End of Photographer Ban?

[Gemmel]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3130742/SOUTHAMPTON-are-set-to-unveil-Nigel-Adkins-as-their-new-manager-today.html

 

The first word tells you all you need to know.

 

Looks like Kaiser Soze and Jackanory were right about NC's little trip to the paper. A few people owe them an apology.

 

Well if true then, it shows the man can back down and definately the right decision.

[thorpie the sinner]

Why? The sun would have got this from any other source, probably the Echo! absolutely nothing has come out from club remember, total utter silence!

[Gemmel]

Why? The sun would have got this from any other source, probably the Echo! absolutely nothing has come out from club remember, total utter silence!

 

 

[Wes Tender]

How do you arrive at the conclusion that it is the club that has backed down? Far more likely that it is the comic. Probably people were telling them how ridiculous they were making themselves look. It is one think acting childishly on a match report, but they would have looked ludicrous with headlines shouting South Coast club to appoint new manager today.

[NickG]

I am sorry you made up a story about Cortese spending the day at the sun?

[Gemmel]

How do you arrive at the conclusion that it is the club that has backed down? Far more likely that it is the comic. Probably people were telling them how ridiculous they were making themselves look. It is one think acting childishly on a match report, but they would have looked ludicrous with headlines shouting South Coast club to appoint new manager today.

 

Wes, you are an intelligent poster, you can't really believe that surely?

Would South Coast Club hire Adkins be any more ludicrous than, err, lets say, South Club Club sack Pardew??????

They took offence (As did the whole press, broadsheets as well) and backed NC into a corner, there is no way they would have backed down, they didn't need to. As they wrote in their very first article about it, we need them more than they need us.

It was hurting the club and from two independant posters, (One an ex Times Journo) who posted about his visit to New international, the very next day, we are back to being "Southampton". Time will tell regarding the photography, but this was only ever going to go one way.

[Thedelldays]

Maybe it is a mutual agreement between both parties with NC making the first move ???

 

Either way.. Good news right?

[dune]

How do you arrive at the conclusion that it is the club that has backed down? Far more likely that it is the comic. Probably people were telling them how ridiculous they were making themselves look. It is one think acting childishly on a match report, but they would have looked ludicrous with headlines shouting South Coast club to appoint new manager today.

 

What a mug.

[Gemmel]

Maybe it is a mutual agreement between both parties with NC making the first move ???

 

Either way.. Good news right?

 

Absolutely good news. The spin will suggest mutual, but The Sun, wouldn't have given anything.

It does suggest however that NC is capable of backing down, when he gets it wrong... a very welcome trait, that perhaps we havent seen before.

 

Anyone got Pardews number

[broncoboy]

Who cars a flying ---- what the Sun think or the Echo or any other of the pundits from the media

 

Next time some pundit starts gobbing off about Saints ask yourself how often has he been at St Marys in the last five years.

 

We are below the radar line. They have decided on Talksport that NA was chosen rather than PB because he is a yes man.

 

AB what a ****

[Danbert]

How do you arrive at the conclusion that it is the club that has backed down? Far more likely that it is the comic. Probably people were telling them how ridiculous they were making themselves look. It is one think acting childishly on a match report, but they would have looked ludicrous with headlines shouting South Coast club to appoint new manager today.

 

It's a great in joke for the press calling us South Coast Club - it's a story. There's absolutely no way they've backed down its not embarrassing for them at all. Our prat of a chairman backed himself completely into a corner.

[Thedelldays]

I love the way some has decided what is fact and what us not

 

Yep. Deffo NC grovelling. Lol you all know this because...........

[The Godfather]

I wonder if they had his phone tapped..... oh sorry it was its sister paper, the Sunday version.

[Gemmel]

Yep. Deffo NC grovelling. Lol you all know this because...........

 

Any other conclusion would defy logic

[The9]

Seems like too much of a coincidence that there's a rumour about Cortese building bridges with the media just as The Echo start printing what appears to be Saints insider stories and the Sun suddenly drop the "South Coast Club" charade - of course we'll only really know if the local/national papers get pictures after the next home game v Colchester on 18th.

 

And if Cortese has done this, well that's a good start - maybe next time he'll stop short of making the daft decision in the first place.

 

It is still unconfirmed, though the use of "Southampton" in the Sun is an improvement no matter what the reason.

[JRM]

No one really knows what was discussed, but it is 100% that Cortese was at news international offices so you can assume the photography ban was the reason for the visit, and you would imagine some sort of agreement has been reached.

[docker-p]

Absolutely good news. The spin will suggest mutual, but The Sun, wouldn't have given anything.

It does suggest however that NC is capable of backing down, when he gets it wrong... a very welcome trait, that perhaps we havent seen before.

Anyone got Pardews number

 

Here here to that.

[Master Bates]

Why? The sun would have got this from any other source, probably the Echo! absolutely nothing has come out from club remember, total utter silence!

 

Yeah I think i'm gonna give you a face palm too

 

[NorthamSteve]

No one knows do they? - You'll just have to wait until the next home game.

[Big John]

So. If NC had tipped them off as an olive branch gesture they will be well peed off with him now, of course he will believe that he has done no wrong in this whole debacle but making the sun look silly may not get him past the security man in the peaked cap next time he goes crawling. Meeting at THEIR place doesn;t quite fit with the 'Mr Cortese will see you now' rep does it.

 

Perhaps during negotiations he asked that should the deal fail then the Sun will tear Scunny to shreds, thus putting more pressure on them (Scunny) to accept a no compo deal. We shall see eh.

[Kaiser Soze]

Anyone wish to make an apology??

 

In future I shall keep these stories to myself!

[Hatch]

I reckon it's just a typo and some junior hack has been re-assigned to tea making duties.

[Wes Tender]

Pardon me for remaining a sceptic, but I do not see any concrete evidence that Cortese had met up with executives in the media to rebuild bridges. I still take it as a rumour, unsubstantiated. We can all see where it gets us, going off at half-c*ck today with this Adkins fiasco. We have heard the version from the Chairman of Sc*nthorpe and we have the version from the OS. Which do we believe?

 

I still reckon that the Sun would have looked ridiculous (more so than usual) had they persisted with the South Coast club with this story. That's my opinion and frankly I couldn't care a toss if anybody disagrees, which is their right. I also disagree that we need them onside. We don't.

[Ex Lion Tamer]

Looking at the latest Echo story they appear to be very much back in the loop with insider knowledge. Loooks very much like the info has come with the blessing on the club. It seems to me that, in what is a testing time for Cortese, he has realised how much he needs the Echo

[saint_stevo]

Anyone wish to make an apology??

 

In future I shall keep these stories to myself!

 

Makes me wonder if what you had said about MON was true........

 

Whats the latest if you are the all knowing

[JonnyLove]

I noticed on Sunday that the News of the world mentioned us as Saints and gave a full match report. I do believe there is still a ban but they are reporting on it but not purchasing the photo's or they have actually just given up trying to fight saints.

[JackanorySFC]

Pardon me for remaining a sceptic, but I do not see any concrete evidence that Cortese had met up with executives in the media to rebuild bridges. I still take it as a rumour, unsubstantiated. We can all see where it gets us, going off at half-c*ck today with this Adkins fiasco. We have heard the version from the Chairman of Sc*nthorpe and we have the version from the OS. Which do we believe?

 

I still reckon that the Sun would have looked ridiculous (more so than usual) had they persisted with the South Coast club with this story. That's my opinion and frankly I couldn't care a toss if anybody disagrees, which is their right. I also disagree that we need them onside. We don't.

 

Cortese disagrees with you.

 

You can be as sceptical as you like but Cortese was at News International for 3 hours on Tuesday. I'm happy to state my source if it means you finally see sense on this. A very good friend of mine that I've known for 15 years has a column in the Sports section of the Sun and is a full time staffer. He was in the Office when Cortese visited his Boss, Mike Dunn (Sun Sports Editor), he was in the NI Offices for a long time as his own request trying to get the Sun to change it's stance on "South Coast Club", "Clotese" etc. Part of this was to give The Sun the heads up that Adkins was our first choice and to remove the photograper ban from St Marys.

 

Today The Sun referred to us as "Southampton" again, demonstrating the positive results of the meeting. Oh, and that certainly wasn't a mistake - The Sun's Sub Editors are the best in the industry and wouldn't have let something like that "slip" through by mistake.

 

To be fair Cortese wouldn't have bothered with any other paper in the World, but you need to get past this blind hatred you have for the Sun and realise it's huge influence on a number of matters - one of which is sport.

[Wes Tender]

Looking at the latest Echo story they appear to be very much back in the loop with insider knowledge. Loooks very much like the info has come with the blessing on the club. It seems to me that, in what is a testing time for Cortese, he has realised how much he needs the Echo

 

What precisely leads you to conclude that the Echo has obtained information specifically from the club? I see nothing in what they have written that isn't in the public domain from the OS, or that could not be arrived at by conjecture.

 

And once more I question whether the club needs the Echo more than the Echo needs them, especially on matters of interest to the Saints supporting Echo readers, who will have gleaned far more accurately what the situation is from the OS.

[Wes Tender]

Cortese disagrees with you.

 

You can be as sceptical as you like but Cortese was at News International for 3 hours on Tuesday. I'm happy to state my source if it means you finally see sense on this. A very good friend of mine that I've known for 15 years has a column in the Sports section of the Sun and is a full time staffer. He was in the Office when Cortese visited his Boss, Mike Dunn (Sun Sports Editor), he was in the NI Offices for a long time as his own request trying to get the Sun to change it's stance on "South Coast Club", "Clotese" etc. Part of this was to give The Sun the heads up that Adkins was our first choice and to remove the photograper ban from St Marys.

 

Today The Sun referred to us as "Southampton" again, demonstrating the positive results of the meeting. Oh, and that certainly wasn't a mistake - The Sun's Sub Editors are the best in the industry and wouldn't have let something like that "slip" through by mistake.

 

To be fair Cortese wouldn't have bothered with any other paper in the World, but you need to get past this blind hatred you have for the Sun and realise it's huge influence on a number of matters - one of which is sport.

 

Well, you have this information from a source that you trust and I remain sceptical that Cortese would physically go all the way to London and spend 3 hours with some journo, when a telephone call would have been entirely sufficient.

 

I don't have a blind hatred of the Sun. I dismiss it as a comic, so scorn or disdain might be more appropriate. It certainly isn't what anybody would call a serious newspaper.

[JackanorySFC]

Well, you have this information from a source that you trust and I remain sceptical that Cortese would physically go all the way to London and spend 3 hours with some journo, when a telephone call would have been entirely sufficient.

 

I don't have a blind hatred of the Sun. I dismiss it as a comic, so scorn or disdain might be more appropriate. It certainly isn't what anybody would call a serious newspaper.

 

Ha, Dunn won't sort something like that over the phone, we need to accept NC is pretty insignificant to News Int' and he needed to excorcise some serious deplomacy - which to his credit he did. Cortese needed to make a gesture and head up. This is all 100% true, his (and his driver's) name(s) is/ are entered into the reception log at NI and he was given a tour of the newsroom in front of 100+ journos - hardly discreet and certainly not a secret. The discussions were all "off the record" though, so apart from NC agreeing to lift the ridiculous photographer ban there's no more I can say. If you still don't believe me I'm happy for admin here to email me and I can mention names and times which they can double check and confirm their credibility to you.

 

It's read by more "influencial" people than any other newspaper in Britain though? Just because you don't read it doesn't alter the fact that 8m people do every day and 2.6m of those are ABC1 demographic - no other newspaper comes close to that (except the Mail on the ABC1 count). This is all fact - not opinion. I would also say their Help for Heroes campaign, for example, is a very serious issue that most sane people wouldn't dismiss as that of a comic.

[David Strover]

It is a comic that tries to mould opinion rather report it - and there are a lot more than 8 million complete idiots in this country.

[JRM]

It is a comic that tries to mould opinion rather report it - and there are a lot more than 8 million complete idiots in this country.

 

Cortese still made the effort to visit them though.

[master]

Ha, Dunn won't sort something like that over the phone, we need to accept NC is pretty insignificant to News Int' and he needed to excorcise some serious deplomacy - which to his credit he did. Cortese needed to make a gesture and head up. This is all 100% true, his (and his driver's) name(s) is/ are entered into the reception log at NI and he was given a tour of the newsroom in front of 100+ journos - hardly discreet and certainly not a secret. The discussions were all "off the record" though, so apart from NC agreeing to lift the ridiculous photographer ban there's no more I can say. If you still don't believe me I'm happy for admin here to email me and I can mention names and times which they can double check and confirm their credibility to you.

 

It's read by more "influencial" people than any other newspaper in Britain though? Just because you don't read it doesn't alter the fact that 8m people do every day and 2.6m of those are ABC1 demographic - no other newspaper comes close to that (except the Mail on the ABC1 count). This is all fact - not opinion. I would also say their Help for Heroes campaign, for example, is a very serious issue that most sane people wouldn't dismiss as that of a comic.

 

 

I agree. You can't knock the sales record of The Sun, and I would say Cortese would have to go there to smooth things over. After all, didn't he ban all press from St Mary's? After that any invite down to "discus things" would be met with a certain NO.

 

The Sun have bigger fish to fry, so he would have to go to them.

[dune]

It is a comic that tries to mould opinion rather report it - and there are a lot more than 8 million complete idiots in this country.

 

I think you're wrong on that. The Right-Wing/Left-Wing press are far more rigid in their attempts to mould opinion. The Sun are more like Pirates/Privateers that jump on the bandwagon once they sniff it's what people are thinking and then they tell them what they want to hear. They are clearly right-wing in truth though as are the bulk of British people.

[John B]

Seems so

 

http://blogs.loughboroughecho.net/goaltastic/2010/09/photographers-back-in-the-fram.html

[JonnyLove]

The Sun's Sub Editors are the best in the industry.

 

Thank you for for making me laugh on a rather dull Friday Morning

[trousers]

Yeah I think i'm gonna give you a face palm too

 

 

It gets a bear from me

 

[Channon's Sideburns]

http://www.sportsjournalists.co.uk/accreditation-details/southampton-end-ban-on-echo-and-photographers/

[Topcat]

Can someone please explain what was the rationale for the ban in the first place? As an action that devalues the value of sponsorships and ground advertising it does seem to have been just about the stupidest commercial decision on image rights that I have come across.

[JRM]

http://www.sportsjournalists.co.uk/accreditation-details/southampton-end-ban-on-echo-and-photographers/

 

oh dear, with pictures of our fans looking like kids from a special school i think we should go back to having photographers banned again.

[Turkish]

oh dear, with pictures of our fans looking like kids from a special school i think we should go back to having photographers banned again.

 

:lol::lol::lol:

[OldNick]

it makes me laugh all the snobs who sneer at the Sun Mail etc, what makes people arrogantly believe what is right and wrong to read. They are the market leaders and wipe the floor with the opposition. The Guardian etc is fine if you are looking for a job in the civil service but if it wasnt for those (situations vacant, government) revenues I doubt it would survive.

I don't take any newspapers but if i did it would be one of those 2 or the Times, as i like its format.

As for NC visiting NI fair play,they obviously want to build bridges enough to show him around.

[aintforever]

That lasted long then! LOL

[Redondo Saint]

Can someone please explain what was the rationale for the ban in the first place? As an action that devalues the value of sponsorships and ground advertising it does seem to have been just about the stupidest commercial decision on image rights that I have come across.

 

The plan was to have all commercial photos taken by a SFC agency and then released by the club to the media. Thus collecting additional revenue and selecting which pics would be released.

Local newspapers complained and this lead to the nationals jumping on the wagon - I am sure the Echo's editor had a hand in **** stirring due to his fall-out with NC.

 

Unfortunately this idea may work in other entertainment areas but not in football and NC was very badly advised.

 

 

That's my take on the episode.

[saintjay77]

I may be wrong but I believe the photographers are still banned right? So it would be the paper that has U-Turned. Maybe NC explained the rational behind the way we do things now and the paper thought it was fair enough?

[Gemmel]

I may be wrong but I believe the photographers are still banned right? Wrong So it would be the paper that has U-Turned. LOL Maybe NC explained the rational behind the way we do things now and the paper thought it was fair enough? LOL x 100

 

Sorry Saintjay

[Thedelldays]

Didn't NC say at the dinner thing that the pappers were still banned

[Verbal]

it makes me laugh all the snobs who sneer at the Sun Mail etc, what makes people arrogantly believe what is right and wrong to read. They are the market leaders and wipe the floor with the opposition. The Guardian etc is fine if you are looking for a job in the civil service but if it wasnt for those (situations vacant, government) revenues I doubt it would survive.

I don't take any newspapers but if i did it would be one of those 2 or the Times, as i like its format.

As for NC visiting NI fair play,they obviously want to build bridges enough to show him around.

 

The Mail doesn't 'wipe the floor' with the Guardian. They cater to different markets. The Mail is for angry dumbasses and The Guardian for happy, enlightened folk - speaking somewhat broadly. Unfortunately there are more of the former than the latter.

 

Both are of the same mind, however, about Cortese's weird ban.

[Deano6]

The plan was to have all commercial photos taken by a SFC agency and then released by the club to the media. Thus collecting additional revenue and selecting which pics would be released.

Local newspapers complained and this lead to the nationals jumping on the wagon - I am sure the Echo's editor had a hand in **** stirring due to his fall-out with NC.

 

Unfortunately this idea may work in other entertainment areas but not in football and NC was very badly advised.

 

 

That's my take on the episode.

 

Nutshell.

[Gemmel]

Didn't NC say at the dinner thing that the pappers were still banned

 

Yes, but the press are reporting,he has lifted it.