70's Mike Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Is he injured? if not has he had a game for wolves yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Is he injured? if not has he had a game for wolves yet? I don't know whether he is injured ... but so far he has had 37 minutes of League action for Wolves. I am sure that his bank balance looks healthy being a minor bits player for a Premiership team but what a waste of a good player. I would love to see him return to Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 I wonder if the takeover had gone through earlier if Surman might have stayed ? If you consider the sole purpose of a football career to be the accumulation of large balances in your bank account then the question may seem ridiculous , but at a deeper level any decent player 'worth his salt' should want to spend the best years of his career playing regularly I'd have thought - to be brutally honest Andrew Surman may not be quite special enough to feature regularly in the EPL it would seem . The fate of Surman bares a eerie similarity to that of his erstwhile teammate Chris Baird in that a 'dream' move to the Prem doesn't always work out - a lesson Adam Lallana seems to have heeded . This problem may be self correcting as it looks like Wolves have become a yo-yo club (they're so bad they managed to lose to PFC !) so AS may well get a proper chance to show them what he can do in the CCC next season . I wish him well . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 As we saw last year, a young player coming into a struggling side does not always work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 I don't know whether he is injured ... but so far he has had 37 minutes of League action for Wolves. I am sure that his bank balance looks healthy being a minor bits player for a Premiership team but what a waste of a good player. I would love to see him return to Saints. Money over football,an all too common problem in football today. Contrary to popular belief surman wanted to leave in January,so although I think he is a good player I don't have any sympathy for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Hugely overrated footballer, as Mcarthy now realizes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 I do not think that Drew ever wanted to leave, Fry and the clubs finacial position forced him out during the Takeover Debacle. I think Drew will always be a Southampton boy and probably thinks he did his bit to save SFC by moving and bringing in a million pounds when the club was desperate for funds, and I agree he did. But I am sure he now thinks it was a bad move and would come back to SFC in a second, given the chance. Why do we not try to at least get him back on loan and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Hugely overrated footballer, as Mcarthy now realizes. Totally disagree , Top class prospect but he is at a club he has no feelings or interest in.There is a world of difference between a bad footballer and a unmotivated footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 I do not think that Drew ever wanted to leave, Fry and the clubs finacial position forced him out during the Takeover Debacle. I think Drew will always be a Southampton boy and probably thinks he did his bit to save SFC by moving and bringing in a million pounds when the club was desperate for funds, and I agree he did. But I am sure he now thinks it was a bad move and would come back to SFC in a second, given the chance. Why do we not try to at least get him back on loan and see what happens. Read my post above....he wanted to leave in January,unless killer is lying of course. The takeover was a convenient smokescreen for his departure IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish fingers Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Hugely overrated footballer, as Mcarthy now realizes. I very much agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintstr1 Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Read my post above....he wanted to leave in January,unless killer is lying of course. The takeover was a convenient smokescreen for his departure IMO. Sorry but I heard it differently , He was sold on the belief that he was helping the club he loved so much, Hence the reason he can not fit in at Wolves, his heart is not in it. I bet he wishes ML had come on the scene a little quicker or should that be FRY had sorted things out better by going Swiss before he did. Either way I think you will find that Andrew Surman was the sacrificial cow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 any footballer worth his salt wants a shot at the PL, and not just for the money. its not always the best option though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Is he injured? if not has he had a game for wolves yet? He's got a knee injury, i think it's quite a bad one - he did it in training. It's a shame - because he was starting to play in a few matches, i saw him as a sub against wigan (i think) on MOTD and he didn't look out of place/off the pace at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 It's a shame - because he was starting to play in a few matches, i saw him as a sub against wigan (i think) on MOTD and he didn't look out of place/off the pace at all. Stats say he has made 1 appearance, none as sub... Overrated, largely because he lacked pace, though that could have just been another Burley legacy I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rooney Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 I was sorry to see him leave as he was a good player for us. However, he did lack pace for the Premiership, especially in the last 15 mins of each game when he often looked kn...ckrd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Read my post above....he wanted to leave in January,unless killer is lying of course. The takeover was a convenient smokescreen for his departure IMO. There are far better voices of authority on this forum on Andrew Surman and who can substantiate their opinions. You are clearly not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Decent player at CCC level but he's not a EPL player, lacks the pace. I'd love to have him back on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 I don't know whether he is injured ... but so far he has had 37 minutes of League action for Wolves. I am sure that his bank balance looks healthy being a minor bits player for a Premiership team but what a waste of a good player. I would love to see him return to Saints. Not suprised, League One is more his level then the Premiership is imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Godfather Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 He is recovering from a minor ligament injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesaint sfc Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Hugely overrated footballer, as Mcarthy now realizes. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Watch us re-sign him at the end of next season after we win promotion to The Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 OK, I will declare an interest here. I have been good friends of Drew's mum and dad since 1971 and keep in regular touch. Drew was approached by the club when it was in Administration and it was put to him that he might have to be sold to bring in finances to pay the wages. I will not say what then happened over the next month or so as that has to remain private. Eventually with the club still saying they needed him to go to raise money he signed for Wolves and sent a nice letter to Sheffield United thanking them for their interest. He is very happy at Wolves. He knows he will need to keep battling to get a start but he is most certainly part of the match day squad. Unfortunately a few weeks ago he suffered a knee injury and that has kept him out. He would have been very happy to stay at Saints and was still under contract. Had we been bought out of Administration earlier would he have stayed? Everything I have been told suggests he would. Personally I think we have lost a fine player but am pleased for the lad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 OK, I will declare an interest here. I have been good friends of Drew's mum and dad since 1971 and keep in regular touch. Drew was approached by the club when it was in Administration and it was put to him that he might have to be sold to bring in finances to pay the wages. I will not say what then happened over the next month or so as that has to remain private. Eventually with the club still saying they needed him to go to raise money he signed for Wolves and sent a nice letter to Sheffield United thanking them for their interest. He is very happy at Wolves. He knows he will need to keep battling to get a start but he is most certainly part of the match day squad. Unfortunately a few weeks ago he suffered a knee injury and that has kept him out. He would have been very happy to stay at Saints and was still under contract. Had we been bought out of Administration earlier would he have stayed? Everything I have been told suggests he would. Personally I think we have lost a fine player but am pleased for the lad. Thank you Weston. That is the definitive post and should close this debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callysaint76 Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 I think he will make it in the Prem albeit in a bottom half team. A football brain (which drew has) is just as important as pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verbal Kint Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 I think he will make it in the Prem albeit in a bottom half team. A football brain (which drew has) is just as important as pace. Drew has the vision and football brain to see passes and spaces that other players don't. Unfortunately he lacks the ability to carry them out. Coupled that with his staggering lack of pace and inability to tackle and he's never going to be a premier league player. Always gave his all though and you can never ask for more than that. Hope he gets a run of games at Wolves soon when he's fit again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Stimp Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 I think he will make it in the Prem albeit in a bottom half team. A football brain (which drew has) is just as important as pace. Agreed, he also needs some decent experienced players to learn his trade off of. Something we couldn't really give him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicestersaint Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Hugely overrated footballer, as Mcarthy now realizes. Well, like a lot of other people, I think you are completely wrong - time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Hugely overrated footballer, as Mcarthy now realizes.Actually McCarthy is very pleased with Drew. Even bought him on to do a job for Wolves when they were 1-0 up against Wigan away telling him he was putting him on as he knew he could hold the midfield. He did and they won. When you know what you are talking about DT or if you had expressed it as an opinion then fine but your post comes out as a statement of fact. It is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marino Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 My Wolves ST-holding mate says the fans liked what they saw of Surman in pre-season and also when he has come on as a sub in the league, albeit briefly. If he was not injured they feel he would be very close to starting bearing in mind Wolves recent results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 (edited) I don't think anyone can blame Surman for moving to Wolves. He had a chance to prove he could cut it in the Prem and he had several seasons of regular league football behind him - he would have been mad not to give that a go. If it doesn't work out he can drop back to the CCC where he clearly is a decent player. Personally, I don't think he's good enough to play as a winger in the Prem and I don't think he's good enough to play centre mid unless he has an exceptional partner alongside him. I think it's a different situation to the likes of Bale or Walcott who arguably moved too early in their development (Bale in particular, who is in danger of squandering one of the most prodigious natural talents I have seen in a Saints player). Edited 9 October, 2009 by benjii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Faz Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Agreed, he also needs some decent experienced players to learn his trade off of. Something we couldn't really give him here. Absolutley, he was playing in a midfield where he was at times the most experienced player, when he should have had some experience in there to help him develop. shame we had to lose him, think he would have played well in our current set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 There are far better voices of authority on this forum on Andrew Surman and who can substantiate their opinions. You are clearly not one of them. Killers words..... Surman wanted to leave in the January window,he had 2 offers both well paid. He was pursuaded to stay until the end of the season to help us try and stay up on the promise that he would be allowed to leave at the end of the season. Believe what you wish,I choose to believe a former assistant manager and not some looney on a forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Richard of Woolston Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 I will be v surprised if Andrew Surman establishes himself in the Premiership due to lack of strength and lack of pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Mullet Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Met him a few times - nice lad and I don't begrudge him doing the best for him and his family. With a better squad around him I'm sure he could have really shone for Saints. I note what others ahve said about players leaving too soon. Personally I think it was the right time for Surman. Lallana on the other hand does need to stay to develop further. I would add Bale's name to the debate - what a waste of incredible talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 I don't think anyone can blame Surman for moving to Wolves. He had a chance to prove he could cut it in the Prem and he had several seasons of regular league football behind him - he would have been mad not to give that a go. If it doesn't work out he can drop back to the CCC where he clearly is a decent player. Personally, I don't think he's good enough to play as a winger in the Prem and I don't think he's good enough to play centre mid unless he has an exceptional partner alongside him. I think it's a different situation to the likes of Bale or Walcott who arguably moved too early in their development (Bale in particular, who is in danger of squandering one of the most prodigious natural talents I have seen in a Saints player). Met him a few times - nice lad and I don't begrudge him doing the best for him and his family. With a better squad around him I'm sure he could have really shone for Saints. I note what others ahve said about players leaving too soon. Personally I think it was the right time for Surman. Lallana on the other hand does need to stay to develop further. I would add Bale's name to the debate - what a waste of incredible talent. Well, you would if I had not already! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 plenty of time for him to improve and force his way into the Wolves side. People point to the Baird more as a dissaster, but he has been patient and now finally has managed to win Roy Hodgeson over (although perhaps not yet to the degree that he is first choice). In the mean time he's earned a fortune. I was dissapointed to see Surman go, he gave everything in games, but it was the right move for him if he was to maximise his potential. Now he has gone he means nothing to me just like all the rest that have gone through the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Met him a few times - nice lad and I don't begrudge him doing the best for him and his family. With a better squad around him I'm sure he could have really shone for Saints. I note what others ahve said about players leaving too soon. Personally I think it was the right time for Surman. Lallana on the other hand does need to stay to develop further. I would add Bale's name to the debate - what a waste of incredible talent. I think Bale will still go on to great things although I'm not sure Sad sack is the ideal manager for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Personally I don't think he's good enough to be anything other than a Lower Championship/League 1 player.Lacks pace and a bit of heart in my opinion. Seems a decent lad and I hope he does well and I'm proved wrong, but like Cranie he'll not play many Premiership games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Killers words..... Surman wanted to leave in the January window,he had 2 offers both well paid. He was pursuaded to stay until the end of the season to help us try and stay up on the promise that he would be allowed to leave at the end of the season. Believe what you wish,I choose to believe a former assistant manager and not some looney on a forum.I can only tell you what his family have said and it is not in accord with what you were told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsmike25 Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 I hope he makes a name for himself, good player and a nice guy too who wanted to ideally stay at Southampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Surman isn't playing because he isn't premier league standard player and judging by his performances last season, he didn't look like much of a championship player either. Seems like a nice lad n all but as has already been stated on this thread, hugely overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marino Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Surman isn't playing because he isn't premier league standard player and judging by his performances last season, he didn't look like much of a championship player either. Seems like a nice lad n all but as has already been stated on this thread, hugely overrated. Do try and keep up. As mentioned a number of times here, Surman's injured. Neither McCarthy who signed him nor Kevin Blackwell who tried to believe he is overrated - I tend to go along with their opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 http://www.expressandstar.com/2009/10/09/surman-ready-for-everton-return/ Back soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Killers words..... Surman wanted to leave in the January window,he had 2 offers both well paid. He was pursuaded to stay until the end of the season to help us try and stay up on the promise that he would be allowed to leave at the end of the season. Believe what you wish,I choose to believe a former assistant manager and not some looney on a forum. I wouldn't call Weston a looney who has now posted what he knows and how he knows it and not a quote in your case that no doubt is subject to a large dose of chinese whispers or selective listening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 I wouldn't call Weston a looney who has now posted what he knows and how he knows it and not a quote in your case that no doubt is subject to a large dose of chinese whispers or selective listening.To be honest I was quite insulted by the remark from him but felt it best not to respond other than state what his family have said to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 To be honest I was quite insulted by the remark from him but felt it best not to respond other than state what his family have said to me. Would be surprised if Lordswood was referring to you WestonSaint. I know who I thought it referred to when I read his reply, since he was quoting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 To be honest I was quite insulted by the remark from him but felt it best not to respond other than state what his family have said to me. Pretty sure there is only one loon on this forum, and it's not you. It's the mentally ill troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Would be surprised if Lordswood was referring to you WestonSaint. I know who I thought it referred to when I read his reply, since he was quoting. In that case Vectis this 'looney' was proved right and that there were more authorative sources on this forum than Lordswood's alleged quote from Killer. Sometimes as a wise head said on here recently - react to the post not the poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie@home Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Just hope Drew gets some first team football. Watching Bridgey the other week, he didn't look as good as when he left us - too many years bench-warming. Bale definitely left too soon and I wouldn't be suprised if he ends up out on loan - it will do him good. There's no substitute for playing and you never get those years back. Let's face it, even playing for Saints you can set yourself up financially for life if you look after your money wisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 9 October, 2009 Share Posted 9 October, 2009 Pretty sure there is only one loon on this forum, and it's not you. It's the mentally ill troll. If you had any intention of helping the fight against global warming I would expect you to stop talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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