Gemmel Posted 11 December, 2010 Share Posted 11 December, 2010 Pardew was this Pardew was that.... Adkins always has a plan B. Really? Adkins was a rabbit in the headlights today. Very unimpressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 11 December, 2010 Share Posted 11 December, 2010 Plan B? I think that was to move Oxo to loan striker for 20mins at 2-0 down and then bring on Conolloy for 10 minutes. Luckily Nigels teams like to get the ball down on the ground and place fast passing football as was seen at todays match....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 11 December, 2010 Share Posted 11 December, 2010 Plan A was 442 with lack of movement and didn't work. Plan B was Chamberlain upfront on the shoulder of the last man, Lambert playing deeper, Guly and Lallana on the wing and Hammond making runs/Schneiderlin in a holding role and it didn't work. Plan C was to bring Connolly on for 10 minutes and didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 December, 2010 Share Posted 11 December, 2010 Adkins out... Yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 11 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 11 December, 2010 Adkins out... Yeah Typical dulldays. Do one. Adkins was as poor as the players today and as equally guilty for poor performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey Posted 11 December, 2010 Share Posted 11 December, 2010 Adkins out... Yeah That's not what the op said.....he was just prompting a valid question, which believe it or not, this forum is all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 11 December, 2010 Share Posted 11 December, 2010 not as guilty, but he certainly didn't help to change things for the better today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 11 December, 2010 Share Posted 11 December, 2010 Adkins out... Yeah No not out. I'd rather he stayed and sorted it out he took a job where he new expectations were high now he has to live upto those expectations.I imagine even Nigel would admit that today was frankly crap from the manager and players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey Posted 11 December, 2010 Share Posted 11 December, 2010 Tbh from 30 mins it was obvious that we weren't 'up for it'......left after 50 mins to go to the pub quite confident that there was gonna be no improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammysaint Posted 11 December, 2010 Share Posted 11 December, 2010 Plan B signing for saints ? i know hes a good singer but not sure hes great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 December, 2010 Share Posted 11 December, 2010 Typical dulldays. Do one. Adkins was as poor as the players today and as equally guilty for poor performance. Typical gemmal is the OP.. What has pardew got to do with today ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 11 December, 2010 Share Posted 11 December, 2010 We haven't really got any options on the bench. Loaning out Puncheon and not replacing him in the window is one of the most ridiculous decisions we've made for a while. Only really points to one thing IMO, a lack of money. This whole 'plan b' thing is crap anyway, Adkins had a plan and changed it, neither of the gameplans worked. Pardew was the same, we changed our game plan plenty with him in charge it just didn't always work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 11 December, 2010 Share Posted 11 December, 2010 Typical gemmal is the OP.. What has pardew got to do with today ? I think the OP is pointing out that Pardew was slated for not having a plan B (total ******** IMO), whilst Adkins failed to offer us a plan B today, unless of course switching Chamberlian and Guly counts as a plan B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 11 December, 2010 Author Share Posted 11 December, 2010 Typical gemmal is the OP.. What has pardew got to do with today ? Go to a match and then comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 11 December, 2010 Share Posted 11 December, 2010 Plan C, bring in Strachan or Hoddle, lets get someone in who knows what they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 11 December, 2010 Share Posted 11 December, 2010 Managers have a Plan B when they win and don't when they lose. That stupid comment was levelled at Pardew by those who wanted him out and creamed their jeans at Adkins coming in. The simple fact is that both Pardew and Adkins had/have a hard job to do an if they don't win are deemed to be idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 11 December, 2010 Share Posted 11 December, 2010 Go to a match and then comment Ummm I think he did according to the post match thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 11 December, 2010 Share Posted 11 December, 2010 Someone said here that Pardew was Susan Boyle to Adkins Cherly Cole. Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 11 December, 2010 Share Posted 11 December, 2010 Just look at the options we had to change it from the bench. Connolly, Doble, Dean and Gobern. Two of them haven't even played for Saints yet, Gobern is hardly proven and Connolly... aside from that FA Cup cameo he hasn't done anything for the best part of a year now. Infact I've just checked, he scored against Walsall in last weekends fixture last season, since then he has 1 League goal. I don't get how we've signed so many players and yet are still so thin. It seems like there is a black hole sucking players in. Looking at it, he barely had a team to put out today, let alone plan B. Let's see what January brings before crucifying him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 11 December, 2010 Share Posted 11 December, 2010 Go to a match and then comment Was sat near the half way line.. The bloke beat the kid at HT to win barts signed shirt.. Am I allowed to comment now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 11 December, 2010 Share Posted 11 December, 2010 Was sat near the half way line.. The bloke beat the kid at HT to win barts signed shirt.. Am I allowed to comment now? only if you can tell me the order in which the players shirts came out in the half time game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 11 December, 2010 Share Posted 11 December, 2010 Was sat near the half way line.. The bloke beat the kid at HT to win barts signed shirt.. Am I allowed to comment now? Were you sat in the kingsland or itchen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 I think that we really struggle against any well organised side. The problem today, in my opinion, came from the spine of the team. Davis was awful, as were the CBs on the whole. The 2 CMs were far too defensive and there was no presensr up front. The fact that there was no decent plan B stems from the fact we had no decent players on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 Was sat near the half way line.. The bloke beat the kid at HT to win barts signed shirt.. Am I allowed to comment now? I am a worthy Saints fan - honest I am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 The whole team didn't look up to the fight today IMO. And yes, i don't think Adkins was able to change anything and didn't provide a suitable plan B. But what COULD he do ?? We had Connolly and Doble on the bench, two players, one who is unexperienced and another who is constantly unfit. Midfield he had Gobern and Dean. We are knackered ATM. I have a real worry about December. We failed to strengthen one way or another in January (i guess the right replacements were not there) but we were sort of doing ok. A poor run in December may force a small fortune being spent in January. Lambert is crap ATM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NN2 Saint Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 I think that we really struggle against any well organised side. The problem today' date=' in my opinion, came from the spine of the team. Davis was awful, as were the CBs on the whole. The 2 CMs were far too defensive and there was no presensr up front. The fact that there was no decent plan B stems from the fact we had no decent players on the bench.[/quote'] Agree with this although feel with Fonte, Chaplow and Barnard in the side would have been a lot different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 he did change it around but it didnt work. if every time his plan B worked he would be managing a top team by now we need to accept that we cant always come back and win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millbrook Saint Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 As far as I could tell we didn't really have anyone on the bench who could change it. Barnard would have started if not injured, meaning Guly on the bench. Chaplow would have started meaning Schneiderlin on the bench. Fonte would have started, that's 3 first team starters out. He did try and swap it around on the pitch but that didn't really work. We're definitely missing Puncheon but if he was disruptive then he had to go for the good of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IFHP Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 Just look at the options we had to change it from the bench. Connolly, Doble, Dean and Gobern. Two of them haven't even played for Saints yet, Gobern is hardly proven and Connolly... aside from that FA Cup cameo he hasn't done anything for the best part of a year now. Infact I've just checked, he scored against Walsall in last weekends fixture last season, since then he has 1 League goal. I don't get how we've signed so many players and yet are still so thin. It seems like there is a black hole sucking players in. Looking at it, he barely had a team to put out today, let alone plan B. Let's see what January brings before crucifying him. couldn't agree more. Look at the squad that Pardew had to the squad we have now. Look at the options and goals that are now missing from Pardew's squad (we wouldn't have won the Paint pot for a start). On top of that look at the form of Lambert from last season to this. Remove 20 of his goals from last season and how many points would we have got? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 Plan A was 442 with lack of movement and didn't work. Plan B was Chamberlain upfront on the shoulder of the last man, Lambert playing deeper, Guly and Lallana on the wing and Hammond making runs/Schneiderlin in a holding role and it didn't work. Plan C was to bring Connolly on for 10 minutes and didn't work. It would not have mattered whether we had Plans A to Z, the stark reality to me is that we DON'T have a SQuad to get us up, no matter what others on here say Our "atack" had no teeth, and Davis was absolute KRAP today We are now reaping the (non) benefit of NOT strengthening either at the satrt of the season or during the loan period I also think that, despite Cortese's words, we WILL see the exit of Lallana, Schneiderlin, and Maybe Oxo in January, compensated for by the Massive signings of Stars of Scu-nthorpe Yesterday was woeful IMHO, made worse (for me) when Newcastle won Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 It would not have mattered whether we had Plans A to Z, the stark reality to me is that we DON'T have a SQuad to get us up, no matter what others on here say Our "atack" had no teeth, and Davis was absolute KRAP today We are now reaping the (non) benefit of NOT strengthening either at the satrt of the season or during the loan period I also think that, despite Cortese's words, we WILL see the exit of Lallana, Schneiderlin, and Maybe Oxo in January, compensated for by the Massive signings of Stars of Scu-nthorpe Yesterday was woeful IMHO, made worse (for me) when Newcastle won I think it unlikely Lallana will go in January. First there has not been a sniff of any real transfer activity only paper guessing. Secondly Lallana is desparate to play every week. He could do that for a Championship club but not many will be able to beat what Saints will be able to afford in wages. Thirdly because he knows that his development is not complete and he will not want to be a bench warmer in the Premier. Chamberlain will not go. Again he knows he is only at the begining of his development and games in Div 1 is better that in a Premier youth/development set up. He has a good set of advisors who know he is better here for the present. Schneiderlin - no loss in my opinion. He is part of the problem, not the solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 The problems have come about because we loaned out Puncheon and failed to replace him. No one in their right mind would think Holmes is reliable enough. There simply has to be a reason why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 I think that we really struggle against any well organised side. The problem today' date=' in my opinion, came from the spine of the team. Davis was awful, as were the CBs on the whole. The 2 CMs were far too defensive and there was no presensr up front. The fact that there was no decent plan B stems from the fact we had no decent players on the bench.[/quote'] Totally agree with these comments and am concerned that we don't have the back up to prevent it happening again ! Listening to Cortese's recent interview, I got the impression that we will not be doing much wheeling and dealing in January, so my concerns grow even deeper !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 Totally agree with these comments and am concerned that we don't have the back up to prevent it happening again ! Listening to Cortese's recent interview, I got the impression that we will not be doing much wheeling and dealing in January, so my concerns grow even deeper !! As opposed to Adkins, who (IMHO) clearly hinted that more than one player would be brought in If Cortese thinks we can run with what we have got, then he is grossly mistaken We currently do NOT have a Squad to get us automatic Promotion, and the play offs are a lottery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 TBF Cortese said we will not spend for the sake of it, which IMO is a whole lot different to saying we will try to get away with not spending anything. Whats the point of buying players that are not going to improve the team ? Its just a waste of cash and will only result in many a mong on here eventually bemoaning us making the signing in the first place. He is going to try to get players in, but if they don't want to come what can you do ? I will be very very surprised if we make no signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 Plan C, bring in Strachan or Hoddle, lets get someone in who knows what they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 The problems have come about because we loaned out Puncheon and failed to replace him. No one in their right mind would think Holmes is reliable enough. There simply has to be a reason why. What a load of rubbish. The problem throughout the whole season has been failing to score goals from chances created when in charge of matches. Lambert is the most guilty of this and Puncheon probably comes in second. It would be nice to have Puncheon around but the fact that he isn't here at the moment is not the reason we are not higher up the table. "The problems have come about...." what utter, utter arse. Our form is better since he left than before, so it is just a complete arse-berry of a statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 What a load of rubbish. The problem throughout the whole season has been failing to score goals from chances created when in charge of matches. Lambert is the most guilty of this and Puncheon probably comes in second. It would be nice to have Puncheon around but the fact that he isn't here at the moment is not the reason we are not higher up the table. "The problems have come about...." what utter, utter arse. Our form is better since he left than before, so it is just a complete arse-berry of a statement. I was talking about the problems with our lack of squad depth, we loaned out one of our best attacking midfielders knowing that Barnard needed an op while Holmes and Connolly where unreliable at best... You must be one of these fans who thinks everything will just magically get better and next week Lambert will get a hat-trick and be back to his first season form - simply won't happen, there are some deep routed problems within our squad. Too one dimensional, not enough pace and a massive lack of options after our best 14 players. This current squad is worse than the one that finished last season and that's not even taking into account the nose dive in form from Lambert and Jaidi. Loaning Puncheon and not replacing him was a huge mistake and unfortunately I think we will suffer for it over the next month or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 I was talking about the problems with our lack of squad depth, we loaned out one of our best attacking midfielders knowing that Barnard needed an op while Holmes and Connolly where unreliable at best... You must be one of these fans who thinks everything will just magically get better and next week Lambert will get a hat-trick and be back to his first season form - simply won't happen, there are some deep routed problems within our squad. Too one dimensional, not enough pace and a massive lack of options after our best 14 players. This current squad is worse than the one that finished last season and that's not even taking into account the nose dive in form from Lambert and Jaidi. Loaning Puncheon and not replacing him was a huge mistake and unfortunately I think we will suffer for it over the next month or two. Correct, in football scoring is all that makes a difference.Mazy runs, gung ho charging forward from midfield are totally useless if there is no end product. We dominate but can't finish it off and then we get hit on the break or somebody cocks up and the heads go down. IF we had put our chances away yesterday we'd probably be eulogising about a 4-2 win with a bit of a balls up at the back. This has been going on all season,since day 1, when we score we're top of the world but if a side has some sort of defence and a decent keeper we're shîte,ie not clinical.The problem is that we have a main striker who is absolute pants this season, 1 goal from open play in 22 or 23 matches.That is the problem, fix that and we'll look a changed side.It is not rocket science it is kindergarden football knowledge, if you have a striker who can't strike you change him for someone who can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 I think that we really struggle against any well organised side. The problem today' date=' in my opinion, came from the spine of the team. Davis was awful, as were the CBs on the whole. The 2 CMs were far too defensive and there was no presensr up front. The fact that there was no decent plan B stems from the fact we had no decent players on the bench.[/quote'] This is so true - well said. Hammond is totally knackered when playing with Schniderlin who doesn't shift his ar-e. This leaves Hammond to cover in defense and make runs forward - he can't do both! MS is just not cutting it a couple of pretty passes each game other than this he is carried by Hammond all day. Guly - as i have said for a while is not good enough for our level - OXLC is an 'impact' player only at this stage - come on NA get it sorted. The team were not working hard enough yesterday, little closing down and poor choice of personnel and no change of tactics to compound the issues which were pretty obvious for most to see. Loosing at home to Brentford is plainly not acceptable - time for you to step up to the plate.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 I was talking about the problems with our lack of squad depth, we loaned out one of our best attacking midfielders knowing that Barnard needed an op while Holmes and Connolly where unreliable at best... You must be one of these fans who thinks everything will just magically get better and next week Lambert will get a hat-trick and be back to his first season form - simply won't happen, there are some deep routed problems within our squad. Too one dimensional, not enough pace and a massive lack of options after our best 14 players. This current squad is worse than the one that finished last season and that's not even taking into account the nose dive in form from Lambert and Jaidi. Loaning Puncheon and not replacing him was a huge mistake and unfortunately I think we will suffer for it over the next month or two. I don't think many of those things. I was pointing out that your statement that "the problems have come about" since Puncheon went on loan is obviously rubbish. You seem to be acknowledging this yourself now so I won't mention it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 Pardew was this Pardew was that.... Adkins always has a plan B. Really? Adkins was a rabbit in the headlights today. Very unimpressed. I think it's more a question of "Where was plan effing A?" What was really depressing was that midway through the second half Adders resorted to Burley type arm gyrations that used to invite the observation from less respectful fans.. " Careful George, any faster and you'll get airborne!" Maybe that's what he was hoping.. "Listen guys, I'm a really great manager so get me out of here!" This is going to be one very long winter relieved now at least by speculation of who our next manager will be. Maybe MON is still waiting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Wayman Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 Plan B? I think that was to move Oxo to loan striker for 20mins at 2-0 down and then bring on Conolloy for 10 minutes. Luckily Nigels teams like to get the ball down on the ground and place fast passing football as was seen at todays match....... I think it's Lone striker but who knows with this Comic Cuts set-up, maybe OXO will get moved out on loan to Gooners to get some more experience before he is ready for Saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 Adkins is heading for the sack at the end of the season. He has only achieved a win ratio of 50% (League) and a PPG of 1.71. To get automatic promotion, his PPG for the rest of the season it usually needs to be for the remaining games in the range of 2.2. FYI Pardew's PPG for all games (League and cup) was 1.86. But we/Adkins may get lucky and if L2 has a freak season like 2005/6, then the PPG was as low as 1.72 for 2nd place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 I thought Adkins has been doing ok up until now, but TBF yesterday was a complete farce. I notice however that everyone has failed to mention the fact that we had Fonte, Chaplow, Barnard and Richardson missing who are easily first 11 players. You then only had to look at the bench to realise how bad our injury crisis/lack of depth actually is. We were crap yesterday but lets not ask for his head just yet eh ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topcat Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 I am not calling for his head, just observing that Cortese is likely to sack him based on current form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 I am not calling for his head, just observing that Cortese is likely to sack him based on current form. I think we will be ok, and think we will be promoted, so long as we don't have a completely disasterous December which i think COULD be on the cards if we are not careful. That said, if we fail in a promotion charge this year then i will be completely with Cortese for sacking Adkins, as much as i like him. Staying in this league another season would be a disaster and as i said at the start of the season whoever was managing this year will be judged purely on getting us out of this sh*tty league and in many respects even the playoffs will be a dissapointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 I think it's Lone striker but who knows with this Comic Cuts set-up, maybe OXO will get moved out on loan to Gooners to get some more experience before he is ready for Saints? LOL well spotted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints Warrior Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 There is a plan B, 4 new players in January, or 6 would be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 12 December, 2010 Share Posted 12 December, 2010 I thought Adkins has been doing ok up until now, but TBF yesterday was a complete farce. I notice however that everyone has failed to mention the fact that we had Fonte, Chaplow, Barnard and Richardson missing who are easily first 11 players. You then only had to look at the bench to realise how bad our injury crisis/lack of depth actually is. We were crap yesterday but lets not ask for his head just yet eh ? agree, also hard to be objective after sitting through yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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