alpine_saint Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 If we're paying him so much money, shouldnt we be using him ? At the same time he's in the shop window. I dont understand the sense of freezing him out completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 If we're paying him so much money, shouldnt we be using him ? At the same time he's in the shop window. I dont understand the sense of freezing him out completely. Problem being that if we play him for 4 or 5 games we will have to re-gel a team if or when he leaves. Put him on the bench and play him the last 20 mins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 p.s Welcome back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 p.s Welcome back. I prefered FarAway Saint..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 Alps how are you,who will you be having a personel vendta against this season now that Burley has gone?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 If we're paying him so much money, shouldnt we be using him ? At the same time he's in the shop window. I dont understand the sense of freezing him out completely. Maybe his style of play doesn't suit the new system Maybe the kids have shown themselves better in playing the new system than him. He wasn't being played so he would avoid injuries in order that any potential transfer(s) wouldn't be scuppered. For mine, and what I have read, the youngsters seem to adapt better to the new system and want to play it. As for your question of how we can encourage him to take a pay cut to move. Maybe not playing him would give him that incentive (hold on, it hasn't worked for other players so I guess not!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 At the moment the youngsters play well and for each other. In short, team ethic. Playing someone who doesn't want to even be there is questionable at best and could cause long term damage to morale. I know there is the example of a certain Portuguese player at a Manchester club, but we are talking about the harsh realities of a broke Championship club here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 I prefered FarAway Saint..... Nah...didn't like him. He was to opinionated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 Alps how are you,who will you be having a personel vendta against this season now that Burley has gone?? Luckily although Burley is gone, Lowe is back so Alps can revert to the original subject of his extreme hatred and still carry on his posting style of complaint, moans, ultra-pessamism and general depression! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 I can't see why Skacel isn't playing. He should be able to slot in at left back fairly easily without needing to much gel. He is a experienced professional footballer afterall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 No. We only want players on the pitch who WANT to play for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanh Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 He doesn't really need to be put in the shop window - he's played enough in England, Scotland and Germany to be known around Europe - and it's accepted that he's on the transfer list so there is no point in disrupting our plans for the season by playing him ahead of a player like Holmes who has been brought in to play in the first team from day one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jez Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 He doesn't really need to be put in the shop window - he's played enough in England, Scotland and Germany to be known around Europe - and it's accepted that he's on the transfer list so there is no point in disrupting our plans for the season by playing him ahead of a player like Holmes who has been brought in to play in the first team from day one. Holmes won't be available every single game however, and we need cover. Look at the wasted expense if he ends up sat in the stands until xmas, when we get another chance to move him on. If we can't move him on now, then it would be ridiculous not to even give him a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 we should play him imo. Would fit well into this new system, very similar to the role he played at Hearts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNSUN Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 Leave him out. It the little scrot doesn't want to play for us, then let him rot in the reserves. Yes, we need to get him off the wagebill, but I certainly wouldn't let him get anywhere near the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Shearer Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 Have we signrd him yet? Or should it be have we sold him yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 He doesnt want to play for us, would rather have people playing who want to play, Alpine, havent you learnt the lessons of last season....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 It think it is a shame that whilst we have him he is not been utilised. If he has a poor attitude then the best way the change that is to bring him into the plans. He is a quality player and the kids will benefit from him, we shouldn't be over strict about a kid’s only policy as the best Saints sides have been a blend. If/when the team progresses we will be looking to strengthen the side with players of experience and quality. Just cut out the middle man and keep a few on, after all their wages are not really going to be the straw that broke the camels back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints-cris Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 I think he'd fit in pretty well in the new system, especially in the attacking midfield role where he'd have a lot of freedom. But hey ho, if he doesn't want to play for us then he shouldn't play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyNorthernSaints Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 He doesnt want to play for us, would rather have people playing who want to play, Alpine, havent you learnt the lessons of last season....? How do you know he doesn't want to play for us? Do you know him? have some evidence that he has asked to leave? do you know if the club is trying to get rid due to his wages possibly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 I'm worried about Skacel. He has always had a good reputation, but teams he's played for, including us, seem very willing to do without him. Its almost like Pass-the-Parcel and as the music has stopped we seem to have got the prize, only sometimes its not something you want.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 How do you know he doesn't want to play for us? Do you know him? have some evidence that he has asked to leave? do you know if the club is trying to get rid due to his wages possibly? Rudi agreed terms with Ipswich and the clubs agreed a fee. the only stumbling block is Ipswich wanted Saints to pick up the agents fee. All allegedly of course. Sure there is a possibility that he does not particularly want to leave but the fact that he speaking to other clubs does sort of swing it that way. The comparable rumour is Rasiak who is alleged to like the new set up and wants to stay (though this may have something to do with the lack of alternatives.... ;~)). as a result he is very much in JP's plans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Le Shearer Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 couldnt this simply be case where the manager not thinks he is any good/fits the formation..? why does it have to be underlying motives..? allthough I rate Rudi,maybe Jan thinks he is too slow and not energetic/hardworking enough for this "new" side.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Durman Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 The facts are that we don't know the every day business of our club and we shouldn't second guess. Does Skacel want to play for Saints. Do Saints want a player who is not committed. My guess is that he will shortly go out on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true-saint-keit Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 If he is still here when the window closes he will be draughted back into the team, as he is without a doubt one of the most skillfull players in our squad, but until then it's a waste of time playing him as we are planning for a life and a team without him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 If he is still here when the window closes he will be draughted back into the team, as he is without a doubt one of the most skillfull players in our squad, but until then it's a waste of time playing him as we are planning for a life and a team without him. I don't necessarily agree with the bit in bold (I would persoanlly replace with has without doubt flattered to deceive) but in general I agree with what you say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 (edited) If we can't shift Skacel then I don't think we can justify not using a player of his ability considering the wages he's on. However, he should only be considered if his head is right and if he is totally committed to the cause. Otherwise, we're better off sitting him in the stands. Not only that, but I doubt he would fit into our new look team, based on the fact he's hardly a willing runner! His work rate is terrible and we're better off moving him on. The problem is, there doesn't seem to be any takers. Edited 7 August, 2008 by Bailey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintkiptanui Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 Why should we use him if a nipper is playing well? He's just another old git on far too much money, the sooner these c*nts are out of our club the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buctootim Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 If we're paying him so much money, shouldnt we be using him ? At the same time he's in the shop window. I dont understand the sense of freezing him out completely. I'm paying my ex wife a lot of money, but I still don't want her to move back in. The thought of using her occasionally has crossed mind tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 Rudi agreed terms with Ipswich and the clubs agreed a fee. the only stumbling block is Ipswich wanted Saints to pick up the agents fee. All allegedly of course. Sure there is a possibility that he does not particularly want to leave but the fact that he speaking to other clubs does sort of swing it that way. The comparable rumour is Rasiak who is alleged to like the new set up and wants to stay (though this may have something to do with the lack of alternatives.... ;~)). as a result he is very much in JP's plans If he has been told to look for another club (and as a high earner this is very possible) then it's pretty obvious a player would talk to other clubs even if that player would still like to play for his adopted club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 Rudi agreed terms with Ipswich and the clubs agreed a fee. The only stumbling block is Ipswich wanted Saints to pick up the agents fee. All allegedly of course. Sure there is a possibility that he does not particularly want to leave, but the fact that he's speaking to other clubs does sort of swing it that way. Not true, Rudi rejected Ipswich after they only offered him 4K a week. He's on nearer double that here. We need to move him on ideally and get him off the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 Hertha are keen on him but don't want to pay the fee Saints want. IMO if he isn't transferred, he will go on a seasons loan, or until january, to Hertha or someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 I think he'd fit in pretty well in the new system, especially in the attacking midfield role where he'd have a lot of freedom. But hey ho, if he doesn't want to play for us then he shouldn't play. I agree in part. As far as I can remember, Burley hadn't really given him much of a run as a floating attacking midfielder. As for the lack of motivation that he apparently has, hasn't Poortvliet got any skills of player motivation? Or is it a damned sight easier to just adopt the attitude that if he doesn't want to play for us we just get rid of him? Wouldn't Scacel like to have a free roaming role in midfield, playing as part of a young team employing a passing game? You'd have thought that if nobody came in for him before the transfer window closed, he would have nothing to lose and a lot to prove, so why not use him? It's not as if he has no talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 I read this thread title as "Rudi Sacked" gave me a scare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Charlie Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 Poortvliet basically said tonight that Skacel plus a few others arent committed to the club and he thinks that they don't give their all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 7 August, 2008 Share Posted 7 August, 2008 He is summed up by most those things, but sorry, he was right about Burley from the start. oh it would be so easy to bite and start it all again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinNY Posted 8 August, 2008 Share Posted 8 August, 2008 So far during the pre-season, Holmes has played well on the left wing, while Dyer or BWP have shown they can also play there, and Surman has played very well at LB (which seems destined to be his true position) while Mills loks very promising as back up. Why disrupt that by bringing in an older player who has made it clear he doesn't see his future at SFC? If the young players don't work out well in the first few games of the season and/or Skacel recommits to being a Saints player, then it'll be time to think of re-integrating him into the 1st team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Posted 8 August, 2008 Share Posted 8 August, 2008 Maybe Rudi will be encouraged to try harder to go by playing in the reserves. Picking up a generous wage for doing little may sound good, but it will damage his own career interests if he does that for too long. Definitely shouldn't play him just because he's here, when his playing positions are well covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 8 August, 2008 Share Posted 8 August, 2008 If we're paying him so much money, shouldnt we be using him ? At the same time he's in the shop window. I dont understand the sense of freezing him out completely. Bloody hell that's twice I find myself agreeing with the Alps on one day.... I need to get a grip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 9 August, 2008 Share Posted 9 August, 2008 No. We only want players on the pitch who WANT to play for the club. Leave him out. It the little scrot doesn't want to play for us, then let him rot in the reserves. Yes, we need to get him off the wagebill, but I certainly wouldn't let him get anywhere near the first team. He doesnt want to play for us, would rather have people playing who want to play, Alpine, havent you learnt the lessons of last season....? I think he'd fit in pretty well in the new system, especially in the attacking midfield role where he'd have a lot of freedom. But hey ho, if he doesn't want to play for us then he shouldn't play. Sorry guys, I think I must have missed that particular interview, anyone got a link? Or are we just making baseless accusations on the assumption that none of our other players would ever dream of playing in the Bundesliga, rather than sitting on the bench in CCC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 17 August, 2008 Author Share Posted 17 August, 2008 Skacel's failure to agree terms with Ipswich is having a cookoo-like effect on the transfer activities at SFC. We might as well play the fecker so he can show he's worth his wage demands, especially as it looks like Drew is being forced out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 If we're paying him so much money, shouldnt we be using him ? At the same time he's in the shop window. I dont understand the sense of freezing him out completely. Oh God I agree with Alpine again ! This is getting very worrying :confused: ...along with just about everyone else I spoke to at SMS about this yesterday! ...Rudi's smiling on the team photo ffs! ... give the man a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 Oh God I agree with Alpine again ! This is getting very worrying :confused: ...along with just about everyone else I spoke to at SMS about this yesterday! ...Rudi's smiling on the team photo ffs! ... give the man a chance i would love him to stay but he will be wasted..then hated at LB, just like AS is going to end up because neither of them are left backs. The formation we are playing now would suit Rudi, he played a similar role at Hearts and scored loads and created even more. As for AS, i would like to see him in the Gillet role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minime Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 i spoke with jan today as he is one of my neighbours and he basically said that rudi, greg, marek and thomas have not been very euthusiatic since he's been here (i think he was implying that they are lazy!)...he was also quite down about yesterdays result! i asked him about yesterdays subs bench and he admitted that he should have had another striker on the bench! i think in jan we do have a great head coach:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 Think he'll be at left back PDQ if Surman's really off, otherwise, no he rots or sits as cover for the players who are in those slots in the team at the moment. Surman and Holmes have done nothing to merit being dropped yet. It is clear he is not in the long term plans so COULD be gone any time up to the end of September. We have already seen threads about the morale and motivation of the younger players and we've all said they need games to gel. So you drop a player who doesn't deserve to be dropped who you are likely to need in 5 or 6 weeks at the top of his game. See the logic in the play him argument but there is the other side in a longer term view. The ONLY person who can really make that call is the coach - he knows whether the effect of being "unfairly dropped" vs the benefit of development and gelling as a team. On the other side again we don't know about the attitude and the motivation of Skacel. Too many assumptions on our side so status quo is the most likely outcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 If there is a chance he's not going to be here, there's no point in making him an integral part of the side. Only when we know for definite that he will be here should we play him. It's just common sense really. I don't know how much interest there is from other clubs in him but he's turned down Ipswich that to me suggests he's in no real hurry to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 Oh God I agree with Alpine again ! This is getting very worrying :confused: ...along with just about everyone else I spoke to at SMS about this yesterday! ...Rudi's smiling on the team photo ffs! ... give the man a chance I spoke to Rudi in car park before match and asked him what`s happening with you and he said "i don`t know" whilst shrugging his shoulders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 i spoke with jan today as he is one of my neighbours and he basically said that rudi, greg, marek and thomas have not been very euthusiatic since he's been here (i think he was implying that they are lazy!)...he was also quite down about yesterdays result! i asked him about yesterdays subs bench and he admitted that he should have had another striker on the bench! i think in jan we do have a great head coach:) Is that what he said or just your view? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minime Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 he suggested that they could put in a lot more effort....i shall ask more when i next see him! he does speak openly which i think is good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 17 August, 2008 Share Posted 17 August, 2008 he suggested that they could put in a lot more effort....i shall ask more when i next see him! he does speak openly which i think is good Put in more effort...right!!!! Is this extra effort required before of after you are told the club wants shot of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now