Schneiderlin

[Smirking_Saint]

Whats everyones thoughts on him ?? I know some rate him highly and some do not.

 

The way i see it, is that Schneiderlin is one of the most technically gifted members of the squad, his passing and subtle touches are streets ahead than 95% of the rest of league one and IMO he is also up there with the better players in the championship.

 

But you have to watch him, and understand his subtleties, if i was lucky enough to grace a pitch with him in attacking positions i would be living a dream. His vision is outstanding and far exceeds pretty much every saints player i have seen easily within the last 3-4 years so far. If anyone he reminds me of Anders. Some may laugh at that, my some may see my point as in my mind Anders was another player, who was better than what we had but woefully played out of position.

 

The boy has something, his passing, even watching the highlights of midweek is second to none, his movement into space, his ghosting into space, making space, finding passes. He is better than the team we have now, the problem comes into fitting him in. It is clear to me now, especially under Adkins that he does not fit the system. 4-5-1 suited him as it allowed a player in front of him, a player helping him shield and allowed him to pick the passes out and set the tempo. In 4-4-2 he cannot orchestrate as well as he is able as his other midfielder bombs on leaving him to try to defend as well as dictate play.

 

Which leaves a bit of a dilemma, do we find space for him ?? Do we change the favoured (and probably working) formation ? Do we sell ??

 

I don't know, personally i don't want to lose a player of his quality, and i honestly think he will be a top level player in some league in the near(ish) future. But looking at the way we are playing i don't think he suits the squad. Is he a bad player ? No far from it, but he doesn't fit for me any more, and there is a difference there.

 

I just wondered really what other peoples views on the whole situation are.

[MarkSFC]

I like him, technically good, well he is French!!! Not sure he knows whether he should be the holding midfielder or the attacking midfielder! Not sure he's a good enough/string enough tackler to be the former and definitely doesn't create or score enough to be the latter!!

 

Hopefully Adkins has decided he's the holding type and will help him in that!

 

Certainly don't want to lose him!

[sfc1971]

Is it a coincidence that we seem to win/score more without him, We were relegated when he played in almost every game of the season.

 

He looks the part i.e easy on the eye but is his sideways/backward passing any use to us.

 

Why oh why will he always shoot from 20+ yds and miss time after time, 2 goals in almost 3yrs.

 

He frustrates me and I would rather have Chaplow over him any day.

 

Thats my personal opinion.

[benjii]

"vision", seriously? You must be easily impressed by predictable and formulaic cross-field balls to the opposition full-back.

[Lighthouse]

He reminds me a lot of Safri. Technically excellent, but I often wonder if he really does enough. As MarkSFC said, he doesn't seem to really fit the bill in either an attacking or defensive role, meaning it's quite hard to get the balance right in the middle. I think he could cut it in the Championship, but very much doubt any Premier League sides are interested in him.

[Smirking_Saint]

He reminds me a lot of Safri. Technically excellent, but I often wonder if he really does enough. As MarkSFC said, he doesn't seem to really fit the bill in either an attacking or defensive role, meaning it's quite hard to get the balance right in the middle. I think he could cut it in the Championship, but very much doubt any Premier League sides are interested in him.

 

I am sort of with you, in respect that i am not sure where he would fit in within a standard line up. He is good defensively, and good in a more advanced role IMO but doesn't really excite in either. He doesn't have the energy to really push box to box and is not aggressive enough to really hold in a deep position. What he does to however is set the tone and orchestrate the team. As i said, IMO he doesn't fit our system, this doesn't make him a bad player, but does make you wonder if it is worth accepting a decent offer and buying a player that does fit it.

 

 

Benji as for vision, yeah, i am serious. Some times it is very subtle, but his passing is sublime, and no, its not all about playing the long cross field ball that is fantastic when it comes off BTW. He notices movement around him, often outside his field of vision, which IMO is the sign of a good player who can settle on the ball and look around.

[Saint Garrett]

The only player I think he's like is Carrick, but obviously not as good.

[Big John]

a 2 game run in the first team with the clause that if he keeeps bottling it he's out of the door.

 

needs to step up to the plate imho. this ain't gonna get any easier morgan

[scott_saints]

Schneiderlin= A very good defensive midfeilder, but can't tackle.

Chaplow= A good defensive midfielder that CAN tackle.

Schneiderlin= A very good attacking midfieldier, but can't "get forward" enough.

Chaplow= A good attacking midfielder that CAN "get forward".

 

It's hard to explain, but like people have said, he doesn't really fit into any system whereas Chaplow can cover both. Considering we are in league 1, I'd rather be playing Chaplow despite the fact Morgan is more gifted.

[Saint_Jonny]

Is it a coincidence that we seem to win/score more without him, We were relegated when he played in almost every game of the season.

 

He looks the part i.e easy on the eye but is his sideways/backward passing any use to us.

 

Why oh why will he always shoot from 20+ yds and miss time after time, 2 goals in almost 3yrs.

 

He frustrates me and I would rather have Chaplow over him any day.

 

Thats my personal opinion.

 

 

you are so wrong its almost untrue. He is the exact opposite of what you described. if it were me id ditch hammond and have morgan and chaplow in midfield. Far more creative a pair.

[doddisalegend]

We saw the best from Morgan last season when we played 4-5-1 with Wotton doing the defensive work, in a 4-4-2 Morgan always looks poorer. I don't go with the idea Morgan bottles tackles at all, he picks up far two many yellow cards for someone who doesn't like a bit of rough and tumble the cards do tell you he needs to time his challenges better though. I'm of the opinion that Morgan wants out anyway, leftback (make what you will of that) posted somewhere that Morgan wanted to go in the summer but AP convinced him to stay one more season with certain promises of course then AP was out the door.

[Thedelldays]

Ironically

He would probably be more suited in brightons team than ours

[SaintRichmond]

Whats everyones thoughts on him ?? I know some rate him highly and some do not.

 

The way i see it, is that Schneiderlin is one of the most technically gifted members of the squad, his passing and subtle touches are streets ahead than 95% of the rest of league one and IMO he is also up there with the better players in the championship.

 

But you have to watch him, and understand his subtleties, if i was lucky enough to grace a pitch with him in attacking positions i would be living a dream. His vision is outstanding and far exceeds pretty much every saints player i have seen easily within the last 3-4 years so far. If anyone he reminds me of Anders. Some may laugh at that, my some may see my point as in my mind Anders was another player, who was better than what we had but woefully played out of position.

 

The boy has something, his passing, even watching the highlights of midweek is second to none, his movement into space, his ghosting into space, making space, finding passes. He is better than the team we have now, the problem comes into fitting him in. It is clear to me now, especially under Adkins that he does not fit the system. 4-5-1 suited him as it allowed a player in front of him, a player helping him shield and allowed him to pick the passes out and set the tempo. In 4-4-2 he cannot orchestrate as well as he is able as his other midfielder bombs on leaving him to try to defend as well as dictate play.

 

Which leaves a bit of a dilemma, do we find space for him ?? Do we change the favoured (and probably working) formation ? Do we sell ??

 

I don't know, personally i don't want to lose a player of his quality, and i honestly think he will be a top level player in some league in the near(ish) future. But looking at the way we are playing i don't think he suits the squad. Is he a bad player ? No far from it, but he doesn't fit for me any more, and there is a difference there.

 

I just wondered really what other peoples views on the whole situation are.

 

IMHO, he will be first out of the door in January

 

He wants a Higher grade of Football, and, more importantly, so does the French F.A

 

End Of

[alpine_saint]

Is it a coincidence that we seem to win/score more without him, We were relegated when he played in almost every game of the season.

 

He looks the part i.e easy on the eye but is his sideways/backward passing any use to us.

 

Why oh why will he always shoot from 20+ yds and miss time after time, 2 goals in almost 3yrs.

 

He frustrates me and I would rather have Chaplow over him any day.

 

Thats my personal opinion.

 

I keep switching my opinion back and forth on him, he is that frustrating. At the moment, I agree with you, Chaplow brings more to the team.

 

He is definitely another Anders Svensson or Matt Oakley. He has something, but the way we play doesnt particularly bring out the best in him or use him the right way, but at the same time they are not good enough to build the team around.

[georgeweahscousin]

I agree that we are more effective with Hammond and Chaplow.

 

But.

 

Morgan gets in the French U-21 side and that speaks volumes. I genuinely think he would be a lot better in a higher level of football. Technically he is probably our best player, but that isn't always the best attribute at this level.

[Dalek2003]

Perhaps a good player but not suited to League 1 type football.

[Legod Third Coming]

It's no coincidence that we won more games with him in the team than without last year. But last year we had a system that worked well with him in it.

[corky morris]

Schneiderlin= A very good defensive midfeilder, but can't tackle.

Chaplow= A good defensive midfielder that CAN tackle.

Schneiderlin= A very good attacking midfieldier, but can't "get forward" enough.

Chaplow= A good attacking midfielder that CAN "get forward".

 

It's hard to explain, but like people have said, he doesn't really fit into any system whereas Chaplow can cover both. Considering we are in league 1, I'd rather be playing Chaplow despite the fact

 

Morgan is more gifted.

 

Morgan = Someone who can pass the ball to a fellow team mate

Chaplow = Someone who regularly does the hard bit in winning the ball back & fails to find a team mate.

 

I have many Preston fans as clients who criticise Chaplow for exactly the same reasons some of you criticise Morgan...........They cant wait to get rid of him. Even the other night NA played Morgan as the most offensive of the 2 in midfield which is not where he plays for France or ever did for Saints under AP.

 

Maybe NA is setting him up to fail?

[jimmysaint7]

I don't rate him at all. We are so much better with chaplow in the side and that showed against brighton.I also don't believe in this theory that he is not suited to this league and would be better up the leagues.he played in the championship and was poor,I no the whole team was but he never stood out above the rest.I would say if you can't play in this league you won't ever amount to much.

[moon monkey]

Schneiderlin, has a great pass on him, a great technical player but he is the loose cannon in the side. He will be the man who will concede free kicks in dangerous areas and the more likely player in the side to get sent off. I would select Chaplow ahead of him at the moment.

[Weston Saint]

They say statistics do not show the whole picture but the undernoted provides a decent picture of Schneiderlin's ineffective central midfield role.

 

Figures are based on league only since start of 2008/9 season (2 years plus this season so far)

 

Appearances as starting in the lineup - 72

Goals - 1

Assists - 3

Shots on - 21

Shots off - 38

Hit woodwork - 1

Fouls - 121

Yellow cards - 16

Red - 1

 

Not worth his place particularly when you realise that Hammond is mostly providing the holding midfield role.

 

This is why I have come to the conclusion he is a luxury we can no longer afford. Let him go back to France in the new year. English football just does not suit his style or temperament

[Thedelldays]

They say statistics do not show the whole picture but the undernoted provides a decent picture of Schneiderlin's ineffective central midfield role.

 

Figures are based on league only since start of 2008/9 season (2 years plus this season so far)

 

Appearances as starting in the lineup - 72

Goals - 1

Assists - 3

Shots on - 21

Shots off - 38

Hit woodwork - 1

Fouls - 121

Yellow cards - 16

Red - 1

 

Not worth his place particularly when you realise that Hammond is mostly providing the holding midfield role.

 

This is why I have come to the conclusion he is a luxury we can no longer afford. Let him go back to France in the new year. English football just does not suit his style or temperament

interesting stats...and they cant hide the fact he is frustrating

 

I think (sadly) you are right...he is not really suited to english league 1/CCC...

 

I should imagine he will return to france by the summer and will probably do quite well for a good french team...and good luck to him

 

such a shame as he had/has alot of potential

[scott_saints]

1 goal in 72? We wouldn't miss him if he went.

[paulwantsapint]

We would definitely miss Morgan if he went but if we could get more than the 1million we paid for him that would mean a couple of championship quality players or space for a kid to get 1st team action

[Graffito]

It would be interesting to compare and contrast with how he plays for France. I imagine France Under 21's play a much more fluid system than the 442 we tend to play. His technical ability is obvious but he gives the impression of playing within himself. I like watching him play and I believe you need a continuity type player in any midfield. In a way it's up to the management team to make the most of his technical ability, all assuming he wants to stay of course.

[saint_mears]

A very poor player akin to the schit anders svensson.

[spyinthesky]

Looked the real deal when he first arrived and initially thrived under the Dutch regime

 

However he often tends to go for the eye catching long ball when something shorter would suffice.

 

He is not particularly quick and doesn't get goals (albeit from a defensive midfield position)

 

If we were able to get a decent fee for him I think the money could wisely be invested in more suitable players for our current position.

 

That said he certainly wouldn't be high up my list of player to lose

[VectisSaint]

interesting stats...and they cant hide the fact he is frustrating

 

I think (sadly) you are right...he is not really suited to english league 1/CCC...

 

I should imagine he will return to france by the summer and will probably do quite well for a good french team...and good luck to him

 

such a shame as he had/has alot of potential

One very important missing stat:

Age 21 + 3 weeks

 

Morgan is just getting to the age where a decent midfielder starts to come into his prime. We will regret forever letting him go. I think people forget how young he is, like centre halves CMs need experience and maturity before they become the finished article. Sure wingers such as Oxo can blossom at 16/17, and full backs to, but CM, CB and GK are not usually for kids. Really his only fault is his temperament, silly niggly fouls that get unneccessary bookings, but not so worrying now we have 3 decent CMs.

[SuperMikey]

I really rate him, think he's an excellent player. He's getting stick now because he's not suited to the L1 style of football. He will thrive at the next level if we get promotion this season, and we'd regret letting him go.

However, i'm not sure he'll want to stay playing third tier football for that much longer considering there are bound to be clubs in top European leagues looking at him, being in the French U21 squad.

[up and away]

Technically gifted, but you really have to ask yourself what he contributes. His passing skills are goog, but over all the time he has been with us, have produced next to nothing in goals or assists. Defensively he does not bust a gut to get the right side to be of use and will cost goals because of this. Has improved his tackling but can't let his emotions get him carried away into the hand bags.

 

He's one of those players who shows plenty of promise, never really delivers and you are eternally waiting for him to make the break through.

[Smirking_Saint]

Technically gifted, but you really have to ask yourself what he contributes. His passing skills are goog, but over all the time he has been with us, have produced next to nothing in goals or assists. Defensively he does not bust a gut to get the right side to be of use and will cost goals because of this. Has improved his tackling but can't let his emotions get him carried away into the hand bags.

 

He's one of those players who shows plenty of promise, never really delivers and you are eternally waiting for him to make the break through.

 

Unfortunately its not all about assists or goals, i think when he plays he does start a lot of attacks and is a good link between the defence and attack however i agree when he plays we miss that hassling and destructive midfielder that we get in Chaplow.

 

It is a shame, if we can keep him i definately would however i don't think he fits the system and i reckon he wants out.

 

As for the French team, i have seen him play and he looks a completely different player.

[Chez]

He is a terrific player. He has Scholes-like abilities in terms of technique on the ball. He's still learning the game and we should do everything in our powers to keep him at the club. A few poor games does not make him a poor player. Hopefully five year deals have been put under his nose.

[up and away]

Unfortunately its not all about assists or goals, i think when he plays he does start a lot of attacks and is a good link between the defence and attack however i agree when he plays we miss that hassling and destructive midfielder that we get in Chaplow.

 

It is a shame, if we can keep him i definately would however i don't think he fits the system and i reckon he wants out.

 

As for the French team, i have seen him play and he looks a completely different player.

 

You seem to have summed him up perfectly, a good link between defence and attack. With the added caveat that he produces minimal assists / goals and defensively suspect.

[Smirking_Saint]

He is a terrific player. He has Scholes-like abilities in terms of technique on the ball. He's still learning the game and we should do everything in our powers to keep him at the club. A few poor games does not make him a poor player. Hopefully five year deals have been put under his nose.

 

I saw a bit of Scholes in him, in the way that he has terrific vision and great ball control. I wasn't going to say it though, you know what people are like on here at times !

[Scudamore]

IMHO, he will be first out of the door in January

 

He wants a Higher grade of Football, and, more importantly, so does the French F.A

 

End Of

 

End of what?

[dellgirl]

There are only three people in my humble opinion that would take us through to the prem and Morgan is one of them. I fear that finesse is not a word in Adkins vocablary and he will encourage cloggers to get him out of this league and keep his job. For a young player, I like the originator of this thread, have enjoyed Morgans vision ,skill and undoubted talent and we will be the poorer if he is sidelined until his spirit is crushed and he goes.

[captainchris]

Schneiderlin= A very good defensive midfeilder, but can't tackle.

Chaplow= A good defensive midfielder that CAN tackle.

Schneiderlin= A very good attacking midfieldier, but can't "get forward" enough.

Chaplow= A good attacking midfielder that CAN "get forward".

 

It's hard to explain, but like people have said, he doesn't really fit into any system whereas Chaplow can cover both. Considering we are in league 1, I'd rather be playing Chaplow despite the fact Morgan is more gifted.

 

Agree with this summing up. Scheiderlin doesn't play with enough energy - in truth, slightly lazy. Some nice looking passes but he rarely affects a game materially. Successful teams now need to play with such an ability to get box to box and MS does not do this.

My summing up - expensive luxury that doesn't contribute enough at the business ends of the pitch......

[Scudamore]

The emperor's new clothes...

[captainchris]

interesting stats...and they cant hide the fact he is frustrating

 

I think (sadly) you are right...he is not really suited to english league 1/CCC...

 

I should imagine he will return to france by the summer and will probably do quite well for a good french team...and good luck to him

 

such a shame as he had/has alot of potential

 

I doubt your wisdom somehow.............I goal and 3 assists in 72 games.....This won't change a lot by changing the nationality of the grass!

[VectisSaint]

I fear that finesse is not a word in Adkins vocablary and he will encourage cloggers to get him out of this league and keep his job.

I think you completely misunderstand NA if you think he will encourage cloggers. It is exactly cloggers that NA would have no time for, his style is very much players with ability on the ball, a quick passing game. But like you Morgan is one of the few players we have who would cut it in the Prem, if we can keep him that long. He did join on a 4 year contract, so is with us until end of next season at least unless we decide to sell.

[Chez]

They say statistics do not show the whole picture but the undernoted provides a decent picture of Schneiderlin's ineffective central midfield role.

 

Figures are based on league only since start of 2008/9 season (2 years plus this season so far)

 

Appearances as starting in the lineup - 72

Goals - 1

Assists - 3

Shots on - 21

Shots off - 38

Hit woodwork - 1

Fouls - 121

Yellow cards - 16

Red - 1

 

Not worth his place particularly when you realise that Hammond is mostly providing the holding midfield role.

 

This is why I have come to the conclusion he is a luxury we can no longer afford. Let him go back to France in the new year. English football just does not suit his style or temperament

 

The day I let stats like those determine whether a midfielder is decent or not us the day I give up watching football. Were Safri's stats any good, I doubt it, but I'd happily have him in my side. Were Makalale's stats any good? Of course not. The game is not just about stats.

[Weston Saint]

The day I let stats like those determine whether a midfielder is decent or not us the day I give up watching football. Were Safri's stats any good, I doubt it, but I'd happily have him in my side. Were Makalale's stats any good? Of course not. The game is not just about stats.

No it is about effectiveness and Schneiderlin has so far been ineffective in my opinion, the stats just back up my thoughts.

[CWD]

He is class. Out of form, but still class. His through ball for Lallana against Brighton was stunning if anyone saw it. Pure genius, we need to keep him until we get to the prem

[Smirking_Saint]

No it is about effectiveness and Schneiderlin has so far been ineffective in my opinion, the stats just back up my thoughts.

 

Effectiveness is not all about goals scored and assists, it is about what you bring to the team

[sandwichsaint]

Morgan is the same age as Bale and Walcott b1989- make of that what you will but I doubt the other two would struggle in the third division!

[Window Cleaner]

When he got injured towards the end of last season AP described it as a "massive blow, we've effectively lost our best player"

Why that has all changed I just couldn't say but dropping him when he came back from duty with what is a major U21 side didn't help.

[Thedelldays]

I wonder if pardew would have played morgan as much last season IF we had chaplow then..?

[Window Cleaner]

Morgan is the same age as Bale and Walcott b1989- make of that what you will but I doubt the other two would struggle in the third division!

 

But they never had to, that's the thing, when you're doing a job you hate because it's not up to your level of ability it's very depressing. Try being a burger vendor sometime, especially if you've got a Uni degree and saw yourself as a brain surgeon.

[corky morris]

No it is about effectiveness and Schneiderlin has so far been ineffective in my opinion, the stats just back up my thoughts.

 

What is his pass completion percentage compared to any other player in the side then Weston?

 

He is always available to receive the ball in places where all our other players struggle to maintain composure.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

He might be just 21, but the really good players do the business at that age. As people have said he's not a great defensive midfielder nor is he effective in supporting the front man/men or getting beyond them, can't shoot, his heading is poor, and his tackling erratic.

In some teams, especially in leagues that allow players lots of time on the ball, he might look good, but if it isn't what we need to get out of L1, he ain't gonna hang around waiting for our team to be shaped to suit him in higher divisions.

 

It would be better both for us and for him to go - somewhere where the pace of the game suits him more.