alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 ...and let Lallana and AOC have the time to fully recover for them, rather than risk them early, still not secure 2nd place, and they possibly get aggravations which mean they arent available for the playoff games anyway. So long as Posh get 2nd, I would be confident of getting past any two of Bournemouth, Huddersfield, MK Dons and Orient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Yes totally agree lets go to the lottery of the play offs with a team deflated after all the hype of automatic promotion Very Good idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 erm..... how many games are left this season? by the sound of it only about 3 or 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 What the hell are you on about now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 This must be a joke. Even Alpine can't be this daft. Can he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Ah.... medication hasn't had time to kick in yet - that first hour or so is tough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 There is nothing like an Alpine downer after a game. We should have won but second is still there to be claimed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shroppie Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 ...and let Lallana and AOC have the time to fully recover for them, rather than risk them early, still not secure 2nd place, and they possibly get aggravations which mean they arent available for the playoff games anyway. So long as Posh get 2nd, I would be confident of getting past any two of Bournemouth, Huddersfield, MK Dons and Orient. Err, ...... No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Alpine, genuine question. You are a Saints player, Adkins walks in this morning, says "Lads, we are now aiming for the play offs" What would you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Alps, make yourself some money and back The Posh. Clearly the bookies have more faith in your team than you do. http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/league-one/promotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsaint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 There is nothing like an Alpine downer after a game. We should have won but second is still there to be claimed. Typical you!! With your logic and mathematics and common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Th Oozlum bird. Flies around in ever decreasing circles and disappears up it's own fundament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iansums Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 FF should put together a book of Alpine's quotes, it would be a best-seller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 ...and let Lallana and AOC have the time to fully recover for them, rather than risk them early, still not secure 2nd place, and they possibly get aggravations which mean they arent available for the playoff games anyway. So long as Posh get 2nd, I would be confident of getting past any two of Bournemouth, Huddersfield, MK Dons and Orient. Not yet. I'm annoyed we seem to have made hard it for ourselves this season but were not out of this by a long shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Not yet. I'm annoyed we seem to have made hard it for ourselves this season but were not out of this by a long shot. How have we made it hard for ourselves? Injuries to players are accidental, not something self-inflicted. Unless you are referring to the decision to get shot of Pardew or something else that the club or manager has done which is equally debateable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolosfc Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 We don't win one game and you are saying 'lets settle for the play offs'?? It is a draw away at Charlton, not the worst result in the world, leaving us still in the driving seat in terms of games in hand. Stop the panic, we will still go up automatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 ...and let Lallana and AOC have the time to fully recover for them, rather than risk them early, still not secure 2nd place, and they possibly get aggravations which mean they arent available for the playoff games anyway. So long as Posh get 2nd, I would be confident of getting past any two of Bournemouth, Huddersfield, MK Dons and Orient. TBF it would be a nice day out at Wembley but pity you wouldn't be there Alps, eh ?? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Let's just be happy we have avoided relegation. We can spend another couple of years rebuilding and then perhaps (as long as we don't draw away from home) we can make a push for promotion. Having looked at the run in last night, nobody has it easy and I think there will be a few more twists and turns yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthamSteve Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Lallana's injury isn't tht bad. He'll be back in time for the next game, I bet any one of you a tenner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 ...and let Lallana and AOC have the time to fully recover for them, rather than risk them early, still not secure 2nd place, and they possibly get aggravations which mean they arent available for the playoff games anyway. So long as Posh get 2nd, I would be confident of getting past any two of Bournemouth, Huddersfield, MK Dons and Orient. Why don't we just go the whole hog and settle for staying up this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrian lord Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 We do seem to bottle it at decisive moments still. This is a recurrent weakness that the happy clappy joy division fascists seem to have a blind spot for. We need to secure 2 nd because we could blow the playoffs like we have other key opportunities to make a decisive break away from our rivals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 23 March, 2011 I was hoping that this point could be discussed sensibly, without rancour or abuse. However, the site just matches its usual standard of debate quality. Ultimately we all want to be in the Championship next season. My question refers to what route would secure the highest probability. Let's say Lallana and AOC are not ready for the next two games and are marginal for the third game, in 2.5 weeks time. Do you risk them if the last 2 games didnt yield wins, to try to keep up with the 2nd place race, and risk a longer lay off ? Or do you keep your powder dry for the playoffs, knowing full well we'd have to REALLY f**k up now to fall out of the top 6 ? Especially if Posh are winning the race for 2nd place ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthamSteve Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 I was hoping that this point could be discussed sensibly, without rancour or abuse. However, the site just matches its usual standard of debate quality. Ultimately we all want to be in the Championship next season. My question refers to what route would secure the highest probability. Let's say Lallana and AOC are not ready for the next two games and are marginal for the third game, in 2.5 weeks time. Do you risk them if the last 2 games didnt yield wins, to try to keep up with the 2nd place race, and risk a longer lay off ? Or do you keep your powder dry for the playoffs, knowing full well we'd have to REALLY f**k up now to fall out of the top 6 ? Especially if Posh are winning the race for 2nd place ? Lallana will be fine, I'm positive about that. - He looked like he had the ****s. Really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 We do seem to bottle it at decisive moments still. This is a recurrent weakness that the happy clappy joy division fascists seem to have a blind spot for. We need to secure 2 nd because we could blow the playoffs like we have other key opportunities to make a decisive break away from our rivals I think the term happy clappy posters should be renamed to ''realistic posters with perspective''. I think it's better to look at the bigger picture and previous results, rather than condencing it into one game which alot seem to do. It's not the end of the world, it's still in our own hands, the other teams (p/boro and hudders) have to play eachother, mk dons and Brighton before the seasons end so they will not pick up maximum points. We really haven't bottled it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Posh aren't winning the race for 2nd, and we don't know whether AOC and Lallana will be out for any serious amount of time. Perhaps we should leave this thread until Posh are winning the race for 2nd, and AOC and Lallana are both out for a month confirmed. Just a suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 I was hoping that this point could be discussed sensibly, without rancour or abuse. However, the site just matches its usual standard of debate quality. Ultimately we all want to be in the Championship next season. My question refers to what route would secure the highest probability. Let's say Lallana and AOC are not ready for the next two games and are marginal for the third game, in 2.5 weeks time. Do you risk them if the last 2 games didnt yield wins, to try to keep up with the 2nd place race, and risk a longer lay off ? Or do you keep your powder dry for the playoffs, knowing full well we'd have to REALLY f**k up now to fall out of the top 6 ? Especially if Posh are winning the race for 2nd place ? Coming 2nd !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 23 March, 2011 I think the term happy clappy posters should be renamed to ''realistic posters with perspective''. I think it's better to look at the bigger picture and previous results, rather than condencing it into one game which alot seem to do. It's not the end of the world, it's still in our own hands, the other teams (p/boro and hudders) have to play eachother, mk dons and Brighton before the seasons end so they will not pick up maximum points. We really haven't bottled it. Interesting. Because I think that term could also be used to describe those that the happy-clappers euphemistically describe as "wrist-slitters" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 FF should put together a book of Alpine's quotes, it would be a best-seller. The Tw*ts Guide to Suicidal Depressiveness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Posh aren't winning the race for 2nd, and we don't know whether AOC and Lallana will be out for any serious amount of time. Perhaps we should leave this thread until Posh are winning the race for 2nd, and AOC and Lallana are both out for a month confirmed. Just a suggestion. OK, maybe it is a little premature. But that infers that this suggestion isnt all that outrageous, and cricumstances could merit this decision. Let's see what team steps out against MK Dons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 23 March, 2011 The Tw*ts Guide to Suicidal Depressiveness? Why must you be so f**king unpleasant ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torrent Of Abuse Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 (edited) Somewhere between the idea that we could, nay should, nay MUST win all our games or else we are naught but girly men and the idea that we should give up and aim for the playoffs, there is a middle ground. I'm not sure of the size of this middle ground but instinct tells me it's very big. We should probably consider the truth to be somewhere in that middle ground. It will be hard to find but when we do, it will probably be wearing a red carnation and its best pulling shirt. Let us find this truth and make out with it. Edited 23 March, 2011 by Torrent Of Abuse Because I like editing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 ...and let Lallana and AOC have the time to fully recover for them, rather than risk them early, still not secure 2nd place, and they possibly get aggravations which mean they arent available for the playoff games anyway. So long as Posh get 2nd, I would be confident of getting past any two of Bournemouth, Huddersfield, MK Dons and Orient. DO NOT deliberately start arguments. This is known as "trolling". It is usually very easy to spot, and offending threads will be locked or deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 We are two points off the play offs with two games in hand and a significantly superior goal difference, so if we win one of those games or draw both and then match Peterborough for the rest of the season we will almost certainly be promoted. Now is certainly not the time to be setting our sights lower as we and countless othr sides have seen quality is no guarentee in the play offs lottery. So in simple answer to you question no we shouldn't settle for the play offs under any circumstances, I would gamble a crocked Lallana and Chambo in the las game of the season if we are in with a sniff of automatic, as you've said yourself with the games in hand there is no guarentee you win them just becuase your the better team and the same certainly applies to the play offs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 How have we made it hard for ourselves? Injuries to players are accidental, not something self-inflicted. Unless you are referring to the decision to get shot of Pardew or something else that the club or manager has done which is equally debateable. No by not winning winnable games. We've have several time this season lost games to bottom half sides or like last night not putt the boot into teams on wretched form. We've played very poorly at times this season under three different managers, yes it happens to all teams but those that want promotion make sure it doesn't happen to often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doggface Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Do not feed the troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 23 March, 2011 DO NOT deliberately start arguments. This is known as "trolling". It is usually very easy to spot, and offending threads will be locked or deleted. Argument ? Its called a "debate", and my post is called a "possible point of view". Oh, and your description is "Full Member" (and what a member you are), not "moderator" so save it with the StevieGrant routine.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 I have decided to come back after a 6 month break as I was getting fed up with the **** being posted on here. May I just add 'What the **** Alpine?' Maybe it's time to visit the forum in 6 months time as it's clear there are too many fruit cakes still on it! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 And Lambert and Fonte get injured the game before the playoffs? Shall we save them for next season and give up on the playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Argument ? Its called a "debate", and my post is called a "possible point of view". Oh, and your description is "Full Member" (and what a member you are), not "moderator" so save it with the StevieGrant routine.. Alps, I've always tried to see where you're coming from, and accepted, that you are in fact, a very sad man. But more and more, I get the feeling, that you are deep, deep, deep undercover, which explains why you always seem to have the blues when Saints play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Interesting. Because I think that term could also be used to describe those that the happy-clappers euphemistically describe as "wrist-slitters" Perspective doesn't mean going ott and suicidal after 1 game, in which we dropped 2 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Charlton's late equalizer was irritating, especially as it inevitably came from the man we all just knew would score against us. However we still bettered Peterborough's result on monday with one less game to go, and it put us in an ever so slightly better position than we were previously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 ...and let Lallana and AOC have the time to fully recover for them, rather than risk them early, still not secure 2nd place, and they possibly get aggravations which mean they arent available for the playoff games anyway. So long as Posh get 2nd, I would be confident of getting past any two of Bournemouth, Huddersfield, MK Dons and Orient. Funnily enough I seem to remember George Burley taking a similar "let's target the play-offs" stance a few years ago in the Championship, which you continually condemned and mocked Burley for, as did quite a few of fans including me. Sorry but your double standards are hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 You really are weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsland Codger Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Here's a thought for you, Alpine. Imagine you have been involved in some kind of Arctic survey or walking with gun-and rod-up the Yangtze or something similar and you have been out of communication since the autumn. You have a look at this morning's League 1 table and see Saints are currently third. Although you note we are only ahead of the team in fourth place on goal difference, we have a game in hand over that team. You also note we are two points behind the team in second place but, wonderfully, we have two games in hand over them and a much superior goal difference. Would you be happy or unhappy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 23 March, 2011 Author Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Here's a thought for you, Alpine. Imagine you have been involved in some kind of Arctic survey or walking with gun-and rod-up the Yangtze or something similar and you have been out of communication since the autumn. You have a look at this morning's League 1 table and see Saints are currently third. Although you note we are only ahead of the team in fourth place on goal difference, we have a game in hand over that team. You also note we are two points behind the team in second place but, wonderfully, we have two games in hand over them and a much superior goal difference. Would you be happy or unhappy? Neither. I have never taken the games-in-hand seriously because no team can f**k up like we can, but table position-wise with a bit of luck, it looks like we might fall over the finish line. Sorry, too much history of Saints making tough jobs even more difficult for themselves... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 I was hoping that this point could be discussed sensibly, without rancour or abuse. However, the site just matches its usual standard of debate quality. Ultimately we all want to be in the Championship next season. My question refers to what route would secure the highest probability. Let's say Lallana and AOC are not ready for the next two games and are marginal for the third game, in 2.5 weeks time. Do you risk them if the last 2 games didnt yield wins, to try to keep up with the 2nd place race, and risk a longer lay off ? Or do you keep your powder dry for the playoffs, knowing full well we'd have to REALLY f**k up now to fall out of the top 6 ? Especially if Posh are winning the race for 2nd place ? NA will not risk AL / AOC if they're not fit enough to have an impact and he will still aim to go up automatically if they're out so I'm guessing he will combine the best of those options according to their injury status. Also, I fully expect us to gain enough points to go up automatically even if we lose one or both of them for a couple of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 Neither. I have never taken the games-in-hand seriously because no team can f**k up like we can, but table position-wise with a bit of luck, it looks like we might fall over the finish line. Sorry, too much history of Saints making tough jobs even more difficult for themselves... Well they can, look at Bournmouth and Charlton. Just a couple of examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 23 March, 2011 Share Posted 23 March, 2011 I think the term happy clappy posters should be renamed to ''realistic posters with perspective''. I think it's better to look at the bigger picture and previous results, rather than condencing it into one game which alot seem to do. It's not the end of the world, it's still in our own hands, the other teams (p/boro and hudders) have to play eachother, mk dons and Brighton before the seasons end so they will not pick up maximum points. We really haven't bottled it. Precisely! Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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