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CB Fry

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Appreciate most want to talk about more important matters, and quite right.

 

But still surprised not to see a thread on Coppell here today.

 

Has shown a couple of times he's a far better manager as an underdog working to low expectation (Reading, Palace) rather than in a position where success is expected and pressure is higher (Man City, Bristol).

 

Kind of suggests he may not have been the man to take on the immense pressure that comes with getting Saints into the Championship pretty damn quick and may also explain why he didn't end up coming in the first place.

 

 

That said, we may still be planning to employ a DoF (I think that hasn't been ruled out yet).

 

Pards of course played for SC who I think would be a pretty benign, but wise and experienced DoF.

 

And SC's statement specifically mentioned retiring from "management" rather than football entirely. In the fullness of time, of course, could be a nice little development.

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He's lost his footballing desire apparently. Not somebody I'd want to see at SMS, no matter how much experience he has. If he has lost his zest for the game, then coming here and sitting on a fat pay cheque for the hell of it is not something I'd personally like to see.

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SC leaving Bristol is a strange one and him leaving Man City was/is also shrouded in mystery.

We have a mutual friend and I have met him once or twice.

He was definitely NC's 1st choice of manager and was on his way down the M3 to sign the contract but then had second thoughts due to him not having enough time off between jobs.

 

When I heard the news today my first thoughts were that he may be approached, if AP departs. But then it said he is leaving management which makes me think there could be something in CB's OP.

 

These are strange days indeed.

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Les Reed was appointed in April 2010, his role is pretty much that of a Director of Football at Saints. He also has more experience of similar roles than Coppell as he was technical director at the FA.

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2025768,00.html

 

Saints don't need Coppell.

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What do we have Les Reed for then?

 

Tough to tell exactly, but as I understand it Les Reed has a slightly different role to DoF. His role seems to be dominated by looking after the coaching setup for the whole club, at all age levels. A DoF, in my eyes anyway, seems to be more closely associated with the first team and is a bridge between the manager, the chairman, the technical director (Les Reed in this case), the scouts, agents etc.

 

Although previously Cortese had said he wanted a DoF by the end of the season, so maybe that's changed.

 

Edit; just read his job descriptions, so perhaps you're right. However, that role would seem to have him reporting to AP, whereas a typical DoF role would have AP reporting to him.

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The Football Development and Support Centre oversees four main areas - The Academy, Scouting, Sports Medicine and Equipment Procurement

 

Les Reed as the head of the centre is pretty much a director of football for Saints. Just has a slightly different job title.

 

If Les is doing a DOF role (as you speculate) why do we need Coppell?

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SC leaving Bristol is a strange one and him leaving Man City was/is also shrouded in mystery.

We have a mutual friend and I have met him once or twice.

He was definitely NC's 1st choice of manager and was on his way down the M3 to sign the contract but then had second thoughts due to him not having enough time off between jobs.

 

When I heard the news today my first thoughts were that he may be approached, if AP departs. But then it said he is leaving management which makes me think there could be something in CB's OP.

 

These are strange days indeed.

 

Having backed him at 33-1 I would have taken a very small mgt stint from him.

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The Football Development and Support Centre oversees four main areas - The Academy, Scouting, Sports Medicine and Equipment Procurement

 

Les Reed as the head of the centre is pretty much a director of football for Saints. Just has a slightly different job title.

 

 

 

Not really - that role is nothing like the Director of Football role that Lawrie Mac carried out alongside Ball, Merrington and Souness, which was to sit on the board, be a link from boardroom to training ground, be a sounding board for the manager, and negotiate player transfers and contracts for the first team. Coppell might want to do a job like that, Pardew may want someone to take on some of that workload, and maybe more importantly Cortese might still want a DoF in that mould. I'm not even saying I want it to happen but it is a role that could come about.

 

Les Reed is an irrelevence in that scenario.

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SC leaving Bristol is a strange one and him leaving Man City was/is also shrouded in mystery.

We have a mutual friend and I have met him once or twice.

He was definitely NC's 1st choice of manager and was on his way down the M3 to sign the contract but then had second thoughts due to him not having enough time off between jobs.

 

When I heard the news today my first thoughts were that he may be approached, if AP departs. But then it said he is leaving management which makes me think there could be something in CB's OP.

 

These are strange days indeed.

 

Dont want to see Coppell here. He sounds flaky and unreliable.

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I disagree with the premise that the expectation would have been higher at Man City or Bristol than Reading or Palace. Man City had finished in the bottom 6 in the previous two seasons and Reading were in a higher position that Bristol when he took over at each club.

 

It seems that if it doesn't feel right for SC he goes, in my opinion that's honest, he doesn't hang about looking to be paid off he just ups and leave. He's let people down at BC and probably did at MC but he's left early enough for the damage to be repairable.

 

For what he did at Reading means that I would have loved him to get our job.

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Cortese never said he wanted a "Director of Football" IIRC. He said he wanted a "Sporting Director". I reckon this tends towards the Les Reed role more than the traditional, "some crusty old ex-manager sticking his oar in" role.

 

since his original comments Cortese has said that a Director of Football wouldn't be necessary here.

 

If he never said he wanted a DOF, why did (as Saint_Clark speculates) NC say a DOF would no longer be necessary?

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Appreciate most want to talk about more important matters, and quite right.

 

But still surprised not to see a thread on Coppell here today...

 

 

There is a thread about Steve Coppell actually. It's in General Sports, where all non-Saints related threads should be. :rolleyes:

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There is a thread about Steve Coppell actually. It's in General Sports, where all non-Saints related threads should be. :rolleyes:

 

My thread was about the Steve

Coppell that was heavily linked with Southampton football club as manager not that long ago, and much speculated about on this particular forum as a DOF subsequently. That Steve Coppell. That Southampton football club. Heard of them?

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My thread was about the Steve

Coppell that was heavily linked with Southampton football club as manager not that long ago, and much speculated about on this particular forum as a DOF subsequently. That Steve Coppell. That Southampton football club. Heard of them?

 

Even Manchester United are Saints related, because they play the same sport. But we like the narrow the field a little bit, so Saints related means Southampton FC and those directly associated with the club, plus those who are rumoured to be currently linked with the club. People who are no longer linked with the club are not really Saints related topics.

 

You'll notice I initially gave notice that this thread was not really Saints related, but still didn't move it. Call it, giving you the benefit of the doubt.

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Seems there is more than meets the eye with this story..

 

Coppell apparently quit because the Chairman overulled him to sign David James.

 

It was strange that James signed for a CCC Team

 

However, at the eleventh hour, it did save Pompey having to shell out another 140000 Salary to him

 

I expect it was "included" in the transfer deal

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Seems there is more than meets the eye with this story..

 

Coppell apparently quit because the Chairman overulled him to sign David James.

 

the bristol city chairman has just been on the radio (after a journo claimed it as fact what you say) and said it was completely not true and he was saddened that the papers would make this up...

 

the brizzle chairman said coppell made the calls, persuaded james to come to city and the only involvement the he had (the chairman) was to sit down with james and tell him his ambition for the club...

 

freedom of speech eh..?

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He's lost his footballing desire apparently. Not somebody I'd want to see at SMS, no matter how much experience he has. If he has lost his zest for the game, then coming here and sitting on a fat pay cheque for the hell of it is not something I'd personally like to see.

 

Which is exactly what he said when he bailed on Man City after a few days/weeks years ago - and after that he became a very successful Reading manager...

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SC leaving Bristol is a strange one and him leaving Man City was/is also shrouded in mystery.

We have a mutual friend and I have met him once or twice.

He was definitely NC's 1st choice of manager and was on his way down the M3 to sign the contract but then had second thoughts due to him not having enough time off between jobs.

 

When I heard the news today my first thoughts were that he may be approached, if AP departs. But then it said he is leaving management which makes me think there could be something in CB's OP.

 

These are strange days indeed.

 

I'm not often ITK, and quite often post wind ups to, well, wind you lot up and watch your ******** grow. However, in this instance, I am ITK. I've met Coppell's son, Mark, who is a golfing friend of a friend in the US and he was never contacted by Saints to manage them or take up a DOF role.

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I'm not often ITK, and quite often post wind ups to, well, wind you lot up and watch your ******** grow. However, in this instance, I am ITK. I've met Coppell's son, Mark, who is a golfing friend of a friend in the US and he was never contacted by Saints to manage them or take up a DOF role.

 

Yes, but we didn't offer the job to his son. So what is your point, Mr Self-Confessed WUM.

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I'm not often ITK, and quite often post wind ups to, well, wind you lot up and watch your ******** grow. However, in this instance, I am ITK. I've met Coppell's son, Mark, who is a golfing friend of a friend in the US and he was never contacted by Saints to manage them or take up a DOF role.

 

Ridiculous. How would Steve Coppells son know? Totally absurd idea.

 

I'm placing my faith in Fitzhugh Fella's unsubstantiated assertion instead.

 

Not only is he ITK, he is aware of which motorway Steve Coppell is on. And when he is on it. That's definitive enough for me.

 

I imagine such impressive GPS technology is common amongst the ITK fraternity.

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The Lady who sells the cakes in our shop stated at the relevant time....

 

Pards was always favourite from early on........After Dubai Phil and nickh or old nick were disgarded..........Tisdale was in the running...But withdrew to his own lack of experience...

 

Craig David the Political newsreader was third favourite...Just ahead of ottery st mary and Micky Fialka.

 

She is clearly ITK as she is a fourth cousin of the postie who delivers to the Coppell houshold.

 

Steve was never considered for a position at Southampton AND was not ever on the M3.....

 

His Sat Nav record shows him heading down the A3 at the relevant time..........He said NO to Pompey...

 

Not saying you are not in the know.....Duncan..FF..........But my cake lady has closer connection to Stevie boy and she is adamant

 

Mr Coppellle was never offered the job......

 

WIFM

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