saint peach Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 I've just got home from covering Middlesbrough's thrashing at the hands of Blackpool at the Riverside. And I must say the game was one of the worst performances I've seen by a Championship side, especially one of the supposedly promotion challengers. What made it more shocking was that, for a Strachan team, the squad was totally bereft of work-rate, dedication and passion. Now I know it took a while for him to find his feet at St Mary's but I can't help but feel he has an uphill battle at Boro. And I think he realises it, too. After the match he looked extremely downbeat. He even apologised to the journalists for repeating the same old claptrap about inconsistency, etc. And I couldn't help but get the feeling he wasn't particularly enjoying it there. He didn't have the same passion he seemed to have at Saints. Or even Celtic, for that matter. I hope I'm wrong and I hope he manages to turn it around but I can't help but feel our beloved WGS may be on to a wrong 'un up there unless he gets some filthy January lucre. ps. Ian Holloway is barking mad. Managed to get Ronseal and Bjorn Borg into the same post-match interview. That is some talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 People, times and places change. Lest us not also forget that WGS was not wholly honest with his departure from Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 I've just got home from covering Middlesbrough's thrashing at the hands of Blackpool at the Riverside. And I must say the game was one of the worst performances I've seen by a Championship side, especially one of the supposedly promotion challengers. What made it more shocking was that, for a Strachan team, the squad was totally bereft of work-rate, dedication and passion. Now I know it took a while for him to find his feet at St Mary's but I can't help but feel he has an uphill battle at Boro. And I think he realises it, too. After the match he looked extremely downbeat. He even apologised to the journalists for repeating the same old claptrap about inconsistency, etc. And I couldn't help but get the feeling he wasn't particularly enjoying it there. He didn't have the same passion he seemed to have at Saints. Or even Celtic, for that matter. I hope I'm wrong and I hope he manages to turn it around but I can't help but feel our beloved WGS may be on to a wrong 'un up there unless he gets some filthy January lucre. ps. Ian Holloway is barking mad. Managed to get Ronseal and Bjorn Borg into the same post-match interview. That is some talent. Not sure why this would come as a surprise to anybody. Strachan wasn't in danger of believing his own hype and increasingly bizarre and flippant media interviews he revelled in it. Strachan IMO believes he can be as 'off the cuff' and every inch the 'big man' as much as Clough or Ferguson but unlike those greats he seems to have forgotten the basics i.e. football. The number of married players in a side should be an irrelevance IMO as one of his more recent and infamous observations went. To think that as an ex-Saints manager he would have been very much on Pinnacle's short list of potential managers. I am so pleased with our situation and looking at recent results I know with the current set up we can end our endless fascination of assessing the performance and conduct of ex-employees. They are irrelevant and in some cases not worthy of our attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadia Sllim Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Strachan was good for us - we were good for him. Pardew is the man now and hopefully will become our most successful manager in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponto1963 Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Strachan was good for us - we were good for him. Pardew is the man now and hopefully will become our most successful manager in years. Yes, let's look forward now not back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Not sure why this would come as a surprise to anybody. Strachan wasn't in danger of believing his own hype and increasingly bizarre and flippant media interviews he revelled in it. Strachan IMO believes he can be as 'off the cuff' and every inch the 'big man' as much as Clough or Ferguson but unlike those greats he seems to have forgotten the basics i.e. football. The number of married players in a side should be an irrelevance IMO as one of his more recent and infamous observations went. To think that as an ex-Saints manager he would have been very much on Pinnacle's short list of potential managers. I am so pleased with our situation and looking at recent results I know with the current set up we can end our endless fascination of assessing the performance and conduct of ex-employees. They are irrelevant and in some cases not worthy of our attention. unlike you to dislike / moan about / slag off an ex manager / player who is held in high regard here WGS knows he needs to strengthen there, i think he will do well once he can change personnel in January. Oh and by the way, didnt they win well at the weekend, didnt see people commenting then, too easy to whinge when things arent going well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 I've just got home from covering Middlesbrough's thrashing at the hands of Blackpool at the Riverside. And I must say the game was one of the worst performances I've seen by a Championship side, especially one of the supposedly promotion challengers. What made it more shocking was that, for a Strachan team, the squad was totally bereft of work-rate, dedication and passion. Now I know it took a while for him to find his feet at St Mary's but I can't help but feel he has an uphill battle at Boro. And I think he realises it, too. After the match he looked extremely downbeat. He even apologised to the journalists for repeating the same old claptrap about inconsistency, etc. And I couldn't help but get the feeling he wasn't particularly enjoying it there. He didn't have the same passion he seemed to have at Saints. Or even Celtic, for that matter. I hope I'm wrong and I hope he manages to turn it around but I can't help but feel our beloved WGS may be on to a wrong 'un up there unless he gets some filthy January lucre. ps. Ian Holloway is barking mad. Managed to get Ronseal and Bjorn Borg into the same post-match interview. That is some talent. To be fair, WGS lost almost all of his first 10 or so games at Saints! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 So pardew gets 10 games to throw away and WGS gets none? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 To be fair, WGS lost almost all of his first 10 or so games at Saints! For comparison, our first 10 games under Strachen: Ipswich (h).....D 3-3 Fulham (a)......L 1-2 Blackburn (h)...L 1-2 Derby (a)........L 0-1 Charlton (h)....W 1-0 Everton (a).....L 0-2 Leicester (a)...W 4-0 Sunderland (h).W 2-0 Man Utd (a).....L 1-6 Spurs (h)........W 1-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 I've just got home from covering Middlesbrough's thrashing at the hands of Blackpool at the Riverside. And I must say the game was one of the worst performances I've seen by a Championship side, especially one of the supposedly promotion challengers. What made it more shocking was that, for a Strachan team, the squad was totally bereft of work-rate, dedication and passion. Now I know it took a while for him to find his feet at St Mary's but I can't help but feel he has an uphill battle at Boro. And I think he realises it, too. After the match he looked extremely downbeat. He even apologised to the journalists for repeating the same old claptrap about inconsistency, etc. And I couldn't help but get the feeling he wasn't particularly enjoying it there. He didn't have the same passion he seemed to have at Saints. Or even Celtic, for that matter. I hope I'm wrong and I hope he manages to turn it around but I can't help but feel our beloved WGS may be on to a wrong 'un up there unless he gets some filthy January lucre. ps. Ian Holloway is barking mad. Managed to get Ronseal and Bjorn Borg into the same post-match interview. That is some talent. To be fair they won 5-1 away on the weekend didn't they ? I looked at their team last night and that lot should be in the top 2 at worst. Might be that Strachan hasn't had the chance to run them knackered yet, or if he has they're too tired to play ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 To be fair they won 5-1 away on the weekend didn't they ? I looked at their team last night and that lot should be in the top 2 at worst. Might be that Strachan hasn't had the chance to run them knackered yet, or if he has they're too tired to play ! It'll take time but if there was one manager to get a team working hard it will be Strach. The impression of Middlesborough is a typical relegated, big time charlie club. Full of players that don't want to be there, all pulling in different directions. Give Strach a transfer window to get some of his own type of players in and then see what happens. Good to see Saints aren't the only club that give managers ten games to save the world.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4737_carlin Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 I am sure when he gets some players of his own in then things will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Wonder if Beattie will find his way there come Jan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Genuinely believe he will never repeat previous successes, with us in terms of league position, FA cup final and those at Celtic, in that I mean more progression in the champions league oppose to title wins, afterall The scottish prem is our league 1, right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Give the man time. I for one dont want to see him fall flat on his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Wonder if Beattie will find his way there come Jan? I doubt it, not convinced Beattie has had the work ethic Strachan wants since he went to Everton (and arguably for at least 6 months befoer that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 To be fair they won 5-1 away on the weekend didn't they ? I looked at their team last night and that lot should be in the top 2 at worst. Might be that Strachan hasn't had the chance to run them knackered yet, or if he has they're too tired to play ! To be fair that 5-1 victory may have had as much to do with QPR's dip in form than some of Strachan's footballing stardust. I hope he falls flat on his face simply because Gibson made a major mistake in supporting Southgate through relegation and then with Boro 1 point off the automatics and after a good win they sack him. Doesn't stack up. Look at Strachan, he was manager of a club that should have been an annual shoe in for the Premiership title with Rangers long and now well known money worries. All he had to deliver was a little bit of European success even a semi final in the UEFA would have shown some managerial expertise but nothing and he hardly stormed the Scottish Premiership. IMO Strachan will be more remembered for his quips than his managerial prowess and as one poster has already mentioned I firmly believe Pardew will become the greatest Saint's manager because he talks about the game. the players, the development and plans for the club in a dedicated, eloquent and well measured way and avoid the smart ar5e comments and 'witty' asides that would get him on SSN a bit more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 unlike you to dislike / moan about / slag off an ex manager / player who is held in high regard here WGS knows he needs to strengthen there, i think he will do well once he can change personnel in January. Oh and by the way, didnt they win well at the weekend, didnt see people commenting then, too easy to whinge when things arent going well Mike, the ironic thing is that this thread is not Saints related and should be in the lounge and if it were I would be unable to make a comment. After a couple of lucky results at QPR and Reading I see the Boot Boy's hair dryer had a good effect at Bristol City last night after their thumping at Forest on Saturday. Took me back to that infamous Hull game. Pearson comes across as a good talker and motivator but that gets lost eventually if the message doesn't change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Mike, the ironic thing is that this thread is not Saints related and should be in the lounge and if it were I would be unable to make a comment. Well you're lucky then, as it was my intention to move it to the Lounge, or General Sports, but I was distracted by work, of all things. Get your comments over and done with NC, because it is heading into the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint peach Posted 9 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Well you're lucky then, as it was my intention to move it to the Lounge, or General Sports, but I was distracted by work, of all things. Get your comments over and done with NC, because it is heading into the room. I don't totally agree with that. The reason I started the thread is because it is about a Saints legend. Yes, he may have gone and the post is about Boro but it centres on Strachan. There are plenty of posts on this section which are about former players and staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 I don't totally agree with that. The reason I started the thread is because it is about a Saints legend. Yes, he may have gone and the post is about Boro but it centres on Strachan. There are plenty of posts on this section which are about former players and staff. Strachan is not a Saints legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint peach Posted 9 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Strachan is not a Saints legend. Each to their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Well you're lucky then, as it was my intention to move it to the Lounge, or General Sports, but I was distracted by work, of all things. Get your comments over and done with NC, because it is heading into the room. Work must be busy today SL or have you had a change of heart? I'm surprised you can find the time to work and moderate at the same time. Personally, in my experience I would have thought the two would be incompatible at the same time. Assume you must have your own business or very flexible employers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Each to their own. Quite, but that is the most over used word in Football if not the English Language and actually leaves you short of superlatives to describe genuine legends that Strachan cannot hold a candle to IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint peach Posted 9 December, 2009 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Quite, but that is the most over used word in Football if not the English Language and actually leaves you short of superlatives to describe genuine legends that Strachan cannot hold a candle to IMO. Maybe true but then again in my lifetime he is a Saints legend. No manager can hold a candle to him since I began following the club 14 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Not sure why this would come as a surprise to anybody. Strachan wasn't in danger of believing his own hype and increasingly bizarre and flippant media interviews he revelled in it. Strachan IMO believes he can be as 'off the cuff' and every inch the 'big man' as much as Clough or Ferguson but unlike those greats he seems to have forgotten the basics i.e. football. The number of married players in a side should be an irrelevance IMO as one of his more recent and infamous observations went. To think that as an ex-Saints manager he would have been very much on Pinnacle's short list of potential managers. I am so pleased with our situation and looking at recent results I know with the current set up we can end our endless fascination of assessing the performance and conduct of ex-employees. They are irrelevant and in some cases not worthy of our attention. One ^ Two: To be fair that 5-1 victory may have had as much to do with QPR's dip in form than some of Strachan's footballing stardust. I hope he falls flat on his face simply because Gibson made a major mistake in supporting Southgate through relegation and then with Boro 1 point off the automatics and after a good win they sack him. Doesn't stack up. Look at Strachan, he was manager of a club that should have been an annual shoe in for the Premiership title with Rangers long and now well known money worries. All he had to deliver was a little bit of European success even a semi final in the UEFA would have shown some managerial expertise but nothing and he hardly stormed the Scottish Premiership. IMO Strachan will be more remembered for his quips than his managerial prowess and as one poster has already mentioned I firmly believe Pardew will become the greatest Saint's manager because he talks about the game. the players, the development and plans for the club in a dedicated, eloquent and well measured way and avoid the smart ar5e comments and 'witty' asides that would get him on SSN a bit more often. Three: Mike, the ironic thing is that this thread is not Saints related and should be in the lounge and if it were I would be unable to make a comment. After a couple of lucky results at QPR and Reading I see the Boot Boy's hair dryer had a good effect at Bristol City last night after their thumping at Forest on Saturday. Took me back to that infamous Hull game. Pearson comes across as a good talker and motivator but that gets lost eventually if the message doesn't change. Four: Strachan is not a Saints legend. Five: Work must be busy today SL or have you had a change of heart? I'm surprised you can find the time to work and moderate at the same time. Personally, in my experience I would have thought the two would be incompatible at the same time. Assume you must have your own business or very flexible employers. Six: Quite, but that is the most over used word in Football if not the English Language and actually leaves you short of superlatives to describe genuine legends that Strachan cannot hold a candle to IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 One ^ Two: Three: Four: Five: Six: I know Benji, I talk some sense sometimes and I could do with listening to it! Benji 1 NC 0 and I'll leave it at that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Strachan is overated in today's game. He's a Timex watch in a digital age. He did a decent job for us but could have done much better with the European outing. He had good players, he also signed some extremely bad ones.He didn't get the best of of some players (like Delgado who he had no time for whatsoever-just out of principal I expect) Kevin Davies was allowed to just waste away under Strachan and he's since proved he had a few good games left in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 I actually cannot believe some of the comments on here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 I actually cannot believe some of the comments on here... Why not ? Look where most of them come from...same old poster just a different ex player/manager/director to have a go at. At least he is broadening his range and moving away from the usual 3 he has it in for. I do wonder if he knows that the "infamous" game at Hull to which he refers was "one of those days" that happen in football, where nothing goes right, including having to play the third choice keeper who has spent most of his time since at non-league then League 2 Torquay !! But I guess he wasn't there and its another stick to beat another ex-manager around the head with. Boring isn't he ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4737_carlin Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Those clued up about Strachan will also know that he did well at coventry as well. It only started to go downhill when players where sold and he was given shrapnel to work with. History repeated itself which is why he left Saints before another crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 WGS is a very good manager and I would be astonished if boro have not been promoted by the end of next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannysfc Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Strachan is still a very good manager and that he should do really well with a team in boro and that they should still make the play offs even if they have slightly dipped in form as I still think that they will bounce back aswell! Also I would also have liked him to stay on as manager at Saints but it is not to be but I still have faith in Pardew and that we can still make the play offs with results going our way but there's still along way to go and anything can happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Strachan is a notoriusly slow started at the clubs he manages. He was for Coventry, he was for us, his first match at Celtic was a spanking to a club no-one had heard of. A manager takes time to stamp his authority on a club - something trigger happy chairmen do not always give time for. Pardew is a good case in point here - our early season form was poor and some people wanted Pardew replaced before he had even had time to tinkle at St Mary's. Good managers need time to change things, it take a miracle worker to instantly change things (unless they get lucky in the transfer windows a la Redknapp.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 (edited) Gordon will always be a little legend to me....No matter what some of the nasty spiteful peeps say. COYRs. PS Sir Lawrie is a big Legend. Edited 9 December, 2009 by ottery st mary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redondo Saint Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 NC at it again I see!! Incredible how it appears appropriate for some people to want WGS to fail becuase Gibson fired Southgate. I wish WGS all the best. This game needs characters not just technicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Hope it works out for the man, he deserves to do well. His time at the club was definitely my favourite time to be a Saints fan. However i do think the journey we are now on will end up being better. The way i see it over the last decade there has been a few good bits and a lot of bad bits, he was in charge of the better bits. At least at Boro he will have a decent chairman who will back him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Strachan is not a Saints legend. And you're not a Saints fan... what's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 And you're not a Saints fan... what's your point? I think Strachan is an average manager like others he has some good periods and bad periods. Pardew maybe the same but at the moment he seems better talks more sense and has good contacts within the game. I know it is different in League 1 than the Premiership but AP seems to be developing a team and getting the best out of the younger players as well as bringing in young players who may develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 I know Benji, I talk some sense sometimes and I could do with listening to it! Benji 1 NC 0 and I'll leave it at that! Good sport! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 I also think it is silly to say Strachan is a "legend". He's no more a legend than Chris Nichol but you don't hear that very often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 I also think it is silly to say Strachan is a "legend". He's no more a legend than Chris Nichol but you don't hear that very often. well..he is more IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineteen Canteen Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 And you're not a Saints fan... what's your point? You're a true legend Daren. None of us our worthy in comparison to the mark you set . Mind you few of us are as blind and as easily led. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daren W Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 You're a true legend Daren. None of us our worthy in comparison to the mark you set . Mind you few of us are as blind and as easily led. I set no mark, you are a no mark... I'm not blind or blinkered. Nor am I prejudiced. I have no agenda other than watching the club I love. No wonder you and I are like chalk and cheese. I support Southampton, you support your desperate need for attention. Still, it interesting to see another target for your "rapier" like "wit" other than Lawrie Mac / Leon Crouch / Matt LeTissier... Perhaps you'd care to offer evidence to back your claims up? Strachan isn't a good manager.... please elaborate or shut up.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Strachan's problem is that he came in when the team were doing well (which makes you wonder why Southgate was sacked). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Strachan's problem is that he came in when the team were doing well (which makes you wonder why Southgate was sacked). Doing well..? relegated after spending a fortune really.....poor, poor signins etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 To those who don't see WGS as a Saints legend, you are more than entitled to your opinion, but like him or not, he did lead us to an FA Cup final and our highest place in the Prem in a long time. I didn't have the luck to be alive in our best years in the 80s, but I was lucky enough to experience arguably one of Saints' best seasons in the last 20 years or so while WGS was at the club, and I think he more than earned his status as a legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 But I guess he wasn't there and its another stick to beat another ex-manager around the head with. Boring isn't he ? Very much so. Celtic were in the Champions League every year with Strachan and qualifying for the last 16, so it would be impossible to get to the UEFA semi final. But then again 19 C unt has s#it for brains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 Doing well..? relegated after spending a fortune really.....poor, poor signins etc They were 4th, 1 point off automatic when Southgate was sacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 9 December, 2009 Share Posted 9 December, 2009 They were 4th, 1 point off automatic when Southgate was sacked. they were also in the premiership the year before.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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