Saint_Mabes Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 I'm sure every one of you experiences something similar to this. The guys behind us have certain players they HATE. The player they most hate is Kelvin. However, yesterday Kelvin's distribution (IMO) was so good that it stopped them moanoing at him quite so much. Guly on the other hand seemed to take their full miserable wrath yeasterday. I personally thought he had a really good game. I also personally think he is a great player for us to have. 2 questions - what do you think of Guly? And do you have people like the above mentioned who HATE certain players and which players do they hate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 (edited) Guly good. Didn't score but he makes opportunities that others simply can't. The people behind me very quick to moan about him none time they were grumbling about one of his 'bad' passes and had to go all quiet when Harding (I think) ran onto it. Then again, last week the old fella behind me who keeps hitting me on the head judged Forte as 'that useless donkey that he signed from his old club'... Edited 3 April, 2011 by jam Phone again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voteforpedro Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 Comes across as being too laid back and sometimes lazy, but certainly has a great touch on him. In my opinion he has loads of ability even if he isnt always on the same wavelength as the players around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastleighhalo Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 fabulous footballer playing behind the front two ..when the wavelengths click together between him and ricky/barny we will be unstoppable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 I thought Guly had a good game yesterday, there was one particular twist and turn on the ball about midway between the circle and the box with three mk on him and he left them for dead, wonderful skill. Very good passer as well, excellent signing imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 Thought he played well yesterday. He has a lot of flair and is unpredictable and you need that in a player or two out of your team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St BATman Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 Thought he played well, some really good touches and he got into some My only complaint, yesterday was his decision making, which was, on the whole, pretty poor. I don't have too many of the moaning player haters around me but I know my friend does, to the extent we may move elsewhere next season. I don't really understand going to watch football and then just constantly berating players on the team you support... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Mabes Posted 3 April, 2011 Author Share Posted 3 April, 2011 We are seriously considering moving next year. Shame as the guy next to us is a great laugh. The problem is, now i'm 'tuned in' to the moaners behind me, I can hear everything they say and even the tone of their voice is grating on me! Don't mind people having different opinions, but it's SOOO negative all the time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 I think that he is actually a very good player but that he will not neccessaruly be at his best in Div1. I think that if/when we get promoted he will became a very important player for us (assuming that he stays) in the higher standard of football where he will get a bit more time and space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 I dont rate him much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 Quelle surprise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourno Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 Guly maybe too good for some of his team mates, some of his passes would look like magic had they been picked up by a team mate, but when they don't they look like wasted passes (which technically they are). He also has some moments when he chases back and put the blocks and tackles in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 Just about as inconsistent as they come - gash one moment, borderline brilliant the next. On the whole I don't really think that he's good enough/often enough to be considered a real success. I rather wish we had managed to keep Papa Waigo from last season - a better player in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 He totally splits opinion. I am without doubt in the Guly good camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splurty Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 Hear hear papa would have become a real star had we tried harder to keep him !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 he tries the unusual, so when it works it totally throws opposition but when it doesn't it can look silly. doesn't always work - but if it did he would not be in league 1! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodfc Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 He totally splits opinion. I am without doubt in the Guly good camp. My opinion is totally split. His first touch can be absolute ******** at times but then we need to trust NA who works with him every day. Maybe if/when in the Championship we'll see more of what he's about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
explorer saint Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 Shocking excuse for a footballer but then again that goal against Blackpool amd think he will do better in a higher division if we get there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK the 2nd Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 (edited) Guly is like a lighthouse in the middle of the desert .... brilliant ... ... but at the same time ... ... f*c*ing useless Edited 3 April, 2011 by KK the 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffo Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 I think he is a quality player. A lot of the time he is on a different wavelength to others though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmel Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 Decent enough footballer, but we struggle to fit him into our shape or systems. When he shot in the first half and should have laid Lambert off, Rickie went mad at him and then turned to the bench and my lip reading skills came up with "He's fokking clueless" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Causer Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 Clearly a naturally talented player with skill but the big issue is that he dosen't link up well with Rickie and Barnard in part due to his selfishness and poor decision making. There were many occasions yesterday when Guly/Lambert/Lallana and Chaplow were all occupying each others space and leaving gaps in other midfield areas and leaving Hammond and allowing the Dons to crowd us out.Personally I think at the moment Guly's individual skill and flair doesn't quite make up for the fact he does not fit in to the team system. However if Adkins can work on his decision making and get him to adapt to Lambert's style of play and Barnard's movement then he could become a top player for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 Sorry but I see him as a bit of a show pony. Undoubtedly has the skill and ability to produce something extraordinary from time to time, but little end product and too infrequent. On hearing his inclusion yesterday I had hoped I'd see something that would change my view of him, but the lasting memory was him falling over in the first half with no one near him. Guly is like a lighthouse in the middle of the desert .... brilliant ... ... but at the same time ... ... f*c*ing useless Probably as good a summary as you'll get. As for a player targetted, we had some moron behind us vPlymouth who clearly disliked Harding with a passion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 Can't afford to have him and Barnie in the team. Our right side was terrible weakness in the Dons game until Forte came on. The only time I would play him would be as an attacking central midfielder with Lambo the lone striker, otherwise he's a luxury. When Forte came on he gave the team the balance it was missing in the 1st half. I've noticed before that Lallana wide left and no-one on the other side of the park doesn't make for a good outcome. Fair play to Adkins for sorting that out comprehensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 Glad the Northam were chanting his name loudly even after a couple of mistakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 3 April, 2011 Share Posted 3 April, 2011 He is the player who will score the goals that get us to the Prem. On promotion we should build a team around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DECROMAX Posted 4 April, 2011 Share Posted 4 April, 2011 I know he's a bit clumsy at times , but he has all shown us glimpses of what he is capable of. His vision makes it hard not only for the opposition but for our own team to read too which makes some of his decisions look p1ss poor. but when they are on the same wavelength my god are we dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
positivepete Posted 4 April, 2011 Share Posted 4 April, 2011 I think that he is actually a very good player but that he will not neccessaruly be at his best in Div1. I think that if/when we get promoted he will became a very important player for us (assuming that he stays) in the higher standard of football where he will get a bit more time and space. Indeed, he is more likely to succeed at a higher level than a number of our players, including a couple that are starting up front at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 4 April, 2011 Share Posted 4 April, 2011 Has a great touch, clearly a very talented guy, can create moments of magic... But too often he is absolutely f*****g shít and he drives me nuts. If he would put a bit more energy into his game and think before just trying some silky move or stupid flick pass then I would let him off, but too often he is sauntering around doing f*ck all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 4 April, 2011 Share Posted 4 April, 2011 playing him CM = Guly f'ing useless playing him CF = Guly ok sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 4 April, 2011 Share Posted 4 April, 2011 (edited) He reminds me of me at my peak. Far too good for normal fans to appreciate. Could easily sell for more than Oxo one day, mark my words. I think that one of his big pluses is that he enjoys the here and now whereas someone like Oxo is gonna have one eye on the future and who he's gonna be Playing for, it won't be us. I first saw him play up at Swindon, that terrible terrible game under Wilkins (wasn't his fault imo). I saw something in him that day that gave me hope, a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel just like one sees when entering the darkness of the Blisworth Tunnel, you know there is a period of darkness ahead but you know the sun is shining at the other end. Our narrowboat is named 'Morpheus' after the Greek god of dreams, make of that what you will. Edited 4 April, 2011 by hamster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 4 April, 2011 Share Posted 4 April, 2011 Clearly a naturally talented player with skill but the big issue is that he dosen't link up well with Rickie and Barnard in part due to his selfishness and poor decision making. There were many occasions yesterday when Guly/Lambert/Lallana and Chaplow were all occupying each others space and leaving gaps in other midfield areas and leaving Hammond and allowing the Dons to crowd us out.Personally I think at the moment Guly's individual skill and flair doesn't quite make up for the fact he does not fit in to the team system. However if Adkins can work on his decision making and get him to adapt to Lambert's style of play and Barnard's movement then he could become a top player for us. This is fair comment and pretty well my view too. Sometimes he picks out passes that would be brilliant if others were on the same wavelength, but as others have said, look silly when nobody reads them. And he has to realise that it is a TEAM game. His colleagues are going to get frustrated if he doesn't share the ball a bit more. He has the skill, but often his decision making with the final ball is lacking. The fact that there has to be a thread debating whether he is good or bad speaks volumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 4 April, 2011 Share Posted 4 April, 2011 The fact that there has to be a thread debating whether he is good or bad speaks volumes. About our fanbase , yes They've got it wrong before like with all our exes now impressing at higher levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 4 April, 2011 Share Posted 4 April, 2011 Guly good, Guly bad ! Yep, that's him ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom28 Posted 4 April, 2011 Share Posted 4 April, 2011 Comes across as being too laid back and sometimes lazy, but certainly has a great touch on him. In my opinion he has loads of ability even if he isnt always on the same wavelength as the players around him. I can only assume you don't actually watch any games? When you watch him, he most definitely does not come across as lazy or laid back. He works really hard, forward and back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 4 April, 2011 Share Posted 4 April, 2011 Guly good, Guly bad ! Yep, that's him ! Lol ...fair summary! Overall I'd go with 'mixed and unpredictable'. If he was a young player I'd say he showed enough raw talent that one day he'd maybe be great. But actually he's 29(?) ,at his peak, and what is more on saturday he was playing in what is reportedly his favourite position, just behind the strikers. (We were playing a diamond with him at the front, so it is totally unfair to blame Guly for a weak right side as someone did above). This was a game in which he ought to have shone. But the fact is he didn't have a particularly good game, and we looked a lot better after the substitutions playing 4-4-2. To what extent that was due to the formation change or the player change is a matter of opinion -- bit of both IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamster Posted 4 April, 2011 Share Posted 4 April, 2011 Can someone remind me, did we sign him proper or is on loan still? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 4 April, 2011 Share Posted 4 April, 2011 Intrestingly my son and I were chatting with his (hopefully) new under 11s football coach the otherday and he said something to my son that seems quite relevant to Guly along the lines of (and paraphrasing a bit) Plenty of people can play football and be good with a football at their feet, you can be good becuase of your speed, strength or size but what makes you really good is making the right footballing desicions. Thats Guly undoubtly he is good with a football some of his skill is sublime. However his descion making is highly suspect which what stops him being really good footballer. I don't really buy the if only his team mates where better thing either. He has been at the club long enough to get used to his team mates and the way they play for that to be a poor excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromthedell Posted 4 April, 2011 Share Posted 4 April, 2011 really dont get saints fans slagging there own players 3 guys in the same row as me continually slag kelvin and rickie but cheer every time barnard touches the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alain Perrin Posted 4 April, 2011 Share Posted 4 April, 2011 I think a good question is who in the division would you swap Kelvin for. My answer? No-one. Calamity Joe (Lewis)? Casper is young and makes mistakes (good prospect but give me experience any day). Yes Kelvin makes mistakes but find me a keeper that doesn't. Guly I think has the attributes of a good player but lacks consistency. That's why he / we are in League 1. Chaplow is the only player I have a problem with (and even then I support him), he does the hard things well and then screws up the five yard pass that follows. So frustrating and a yellow card machine too We are a team. Together as one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolosfc Posted 4 April, 2011 Share Posted 4 April, 2011 My brother has this same hatred towards Guly, ever since the Huddersfield game when we smashed them 4-1 but he wasted a lot of good opportunities. I think this thread sums him up. Sometimes he is great sometimes awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 4 April, 2011 Share Posted 4 April, 2011 Can someone remind me, did we sign him proper or is on loan still? I believe we signed him permanently after his "purple patch" around Christmas time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintfully Posted 4 April, 2011 Share Posted 4 April, 2011 Guly good for me - one of the few of our players who might make the step up and survive in the Premiership. Then again, I thought/think Puncheon isn't really good enough - so I know nothing. On that subject... why do so many people think Harding is crap? I don't get it - he always seems to be a great L1 player to me. The times he is out of position are made up for by his reliability defending when he is in the right place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
up and away Posted 4 April, 2011 Share Posted 4 April, 2011 Clearly a naturally talented player with skill but the big issue is that he dosen't link up well with Rickie and Barnard in part due to his selfishness and poor decision making. There were many occasions yesterday when Guly/Lambert/Lallana and Chaplow were all occupying each others space and leaving gaps in other midfield areas and leaving Hammond and allowing the Dons to crowd us out.Personally I think at the moment Guly's individual skill and flair doesn't quite make up for the fact he does not fit in to the team system. However if Adkins can work on his decision making and get him to adapt to Lambert's style of play and Barnard's movement then he could become a top player for us. That seems a very fair assessment of what was going on. What we really needed in that first half was the set up with Guly against Tranmere at home. For all Guly's faults, he is one that can definitely play at a higher level, the big problem is who to play along side of him? I would play Guly as a striker because of his ability to cover the midfield and run down lost causes. The guy has no fear about getting in the way and is a nightmare to see him chasing back for the opposition. His ability to play the killer pass is better than any other player we have, but you have to have someone with space or pace to be of value alongside of him. Just is not going to work out with Guly, Lambert and Barnard, everything looks so unbalanced, big holes in the midfield and getting in each others way. A lot of that problem is down to Guly, but go back and look at the games where he was being used up front to see the benefits that can bring. I would like to see Guly and Barnard tried together because Rickys lack of pace restricts too many attacking options. The one thing Guly needs to sort out sharpish is his attitude, it's a team not an individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 April, 2011 Share Posted 4 April, 2011 Can't afford to have him and Barnie in the team. Our right side was terrible weakness in the Dons game until Forte came on. The only time I would play him would be as an attacking central midfielder with Lambo the lone striker, otherwise he's a luxury. When Forte came on he gave the team the balance it was missing in the 1st half. I've noticed before that Lallana wide left and no-one on the other side of the park doesn't make for a good outcome. Fair play to Adkins for sorting that out comprehensively. So what you're saying is that our right-sided midfielder (Chaplow) was poor, and that's Guly's fault ? I'd pick Guly and Barnard together every day of the week, even at the expense of Lambert, as I've been saying for a few weeks. Guly has vision, Barnard has enough pace and makes runs past the back line. That's an ideal combination. Though I have to say to be fair to Lambert his touch was much improved on Saturday, even if he still wasn't getting into the box because he was out wide crossing too often (or just ambling around on the edge of the area thinking about running, much less impressively). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 4 April, 2011 Share Posted 4 April, 2011 Guly good for me - one of the few of our players who might make the step up and survive in the Premiership. Then again, I thought/think Puncheon isn't really good enough - so I know nothing. On that subject... why do so many people think Harding is crap? I don't get it - he always seems to be a great L1 player to me. The times he is out of position are made up for by his reliability defending when he is in the right place. Puncheon got dropped this weekend to enable Holloway (amongst other things) to pick Beattie and Ormerod up front in a three, so you might be right yet - his honeymoon period usually lasts about 2 months so we're probably seeing his Blackpool performances tailing off around now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 4 April, 2011 Share Posted 4 April, 2011 I struggle to rate him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 4 April, 2011 Share Posted 4 April, 2011 Comes across as being too laid back and sometimes lazy, but certainly has a great touch on him. In my opinion he has loads of ability even if he isnt always on the same wavelength as the players around him. I have never, ever thought that about him. He closes down tremendously. This seems to be the standard opinion on foreign players, though. I thought he looked off the pace on saturday but probably because it was so long since he last started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncoboy Posted 4 April, 2011 Share Posted 4 April, 2011 Clearly he has some skill but he doesn't like the physical nature of this league and although he does have some lovely touches he wastes chances when another player would put them away. He does not appear to be comfortable in this league. Its no good bringing in players who cant adapt to our team and the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 4 April, 2011 Share Posted 4 April, 2011 Could easily sell for more than Oxo one day, mark my words. how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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