rid of both we're screwed again, no way Patterson and White are going to get us enough goals (assuming hit or miss Saga is off too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 doh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 I will be very disappointed if this happens ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 I wonder if we are paying him whilst he gets fit for Palace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 28 July, 2009 Author Share Posted 28 July, 2009 Explains why he has no squad number too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 Explains why he has no squad number too. Surely this wouldn't make any difference though, as you can't be given a squad number unless you have a contract with the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 if we lose Rasiak, Stern and Saga I would presume that would free up a considerable amount of wages - if indeed the intention is to run the club as though it was a business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 If we keep Rasiak as a result (possibly a Pardew plan?) the move will be OK... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dello Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 that's a real shame- you can't expect him to stay though if he's being offered more money and a higher level of football i reckon someone will come in for rasiak before long although i suspect there will be no takers for saga so it could well be him and patterson next season if stern does go then we really ought to be on the lookout for a new striker, someone along the lines of a Micky Evans is what we need in this league... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 Explains why he has no squad number too. There's no-one currently with the number 14 he wore in the last season he was actually in the Saints team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 Surely this wouldn't make any difference though, as you can't be given a squad number unless you have a contract with the club. That's not actually true, lots of teams assign number 12 to "their fans", ghey though it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St_Tel49 Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 I wonder if we are paying him whilst he gets fit for Palace? No - he is out of contract as far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfredKo Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 How accurate is this stupid newspaper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 You can't help people wondering if we are going to see any of Liebherr's cash or if the club will run as a self-funding business. On the +ve side I really can't think Pards would have accepted a job on the third tier if he hadn't been promised a considerable amount of money to spend. But on the down side he still hasn't employed his assistants, we have signed only one player who is in the 'potential as youth, lost his way the past few years, looking to re-build his career' mould we saw all to much of last season. If Stern is also off you would have to think, as well as them being a league above us, money they would have to be offering more cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabrone Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 Hope this isn't true. If he goes then keeping Rasiak becomes an even bigger priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 Either Stern wants to stay or not, if hes been offered a cone tract then I would rather he just sign it and get on with the job. Not fanny about waiting to see what else comes in. Either you're part of the revival or fack off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 You can't help people wondering if we are going to see any of Liebherr's cash or if the club will run as a self-funding business. On the +ve side I really can't think Pards would have accepted a job on the third tier if he hadn't been promised a considerable amount of money to spend. But on the down side he still hasn't employed his assistants, we have signed only one player who is in the 'potential as youth, lost his way the past few years, looking to re-build his career' mould we saw all to much of last season. If Stern is also off you would have to think, as well as them being a league above us, money they would have to be offering more cash. Hmm does this mean that Palace are out muscling us financially? Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigShadow Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 Hmm does this mean that Palace are out muscling us financially? Interesting. Possibly, but not necessarily. Simple fact is - Palace are in the Championship and we are League 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 I think AP has made it clear he only wants players who want to be at the club. If John prefers the wages or CCC football at Palace then he should be allowed to go anyway. Plenty more fish in the sea before the transfer window shuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintjersey Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 Possibly, but not necessarily. Simple fact is - Palace are in the Championship and we are League 1. I think if he goes to Palace it will be because they have offered him more money than we have, no other explanation IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genk Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 Mixed reactions on the Palace forum. One poster rates Saga more which is interesting. Have a gander. http://forums.cpfc.org/showthread.php?t=188724 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 I think after the initial furore of the new owners arrival, it will sink in to most that we have RL part 2 but with a much better PR face. The club they said from day 1 would have to stand on its own feet, and apart from a little bit here and there i suspect we will be run as a profit making company.I would keep back from lauding it over other fans as i think it may back fire on you. we are saved that is the best bit, the rest will be struggle and perhaps an initial putting in a bit of funds to help stave off the relegation thing, after that we will be much on our own. A leopard does not change its spots. Iam not against that by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 Well I will drive Saga up their if they want himover Stern - I thought STern wanted to play for us based n his reactions in Pichards excellent training thread and he was certainly up for it against hearts - surely the only question is does stern want to play championship or L1 I don't think money will enter into it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowds Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 Didn't that paper also suggest they were signing BWP? Hope john will stay for 90mins of football. I can't see him getting that at palace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 I think after the initial furore of the new owners arrival, it will sink in to most that we have RL part 2 but with a much better PR face. The club they said from day 1 would have to stand on its own feet, and apart from a little bit here and there i suspect we will be run as a profit making company.I would keep back from lauding it over other fans as i think it may back fire on you. we are saved that is the best bit, the rest will be struggle and perhaps an initial putting in a bit of funds to help stave off the relegation thing, after that we will be much on our own. A leopard does not change its spots. Iam not against that by the way. 'kin ell nick give it time ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWD Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 Nooooo please stay SJ we need you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 Would explain why we haven't heard anything about Stern signing a new deal yet. If we do lose John, Rasiak and Saga, which is quite possible in my opinion, then we really will be short of numbers in attack. I don't think White and Paterson are ready yet, and neither player is capable of scoring 20+ goals in this division. Would love to be proved wrong though. Also, isn't the silence coming out of the club deafening at the minute? There has been no news on Pardew's backroom staff, nothing on new signings and we haven't heard anything about those who are signing contract extensions. With the start of the season less than two weeks away, we really do need to get a move on, otherwise we really will be playing catch-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 I think after the initial furore of the new owners arrival, it will sink in to most that we have RL part 2 but with a much better PR face. The club they said from day 1 would have to stand on its own feet, and apart from a little bit here and there i suspect we will be run as a profit making company.I would keep back from lauding it over other fans as i think it may back fire on you. we are saved that is the best bit, the rest will be struggle and perhaps an initial putting in a bit of funds to help stave off the relegation thing, after that we will be much on our own. A leopard does not change its spots. Iam not against that by the way. they have said regular investment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg_hill Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 I think after the initial furore of the new owners arrival, it will sink in to most that we have RL part 2 but with a much better PR face. The club they said from day 1 would have to stand on its own feet, and apart from a little bit here and there i suspect we will be run as a profit making company.I would keep back from lauding it over other fans as i think it may back fire on you. we are saved that is the best bit, the rest will be struggle and perhaps an initial putting in a bit of funds to help stave off the relegation thing, after that we will be much on our own. A leopard does not change its spots. Iam not against that by the way. Remarkably pessimistic, and I can only hope you are wrong. I would guess that the club will stick to a wage structure and not break the bank just to keep someone like SJ (much as I rate him) at SMS. As someone said, surely it will come down to loyalty and a desire for 90 minutes at Saints vs higher status and wages at Palace. As for being run as a profit making company, that is not going to happen unless we get back to the EPL. I can't see that ML spent 10M+ on us just to settle for generating a few thousand every few months in L1. You say a leopard never changes its spots, but this leopard is still a cub, give it a chance! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truesaint Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 May have something to do with agent, creating a few rumours. Trying to get a better deal with us? Just trying to look on the bright side! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 It is possible that the new regime think promotion is impossible this year and just want the team to consolidate but I would expect a few players to be signed in the coming weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareham saint phil Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 I think after the initial furore of the new owners arrival, it will sink in to most that we have RL part 2 but with a much better PR face. The club they said from day 1 would have to stand on its own feet, and apart from a little bit here and there i suspect we will be run as a profit making company.I would keep back from lauding it over other fans as i think it may back fire on you. we are saved that is the best bit, the rest will be struggle and perhaps an initial putting in a bit of funds to help stave off the relegation thing, after that we will be much on our own. A leopard does not change its spots. Iam not against that by the way. They were quoted as saying funds were to be available, just because we haven't been putting bids in for kaka or rooney etc doesn't mean AP isn't trying to do something, the season hasn't even started yet and already you are comparing the new owners to the arsehole before, one big difference RL was never the owner just thought he was. Some people will never be happy no matter what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadhall Saint Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 I think after the initial furore of the new owners arrival, it will sink in to most that we have RL part 2 but with a much better PR face. The club they said from day 1 would have to stand on its own feet, and apart from a little bit here and there i suspect we will be run as a profit making company.I would keep back from lauding it over other fans as i think it may back fire on you. we are saved that is the best bit, the rest will be struggle and perhaps an initial putting in a bit of funds to help stave off the relegation thing, after that we will be much on our own. A leopard does not change its spots. Iam not against that by the way. can't agree with the RL part 2 bit TBH Nick. They have said they will make funds available (more than RL) they also purchased the club (again more money than RL ever put in). Obviously I'd like to see a bit more activity bringing in players but I'm sure its not like going to Tesco's and turning up in the Center Back aisle. More concerned that AP hasn't brought in any of his own backroom staff TBH. At the end of the day - AP is a very experienced manager which leads me to believe he knows what he's doing - I'm happy with that for the time being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 Don't know how much the stadium loan cost us but clearing that is plenty of investment for this year. Pardew won't be cheap either. Nick - not still after MJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labibs Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 How old is John now 32? He's got a bit of a dodgy back as well, if he could secure a 2 year contract on decent wages at Palace, it would make sense.He could then swan off back to the US to finish out his career. I agree about the club having a sensible wage structure and sticking to it. Overpaying for 'superstar' players on big contracts is what got us into this mess. I don't think Liebherr will spend massive money on us. Promotion is going to be very difficult this year, so there's little point in spending crazy money. I'd much prefer we build a decent side, get us going in the right direction with a few shrewd signings and then push on again next summer. Those are talking up Liebherr as a billionaire are expecting a little too much I think. If we do lose Saga, Rasiak and John, then would free up a hell of a lot of wages off the books, especially with BWP, John and DMG already gone. You would imagine that AP has targets in mind to replace them, no-one sane would countenance going into a league 1 season with just White and Paterson as strikers. AP has said that we are a bit behind schedule, transfers may not go through until the season is already underway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 I think sticking to a wage structure is very important. (Look down the road or at the last two seasons for proof). SJ is a decent player, but hardly irreplaceable, any more than Saga or Rasiak - none of then are young or set the CCC alight last season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeySFC Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 If he signs a new contract then this story will be dismissed...it's just tabloid rumour i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotonjoe Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 I think after the initial furore of the new owners arrival, it will sink in to most that we have RL part 2 but with a much better PR face. One of the most preposterous, and potentially deliberately attention seeking, claims made on here in recent history; not to mention another missed apostrophe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Faz Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 If stern john goes - he goes, personally id rather keep Rasiak if at all possible, but regardless, we need to give the new regime time - at least to the end of the transfer window, before we can make any real judgements on how much they will invest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 Don't know how much the stadium loan cost us but clearing that is plenty of investment for this year. Pardew won't be cheap either. Nick - not still after MJ? Nick you say "clearing the stadium loan" but really that was all wrapped up in the purchase price when ML acquired the club (12m?) so he got a bargain imo. However I am today hearing positive news that substantual (for a club outside the Prem) funds will be made available should they be required. I guess it is going to take time but after the last few years we are all anxious to get the cart back on the right track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 If SJ decides he wants to play in a higher division so be it. He is a free agent. I agree that there won't be a gazillion pounds spent in the first 60 days, but there will be new investment. The new board will know that a mediocre side battling to stay in this division will not be acceptable to the fans. AP will also have been given assurances that money was available prior to him joining. Let's be patient my friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 One of the most preposterous, and potentially deliberately attention seeking, claims made on here in recent history; not to mention another missed apostrophe. "potentially deliberately" - What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 I think I'd rather keep Rasiak over Stern IMHO, but both would be exceptional in this league. (I'd include Saga in that too). I'd be gutted if John went, but he's already said he's willing to stay, so perhaps if the contract AP is offering him is good enough, he will. With players like Saga, Rasiak, John and Morgan, it's a case of trying to persuade them that we are building for the future here. Fingers crossed AP can keep one, two or even all of them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 'kin ell nick give it time ffsit's not a complaint just an observation.I will be delighted to be wrong, but reading what they have said it seems what is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 "potentially deliberately" - What?Lol, I love it when the grammar police trip up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 They were quoted as saying funds were to be available, just because we haven't been putting bids in for kaka or rooney etc doesn't mean AP isn't trying to do something, the season hasn't even started yet and already you are comparing the new owners to the arsehole before, one big difference RL was never the owner just thought he was. Some people will never be happy no matter what iam very happy, i made an observation not a complaint.Iam very happy to have a football club to support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 I think after the initial furore of the new owners arrival, it will sink in to most that we have RL part 2 but with a much better PR face. The club they said from day 1 would have to stand on its own feet, and apart from a little bit here and there i suspect we will be run as a profit making company.I would keep back from lauding it over other fans as i think it may back fire on you. we are saved that is the best bit, the rest will be struggle and perhaps an initial putting in a bit of funds to help stave off the relegation thing, after that we will be much on our own. A leopard does not change its spots. Iam not against that by the way. As we are L1 now, an Mr L has (apparently) paid off the stadium loan, and cleared the overdraft, that must have reduced our costs considerably. That's actually quite a big help. No doubt signings will have to fit with projected revenue (whether that's a projection over the short or over a longer term we have yet to find out). What we also don't know yet is whether Mr L will also be setting up a stadium holding company to whom the club will have to pay a rent, reducing the cost saving benefits. You could be right about RL part2, but the new Mr L might not be so lacking in ambition, and may well be prepared to take a longer term view of costs and income, so the business plan could be more "flexible". I'm sure he realises that and won't want a floundering L1 team club on his hands. He has appointed Pardew who certainly isn't another 40k a year man or whatever Lowe was paying MW & JP, so there is some evidence that he is prepared to spend to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 28 July, 2009 Share Posted 28 July, 2009 What strikes me more than anything is the complete lack of rumours coming out of SMS. Everyone in there or at Staplewood has learnt to keep their mouths shut. If there is no transfer activity either for players or for backroom staff there isn't even rumours about the inactivity! It's strangely infuriating after years of leaks and rumours. This is what it must feel like for a dog to be without a bone until dinner time. It looks like AP is keeping his powder dry until he knows what is happening in the striking department. If they all go we have one situation and if they all stay we have another. Rasiak and Saga would also attract fees, however modest, especially in the case of Saga. It was made clear that there would be funds available for progress, although proportionate to the task. I can't see that AP would have arrived here knowing that there was no money, since he must have thought the same as we did before the Hearts game, that the team didn't have a hope even to survive in L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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