Fergie Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Signing a lot of defenders and no attacking options yet do you feel this is gonna happen maybe... --------------------------Davis/Bart---------------------------- -----------Jaidi-------------Fonte------------Seabourne--------- -James/otsemabor------------------------------------Harding----- ----------Hammond----James/new signing-------Schneiderin------- -------------------Lambert--------Connolly/Lallana--------------- No reason why it wouldn't work, 3 good wing backs in the squad now, 3 solid midfielders with maybe another on the way, 3 solid centree-backs with thomas and perry to add to that list, lallana playing off rickie of connolly pushed up when fit...would pack the midfiels, defense would be solid and would be attacking all at the same time. What you think?? I reckon we'd be a force for anyone playing this formation, some may argue its too defensive but i dont think it would be at all. one box to box midfielder working hard, one defensive misfielder spreading the play, acting calm, and one slightly further attacking midfielder. Worth a try, although i do feel against most in this division we wouldn't need to be that defensive at the back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardc Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 i really dont see enough goals in that formation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 2 keepers, 15 players on the pitch .... we'll be unbeatable, but think somebody might spot the ruse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 i really dont see enough goals in that formation 3-5-2 in League 1 would be fairly innovative. You need defenders of an exceptional calibre who are used to the system. You have to have one of the back 3 who can sweep and relance,it's not in the possibilities of all players. Perhaps Fonté, but I see him being used in front of a classic back 4 with Jaidi and Seaborne in the 2 CD roles. One thing's for sure in a 3-5-2 system you don't hoof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkiptanui Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Signing a lot of defenders and no attacking options yet do you feel this is gonna happen maybe... --------------------------Davis/Bart---------------------------- -----------Jaidi-------------Fonte------------Seabourne--------- -James/otsemabor------------------------------------Harding----- ----------Hammond----James/new signing-------Schneiderin------- -------------------Lambert--------Connolly/Lallana--------------- No reason why it wouldn't work, 3 good wing backs in the squad now, 3 solid midfielders with maybe another on the way, 3 solid centree-backs with thomas and perry to add to that list, lallana playing off rickie of connolly pushed up when fit...would pack the midfiels, defense would be solid and would be attacking all at the same time. What you think?? I reckon we'd be a force for anyone playing this formation, some may argue its too defensive but i dont think it would be at all. one box to box midfielder working hard, one defensive misfielder spreading the play, acting calm, and one slightly further attacking midfielder. Worth a try, although i do feel against most in this division we wouldn't need to be that defensive at the back...Instead of james stick Lallana in as attacking midfielder/free role and papa or connolly to partner Rickie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintsforlife7 Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Tbf I think it would work, if one of the three cb's can sweep. I think if you place Stock in that middle of the midfield three with a licence to get forward as much as possible that begins to look very worthy of a try! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 he will not do this...he never starts with this....why would he do this now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Tbf I think it would work, if one of the three cb's can sweep. I think if you place Stock in that middle of the midfield three with a licence to get forward as much as possible that begins to look very worthy of a try! Think Fonte could sweep for us - is certainly good enough on the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 had to laugh at myself, thought otsemabor was some sort of short hand (like hcdcajfu), completely missed that is was the name of a new signing Looks like spelling is Otemobor though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Tbf I think it would work, if one of the three cb's can sweep. I think if you place Stock in that middle of the midfield three with a licence to get forward as much as possible that begins to look very worthy of a try! but we're not signing Stock, it's just another rumour. You have to base what we can do on what we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oggiee Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 I see these defensive signings as Pards saying that we have to stop the goals we are conceding, but doesn't want to change the system of the team as that may disrupt the flow of goals, so hes just signing better defensive options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mikey Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 No. 3-5-2 is a pretty much defunct formation in footy these days. 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 and swapping between the two is the preferred method, with the good ol' 4-4-2 of course. Even 4-2-3-1, come to think of it... When was the last time you can remember a team playing 3-5-2? Don't say Utd v Fulham either, as they had no defenders... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 I was thinking along the same lines when we signed Otsemabor. His main attribute seems to be blistering pace, but he appears to lack the requisite defensive qualities for a really great RB. But then we have added Fonte as a CB and he is not only a solid defender, but has skill of playing a ball out of defence. For me, Jaidi and Fonte would leave me confident they could make it work, but Seabourne is the unknown quantity, although I am happy that Harding could provide good cover for him. Otherwise, 5 in midfield and two up front would make us a real handfull for most teams, especially if we had that devastating pace down the right wing, with perhaps Papa ahead of Otsemabor. The midfield five ought to be able to gain the majority of the possession over most teams in this division and provided that when necessary, the midfield 5 switched into a back row 5 when we lost possession, it could be very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Looks too narrow IMO and quite easy to defend against. Otsemobor is apparently not great at delivering and James just doesn't have the pace get forward with any penetration. Harding is a good LB, but I don't think he'd have all that much luck on his own. Stick with 4-4-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 No. 3-5-2 is a pretty much defunct formation in footy these days. 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 and swapping between the two is the preferred method, with the good ol' 4-4-2 of course. Even 4-2-3-1, come to think of it... When was the last time you can remember a team playing 3-5-2? Don't say Utd v Fulham either, as they had no defenders... Of course, there was that good old formation 2-3-5 ...that produced 100 goals one season ..Ah, those were the days ...my friends.... (never to be seen again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
instinct Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 no. he'll play 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 as ususal, he's not playing football manager. Don't see any teams playing 3-5-2 nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grammy Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Signing a lot of defenders and no attacking options yet do you feel this is gonna happen maybe... --------------------------Davis/Bart---------------------------- -----------Jaidi-------------Fonte------------Seabourne--------- -James/otsemabor------------------------------------Harding----- ----------Hammond----James/new signing-------Schneiderin------- -------------------Lambert--------Connolly/Lallana--------------- No reason why it wouldn't work, 3 good wing backs in the squad now, 3 solid midfielders with maybe another on the way, 3 solid centree-backs with thomas and perry to add to that list, lallana playing off rickie of connolly pushed up when fit...would pack the midfiels, defense would be solid and would be attacking all at the same time. What you think?? I reckon we'd be a force for anyone playing this formation, some may argue its too defensive but i dont think it would be at all. one box to box midfielder working hard, one defensive misfielder spreading the play, acting calm, and one slightly further attacking midfielder. Worth a try, although i do feel against most in this division we wouldn't need to be that defensive at the back... " a lot of defenders" ? We have signed 2 and lost Trotman. Hardly excessive as we may send others out on loan. What it does give us is options to play different formations if needed. Sensible management me thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Looks too narrow IMO and quite easy to defend against. Otsemobor is apparently not great at delivering and James just doesn't have the pace get forward with any penetration. Harding is a good LB, but I don't think he'd have all that much luck on his own. Stick with 4-4-2 Surely playing wing backs adds width, not makes us narrow? How can we be narrow with 5 across the midfield or the back? And if the wing backs have pace, surely that is harder to defend. What has annoyed me almost more than anything this season, is looking at the goalkeeper clearances to see that all of the players are contained into one half of the pitch front to back. A 3-5-2 would mean that the players spread themselves more across the pitch and the opposition would have to respond, allowing the team with pace and quality of passing to prevail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Signing a lot of defenders and no attacking options yet do you feel this is gonna happen maybe... Worth a try, although i do feel against most in this division we wouldn't need to be that defensive at the back... you can plan all you like, but AP is picking the team. My bet he'll change the squad around all the time, allowing for injuries and suspensions, try different formations and when we win the play-offs ..we'll all say we knew he could do it all the time :smt023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsaint Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Cant see pardew changing the formation in the middle of the season, takes time for players to adapt. Combine this with the new signings that need time to gel and it could be a recipe for disaster. Stick with whats worked relatively well thus far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 not sure thats even on pardews radar. Could be an option away. But its only ever 4-5-1 or 4-4-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 not sure thats even on pardews radar. Could be an option away. But its only ever 4-5-1 or 4-4-2. He said after the MK Dons game that 'we've only ever used two options throughout our management career and we don't plan to change now'... He was referring to his version of 4-5-1 and 4-4-2. I would be amazed if, having achieved a win ratio better than his time at West Ham and only just behind his ratio at Reading (and with no pre-season) he was about to start 'experimenting'. And bloody good I say!!! If it works, don't feck it up trying something new or fashionable.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alki_in_korea Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Southampton will play 4 4 ****in 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 Surely playing wing backs adds width, not makes us narrow? How can we be narrow with 5 across the midfield or the back? And if the wing backs have pace, surely that is harder to defend. What has annoyed me almost more than anything this season, is looking at the goalkeeper clearances to see that all of the players are contained into one half of the pitch front to back. A 3-5-2 would mean that the players spread themselves more across the pitch and the opposition would have to respond, allowing the team with pace and quality of passing to prevail. I would say we would be narrow because we only have 2 wide players instead of four. There is less support down the flanks, even if there are more options to pass inside to. I'm no football manager, but if I had to defend against that I'd have both my wide men marking their wing-backs out the game, when defending, and one CM marking Saints nearest CM. That would leave a hopeful crossfield pass as the only real option. My interpretation anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergie Posted 14 January, 2010 Author Share Posted 14 January, 2010 With this formation you basically defend as a 8 (midfield and defence) and then attack as a unit of 7. yes the wing backs would need to be extremly fit but i reckon this would work...yes i am TOTALLY in agreement with 'if it isn't broken dont fix it' but i still think this would be good when playing better teams away from home now that we have a calibre to use this and the squad depth to try it out. I personally dont think pards will do it but be sure that i'll be first to say 'sign me up pards' if he does do it. There is no reason why this would not be a very wide formation with CM supporting the wing-backs...my only hesitation other than the fact he's never tried it would be Papa and Antonio...Antonio for sure wouldn't work in this, Papa up top maybe but we'll see. Was just a suggestion really. Not sure why we've only been signing ndefenders although i am very pleased with the signings. My friend whose a palace fan said losing Fonte means others will leave and even if they dont palace will leak goals even more now, and my family friend who is an Exeter fan said that Seabourne is highly rated at Exeter amongst the fans, the odd fan doesnt rate him but every club has fans like that. He was very said to see Seabourne leave and is worried about Exeter this season now, said he'll leave a big hole at the back!! In pards we trust...Up the saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 I would say we would be narrow because we only have 2 wide players instead of four. There is less support down the flanks, even if there are more options to pass inside to. I'm no football manager, but if I had to defend against that I'd have both my wide men marking their wing-backs out the game, when defending, and one CM marking Saints nearest CM. That would leave a hopeful crossfield pass as the only real option. My interpretation anyway. Against the two wide men that we would have against the opposition four, on that basis excluding what you call the wide men, we would outnumber their midfield 3 to 2, therefore expecting to get considerably more possession and ability to boss the game. But four across the pitch doesn't make two of them wide men in my opinion, whereas five across does. I agree with Fergie's analogy, that you defend as 8 and attack as 7. When you say that you'd have your wide men marking the wing backs out of the game, you are tying up two of your midfield, leaving us with the midfield three, so we play through the middle when the opposition are weaker there and then when they have to defend the centre, we play out wide. When all's said and done, it is another option that could be considered depending on the relative strengths of the players that we have at our disposal at any given match and also dependent on the weaknesses that Pardew discerns in the opposition team. Some managers probably identified James as our weakness at RB and Lallana as the weakness when he didn't track back to cover Harding. It remains to be seen whether the additional players we have brought in have addressed those problems and strengthened our defence or not, but it's a radical plan, not to be dismissed because other teams don't play it much anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 I doubt very much that this is the plan. Seaborne was probably signed as competition for places this season with a view to stepping in to Perry or Jaidi's shoes next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 14 January, 2010 Share Posted 14 January, 2010 No. 3-5-2 is a pretty much defunct formation in footy these days. 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 and swapping between the two is the preferred method, with the good ol' 4-4-2 of course. Even 4-2-3-1, come to think of it... When was the last time you can remember a team playing 3-5-2? Don't say Utd v Fulham either, as they had no defenders... Southampton, last 15 minutes of JPT game against Norwich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the saint in winchester Posted 15 January, 2010 Share Posted 15 January, 2010 Of course, there was that good old formation 2-3-5 ...that produced 100 goals one season ..Ah, those were the days ...my friends.... (never to be seen again) .... unless Keegan come back, :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergie Posted 15 January, 2010 Author Share Posted 15 January, 2010 Southampton, last 15 minutes of JPT game against Norwich. good point, and look what happened there!! So now no-one can say Pardew hasn't played with this formation. I believe he did it against Brighton too, although lloydie was playing RCB and wasn't his position at all and we got punished for it, although that game was a write off, not really sure what was going on with us that day. thanks for the support krissyboy!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 January, 2010 Share Posted 15 January, 2010 Fergie it won't happen. It is a terrible system. One of the centre backs(possibly two) would have very little to do, especially as alot of teams play defensively against Saints. The wing backs also leave the wide areas vulnerable with a ball over the top into the channels. Very few, if any football team plays 532/352 in the modern game. Pardew has two systems that have served him well and he'll continue with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fergie Posted 15 January, 2010 Author Share Posted 15 January, 2010 i'm not saying every game though, just more away against tougher teams. But we'll see, pards is unpredictable and i like that about him. But i trust everything he does. everyone goes on about ward signing and Seabourne signs...next thing i see jon otsemahoweveryouspellit signs. he likes to keep us on our toes eh!! So we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 15 January, 2010 Share Posted 15 January, 2010 It is more likely Jaidi and Fonte will be the first choice pairing. With Seaborne being groomed to takeover for next season and playing the occasional game to save Jaidi's legs. Pardew will just play 451 and 442. It has been working and the players know how to make it work. It complicates things if you introduce a 3rd system to the players. I outlined the problems with 352/532. It just doesn't work, hence why no-one uses it anymore. The original question was "anyone feel Pardew is about to do this?" - To which the answer is no, as nothing in his past would suggest he would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 15 January, 2010 Share Posted 15 January, 2010 Surely first choice is going to be.... 4-5-1 -----------------------Davis--------------------------- Ots ----------Jaidi--------------- Fonte -------- Harding -----------------------James--------------------------- ---------Schneiderlin ------------Hammond-------------- Waigo-------------------------------------------Lallana ----------------------Lambert------------------------- ORRRRRRR 4-4-2 -----------------------Davis--------------------------- Ots----------Jaidi----------------Fonte---------Harding Waigo-------Hammond--------Schneiderlin-------Lallana -------------Lambert--------Connolly------------------- Assuming no more signings that is. I have a feeling we might start playing 4-5-1 option though seeing as though Pards obviously likes James and likes the fact he's the only one that can take a corner or a free kick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 January, 2010 Share Posted 15 January, 2010 That first one is pretty tasty Garrett. James in CM where he is at his best, and if we need to chase a goal take him off for Connolly. Love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OfnPanad Posted 15 January, 2010 Share Posted 15 January, 2010 Pards obviously likes James and likes the fact he's the only one that can take a corner or a free kick! I quite like it when they let Lambert have a go at the free kicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 15 January, 2010 Share Posted 15 January, 2010 Great fun, but there is nothing in anything Pardew has said to suggest this is about changing the systems which are 4-5-1 and 4-4-2. It is about having better players in the defensive slots, which means we should expect all three to be first choice selections. Ostemobor for James, Fonte for Perry/Thomas, Seaborne for Jaid, with James in midfield (unless another signing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 15 January, 2010 Share Posted 15 January, 2010 Surely first choice is going to be.... 4-5-1 -----------------------Davis--------------------------- Ots ----------Jaidi--------------- Fonte -------- Harding -----------------------James--------------------------- ---------Schneiderlin ------------Hammond-------------- Waigo-------------------------------------------Lallana ----------------------Lambert------------------------- ORRRRRRR 4-4-2 -----------------------Davis--------------------------- Ots----------Jaidi----------------Fonte---------Harding Waigo-------Hammond--------Schneiderlin-------Lallana -------------Lambert--------Connolly------------------- Assuming no more signings that is. I have a feeling we might start playing 4-5-1 option though seeing as though Pards obviously likes James and likes the fact he's the only one that can take a corner or a free kick! Yes good shout but AP does like playing Antonio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 15 January, 2010 Share Posted 15 January, 2010 Surely first choice is going to be.... 4-5-1 -----------------------Davis--------------------------- Ots ----------Jaidi--------------- Fonte -------- Harding -----------------------James--------------------------- ---------Schneiderlin ------------Hammond-------------- Waigo-------------------------------------------Lallana ----------------------Lambert------------------------- ORRRRRRR 4-4-2 -----------------------Davis--------------------------- Ots----------Jaidi----------------Fonte---------Harding Waigo-------Hammond--------Schneiderlin-------Lallana -------------Lambert--------Connolly------------------- Assuming no more signings that is. I have a feeling we might start playing 4-5-1 option though seeing as though Pards obviously likes James and likes the fact he's the only one that can take a corner or a free kick! Definately, this is pretty much the 2 options we use at the moment, only thing is if fit I reckon Murts is a shoe in for the RB slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 15 January, 2010 Share Posted 15 January, 2010 If the new signings work, surely we need to keep Murty for the cup games? Some of the others are tied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 15 January, 2010 Share Posted 15 January, 2010 I just assuming Murts won't be fit for very long but IMO he's definitely first choice. Antonio...I just don' understand because I just think he's so bad, but you're right, Pards does like him. I'm glad to see all this football manager is paying off!! *winkysmileything* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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