CLOTH EARS Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 Our record is.......... Won 18 Drew 4 Lost 3 Whatever way you look at this it is pretty impressive! Yes, i've included the two games that we won on pens in the JPT but even if you want to count these as draws the record is still very impressive. The last 6 league games we have Won 2 Drawn 2 Lost 2, those two defeats at Leeds and Colchester are the reason that we haven't made progress in getting closer to the top 6, but our record suggests that we can expect that 13 point defecit to erode as the weeks go by. My prediction is that we will make the top 6 BUT it may be very late in the season, how quick we get there depends on how we do v Norwich ( 20th Feb ) v Huddesfield ( 2nd March ) v Leeds ( 13th March ) v Swindon ( 16th March ). Positive results in these key games will help massively. Ladies and gents WE CAN DO THIS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 Another (better way to look at it) League Played 27 Won 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 The season has been a little weird so far. Started terrible and had a great October and November, and then lost to Brighton and had a wobble, picked up and looked good for a short amount of time, and now even though having great home results not playing well. Not very good to watch at the moment, but seem to have a spell in all games of 15-20 minutes where we look really good. It seems in this period of play we can get 1,2 or even 3 but then it backs to wall for the reast of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 Also IF you take out the forst 10 gamess we ARE in Playoff, or even automatic promotion form. Next season lads, next season...... we will go up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLOTH EARS Posted 30 January, 2010 Author Share Posted 30 January, 2010 Another (better way to look at it) League Played 27 Won 11 I don't include the first 10 games as they were effectively our pre season as Pardew was trying to bring in his own players and bed them in. What has happened since the Gillingham game is the real indicator of where we are at. If our form continues at the rate it has over the last 25 games we can expect a points total of 77, that SHOULD be enough to get into the top 6 imo. We CAN make the play offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 Discount the minus ten and with no preseason at all we are 3 points off the play-offs. If we make them (and I think we will) it is really a hell of an achievement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 Sorry, but the top teams are going really well, 80 plus points will be needed this year to make the play offs and, with the two handicaps we have had this season with -10 to start and then ten warm up games, that is a very big ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Who? Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 I am very positive when it comes to Saints this season, and I am enjoying the games, but I think we will need to wait until next season for promotion, the gap is just a little to big, and our form is a little up and down. To close the gap we need to be winning home and away with a draw away sometimes. Next season though we have to hit the ground running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 We did have a pre season... Unless I imagined the game against hearts etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 We did have a pre season... Unless I imagined the game against hearts etc Most sane Saints fans understand that our season didn't really start until late September as that's when AP had the bulk of his players in and a pattern set. Of course some will try to be obtuse as is their right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 We did have a pre season... Unless I imagined the game against hearts etc With the wrong players and a manager who couldn't train runner ferking beans! Hardly the same is it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 Also IF you take out the forst 10 gamess we ARE in Playoff, or even automatic promotion form. Next season lads, next season...... we will go up! .and especially if they gave us our 10 points back. The only people punished by that penalty were...the new owner and the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLOTH EARS Posted 30 January, 2010 Author Share Posted 30 January, 2010 IF we just fall short the play offs i wouldn't be critical of AP in the slightest, as people point out a -10 penalty and AP having to use the 1st ten league games experimenting with the team was always going to make the play offs a big ask, I still think despite everything it really is achievable ( as i pointed out our form indicates that we can do it ) and what an achievement it would be!!! AP would have to get nominated as manager of the season IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 We did have a pre season... Unless I imagined the game against hearts etc Under the same rules, Norwich and Colchester didnt have 'real' pre-seasons either but look at them. They havent spent millions either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 Under the same rules, Norwich and Colchester didnt have 'real' pre-seasons either but look at them. They havent spent millions either. Both are playing with the same squads but yes they're doing well. So what? We're three points off the play-offs without the -10 and which of Colchester and Norwich are still in the FA Cup and JPT? Oh, neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLOTH EARS Posted 30 January, 2010 Author Share Posted 30 January, 2010 We did have a pre season... Unless I imagined the game against hearts etc How many of those players from pre season v Eastleigh, v Totton, v Cheltenham and v Hearts are what you would call 1st team regulars now? Not many! AP didn't even become manager untill the day of the Ajax game. So pre season as you call it was A WASTE OF TIME!!! If AP had been here from the Eastleigh game onwards we would have probably been ready quicker and have had more points than we do now. The new owners were not even in place untill July 8th. The Eastleigh and Totton games had already taken place by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 Both are playing with the same squads but yes they're doing well. So what? We're three points off the play-offs without the -10 and which of Colchester and Norwich are still in the FA Cup and JPT? Oh, neither. I'd swap there league positions for our JPT and FA Cup spots - wouldnt you? I remember when Lambert took over Norwich - they had lost 2 and drawn 1 and he said that he was effectively taking a side with a -8 handicap. Tale of two managers. They have exactly double our points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 I'd swap there league positions for our JPT and FA Cup spots - wouldnt you? I remember when Lambert took over Norwich - they had lost 2 and drawn 1 and he said that he was effectively taking a side with a -8 handicap. Tale of two managers. But they didn't have a minus 8 handicap did they? Very easy to say isn't it. There is no doubt Lambert is doing a great job. There is no evidence he would have done any better than Pardew here is there? You have no idea what scouting network, training set-up, coaches, fitness levels or whatever were available at Norwich or at Saints. We might have appointed Billy Davies, and after eight months at Forest he had achieved feck all. Now look at them. You would have had him gone after two months. We won today. We're doing ok. We'll end up in the playoffs. Can't see what your problem is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLOTH EARS Posted 30 January, 2010 Author Share Posted 30 January, 2010 I'd swap there league positions for our JPT and FA Cup spots - wouldnt you? I remember when Lambert took over Norwich - they had lost 2 and drawn 1 and he said that he was effectively taking a side with a -8 handicap. Tale of two managers. They have exactly double our points I'm sorry mate everybody knew that Norwich's squad was better than ours even allowing for that incredible 7-1 defeat to Colchester. Are you seriously critising Pardew? If you are then you are deluded mate! Our squad full of kids that got us relegated last season had to be replaced and Pardew needed those 10 games to sort things out, Norwich's squad needed NOWHERE NEAR as much surgery as ours did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 But they didn't have a minus 8 handicap did they? Very easy to say isn't it. There is no doubt Lambert is doing a great job. There is no evidence he would have done any better than Pardew here is there? You have no idea what scouting network, training set-up, coaches, fitness levels or whatever were available at Norwich or at Saints. We might have appointed Billy Davies, and after eight months at Forest he had achieved feck all. Now look at them. You would have had him gone after two months. We won today. We're doing ok. We'll end up in the playoffs. Can't see what your problem is. Just dont like the excuses used to justify a poor season so far. We started -10 so what! Norwich started -8 (under Lambert) and they are now top. We wouldnt even be in the playoffs if someone gave us the -10 back. We have also spent millions while Norwich have spent little. Its a fair comparison and for me shows how disapointing our season has been so far. 11 wins in 27 means we will not get to the PO this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 I'm sorry mate everybody knew that Norwich's squad was better than ours even allowing for that incredible 7-1 defeat to Colchester. Are you seriously critising Pardew? If you are then you are deluded mate! Our squad full of kids that got us relegated last season had to be replaced and Pardew needed those 10 games to sort things out, Norwich's squad needed NOWHERE NEAR as much surgery as ours did. Didnt we finish level with Norwich last season? Yet this season they are twice as good as us!? We had problems, they had problems - we are the only ones obsessed with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 Just dont like the excuses used to justify a poor season so far. We started -10 so what! Norwich started -8 (under Lambert) and they are now top. We wouldnt even be in the playoffs if someone gave us the -10 back. We have also spent millions while Norwich have spent little. Its a fair comparison and for me shows how disapointing our season has been so far. 11 wins in 27 means we will not get to the PO this season. Norwich did not start on minus 8. What is wrong with you? If we had our minus ten back we would be 3 points off the play-offs with a game in hand. If we don't make the play-offs (but we will) we will win the league in a canter next season. Mate, just relax or get out more or something. Or failing that try Diazepam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 Both are playing with the same squads but yes they're doing well. So what? We're three points off the play-offs without the -10 and which of Colchester and Norwich are still in the FA Cup and JPT? Oh, neither. That is the crux of the matter. They haven't needed to change practically their entire squads as we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 That is the crux of the matter. They haven't needed to change practically their entire squads as we have. I think it's important to understand that we are a work in progress on a five year plan. Undoubtedly Pardew has made some mistakes and some players have taken time to settle, etc. And in truth, the number of games is probably also hurting us - but I don't mind as long as we keep building and winning. Some people need to remember where we were and where we are. It's not accepting mediocrity to be happy that we exist and are winning. We came within minutes of oblivion. Now we're looking upwards. I expect us to reach the play-offs. But if we don't, I won't cry and wail like a baby like some. Because I am thankful to have a decent young team to support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InvictaSaint Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 I think it's important to understand that we are a work in progress on a five year plan. Undoubtedly Pardew has made some mistakes and some players have taken time to settle, etc. And in truth, the number of games is probably also hurting us - but I don't mind as long as we keep building and winning. Some people need to remember where we were and where we are. It's not accepting mediocrity to be happy that we exist and are winning. We came within minutes of oblivion. Now we're looking upwards. I expect us to reach the play-offs. But if we don't, I won't cry and wail like a baby like some. Because I am thankful to have a decent young team to support. LSC, I am with you all the way. Some of the posters on this thread are either so pathologically masochistic that they continue to spout variants of the same negative bile in order to bait other posters - in which case, well done chaps; mission accomplished - or, more worryingly, they actually believe they are right. This is no longer about reasoned debate, it is about adopting a position of self-righteous pontificating, and hiding behind the tippety-tap of a keyboard, sniping from the gutters and having a jolly good time of it. They see little to be positive about, other than the pleasure gleaned from goading people, and their arguments are flimsy. So before I hit the ignore button - sadly the first time I have ever thought of doing so in almost 4 years on this forum - here are the FACTS of the matter: - the club almost died in the summer. We came close to extinction, according to official sources, on three occasions before Liebherr took over. Neither Norwich nor Colchester (the much vaunted "similar" clubs) was in the same position - we started the season on -10 points. No other club in League 1 did. - No scouting system was in place. Neither Norwich nor Colchester had so little infrastructure. - Pardew took over at the end of what should have been pre-season, not enough time to have any major influence on that crucial period - Player morale at the beginning of the season was almost non-existent; many of the kids had had their self-belief shattered. - Multiple purchases since August are having a positive effect - Form since Gillingham is play off standard, which, given our starting point, would be a major achievement We all want Saints to do well, to be promoted, but most of us accept this may have to wait until next season. Most of us would also accept that patience is required, though we would also say that failure to be promoted to the CCC next season would qualify as failure in both fans' and owners' eyes. Finally, most of us are - for the first time in many, many years, enjoying going to SMS again to see Saints. That in itself, and perhaps even on its own is - for most of us anyway - a reason to be cheerful. - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 The stat that suprised me that I noticed today is that we've only lost 7 games all season in all competitions! FAR too many draws though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madruss Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 Under the same rules, Norwich and Colchester didnt have 'real' pre-seasons either but look at them. They havent spent millions either. Did Norwich or Colchester come within weeks of going out of existence completely?? No, didn't think so. Don't underestimate the effect of such severe off-field events on a club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 Norwich did not start on minus 8. What is wrong with you? If we had our minus ten back we would be 3 points off the play-offs with a game in hand. If we don't make the play-offs (but we will) we will win the league in a canter next season. Mate, just relax or get out more or something. Or failing that try Diazepam. Don't be too hard on Glasgow. He is after all only 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 LSC, I am with you all the way. Some of the posters on this thread are either so pathologically masochistic that they continue to spout variants of the same negative bile in order to bait other posters - in which case, well done chaps; mission accomplished - or, more worryingly, they actually believe they are right. This is no longer about reasoned debate, it is about adopting a position of self-righteous pontificating, and hiding behind the tippety-tap of a keyboard, sniping from the gutters and having a jolly good time of it. They see little to be positive about, other than the pleasure gleaned from goading people, and their arguments are flimsy. So before I hit the ignore button - sadly the first time I have ever thought of doing so in almost 4 years on this forum - here are the FACTS of the matter: - the club almost died in the summer. We came close to extinction, according to official sources, on three occasions before Liebherr took over. Neither Norwich nor Colchester (the much vaunted "similar" clubs) was in the same position - we started the season on -10 points. No other club in League 1 did. - No scouting system was in place. Neither Norwich nor Colchester had so little infrastructure. - Pardew took over at the end of what should have been pre-season, not enough time to have any major influence on that crucial period - Player morale at the beginning of the season was almost non-existent; many of the kids had had their self-belief shattered. - Multiple purchases since August are having a positive effect - Form since Gillingham is play off standard, which, given our starting point, would be a major achievement We all want Saints to do well, to be promoted, but most of us accept this may have to wait until next season. Most of us would also accept that patience is required, though we would also say that failure to be promoted to the CCC next season would qualify as failure in both fans' and owners' eyes. Finally, most of us are - for the first time in many, many years, enjoying going to SMS again to see Saints. That in itself, and perhaps even on its own is - for most of us anyway - a reason to be cheerful. - Excellent post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintdale Posted 30 January, 2010 Share Posted 30 January, 2010 LSC, I am with you all the way. Some of the posters on this thread are either so pathologically masochistic that they continue to spout variants of the same negative bile in order to bait other posters - in which case, well done chaps; mission accomplished - or, more worryingly, they actually believe they are right. This is no longer about reasoned debate, it is about adopting a position of self-righteous pontificating, and hiding behind the tippety-tap of a keyboard, sniping from the gutters and having a jolly good time of it. They see little to be positive about, other than the pleasure gleaned from goading people, and their arguments are flimsy. So before I hit the ignore button - sadly the first time I have ever thought of doing so in almost 4 years on this forum - here are the FACTS of the matter: - the club almost died in the summer. We came close to extinction, according to official sources, on three occasions before Liebherr took over. Neither Norwich nor Colchester (the much vaunted "similar" clubs) was in the same position - we started the season on -10 points. No other club in League 1 did. - No scouting system was in place. Neither Norwich nor Colchester had so little infrastructure. - Pardew took over at the end of what should have been pre-season, not enough time to have any major influence on that crucial period - Player morale at the beginning of the season was almost non-existent; many of the kids had had their self-belief shattered. - Multiple purchases since August are having a positive effect - Form since Gillingham is play off standard, which, given our starting point, would be a major achievement We all want Saints to do well, to be promoted, but most of us accept this may have to wait until next season. Most of us would also accept that patience is required, though we would also say that failure to be promoted to the CCC next season would qualify as failure in both fans' and owners' eyes. Finally, most of us are - for the first time in many, many years, enjoying going to SMS again to see Saints. That in itself, and perhaps even on its own is - for most of us anyway - a reason to be cheerful. - Superb Post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 I'd swap there league positions for our JPT and FA Cup spots - wouldnt you? I remember when Lambert took over Norwich - they had lost 2 and drawn 1 and he said that he was effectively taking a side with a -8 handicap. Tale of two managers. They have exactly double our points Perhaps they're better than us....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintJackoInHurworth Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 A few other things to bear in mind in terms of us being able to get into the play-offs: 1. Our 'games in hand' are against Huddersfield and Swindon. Win them both and we make up major ground against our play-off opponents (lose them both and we will probably struggle to get anywhere near the play-offs!) 2. Both our games in hand are at home. 3. We have won every home game since the end of November. 4. We have only lost two home games all season. 5. The majority of our remaining away fixtures are against clubs towards the bottom of the table. 6. We have already played most of our most difficult away fixtures (with the exception of Norwich). 7. Two of our remaining away fixtures are against MK Dons and Bristol Rovers who we have already beaten away in the JPT and FA Cup respectively. Bearing these facts in mind, I think it is more than possible that we could win most of our remaining home games and possibly even most of our away games. The only game we might look at with any serious doubt would be the Norwich game. If we can do as well as this, then we have every chance of making the play-offs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 LSC, I am with you all the way. Some of the posters on this thread are either so pathologically masochistic that they continue to spout variants of the same negative bile in order to bait other posters - in which case, well done chaps; mission accomplished - or, more worryingly, they actually believe they are right. This is no longer about reasoned debate, it is about adopting a position of self-righteous pontificating, and hiding behind the tippety-tap of a keyboard, sniping from the gutters and having a jolly good time of it. They see little to be positive about, other than the pleasure gleaned from goading people, and their arguments are flimsy. So before I hit the ignore button - sadly the first time I have ever thought of doing so in almost 4 years on this forum - here are the FACTS of the matter: - the club almost died in the summer. We came close to extinction, according to official sources, on three occasions before Liebherr took over. Neither Norwich nor Colchester (the much vaunted "similar" clubs) was in the same position - we started the season on -10 points. No other club in League 1 did. - No scouting system was in place. Neither Norwich nor Colchester had so little infrastructure. - Pardew took over at the end of what should have been pre-season, not enough time to have any major influence on that crucial period - Player morale at the beginning of the season was almost non-existent; many of the kids had had their self-belief shattered. - Multiple purchases since August are having a positive effect - Form since Gillingham is play off standard, which, given our starting point, would be a major achievement We all want Saints to do well, to be promoted, but most of us accept this may have to wait until next season. Most of us would also accept that patience is required, though we would also say that failure to be promoted to the CCC next season would qualify as failure in both fans' and owners' eyes. Finally, most of us are - for the first time in many, many years, enjoying going to SMS again to see Saints. That in itself, and perhaps even on its own is - for most of us anyway - a reason to be cheerful. - Well worth quoting this again - absolutely spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 We have fair excuses to justify a poor start to the season. Since we have also spent millions we have done well - play off form. Its a fair comparison, to use the time since Pardew actually had an assistant and his players, and for me shows how disapointing our season has been due to the slow start. 11 wins in 27 means we will not get to the PO this season but if we carry on as Pardew is doing so well we might just do it. think its long shot but we might Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 (edited) think its long shot but we might 45 points out of 57 is certainly a long shot. Much will depend on our games against the current top 6 and Huddersfield (who are virtual 6th because they need 1 point from 2 games in hand to overtake Millwall) Winning 14 out of 19 will be exceptional really, especially as it means beating any 2 of Leeds,Norwich,Charlton,Huddersfield and Swindon and probably not losing to 2 of the others. Edited 31 January, 2010 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 If Norwich can do it with -8 we can do it with -10. Got to be more ambitious guys - DON'T settle for 2nd best anymore Please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 If Norwich can do it with -8 we can do it with -10. Got to be more ambitious guys - DON'T settle for 2nd best anymore Please When were Norwich on -8? Strange!! Why are you suggesting we are NOT ambitious enough? Have you noticed new signings plus 2 points a game for last 17 games? How should we be more ambitious? Sorry you're not logical Glasgow, give up will you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 When were Norwich on -8? Strange!! Why are you suggesting we are NOT ambitious enough? Have you noticed new signings plus 2 points a game for last 17 games? How should we be more ambitious? Sorry you're not logical Glasgow, give up will you? The club is ambitious, I am ambitious - but every thread I got to, someone says "playoffs not realistic as we started -10" Norwich manager (Lambert) also started -8 at Norwich. They are now clear at the top 30 points ahead of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 Norwich on -8? In a parallel universe maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 Norwich on -8? In a parallel universe maybe. I think he means they had 8 points less than the team who were top when Lambert took over. They did get mightily tonked by Colchester very early on in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 The club is ambitious, I am ambitious - but every thread I got to, someone says "playoffs not realistic as we started -10" Norwich manager (Lambert) also started -8 at Norwich. They are now clear at the top 30 points ahead of us. There is such a thing as being over-ambitious Glasgow. Yes, getting into the play-offs is most certainly a possibility with the squad we now have. No, it is not likely to happen. Yes, we will ALL be EXPECTING promotion next season. Jesus, what is wrong with just enjoying football for once? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 If Norwich can do it with -8 we can do it with -10. Got to be more ambitious guys - DON'T settle for 2nd best anymore Please GS - While I admire your commitment your logic is deeply flawed If - given that after three league games Paul Lambert reckons he was starting on minus eight - by the same token we would have been starting on minus eighteen! We only got one point out of the Millwall, Huddersfield & Swindon games. I've said all along that the play-offs are a long shot but it is the hope engendered by the good results & the positive management (both playing staff & directorial) that nags away at my logic. Whatever happens we've made huge progress & I have my pride & smile back....being a Saints fan isn't a choice for me, it's a part of me & my life has been so much more cheerful since Herr Liebherr & Mr Pardew & their associated teams made it so. Got to say that the shower of poo down the road are helping with that as wel - karma working like it should! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 I hate all these crap stats about where we'd be if we'd done this and done that, not counting the first 10 games etc. Unfortunately the football league DO count the first 10 games. Simple facts: We are 13 points off the playoffs (15 points if H'field win their game in hand) We would still be outside the top 6 without the deduction We have 19 games to make up the difference We are not playing very well We have struggled against sides at the top all season We have the added distraction of massive cup games I think the playoffs are too much of an ask, we really need to improve our away form. No more room for dropped points. Don't get me wrong, we're having a good season, but the bad start and the -10 has left us with a very unlikeky chance of making it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 The club is ambitious, I am ambitious - but every thread I got to, someone says "playoffs not realistic as we started -10" Norwich manager (Lambert) also started -8 at Norwich. They are now clear at the top 30 points ahead of us. the trouble with this season is that 2 teams in our division may well finish with more than 100 points each and 4 others may well ber close to 80. If you take Huddersfield as about the worst of the top teams (don't include millwall their position is false) they have 45 points from 26 games and projecting that they would finish on 79+. So having minus 10 and then taking 4 from 6 made our job ridiculously difficult. We've been getting good results but the -10 will eventually stop us making the top 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 I hate all these crap stats about where we'd be if we'd done this and done that, not counting the first 10 games etc. Unfortunately the football league DO count the first 10 games. Simple facts: We are 13 points off the playoffs (15 points if H'field win their game in hand) We would still be outside the top 6 without the deduction We have 19 games to make up the difference We are not playing very well We have struggled against sides at the top all season We have the added distraction of massive cup games I think the playoffs are too much of an ask, we really need to improve our away form. No more room for dropped points. Don't get me wrong, we're having a good season, but the bad start and the -10 has left us with a very unlikeky chance of making it at last the first post with facts that mean something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westofshannonsaint Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 Just dont like the excuses used to justify a poor season so far. I know what your saying and I argued against using the lack of a pre season as an excuse during our slow start, but when you look at the results in hindsight it is hard to see any other reason for our poor beginning to the season. Got to be more ambitious guys - DON'T settle for 2nd best anymore Please nothing wrong with being ambitious, and the Playoffs are a realistic target, but sometimes targets are missed. I expect us to finish top half this season, if we are within 3 points from 6th place on the morning of may 8th I will consider this season a success. going from rock bottom to 11th place by the end of january is progress, and remember that we only need to finish in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legod Third Coming Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 If Norwich can do it with -8 we can do it with -10. Got to be more ambitious guys - DON'T settle for 2nd best anymore Please I think what's more impressive is Leeds who started on minus 15. Look at them now? Why don't you aim to be them??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 Just to put some balance into this Results against 1st-6th W0 D5 L3 7th-12th W1 D3 L2 13th-18th W5 D1 L0 19th-24th W5 D1 L1 We have a little way to go yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 I think what's more impressive is Leeds who started on minus 15. Look at them now? Why don't you aim to be them??? Leeds did make the playoffs after starting -15 you're right. Norwich were -8 when Lambert took over and they look likely to win the league. We had -10 and are.......well we just are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 January, 2010 Share Posted 31 January, 2010 what is -8..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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