trousers Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 Using the Puncheon situation as a benchmark, it would appear that Cortese and/or Adkins are intolerant of 'player power' - i.e. players who think they are bigger than the club they are playing for. How will this apparent 'zero tolerance' approach to egotistical players affect our ability to compete with the best in the championship and premier league given that you need a smattering of 'big headed' players to succeed in this game? Just wondering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctoroncall Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 I would suspect that there are players who have big egos but still recognise football as a team game and are not corrupted by greed or agent to realise the team is the most important thing in winning games and medals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 This has crossed my mi d but from what I have heard it was Punchhim's complete show of disrespect towards the club that has resulted in the position we are now in, rather than his general ego. Pretty much all footballers have an ego to some extent, but fair play to NA & NC for making a stand and letting our players know there is no one player bigger than the team. Can't wait to play Punchhim next Season. Cocky little c*nt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 Using the Puncheon situation as a benchmark, it would appear that Cortese and/or Adkins are intolerant of 'player power' - i.e. players who think they are bigger than the club they are playing for. How will this apparent 'zero tolerance' approach to egotistical players affect our ability to compete with the best in the championship and premier league given that you need a smattering of 'big headed' players to succeed in this game? Just wondering. Given that we have had only one situation (in public at least!) I'm not sure that we can assume 'zero tolerance' ? Clearly Adkins perceives spirit and togetherness as critical to squad success and he is undoubtedly correct in this, but there are many ways to cajole and encourage those who may step outside the line ! Good man management should allow for some flexibility but in extreme cases (ie. Puncheon!) strong action has to be taken ! My guess is that he is smart enough to monitor the atmosphere in and around the building and only flex his muscles when necessary ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 (edited) stuck by Barnard and supported him during difficult time. if you are on the bus and want to go where the driver is taking you, you will be looked after, if not get off next stop! Edited 15 May, 2011 by NickG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Stimp Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 Think it just means Balotelli is out of the question.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 Does anyone know what actually happened with Puncheon? I have heard all the vague rumours about trainning ground punch ups I just wonder if anyone has the actual low down on what happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 stuck by Barnard and supported him during difficult time. if you are on the bus you will be looked after, if not get off next stop! Surely you'd have to be on the bus to get off at the next stop......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 how's that? It his mad rants! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 Saints probable greatest player ever had his best 18 months ever when his ego was increased by his boss Jan 94 - may 95 mlt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 NC and NA will be sensible and play it on a case-by-case basis. Clearly, the amoung of aggro caused by Puncheon was not worth the performance return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowers-sfc Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 Does anyone know what actually happened with Puncheon? I have heard all the vague rumours about trainning ground punch ups I just wonder if anyone has the actual low down on what happened? I stabbed him with a pen when i got his autograph, ever since that point, hes been **** and a complete knobhead. Its all my fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 I stabbed him with a pen when i got his autograph, ever since that point, hes been **** and a complete knobhead. Its all my fault. In that case please do not ask any more team members for an autograph ............ except Forecast,Holmes and Pulis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 How is Owen's ego? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokyo-Saint Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 How is Owen's ego? It's about 3ft bigger than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swannymere Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 Saints probable greatest player ever had his best 18 months ever when his ego was increased by his boss Jan 94 - may 95 mlt Not really true, MLT was given a confidence boost by someone who believed in him, Puncheon hasn't proved anything to anybody apart from believing he's gods gift to football rather than getting his head down and working his ******** off. It happens to too many young players these days, they believe their own hype and think they don't have to work hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 Not really true, MLT was given a confidence boost by someone who believed in him, Puncheon hasn't proved anything to anybody apart from believing he's gods gift to football rather than getting his head down and working his ******** off. It happens to too many young players these days, they believe their own hype and think they don't have to work hard. See this is the sort of thing I'm talking about were does this info come from? Has anyone spoken to Puncheon and got this from the horses mouth? Has anyone at SFC ever said this? Or is it all assumption and hearsay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 See this is the sort of thing I'm talking about were does this info come from? Has anyone spoken to Puncheon and got this from the horses mouth? Has anyone at SFC ever said this? Or is it all assumption and hearsay. i think people get this assumption when they see his manorisms at the the funeral of mr liebherr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 Does anyone know what actually happened with Puncheon? I have heard all the vague rumours about trainning ground punch ups I just wonder if anyone has the actual low down on what happened? Good question, and actually no one on here can tell you what, if anything, happened. That shouldn't stop us labelling him a C^nt though - we're football fans. Makes me laugh when people make judgements about the personalities of people they've never met. I think it's fair to say Adkins and Puncheon don't get on but beyond that is impossible to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 Good question, and actually no one on here can tell you what, if anything, happened. That shouldn't stop us labelling him a C^nt though - we're football fans. Makes me laugh when people make judgements about the personalities of people they've never met. I think it's fair to say Adkins and Puncheon don't get on but beyond that is impossible to say. I base my opinion on the fact he told Adkins he wasn't 'mentally prepared' to play in a game for us when he came back from Millwall on loan and the speculation about his future was rife. So yeah, I think he is a *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 I base my opinion on the fact he told Adkins he wasn't 'mentally prepared' to play in a game for us when he came back from Millwall on loan and the speculation about his future was rife. So yeah, I think he is a *****. Puncheon told you that did he? Actually if I recall Adkins made the decision not to play him but I could be wrong. In any case you're still only hearing one side of the story - nothing wrong with trusting one version over another but there is something wrong with blindly dismissing someone as a person without really knowing any details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 I base my opinion on the fact he told Adkins he wasn't 'mentally prepared' to play in a game for us when he came back from Millwall on loan and the speculation about his future was rife. So yeah, I think he is a *****. Where did you get that from? Did Nigel mention it an interview? Just interested to know where all the stuff about puncheon came from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lallana's Left Peg Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 Well if we can only base our opinion on what people tell us personally we're all in a world of trouble, aren't we? Adkins clearly hates him (there was a telling interview after the Charlton away game), plenty of rumours flying about but I don't think a player is made to train with the youth team unless there has been a big falling out and a sign of disrespect shown to either the club or the Manager. Puncheon's body language is atrocious at times and when push comes to shove, I'm far more inclined to support Adkins over Puncheon any day of the week. Luckily, the club feels the same way too. We know that team spirit is something Adkins rates highly so if Puncheon doesn't fit - either through his actions or he may be a bit of a loner in general, then get him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 Well if we can only base our opinion on what people tell us personally we're all in a world of trouble, aren't we? Adkins clearly hates him (there was a telling interview after the Charlton away game), plenty of rumours flying about but I don't think a player is made to train with the youth team unless there has been a big falling out and a sign of disrespect shown to either the club or the Manager. Puncheon's body language is atrocious at times and when push comes to shove, I'm far more inclined to support Adkins over Puncheon any day of the week. Luckily, the club feels the same way too. We know that team spirit is something Adkins rates highly so if Puncheon doesn't fit - either through his actions or he may be a bit of a loner in general, then get him out. Personally I'd say generally speaking we're in a world of trouble if we blindly trust and believe people without asking questions. I've no great desire to be a sheep. All your accusations are based upon your own assumptions - you say "clearly Adkins hates him", no he just said he wouldn't recall him. You say he was made to train with the youth team - that's the first I've heard of it and wouldn't be surprised if you'd made it up. You say his body language is atrocious - well that's a question of perception. What do base that on? Are you qualified in that area or is it based on the fact he didn't run very fast when you him wanted to? I've no problem with Adkins not wanting him around - as manager that's his job. I'm not going to label the guy and slag him off though unless it's in a conversation based upon his ability as a footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 Controlling the players is a skilled busimess. The worst case of losing the changing room was Luggy. He was a disaster. Mind you he should never have been appointed and would not have done had some of the board not bottled the appointment of Hoddle. As we know the vocal minority were responsible for influencing the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 How will this apparent 'zero tolerance' approach to egotistical players affect our ability to compete with the best in the championship and premier league given that you need a smattering of 'big headed' players to succeed in this game? Just wondering. One word: Lawrie McMenemy. Certainly seemed to be able to massage the egos of a number of "egos" and "stars" and yet in the meantime make it perfectly clear that he was the Boss and deliver the results. I personally think that team spirit, togetherness and having everyone pulling in the same direction is worth much more than one or two skillful egos ruling the roost (Fergie & what he has achieved vs the Man City approach). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint-Armstrong Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 What happened on the Puncheon situation was basically, he saw us as a stepping stone and wasn't fully pulling his weight, Adkins and Crosby don't see Saints as a stepping stobe, it's their big project. Pardew was aiming to use us as a stepping stone too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 (edited) What happened on the Puncheon situation was basically, he saw us as a stepping stone and wasn't fully pulling his weight, Adkins and Crosby don't see Saints as a stepping stobe, it's their big project. Pardew was aiming to use us as a stepping stone too. Player at wanting to play at a higher level shocker, I assume AOC is all so a bad'un as his dad wants him to move on to play at the highest level. The days of local lads playing all their football lives at a local club are long gone (if indeed they ever exsisted at all). Edited 15 May, 2011 by doddisalegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 What happened on the Puncheon situation was basically, he saw us as a stepping stone and wasn't fully pulling his weight, Adkins and Crosby don't see Saints as a stepping stobe, it's their big project. Pardew was aiming to use us as a stepping stone too. That's really just your speculation. To be honest though what player signs for a div 1 club and doesn't see it as a stepping stone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 That's really just your speculation. To be honest though what player signs for a div 1 club and doesn't see it as a stepping stone? Think you will find that most of our players signed with the intention of taking the club to The Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 Think you will find that most of our players signed with the intention of taking the club to The Premier League. Really? according to some on here most of them aren't even good enough for the championship let alone the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 Think you will find that most of our players signed with the intention of taking the club to The Premier League. I think that's pretty naive. Players are in it for themselves - they don't have the blind loyalty of fans and who can blame them? In the majority of cases a player will move to a higher division if they get the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 I think that's pretty naive. Players are in it for themselves - they don't have the blind loyalty of fans and who can blame them? In the majority of cases a player will move to a higher division if they get the chance. Of course they are in it for themselves, that doesn't mean they didn't sign with the intent of getting Saints promoted to the Premier League - that's the plan they would have been sold. For most of them their best chance of playing Prem football and getting really rich is through getting promoted next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 Really? according to some on here most of them aren't even good enough for the championship let alone the PL. Most on here know f*ck-all. I don't think Cortese has signed one player that they didn't think could play Championship level. This season they will only sign players who can hack it in the Prem IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 Personally I'd say generally speaking we're in a world of trouble if we blindly trust and believe people without asking questions. I've no great desire to be a sheep. All your accusations are based upon your own assumptions - you say "clearly Adkins hates him", no he just said he wouldn't recall him. You say he was made to train with the youth team - that's the first I've heard of it and wouldn't be surprised if you'd made it up. You say his body language is atrocious - well that's a question of perception. What do base that on? Are you qualified in that area or is it based on the fact he didn't run very fast when you him wanted to? I've no problem with Adkins not wanting him around - as manager that's his job. I'm not going to label the guy and slag him off though unless it's in a conversation based upon his ability as a footballer. Cüntcheon was made to train with the youth team. Fact. F*****g right too IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 Scott, you seem to keep misspelling 'Puncheon' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolution saint Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 Cüntcheon was made to train with the youth team. Fact. F*****g right too IMHO. Saying FACT after supposition doesn't make it true. Instead it makes you look stupid as does misspelling someones name to make it look like a swearword. It's not big, it's not clever and it makes you look as if you still go to school....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgerBadger Posted 15 May, 2011 Share Posted 15 May, 2011 Makes my heart sing that the balance of power is with the club and as with Man U, dosen't matter how good you are you can feck off if you have a bad attitude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 16 May, 2011 Share Posted 16 May, 2011 Feck does t matter? Puncheon does not want to be here, so hes been sent out on loan and we will probably sell him... end of strory really. Sure its a shame that some players do (speculation) look for short cuts to higher levels, rather than working for a side to achieve it the hard way - with IMHO geater satisfaction of knowing its teh results of hard graft etc, but it does not make him evil. Agents, 'advisors' have probably all played their part in turning his head and that's not exactly uncommon these days. Naturally, Adkins knows that what was needed for promotion from L1 was unity. The sum of the parts etc. If someone, through WHATEVER reason, does not fit with that approach, it causes a fall out... player moves on...thats life... no need for fans to start the spoilt child bit call him all things under the sun.... best approach is to show him what he's been missing... and get him to question his attitude or that of his advisors... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintscottofthenortham Posted 16 May, 2011 Share Posted 16 May, 2011 Saying FACT after supposition doesn't make it true. Instead it makes you look stupid as does misspelling someones name to make it look like a swearword. It's not big, it's not clever and it makes you look as if you still go to school....... There is no suspicion about it, He trained with the youth team. As for the rest of your post... yawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 16 May, 2011 Share Posted 16 May, 2011 This has crossed my mi d but from what I have heard it was Punchhim's complete show of disrespect towards the club that has resulted in the position we are now in, rather than his general ego. Pretty much all footballers have an ego to some extent, but fair play to NA & NC for making a stand and letting our players know there is no one player bigger than the team. Can't wait to play Punchhim next Season. Cocky little c*nt. IMHO, it would be a disaster to bring him back to St Mary's. His whole attitude is completely wrong, and a very disruptive influence on the rest of the Squad Being crude, if you find an unwelcome Turd hanging around the place, it's pointless just using Air Freshener..... you have to REMOVE the source of the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 16 May, 2011 Share Posted 16 May, 2011 It is probably not a zero tolerance policy more like NA wasn't that arsed in trying to keep JP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidshokk Posted 16 May, 2011 Share Posted 16 May, 2011 Urgh. Had a lengthy dream last night that Adkins was teaching me in a classroom and we had a massive argument. He was very strict. Ended up in a food fight involving only tomatoes. I got him a good'un in the neck. Make of that what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurosaint Posted 16 May, 2011 Share Posted 16 May, 2011 Some of you guys are playing 'devil's advocate' here ! Rightly or wrongly, Puncheon was perceived as disruptive by those in charge, therefore strong action had to be taken ! It is also clear that he does not want to play for Saints so the only solution is to flog him and move on........ I'd be amazed if there was even a whimper of protest about this and for sure he will get dog's abuse next time he visits SMS playing for the opposition ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 16 May, 2011 Share Posted 16 May, 2011 Can't wait for Puncheon to return with Barnsley or Doncaster etc and get regular choruses of "Southampton Reject" and "That's why we let you go" every time he skies a shot (so we'll be singing it plenty). Boo his every touch as well. On a related note, delighted to see Kenwyne Jones mess up the biggest moment of his career on Saturday, another player with a shocking attitude, Players move and I can't understand why our fans have booed some ex-players who have served us well or we've made a profit on but Puncheon or Jones deserve what they get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 16 May, 2011 Share Posted 16 May, 2011 Can't wait for Puncheon to return with Barnsley or Doncaster etc and get regular choruses of "Southampton Reject" and "That's why we let you go" every time he skies a shot (so we'll be singing it plenty). Boo his every touch as well. On a related note, delighted to see Kenwyne Jones mess up the biggest moment of his career on Saturday, another player with a shocking attitude, Players move and I can't understand why our fans have booed some ex-players who have served us well or we've made a profit on but Puncheon or Jones deserve what they get. In fairness he was getting that when he was playing for us, maybe it would unsettle him more to get cheered and roundly clapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 16 May, 2011 Share Posted 16 May, 2011 This thread is b@ll@cks, Saints approach is no different to any other club. Pucheon couldn't handle the fact that a 17 year old kid was doing a better job than him. His ego would allow him yo sit on the bench so he went out on loan - the same would probably happen anywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 16 May, 2011 Share Posted 16 May, 2011 In fairness he was getting that when he was playing for us, maybe it would unsettle him more to get cheered and roundly clapped. Nice one - it probably would! Booing never put the likes of Phillips or Shearer off scoring against us (former deserved booing IMO but not the latter) but it did put some players off, notably Anderton or Berkovic, whose performances against us after he left were very ineffective. Mind you, he could probably barely see straight after John Hartson volleyed him in the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 16 May, 2011 Author Share Posted 16 May, 2011 This thread is b@ll@cks, At least I'm consistently sh1te. Credit where credit's due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutwood2 Posted 16 May, 2011 Share Posted 16 May, 2011 What do the rest of the players think of Puncheon? Anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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