McGoldrick

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

Did anyone else there today see McG's first half tantrum? It came after he shot rather than crossed and there were chants about him being a greedy b*st*rd (I think it came from the Barnsley end but I'm not sure!).

 

First he booted the ball away, then he dribbled towards our own goal (admittedly pursued by 2 Barnsley players but with more purpose than he did toward their goal all game) and then he stood on the halfway line, refusing to join in with our next attack.

 

After the game, Jan mentioned on Radio Hants that one or two of his players are "a bit sweet on themselves" and they needed to lose this if we were to progress - I would presume this was aimed at McG's behaviour today. He does seem to have this air of arrogance but, seemingly, without the substance to back it up, on today's showing anyway.

[jethro]

Did anyone else there today see McG's first half tantrum? It came after he shot rather than crossed and there were chants about him being a greedy b*st*rd (I think it came from the Barnsley end but I'm not sure!).

 

First he booted the ball away, then he dribbled towards our own goal (admittedly pursued by 2 Barnsley players but with more purpose than he did toward their goal all game) and then he stood on the halfway line, refusing to join in with our next attack.

 

After the game, Jan mentioned on Radio Hants that one or two of his players are "a bit sweet on themselves" and they needed to lose this if we were to progress - I would presume this was aimed at McG's behaviour today. He does seem to have this air of arrogance but, seemingly, without the substance to back it up, on today's showing anyway.

Yes and he will always try to beat one more man!

[saintstr1]

I am sorry to say that Mcgoldrick is one of a few in our present young team who think they are better than they are, We are dead certs for relegation with our present squad and after being a supporter for nearly sixty years I dont say that lightly.

[saintkiptanui]

He's the best looking player in our team, this will obviously cause arrogance, f*ck me I suffer from the same problem.

[Saint Matty 76]

He'll never make it as a striker if he play's like that today, I'd feel much more comfortable with Pekhart up there up until Janurary when we can get another striker in.

[Saint Matty 76]

I know he was playing right-forward, as somebody will correct me with, but still, he was ****,

 

end of.

[L1Minus10]

Big time ****ing charlie. A tap in v Cardiff and two goals including a pen against a team that wa sin the Conference last year. legend. Drop him.

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

Big time ****ing charlie.

 

Absolutely. Anyone who runs toward his own goal, looking like the petulant kid who deliberately scored own goals at school, has a serious attitude problem. God knows how he'll react if the fans were ever to really get on his back, as happened to Ricardo Fuller.

[L1Minus10]

Absolutely. Anyone who runs toward his own goal' date=' looking like the petulant kid who deliberately scored own goals at school, has a serious attitude problem. God knows how he'll react if the fans were ever to really get on his back, as happened to Ricardo Fuller.[/quote']

 

Yeah... and Fuller is twice the player McGoldrick is. Hasn't McG been **** every time he's been on loan somewhere... probably thought it was all beneath him to play in league 1 or whatever.

[Whitey Grandad]

He's just got a new contract, he can do what he likes for the next 3 years.

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

Yeah... and Fuller is twice the player McGoldrick is. Hasn't McG been **** every time he's been on loan somewhere... probably thought it was all beneath him to play in league 1 or whatever.

 

I can't seem to recall Port Vale's desperation to hang onto him, last year, I must admit.

[Toomer]

Wants a bloody good kick up the arse, trouble is the manager is not strong enough to do it.

[Glasgow_Saint]

The fact that he is now one of our best players sums up just how far we have fallen.

 

I see better players than him every saturday in the Bmth combo league - McG should be dropped and made to train with the reserves or kids (suppose he already is!)

[Badger]

I don't think will be up to the standard we require as long as he has a hole in his arse.

 

Makes me want to weep when I think we missed out on Vokes.

[derry]

Should have been taken off as soon as he stopped playing wide. Even when he thought he was wide, he was 10yds inside the touchline.

 

Tries to run every time he gets the ball.

 

It is fundamental that the wide players hug the touchline, except when the play is on the other wing, then come in towards corner of the penalty area.

 

It is the only way we can stretch the defence and give multi passing options for the team.

 

Every time we have played badly has been when the team is narrow allowing the defence to compact and negating our passing options.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

He is woeful at the moment and only average at his best i`m afraid.

 

But the truth is he is bullit proof and

is first name on team sheet everyweek as JP and RL love him.

[Saint Martini]

He is woeful at the moment and only average at his best i`m afraid.

 

But the truth is he is bullit proof and

is first name on team sheet everyweek as JP and RL love him.

 

Wouldn't Poortvliet's post-match comments suggest otherwise?

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Wouldn't Poortvliet's post-match comments suggest otherwise?

 

Don`t see his name mentioned.

 

BWP will be who he meant, before you say he was poor also i will say Mcg

was far worse and much worse against Ipswich, but BWP will lose his place.

[Saint Martini]

Its about one or two (as you can see in the opening post), but previous posters suggested it might be DMG he talked about. I wouldn't know really.

[Whitey Grandad]

He is woeful at the moment and only average at his best i`m afraid.

 

But the truth is he is bullit proof and

is first name on team sheet everyweek as JP and RL love him.

Could that be because he is the one in whom they see the most profit when they sell him?

[benjii]

I actually think he could be a very good player for us.

 

He has more ability than Blackstock or Best IMO, both of whom are showing themselves to be CCC standard strikers.

 

McGoldrick would benefit with having a STRIKE PARTNER alongside him rather than having to play left wing/right wing/in the hole/up front alone. Start him alongside John IMO.

 

Unfortunately we seem obsessed with "4-2-1-2-1" whether it suits the players available or not.

[itchen]

Could that be because he is the one in whom they see the most profit when they sell him?

 

The logical contortions we get into on this board never cease to amaze me. So, on a thread detailing how poor McGoldrick is, we get a post saying that he only plays every week so we can make a profit when we sell him. If he's that bad, who will want to buy him? Or perhaps he's not that bad in which case it would be perverse not to play him. Or perhaps, like all the other players, he's for sale if the price is right but meanwhile we'll play what JP thinks (rightly or wrongly) is our strongest team.

 

I'm all for discussion of a player's ability but please can we get away from the idea that everything is part of some huge plot to maximise the amount going into Rupert's back pocket?

[Whitey Grandad]

The logical contortions we get into on this board never cease to amaze me. So, on a thread detailing how poor McGoldrick is, we get a post saying that he only plays every week so we can make a profit when we sell him. If he's that bad, who will want to buy him? Or perhaps he's not that bad in which case it would be perverse not to play him. Or perhaps, like all the other players, he's for sale if the price is right but meanwhile we'll play what JP thinks (rightly or wrongly) is our strongest team.

 

I'm all for discussion of a player's ability but please can we get away from the idea that everything is part of some huge plot to maximise the amount going into Rupert's back pocket?

It's the one theory that explains everything.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I actually think he could be a very good player for us.

 

He has more ability than Blackstock or Best IMO, both of whom are showing themselves to be CCC standard strikers.

 

McGoldrick would benefit with having a STRIKE PARTNER alongside him rather than having to play left wing/right wing/in the hole/up front alone. Start him alongside John IMO.

 

Unfortunately we seem obsessed with "4-2-1-2-1" whether it suits the players available or not.

 

Spot on my friend .

[Greenridge]

I guess he was starting to believe the hype when the Club bigged him up in pre-season. It also seems a fair majority on here caught the bug as well. He's a legend in his own half-time.

[redorwhitelion]

McGoldrick ain't no wide player that's for sure. BWP, was equally crap in that position, but at least gave the impression he was giving his best in a position that's not his own.

 

McGoldrick just seemed to give up after a while (quite a short while), in both an attacking and a defensive sense. I felt sorry for Mills early on, with the complete lack of protection he was offerd by McGoldrick on his debut.

[SaintRichmond]

Did anyone else there today see McG's first half tantrum? It came after he shot rather than crossed and there were chants about him being a greedy b*st*rd (I think it came from the Barnsley end but I'm not sure!).

 

First he booted the ball away, then he dribbled towards our own goal (admittedly pursued by 2 Barnsley players but with more purpose than he did toward their goal all game) and then he stood on the halfway line, refusing to join in with our next attack.

 

After the game, Jan mentioned on Radio Hants that one or two of his players are "a bit sweet on themselves" and they needed to lose this if we were to progress - I would presume this was aimed at McG's behaviour today. He does seem to have this air of arrogance but, seemingly, without the substance to back it up, on today's showing anyway.

 

 

Even so, I have sympathy with McGoldrick ........ he is NOT a right winger, and playing him out on the right will NEVER work

 

OK, in Holland, players take turns to play in EVERY position, but they do that from the moment they are first coached. ......... It can NOT be done years into a footballer's life.

 

Poortvliet may be getting more Football out of the players, but he HAS to realise that there are LIMITS

 

Playing a recognised centre forward out on the right is CRAZY, IMHO, coupled with the fact that Poortvliets tactics stop at the edge of the box, because we have no one with enough CCC muscle to go on and SHOOT

[Gaucho]

I saw him for the first time against Blackpool and the guy is not a forward - a half decent midfielder perhaps.

[Ken Tone]

McGoldrick ain't no wide player that's for sure. BWP, was equally crap in that position, but at least gave the impression he was giving his best in a position that's not his own.

 

McGoldrick just seemed to give up after a while (quite a short while), in both an attacking and a defensive sense. I felt sorry for Mills early on, with the complete lack of protection he was offerd by McGoldrick on his debut.

 

 

This was the main problem for me in much of the game. without Holmes and until Drew ws finally pushed out there inthe last 10 minutes we effectively had no one in front of Mills. Whichever of BWP or McGoldrck was supposed to be playing on the left ( and it varied during the game --they swapped ) kept drifting into the middle. At one point both players were wide on the right wing and W-P then crossed to the left where he was supposed to be.

 

With so little support I thought Mills did amazingly well. He didn't get forward like Drew does, but if he had, we'd have had no defence because there was no one to cover. It HAS to be worth trying Mills at LB with Drew in front of him in a 4-4-2 until Holmes is back -- in fact the formation we finished with. But will Jan be flexible enough to do that or will he stick rigidly to the system he prefers, even though we don't currently have the players to play it?

 

K.

[surrey1saint]

mcg was poor on Saturday,needs a kick up the arse.

To be fair though our injury problems seem to mean some players are being played out of position,which won't help.

[mitch01]

I think he's a good player, we need to stick with him this season. With the lack of other real options in our squad, we can only do the best with what we have.

[Um Bongo]

He's a ****y lad, that's for sure.

[austsaint]

McG. is obviously not a wide player is he? Can someone remind me of how we let go of or lost Ricardo Fuller?

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

As far as I remember, Burley got rid of Ricardo because he was on Prem money and, with only 1 year left on his contract, he didn't want to offer him a new, equally well paid deal. He had other, much less talented players to squanders those funds on! I believe he only got a mighty £100k-£150k for him, too, which is wonderful management all round really.

[Bakovnetski]

McG does think too much of himself methinks, along with BWP. The latter should be given the heave-ho IMO and the former dropped to the bench for a while. JP needs to have the courage of his convictions in man-management and not give anyone the chance to put themselves before the team. The boy Peckardt wants to play and could pose more of an aerial threat than McG in this league. Try the immobile SJ off the bench if we need to but only if the lad has tried his all and is knackered.

[Chez]

Wants a bloody good kick up the arse, trouble is the manager is not strong enough to do it.

 

Jan went for the carrot of a three year contract rather than the stick, ie kicking him up the arse.

[Chez]

Only just managed to get on here as I've been ill since the Barnsley game. Well, prior to that, although I imagine if I'd been well it would have made me sick.

 

I didn't mind see young players in a decent system give their all and play the right way even if the results were disappointing. But that's not what happened on Saturday at all. The whole point of this formation was the width, and I know we miss Holmes and no-one has made the right side their own, but Saturday was a joke.

 

I believe JP made a mistake playing McGoldrick and BWP out there, and playing Thomson left rather than right, although he did ok. But the main culprit wasn't mismanagement or injury problems, it was David McGoldrick's abysmal attitude. I've always been unsure of him, sometimes it's like he could be a good striker, other times he looks awful, but I'm all for giving that more time if someone is trying their best. He simply wasn't.

 

He point blank refused to stay on the wing. The number of times there was a huge space there, he could have had a couple of tap ins if he'd held position, he would have had the defender one on one countless times. Yet there was no-one there, except when poor old Pekhart saw he had to go and cover the position, so we had a giant centre forward trying to play on the left wing. Worse than that, three times I saw McGoldrick have a tantrum, I lost count of the number of times he simply couldn't be bothered to keep up with play, whether tracking back or getting forward. He just ambled around without a care in the world. Particularly crap for Mills making his debut who several times found he had no-one to pass to down the line and had to turn back, putting himself under pressure. For what it's worth, I thought Mills improved greatly after a shaky first half hour.

 

After that display of attitude, I'm disappointed McGoldrick has signed a new contract. If he must play, he has to play up front otherwise we'll lose our formation. If I was Jan I'd have been absolutely furious with him for blatantly disobeying instructions and giving nothing for his team. But if Jan had seen it, surely he'd have taken him off.

 

It's a shame for the other lads, as nearly all of them give everything, even someone like Gillett who is a very poor player, but does all he can. Pekhart ran all day, Lallana tried everything, even BWP despite being poor did put the effort in. So thanks Dave, you're a ****ing disgrace.

 

Agree either play him up front or drop him. He is never a winger in a million years.

[once_bitterne]

Wasn't McG rumoured to be bullying a few of his youth team team mates a few years back? I think it's safe to assume the bloke has a bit of an attitude problem.....

[Saints foreva]

He is useless and I have never rated him. He is a sulking little baby.

 

Also on saturday I seem to remember him always having his hands on his hips and never being on his toes ready for something.

 

USELESS!

[TopGun]

He is useless and I have never rated him. He is a sulking little baby.

 

Also on saturday I seem to remember him always having his hands on his hips and never being on his toes ready for something.

 

USELESS!

 

Certainly needs to remove the dummy from his mouth and finger from his arse!

[Whitey Grandad]

He is useless and I have never rated him. He is a sulking little baby.

 

Also on saturday I seem to remember him always having his hands on his hips and never being on his toes ready for something.

 

USELESS!

To be fair to him, in the first half he did make a run to the goal-line and put a good ball across the face of the goal but nobody got near it. Was it after that that he went into a sulk?

[sambosa75]

I'm sorry but McGoldrick is absolute pony. His movement is poor, his body language is awful and he couldnt trap a sand bag. If rumours are to be believed his attitude stinks also. He scored a couple at the start of the season but I've never been convinced he can cut it on a regular basis. Please start playing John or even Pekhart ahead of him. John might be getting on a bit but he still bagged c. 20 goals for us last season. Without those goals we'd be in League 1 now.