1976_Child Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Lowe out. Anyone agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Farmer Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Lowe out. Anyone agree? Have been of this opinion for a decade now. Like Lowe, I don't change my opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Have been of this opinion for a decade now. Like Lowe, I don't change my opinions. Also a decade man here too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexstar Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Can't see how it would change anything, we would still be up **** creek without a paddle financially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Also a decade man here too. lots have the 10 year itch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 24 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Can't see how it would change anything, we would still be up **** creek without a paddle financially. yeah, but at least we would have the momentary joy seeing him clear his desk. I restate my opinion: if he is still drawing a fat salary then he should be hounded out sooner rather than later. Why should he get rich while he sells of the club's players? Its like that idiot Fred Goodwin who, until recently, was the boss of RBS. He paid himself eye-watering bonuses while screwing up the business. And when the sh!te hits the fan he just walks off into the sunset. It is morally wrong. Lowe needs to stop taking a salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Replaced by who exactly? Michael, Leon, who? Do you want a club or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 24 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Replaced by who exactly? Michael, Leon, who? Do you want a club or not? For Ducks Sake, I could do the job better than Lowe. And yes, I do want a club but if he keeps selling/loaning players who at least know how to kick the football into the goal then we are doomed anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanh Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Loads of people will agree with you, but unless you can either find a buyer for his shares or find a better candidate who is endorsed by a larger shareholder I don't see how just saying 'Lowe out!' is going to have any affect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 You wont find many takers on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Loads of people will agree with you, but unless you can either find a buyer for his shares or find a better candidate who is endorsed by a larger shareholder I don't see how just saying 'Lowe out!' is going to have any affect. AND in one you have summed up why people are turning away, cannot be assed etc all hope has been wiped out by our set up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BotleySaint Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 The heart and soul have been ripped out of the playing squad. We are the equivalent of a League 1 side now in terms of quality. I can't see us staying up. Was this REALLY the only way out of the situation we are in? But until there is a better option, we'll have to accept Lowe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Can't see how it would change anything, we would still be up **** creek without a paddle financially. Would go someway to winning back a lot of fans, if we get 20k+ every week things would start to look a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 24 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 24 October, 2008 But until there is a better option, we'll have to accept Lowe. Unfortunately I agree, although i don't "accept" him. Unless someone is prepared to buy his shares at the price he wants - which is going to be considerably higher than the 25p they are at now - then Lowe is going to be with us for ever. What a depressing thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sambosa75 Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Would go someway to winning back a lot of fans, if we get 20k+ every week things would start to look a lot better. Thats just it though. The common misconception that every one holds belief in who wants to see the back of Lowe. It really wouldnt bring the fans back. Well, maybe for 1 or maybe 2 home games, the performances would still be the same however as we are playing with kids, most of which arent particularly special which in turn would begin to see the decline in attendance figures yet again. That really isnt Rupert Lowe's fault however. I remember a couple of years back 90% of fans practically baying for Rupert Lowe's blood in order for someone... ANYONE!!! to ride in on a white horse and takeover the reigns. Well my friends, you all got your wish and like it or not, IT IS A DIRECT RESULT OF THE POSITION WE FIND OURSELVES IN NOW. Rupert Lowe is not the architect of our current predicament. I agree, we might not have invested as heavily as we all liked back in 2003 and yes, he was chairman when we were relegated to this division. There is an awful lot of good that Rpert Lowe has overseen too but we all seem more than willing to look beyond that and simply focus on the negatives. How about we look at this particular negative for a moment... It was NOT Rupert Lowe that ploughed £8m in to the team in an all or nothing attempt at getting us promoted. It is that money that we are missing, nay craving for now and Rupert Lowe is simply the man who is not afraid of making the tough decisions with regards to finding the least bit of stability in the clubs finances. If it werent necessary to sell all we had sold, I really dont think Lowe is evil enough to simply go out and sell them anyway. I understand a lot of people feel they need a scapegoat but it seems a lot of these statements have been made in wake of Stern John's transfer to Bristol City. Here we had a player probably on anything up to £10k a week, not getting a look-in in the first team. Right or wrong, other players are ahead of him in the pecking order. Are we as a club expected to simply let him not play but collect his wages which will be amongst the higher ones being paid, or get him shipped out and save ourselves the expense of having an expensive player not adding anything to or benefitting the club? Man United had to sell Gabi Heinze for a similar reason. They werent prepared to pay him as he wanted out so they let him go to Real Madrid. If Man Utd cant afford to carry dead-wood... what gives us the right to do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1976_Child Posted 24 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 24 October, 2008 I understand a lot of people feel they need a scapegoat but it seems a lot of these statements have been made in wake of Stern John's transfer to Bristol City. Here we had a player probably on anything up to £10k a week, not getting a look-in in the first team. Right or wrong, other players are ahead of him in the pecking order. Are we as a club expected to simply let him not play but collect his wages which will be amongst the higher ones being paid, or get him shipped out and save ourselves the expense of having an expensive player not adding anything to or benefitting the club? Man United had to sell Gabi Heinze for a similar reason. They werent prepared to pay him as he wanted out so they let him go to Real Madrid. If Man Utd cant afford to carry dead-wood... what gives us the right to do it? You've missed the point. I, and no doubt a lot of others, don't want to pay Stern to sit on the bench. We want to pay him to be in the starting eleven. You don't win football games unless you score goals and the youngsters are not yet very good at doing that! Stern may be a yard slower than the youngsters but he DOES know how to find the net and has had a career behind him to give him the experience to do it again. The reason I am so p!ssed off with Lowe is that he is now cutting into muscle. And I am on record for supporting his cost-cutting program. But this is now too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourno Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Lowe out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 The heart and soul have been ripped out of the playing squad. We are the equivalent of a League 1 side now in terms of quality. I can't see us staying up. Was this REALLY the only way out of the situation we are in? But until there is a better option, we'll have to accept Lowe. No we don't. In the same way we didn't have to accept Branfoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Man United had to sell Gabi Heinze for a similar reason. They werent prepared to pay him as he wanted out so they let him go to Real Madrid. If Man Utd cant afford to carry dead-wood... what gives us the right to do it? That's right. Well done Rupert. Anyway, about Pulis and Gasmi....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 That really isnt Rupert Lowe's fault however. I remember a couple of years back 90% of fans practically baying for Rupert Lowe's blood in order for someone... ANYONE!!! to ride in on a white horse and takeover the reigns. Well my friends, you all got your wish and like it or not, IT IS A DIRECT RESULT OF THE POSITION WE FIND OURSELVES IN NOW. How about we look at this particular negative for a moment... It was NOT Rupert Lowe that ploughed £8m in to the team in an all or nothing attempt at getting us promoted. It is that money that we are missing, nay craving for now and Rupert Lowe is simply the man who is not afraid of making the tough decisions with regards to finding the least bit of stability in the clubs finances. This person who casued all these problems, is it not the man that Lowe has installed as The Football Club Chairman? and is his new business partner Was that one of the tough decisions that he's "not afraid of making". Was sacking NP one of those "tough decisions" as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 (edited) I would be happy for Lowe to go if there was somebody who was capable of getting uds out of the mire, forget not we have already sampled the 'anybody but Lowe' period. We need to rid the club if the whole lot not just 1 man, he is just the front of the whole rotten lot IMO I still think he is doing what needs to be done to stave off the administrators. Could the club really withstand a minus 10 point deduction? I beleieve we would go down quicker than a 10 bob whore Edited 24 October, 2008 by OldNick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Lowey and Wildey should do the honourable thing and at least step aside. Until they do go please stop making any more football decisions as you have no idea whatsoever about football. I am not so sure either of you know anything about finances either. Please, please both of you go now and take your little mates with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HILL HEAD SAINT Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Replaced by who exactly? Michael, Leon, who? Do you want a club or not? what club? there is not a lot left, if there was rupert would sell it or loan it as the song goes"the day the music died"well when the duckhunter came to our club the song goes"the day southampton football club died"lets face it were a dead duck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landford.saint Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 It is obvious to me the heart has been ripped out of this club. Few go to matches and no one has the desire anymore to protest about what is happening on and off the pitch. No one can be bothered to protest about Lowe or his cronnies. No one can be bothered about any of it anymore. Simply no one has any fight left in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Unfortunately I agree, although i don't "accept" him. Unless someone is prepared to buy his shares at the price he wants - which is going to be considerably higher than the 25p they are at now - then Lowe is going to be with us for ever. What a depressing thought. It's not just Lowe's shares, the problem, it's all his supporters plus Wilde getting on for 50%. That means having to make the same offer to all shareholders. The best we can hope for in that direction is for Wilde to pull out and leave them exposed again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Replaced by who exactly? Michael, Leon, who? Do you want a club or not? If the only options we have are Lowelife, Weseal Wilde, or Leon Crouch it's obvious Leon should be in charge. He did nothing wrong during his 6 month spell at SFC (much of which was spent get ridding of the useless execs Wilde lumbered us with) and sorting out a club in freefall under Burley. Yes he got it wrong with Dodd and Gorman, but he acted swiftly to put it right and did us proud with Nigel Pearson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Lowe out. Anyone agree? This is a novel idea. We have tried everything else. It might just work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 If the only options we have are Lowelife, Weseal Wilde, or Leon Crouch it's obvious Leon should be in charge. He did nothing wrong during his 6 month spell at SFC (much of which was spent get ridding of the useless execs Wilde lumbered us with) and sorting out a club in freefall under Burley. Yes he got it wrong with Dodd and Gorman, but he acted swiftly to put it right and did us proud with Nigel Pearson. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Shot Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 If the only options we have are Lowelife, Weseal Wilde, or Leon Crouch it's obvious Leon should be in charge. He did nothing wrong during his 6 month spell at SFC (much of which was spent get ridding of the useless execs Wilde lumbered us with) and sorting out a club in freefall under Burley. Yes he got it wrong with Dodd and Gorman, but he acted swiftly to put it right and did us proud with Nigel Pearson. Pretty sound post Stanley, it was a shame that LC took over when things were so dire and he had the unenviable job of trying to rouse the fans with cod PR which was always going to be unplausible. I have no personal contact with Leon Crouch's but mutual friends tell me that he is as passionate as ever about the club and he has been to every away game this season, sometimes travelling by himself, sitting with the fans. They tell me he is prepared to pump more money into paying off our debts but thinks Lowe and Wilde should also contribute. He was devastated when Lowe removed Pearson as he believes Pearson's appointment to be the moment our fortunes turned. Debateable I know but personally I am losing faith with the well-meaning but out-of-his depth JP and would snatch Pearson back now if we had the choice. With the news of Dowie's sacking today I feel I would like to see (as an interim measure) this club chaired by Crouch and managed by Dowie. Not maybe a dream team but certainly one good enough to keep us up. Crouch is not on a power trip apparently and I hear he has no long term ambitions to remain Chair but he is anxious enough to pledge money and time to dig us out of this developing mess. Just my thoughts - no doubt more abuse will arrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fos1 Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 If the only options we have are Lowelife, Weseal Wilde, or Leon Crouch it's obvious Leon should be in charge. He did nothing wrong during his 6 month spell at SFC (much of which was spent get ridding of the useless execs Wilde lumbered us with) and sorting out a club in freefall under Burley. Yes he got it wrong with Dodd and Gorman, but he acted swiftly to put it right and did us proud with Nigel Pearson. Agree 100% Weseal wilde should stick to his strip clubs and get out of ours ASAP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fos1 Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Dowie is of the same mould as Pearson this could work Dowie and Crouch has to be better then what we have at the moment !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 When my friends and myself first started the protests against Lowe (when Wigley was in charge),fans were passionate in their opinions,either for or against. But now most dont seem to care and myself included,seem to have completely lost interest. While Lowe is here,SFC will wither and die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 When my friends and myself first started the protests against Lowe (when Wigley was in charge),fans were passionate in their opinions,either for or against. But now most dont seem to care and myself included,seem to have completely lost interest. While Lowe is here,SFC will wither and die. Agreed, hardly the person who would unite and galvanise the fanbase. None too sure about changing managers mid stream but hey! we've been there before and, with all respect to JP, why not give Dowie a go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Swing Lowe, swing Rupert Lowe Swing him off the Itchen Bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offix Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Pretty sound post Stanley, it was a shame that LC took over when things were so dire and he had the unenviable job of trying to rouse the fans with cod PR which was always going to be unplausible. I have no personal contact with Leon Crouch's but mutual friends tell me that he is as passionate as ever about the club and he has been to every away game this season, sometimes travelling by himself, sitting with the fans. They tell me he is prepared to pump more money into paying off our debts but thinks Lowe and Wilde should also contribute. He was devastated when Lowe removed Pearson as he believes Pearson's appointment to be the moment our fortunes turned. Debateable I know but personally I am losing faith with the well-meaning but out-of-his depth JP and would snatch Pearson back now if we had the choice. With the news of Dowie's sacking today I feel I would like to see (as an interim measure) this club chaired by Crouch and managed by Dowie. Not maybe a dream team but certainly one good enough to keep us up. Crouch is not on a power trip apparently and I hear he has no long term ambitions to remain Chair but he is anxious enough to pledge money and time to dig us out of this developing mess. Just my thoughts - no doubt more abuse will arrive. 100% agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saintandy666 Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Any reasons for this? We don't need another change, our only chance for stability is keeping with this. Stay up and we might just avoid admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 I would be happy for Lowe to go if there was somebody who was capable of getting uds out of the mire, forget not we have already sampled the 'anybody but Lowe' period. We need to rid the club if the whole lot not just 1 man, he is just the front of the whole rotten lot IMO I still think he is doing what needs to be done to stave off the administrators. Could the club really withstand a minus 10 point deduction? I beleieve we would go down quicker than a 10 bob whore We are going down mate,as we are becoming a weaker side by the day.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Any reasons for this? We don't need another change, our only chance for stability is keeping with this. Stay up and we might just avoid admin. Were you saying the same halfway through Wigley's regime????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Crouch and Pearson would have done wonders this season compared to the mess Lowe, Wilde and JP are presiding over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 NP v JP can see the debates RL v LC - my, depressing, view is that neither would be much different -we are already broke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totton Red Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 NP v JP can see the debates RL v LC - my, depressing, view is that neither would be much different -we are already broke you sound like a labour cabinet minister. Surely it is about time you mentioned the word 'global' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the boy from saints Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 NP v JP can see the debates RL v LC - my, depressing, view is that neither would be much different -we are already broke At least there's a chance of attracting investment if Leon's in charge..plus the hope that he might fund a striker out of his own pocket. Something that the mercenary Lowe wouldn't even contemplate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 Any reasons for this? We don't need another change, our only chance for stability is keeping with this. Stay up and we might just avoid admin. There's no stability in the playing squad, is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 you sound like a labour cabinet minister. Surely it is about time you mentioned the word 'global' ?? why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 I do miss Nigel Pearson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totton Red Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 ?? why? because you are finding many more fences to sit on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 24 October, 2008 Share Posted 24 October, 2008 I do miss Nigel Pearson. I miss him more than you. At the Sheffield United game my daughters and this old boy were running around the pitch with our shirts and scarves and flags shouting for Pearson and Stern John to be knighted. I really thought Pearson would have been given a chance..More wages..No chance he has been replaced by several now and on more wages in total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 25 October, 2008 Share Posted 25 October, 2008 For Ducks Sake, I could do the job better than Lowe. And yes, I do want a club but if he keeps selling/loaning players who at least know how to kick the football into the goal then we are doomed anyway. I wouldn't trust you to run a local chip shop...let alone my beloved football club... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 25 October, 2008 Share Posted 25 October, 2008 I would be happy for Lowe to go if there was somebody who was capable of getting uds out of the mire, forget not we have already sampled the 'anybody but Lowe' period. We need to rid the club if the whole lot not just 1 man, he is just the front of the whole rotten lot IMO I still think he is doing what needs to be done to stave off the administrators. Could the club really withstand a minus 10 point deduction? I beleieve we would go down quicker than a 10 bob whore correct... it's so easy to say get rid of Lowe but until we have a serious option as a replacement then let's just leave it be please... oh and alpine i'm sure i remember you having nothing good to say about leon crouch while he was in charge so please let's not hear you claim claim he's the man to sort us out now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 25 October, 2008 Share Posted 25 October, 2008 correct... it's so easy to say get rid of Lowe but until we have a serious option as a replacement then let's just leave it be please... oh and alpine i'm sure i remember you having nothing good to say about leon crouch while he was in charge so please let's not hear you claim claim he's the man to sort us out now... A while back we had a number of alternative routes we could have pursued. We could have gone for an alternative manager to Jan. We could have considered an alternative style of play. We could have brought in alternative players to the 8 or 9 we did. We could have done alot of footballing things differently during the close season. And with regards leadership we could have gone for an alternative set up in the boardroom, but no one, including Crouch, looked beyond themseves as an alternative. We could have looked to have formed a board and leadership that the supporters would have respected, trusted and as a result would have rallied around, but instead the main players fought amongst themselves for control of the hot seat. There were alternatives, and to suggest Lowe, Jan and the youngsters were the only option is naive and simplistic. However, there may well be a case to suggest we are now lumbered with what we have got on and off the pitch. We can live in hope (which is all that is left for many), but Lowe is inextricably linked with Jan and so I see no movement there and I'm not sure the shareholders have the vision or passion to seek out any alternative on or off the pitch. Lowe has certainly made his bed, the only problem is that it's not a praticularly comfortable bed, and few want to share it with him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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