Frazer Richardson...

[georgeweahscousin]

...should be starting at Right Back.

 

Defensively better, which is important if we are playing 4-4-2!

[scott_saints]

Butterfield's deserved his run in the team, mind. But yeah, Frazer is better.

[S-Clarke]

Danny has barley put a foot wrong all season, he doesn't deserve to be dropped. The only extra thing Fraser has in his locker is his recovery pace - but other than that there's nothing between them.

 

We're lucky to have 2 very equal and talented RB's for this level.

[saint simes]

Every time I have seen Frazer play he has struggled to pass to his team mates! Personally would prefer to stick with Danny but have to say its not an area I worry about as either can do a good job.

[boxosponge]

I think Fraser adds pace to the defence and is better in the air.

But Danny reads the game so well and so often is there to cover when needed.

We are lucky to have two good right backs.

 

How did Lloyd James perform on Saturday?

Edited 7 March, 2011 by boxosponge

[doddisalegend]

I think Fraser adds pace to the defence and heads the ball .

But Danny reads the game so well and so often is there to cover when needed.

We are lucky to have two good right backs.

 

How did Lloyd James perform on Saturday?

 

Pretty well by all accounts but then he was playing CM rather than being forced into doing a job at RB.

[Golden Balls]

Pretty well by all accounts but then he was playing CM rather than being forced into doing a job at RB.

 

I'm only going on radio commentary, but it seems he had quite a few high and wide shots. Seemed he was desperate to score.

[Mr Saints]

No chance, Butterfield was very good at Colchester and is much more solid than Richardson.

[K,Billy's supersound]

cant agree for me butterfeild has been the teams best defender this season imo he is better than fonte who along with Davis has regularly had moments of indecision that have cost us goals this season. his awareness and positioning more than counter his lack of speed as shown in the utd game against nani who i thought he contained very well. he has also built a good understanding with oxo and is vast experience is a great benefit to him during the game and he put in a good cross too.

 

i would possible drop him for the game with Yeovil for Frazer but only in order to rest him alongside jaidi for the much harder away game to Bournemouth.

 

for me he's the best signing we made this season a championship defender former captain of palace on a free.

[Colinjb]

Sorry but Butters is by far and away my prefered choice at right back. He can add far more to the team then Richardson (like actually passing to a team mate.)

 

Not bad for a panic signing at all.

[saintscottofthenortham]

Sorry but Butters is by far and away my prefered choice at right back. He can add far more to the team then Richardson (like actually passing to a team mate.)

 

Not bad for a panic signing at all.

 

Funny that, prior to a few weeks back I hadn't seen Butters pass to a team mate.

 

Receive ball, turn to face corner flag on opposite far side of pitch, hoof ball, back to defending. That all I have seen Butters do. He has however looked 10x's better these last few weeks although I think Frazer, given a run like Butters has, would be a far stronger choice.

 

As for the boob who thinks Butters is better than Fonte, please can we meet up so I can point at you and laugh...?

[Saint_clark]

Richardson hasn't had a run in the team like Butterfield has, and I think if he got it we would see he is much better. That's not to say that Butterfield hasn't been very solid though.

[benjii]

...should be starting at Right Back.

 

Defensively better, which is important if we are playing 4-4-2!

 

First, he is not defensively better. Second, our defence is excellent.

[benjii]

cant agree for me butterfeild has been the teams best defender this season imo he is better than fonte who along with Davis has regularly had moments of indecision that have cost us goals this season. his awareness and positioning more than counter his lack of speed as shown in the utd game against nani who i thought he contained very well. he has also built a good understanding with oxo and is vast experience is a great benefit to him during the game and he put in a good cross too.

 

i would possible drop him for the game with Yeovil for Frazer but only in order to rest him alongside jaidi for the much harder away game to Bournemouth.

 

for me he's the best signing we made this season a championship defender former captain of palace on a free.

 

Nutshell.

[benjii]

Apart from the Fonte bit.

[OVER THE HILL]

Richardson's another one of those players,like Bart and Arron Martin, that seems to be more highly rated the longer he's out of the team.

 

For me Butters is number one right back.

[Saint_clark]

Richardson's another one of those players,like Bart and Arron Martin, that seems to be more highly rated the longer he's out of the team.

 

For me Butters is number one right back.

 

Well Richardson was in the team of the year last season, and we've only seen him so far when recovering from a nasty injury. As I said, when he gets a run in the team like Butterfield has, I think he'll show to be much better. Unfortunately it could work out that Butterfield stays solid till the end of the season and Richardson ends up asking to leave, and we'll never get a chance to find out.

[saintscottofthenortham]

Well Richardson was in the team of the year last season, and we've only seen him so far when recovering from a nasty injury. As I said, when he gets a run in the team like Butterfield has, I think he'll show to be much better. Unfortunately it could work out that Butterfield stays solid till the end of the season and Richardson ends up asking to leave, and we'll never get a chance to find out.

 

Then he will go to Brighton or whoever else gets promoted and will be a stand out player in the Championship. That's how it usually works.

[Chez]

For me Richardson has hardly put a foot wrong and should be first choice. His extra height and pace give me more confidence. He has looked assured in defence and has got forward well. I don't agree with peoples comments about him never finding a Saint with his passing. He's had a game or two when his passing could have been better, but I've seen Butterfield have a game or two when his passing could not have been worse. That said Butterfield has been very good in his current run in the side (almost faultless if I'm honest) so it would be harsh to drop him.

[OVER THE HILL]

I hope Butters does stay solid until the end of the season.

 

It is too late to make changes unless there is no other choice.

[doddisalegend]

Well Richardson was in the team of the year last season, and we've only seen him so far when recovering from a nasty injury. As I said, when he gets a run in the team like Butterfield has, I think he'll show to be much better. Unfortunately it could work out that Butterfield stays solid till the end of the season and Richardson ends up asking to leave, and we'll never get a chance to find out.

 

The Manager must see them trainning every week though and seems to have settled on Butters and Harding as the better pair of backs for us. Richardson and Dickson can't be showing enough in trainning for the manager to think about changing things.

[Saint_clark]

The Manager must see them trainning every week though and seems to have settled on Butters and Harding as the better pair of backs for us. Richardson and Dickson can't be showing enough in trainning for the manager to think about changing things.

 

Training and matches are two different things - as long as Butterfield stays solid there is no real reason for Adkins to risk putting Richardson in just because he looks better in training.

[doddisalegend]

Training and matches are two different things - as long as Butterfield stays solid there is no real reason for Adkins to risk putting Richardson in just because he looks better in training.

 

I'm not sure I agree with that. Pardew used to say his teams were picked according to how the players performed in trainning that week. Nigel might be different but I'm betting he's not. If your not getting into the team the only way to show the manager you deserve to be is in trainning. If the manager turns around and tells player B he ain't getting into the match day 11 unless player A really ****s up during a game (or gets injuried) thats going to be pretty de-motaviting to player B. Kind of makes a nonsense of the competition for places arguement too.

[Saint_clark]

I'm not sure I agree with that. Pardew used to say his teams were picked according to how the players performed in trainning that week. Nigel might be different but I'm betting he's not. If your not getting into the team the only way to show the manager you deserve to be is in trainning. If the manager turns around and tells player B he ain't getting into the match day 11 unless player A really ****s up during a game (or gets injuried) thats going to be pretty de-motaviting to player B. Kind of makes a nonsense of the competition for places arguement too.

 

Hmm true I suppose - but then if, for example, Butterfield has a blinder, sets up a goal and nothing gets past him, but then Richardson does twice as well in training that week, who should get the next starting slot? Surely whichever you choose the other is going to be completely demoralised.

[Chez]

If we are winning and not conceding goals Adkins won't change the side - and he hasn't. The fact we are not taking teams apart suggests that some tinkering might still be required if we are to get on an unstoppable run that sees us to automatic promotion. Can't see him changing it now though.

[Lallana's Left Peg]

Richardson always appeared tenacious and quick but Butterfield is much better with the ball. If Chamberlain is to be starting at right-midfield then I'm a bit happier with Butterfield playing there because he'll get the ball to him properly.

 

When Chamberlain isn't playing right-midfield I don't care who plays right-back since all they will do is hump a long diagonal to Lambert anyway.

[lambertsrightleg]

when we signed butterfield i imagined he would be a stand in until richardson was fit enough to play. now, however I'm more than happy with butterfield being first choice right back. His defending has been top draw and when he gets forward he more often than not delivers a quality ball into the box

[Thedelldays]

odd how it works out...near on £1m worth of full backs being kept out by free signings...

not that im complaining...dont care who plays as long as we win

[The Cat]

I prefer Butterfield because I think he's so important in defence, especially when covering the cb's. His positioning is sound and he plays with a level head.

 

As for Lloyd James on Saturday, well he was ok. He did provide a highly amusing epic fail though. Corner puled back to the edge of the area, James swings his right foot at the ball only to slice it horribly about 3 foot into the air. The ball then spun viciously and bounced back to him and he walloped a 20 yarder over the bar.

[John McGrath's Jockstrap]

Has to be Butterfield for me. Reads the game much better than Richardson, and doesn't get caught out of position as much as a consequence. Distribution from Butterfield also better imo, seen Richardson have some shockers passing wise. But as mentioned lucky to have such good cover in a position where we were so weak last season.....ie Lloyd James (was very average for Col U on Saturday).

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Both Butterfield & Richardson have had a decent opportunity to show the manager what they can do, it would seem Butterfield has impressed NA rather more than (what had been) his higher rated colleague. For what it's worth I tend to agree with the Adkins - Butterfield gets the nod.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Sorry but Butters is by far and away my prefered choice at right back. He can add far more to the team then Richardson (like actually passing to a team mate.)

 

Not bad for a panic signing at all.

 

 

Colin I am sorry I disagree. Richardson's distribution has been very poor. Hoof hoof hoof and while he maybe a better back than Butterfield - arguably - his passing is so bad I don't want him anywhere near the team.

[trousers]

Colin I am sorry I disagree. Richardson's distribution has been very poor. Hoof hoof hoof and while he maybe a better back than Butterfield - arguably - his passing is so bad I don't want him anywhere near the team.

 

Which makes one wonder how he got in last season's League One team of the year

[Colinjb]

his passing is so bad I don't want him anywhere near the team.

 

A bit harsh!

 

He has really grown into the team recently. Dropping him just as he is hitting form (his play against Swindon was excellent) would be a massive mistake. Richardson's time will come.

[Andy Durman]

You cannot drop Butterfield's after his Saturday performance

[captainchris]

No chance, Butterfield was very good at Colchester and is much more solid than Richardson.

 

Totally agree. I have yet to see Richardson complete two passes in a row to a saints player - Defending - If we have the ball the other team can't score - that's good defending! Plus DB reads the game better and is more aware..................

[Saint_Mabes]

Richardson is so infuriating. He just hoofs it to no-one once he gets near the half way line. Happier with butterfield but strangely still think right back is a slightly weak position.

[once_bitterne]

Didn't realise until today that Ricardson has played both in the Premier League and the Uefa Cup.

[Saint_clark]

Richardson is so infuriating. He just hoofs it to no-one once he gets near the half way line. Happier with butterfield but strangely still think right back is a slightly weak position.

 

Butterfield also hoofs as well, but let's not let that get in the way.

[JustMike]

Richardson hasn't had a run in the team like Butterfield has, and I think if he got it we would see he is much better. That's not to say that Butterfield hasn't been very solid though.

 

this.

[wild-saint]

For me Richardson has hardly put a foot wrong and should be first choice. His extra height and pace give me more confidence. He has looked assured in defence and has got forward well. I don't agree with peoples comments about him never finding a Saint with his passing. He's had a game or two when his passing could have been better, but I've seen Butterfield have a game or two when his passing could not have been worse. That said Butterfield has been very good in his current run in the side (almost faultless if I'm honest) so it would be harsh to drop him.

 

This.

I also think FR looks to get for foward a lot more than DB and looks to play the ball into feet (and sometimes doesnt come off) whereas DB generally plays the long ball foward. DB usually puts a nice cross in but is generally from deep , if opnly he got forward more and played thecross from nearer the byeline he would be dangerous.

[thesaint sfc]

I think they're both equally cack and would say it is our weakest position on the pitch.

[georgeweahscousin]

Just to be clear, I wasn't saying Butterfield hasn't been good, but that if we are playing 4-4-2, a more defensive right back, which for me Richardson certainly is, would be better.

 

Butterfield would be better in a 5-4-1.

 

It just shows how different peoples opinions can be though, for me Butterfield looks like the weak link in a back four, but good going forward, certainly better distribution than Richardson.

[up and away]

I really don't think there is much in it. Richardson IMHO is the better defender, but Butterfield is the far better passer. I would say attacker but got nailed to the cross for that last time, but in my book being able to pass to team mates makes you far better going forward. There have been instances where one has been playing and given the situation, I would have preferred the other, it's that close in my book.

 

From this POV it looks a pretty easy choice, but not so simple in practice. If you pick Richardson who carries out his defensive duties far better, then gives the ball away and the pressure comes straight back on, are you really at an advantage defensively? I'll leave this one to Adkins, glad we have 2 such decent players for this position.