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The injury became apparent during pre-season. The club sought medical advise, they advised that they could do exploratory surgery on the knee - which would be 4 weeks out, and if a problem is found he'd be out for a min. of 6 weeks.

 

The doctors advised the club to ease him through, play him in the games and take him back to the doc if he breaks down. Which he did against rovers.

 

The club we only acting on the advise of third-party medics, the blame can't be put on their doorstep for this one IMO.

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The injury became apparent during pre-season. The club sought medical advise, they advised that they could do exploratory surgery on the knee - which would be 4 weeks out, and if a problem is found he'd be out for a min. of 6 weeks.

 

The doctors advised the club to ease him through, play him in the games and take him back to the doc if he breaks down. Which he did against rovers.

 

The club we only acting on the advise of third-party medics, the blame can't be put on their doorstep for this one IMO.

 

Assume we kept the receipt from the medics for a refund....?

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The injury became apparent during pre-season. The club sought medical advise, they advised that they could do exploratory surgery on the knee - which would be 4 weeks out, and if a problem is found he'd be out for a min. of 6 weeks.

 

The doctors advised the club to ease him through, play him in the games and take him back to the doc if he breaks down. Which he did against rovers.

 

The club we only acting on the advise of third-party medics, the blame can't be put on their doorstep for this one IMO.

 

AP tried to get medical staff changed from last october onwards. had new physio in place, ex wimbledon/west ham 20yrs premier league experience. cortese met him ,took instant dislike to him and refused to take him on. this is his perogative as chairman but just shows how soon he was prepared not to let the manager manage. AP wasnt happy with the medical/sports science level of experience. This has led us to where we are now, Ads out,Lambert nowhere near fit,,many of the squad had interrupted pre season but by this time all medical /physio came under the Les read umbrella and were not directly answerable to AP. absolutely not the way to run a football club. finally got a new physio after orient game but damage was done. Cortese meddling and thoroughly inept, he is now all powerful and totally unnacountable,adding this to his total lack of football based business knowledge and we are flying by the seat of our pants !!!!

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Adam Lallana was back running at the training ground on Friday.

 

Back running?

 

That can be dangerous sometimes as you never know what's behind you.

 

This is true, I knew someone who could run backwards faster than I could run forward and you are talking 14 seconds for the 100m.

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AP tried to get medical staff changed from last october onwards. had new physio in place, ex wimbledon/west ham 20yrs premier league experience. cortese met him ,took instant dislike to him and refused to take him on. this is his perogative as chairman but just shows how soon he was prepared not to let the manager manage. AP wasnt happy with the medical/sports science level of experience. This has led us to where we are now, Ads out,Lambert nowhere near fit,,many of the squad had interrupted pre season but by this time all medical /physio came under the Les read umbrella and were not directly answerable to AP. absolutely not the way to run a football club. finally got a new physio after orient game but damage was done. Cortese meddling and thoroughly inept, he is now all powerful and totally unnacountable,adding this to his total lack of football based business knowledge and we are flying by the seat of our pants !!!!

 

There was a ManU program on Fergie a while back with a similar situation, same sort of medical advice. Guess what, he told them to get the can opener out and get in there now for a look. He never seemed to mind if the player had a limp on holiday, whether it was justified or not. It's as if a manager had never come across injuries and their impacts before! That was a really dumb move.

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Adam Lallana was back running at the training ground on Friday.

 

Doesn't mean much really.

 

I currently don't have an ACL and can run on it with zero side effects whatsoever, phase in a little twisting and turning and i will probably end up in a heap somewhere.

 

Also, i have surgery in 2 weeks, a month - 6 weeks after surgery i can cycle, swim etc and probably start running between 2-3 months after, i will still however be banned from sports for 6 months which shows you the difference between knee injuries and other injuries.

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The injury became apparent during pre-season. The club sought medical advise, they advised that they could do exploratory surgery on the knee - which would be 4 weeks out, and if a problem is found he'd be out for a min. of 6 weeks.

 

The doctors advised the club to ease him through, play him in the games and take him back to the doc if he breaks down. Which he did against rovers.

 

The club we only acting on the advise of third-party medics, the blame can't be put on their doorstep for this one IMO.

 

The annoying thing about this is that if the injury became apparent in pre-season it was never going to go away all by itself,and playing on it would just make it worse. Therefore the sensible thing to do would have been to get it sorted immeadietly, and arrange a decent cover on short term loan for a couple of months. He probably would have been fully recovered and back in the team by now.

 

Unfortunately this is Southampton FC and often the sensible thing to do often goes out the window.

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Glad to see so many posters appear to know more about this than the medical experts who reviewed pre season, looked at it again after he broke down against Bristol Rovers and operated an hour into the consultation, reported the op was a complete success and no reason why Adam cannot be playing again within 6 - 8 weeks. Yes he is on schedule at present. S-Clarke's information was correct.

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Glad to see so many posters appear to know more about this than the medical experts who reviewed pre season, looked at it again after he broke down against Bristol Rovers and operated an hour into the consultation, reported the op was a complete success and no reason why Adam cannot be playing again within 6 - 8 weeks. Yes he is on schedule at present. S-Clarke's information was correct.

 

Who is arguing with the medical experts? I can't remember Lallana kicking a ball pre season, sure he never played in Switzerland, so we are talking about something known about way before the start of the season. It would not surprise me if this even goes back to last season.

 

Anyone with just minimal common sense can take that medical advice and say it's a no brainer to have the exploratory done immediately, no disruption if nothing is wrong. That puts him in line to start the season, if more surgery is required then he loses 2-4 weeks, rather than 6-8 weeks out of the squad.

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Who is arguing with the medical experts? I can't remember Lallana kicking a ball pre season, sure he never played in Switzerland, so we are talking about something known about way before the start of the season. It would not surprise me if this even goes back to last season.

 

Anyone with just minimal common sense can take that medical advice and say it's a no brainer to have the exploratory done immediately, no disruption if nothing is wrong. That puts him in line to start the season, if more surgery is required then he loses 2-4 weeks, rather than 6-8 weeks out of the squad.

I respect a lot of what you have to say on this forum but believe me I know what I am talking about with Adam. He was fine last season, it started in pre season but until pre Plymouth it was thought it would clear. It was precautionary to give him time to recover before the season started, not a major issue.

 

The operation was a general clear out of the knee as they were in there anyway. The real issue was scar tissue causing a build up of blood and not seen on a scan. The scar tissue has been sorted. As with any player continuing with an injury the body compensates. It is a case of sorting that out as part of the rehabilitation.

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AP tried to get medical staff changed from last october onwards. had new physio in place, ex wimbledon/west ham 20yrs premier league experience. cortese met him ,took instant dislike to him and refused to take him on. this is his perogative as chairman but just shows how soon he was prepared not to let the manager manage. AP wasnt happy with the medical/sports science level of experience. This has led us to where we are now, Ads out,Lambert nowhere near fit,,many of the squad had interrupted pre season but by this time all medical /physio came under the Les read umbrella and were not directly answerable to AP. absolutely not the way to run a football club. finally got a new physio after orient game but damage was done. Cortese meddling and thoroughly inept, he is now all powerful and totally unnacountable,adding this to his total lack of football based business knowledge and we are flying by the seat of our pants !!!!

 

Has LEs Reed screwed your wife or soemthing as you seem really bitter towards everything he has done. Add to that you add no weight of evidence to your claims about what is going on. Care to elaborate on all your claims?

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AP tried to get medical staff changed from last october onwards. had new physio in place, ex wimbledon/west ham 20yrs premier league experience. cortese met him ,took instant dislike to him and refused to take him on. this is his perogative as chairman but just shows how soon he was prepared not to let the manager manage. AP wasnt happy with the medical/sports science level of experience. This has led us to where we are now, Ads out,Lambert nowhere near fit,,many of the squad had interrupted pre season but by this time all medical /physio came under the Les read umbrella and were not directly answerable to AP. absolutely not the way to run a football club. finally got a new physio after orient game but damage was done. Cortese meddling and thoroughly inept, he is now all powerful and totally unnacountable,adding this to his total lack of football based business knowledge and we are flying by the seat of our pants !!!!

 

Odd then that Adkins has gone out of his way to praise the outstanding medical, physio and conditioning team. Maybe, just maybe, it was AP in the wrong. Who'd have thunk it?

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I respect a lot of what you have to say on this forum but believe me I know what I am talking about with Adam. He was fine last season, it started in pre season but until pre Plymouth it was thought it would clear. It was precautionary to give him time to recover before the season started, not a major issue.

 

The operation was a general clear out of the knee as they were in there anyway. The real issue was scar tissue causing a build up of blood and not seen on a scan. The scar tissue has been sorted. As with any player continuing with an injury the body compensates. It is a case of sorting that out as part of the rehabilitation.

 

This is not that unusual for the scan to fail to identify the problem, that's why having an exploratory at that time would still make sense. My original point to all of this was that the decision was given to let the body try and heal itself with rest and physio, fair enough. But I am having difficulty in understanding why he played 90 minutes of a meaningless cup game in midweek, only to break down a few days later in the league. I am not disputing any of the information you have put up, what I am discussing is the best use of that information! It may well be that there would be no difference in this particular example, but no one knew that for sure at the time. I cannot see over loading the knee to the maximum at that stage as a cohesive plan, given the original direction taken.

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After the last game of last season, we should have sent the whole squad to have their knees done.

 

They wouldn't have come out from pre-season training any less fit, the fat, lazy b*stards.

 

First half good, second half crap. Little bit of a pattern there. Am glad Pardew has gone if that's the fittest he could have got them. Onwards and upwards with Adkins.

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if we go up he'll stay. If we don't he won't. That's how I see it panning out, but there's people on here beter placed to predict that.

 

I imagine he will be thinking along those lines, I know I would be. He is clearly too good for League 1, so nobody would blame him if he wants to leave next year if we don't win promotion.

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