simo Posted 2 April, 2013 Share Posted 2 April, 2013 Who saw Savages amateurish feature on Ricky ? His conclusion was the reasons maybe he shouldn't play for England were his pace , age and because he missed the one on one with Liverpool ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Lungs Posted 2 April, 2013 Share Posted 2 April, 2013 The ITV commentator yesterday tried to pass off Welbeck's poor first touch as deliberate and something he does to fool the defenders. Pundits, commentators... almost all of them are not right in the head. Neither is Woy. Pace = completely pointless argument. His games not about pace besides, it didn't harm Klose or Sheringham, who, like Rickie, have quickness of thought. Age = inconsequential, providing Rickie keeps himself fit. His game isn't going to decline rapidly like Michael Owen's - he doesn't rely on a single, solitary attribute - he's well rounded as a footballer. Liverpool miss - Ridiculous argument. Players miss chances. Rickie's got 14 goals this season and made another 10 (I think?). How's Sturridge and Welbeck getting on? Or Rooney for that matter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 2 April, 2013 Share Posted 2 April, 2013 Who saw Savages amateurish feature on Ricky ? His conclusion was the reasons maybe he shouldn't play for England were his pace , age and because he missed the one on one with Liverpool ! must be difficult for Savage to see past how **** he was when his legs went and he couldn't even run quickly around like a headless chicken anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 2 April, 2013 Share Posted 2 April, 2013 That Liverpool miss was a surprise, but I reckon he was as shocked as anyone to find himself 1 on 1. Looked like he was expecting the offside, and that was just enough of a distraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingwing Posted 2 April, 2013 Share Posted 2 April, 2013 Yeah Savage is an expert pundit that needs to be put on tv more often with expert analysis... He regularly brightens up my day by being paid by the bbc... He's nearly as good as Garth Crooks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olallana Posted 2 April, 2013 Share Posted 2 April, 2013 I dont understand this pace issue... is Englands gameplan these days to counterattack their opponents? Or do they want to dominate the games, have a player that can retain the ball and keep it upfield while other players take runs of him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 2 April, 2013 Share Posted 2 April, 2013 Too much can be made of pace. It's important to have drops of it in a side, but you don't need pace in every single position. You need someone with a good football head and touch, and a good touch combined with a good brain can often open up much more than raw pace can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry hurlock Posted 2 April, 2013 Share Posted 2 April, 2013 Plus he's scoring all these premiership goals against international defenders/goalkeepers every week. Why isn't that good enough for England? When he'd have better 'so called' players around him? That savage piece on him was the laziest segment of punditry. Embarrassing how people get paid to provide us with that superb insight into the game. Thank god for sky+ so I can forward all the drivel on MOTD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 2 April, 2013 Share Posted 2 April, 2013 Would like Neville's thoughts, not that pillock. He came across as totally clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted 2 April, 2013 Share Posted 2 April, 2013 I thought Savage concluded that Rickie deserved a chance? A U-turn from his 606 position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted 2 April, 2013 Share Posted 2 April, 2013 Who saw Savages amateurish feature on Ricky ? His conclusion was the reasons maybe he shouldn't play for England were his pace , age and because he missed the one on one with Liverpool ! Yep, a bit like Van Persie can miss a sitter in front of goal and baloon over the bar against Chelsea in the cup on Monday. Any foward can miss a so called easy chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 Would like Neville's thoughts, not that pillock. He came across as totally clueless. I think Neville is fairly reluctant to discuss specific players playing for England on MNF, with him actually being in the coaching set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 The ITV commentator yesterday tried to pass off Welbeck's poor first touch as deliberate and something he does to fool the defenders. Pundits, commentators... almost all of them are not right in the head. Neither is Woy. Pace = completely pointless argument. His games not about pace besides, it didn't harm Klose or Sheringham, who, like Rickie, have quickness of thought. Age = inconsequential, providing Rickie keeps himself fit. His game isn't going to decline rapidly like Michael Owen's - he doesn't rely on a single, solitary attribute - he's well rounded as a footballer. Liverpool miss - Ridiculous argument. Players miss chances. Rickie's got 14 goals this season and made another 10 (I think?). How's Sturridge and Welbeck getting on? Or Rooney for that matter... good analysis Crab Lungs, why aren't you on TV..or is it because you're speaking TOO much common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Saint Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 That Liverpool miss was a surprise, but I reckon he was as shocked as anyone to find himself 1 on 1. Looked like he was expecting the offside, and that was just enough of a distraction. Without a doubt! Even from the Chapel you could see him get the ball while running forwards, look to the line to see the Lino running long "beside" him with him flag down in front of him, you could see the comedy double take go through his mind, by which time he had closed himself down. As Gary Neville said on MNF "Rickie is a player who will not blink when the situation arises". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delboy Dave Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 The reason why Srl didn't score that 1 on 1 against Liverpool is because he didn't want to score against his team. His free kick was tame at best and not intended to go in the net, and when it did note his muted celebrations... Edit - typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 This reminds me of England's failure to select MLT back in the 90s. I'm now hoping the national team fails to qualify for Brazil 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 I thought Savage concluded that Rickie deserved a chance? A U-turn from his 606 position. he did, so a lot of clueless people on here who didnt even see it. I think Savage's assessment was fair, people go about pace - and thats what people go on about! So to suggest SRL has is ridiculous, all Savage was doing was pointing out that he has none, which is of course true. Didnt like the one on one assessment, you could take any player and find the same example, but overall, I think Savage was right when it he said it really comes down to the second season. Grant Holt was firing last year, this year he has been ****e. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 This reminds me of England's failure to select MLT back in the 90s. I'm now hoping the national team fails to qualify for Brazil 2014. what because Rickie Lambert isn't in it? Jesus, i really think that if Lambert is in the England squad going to Brazil then we might as well not bother going anyway. I think Lambert is great, I compare his game to Rooney but when are England going to wake up, appoint a progressive manager that can bring the young players through and have the bottle to disgard the dinosaurs that have frankly won f - all for this country. We should be picking J Rod over Lambert anyday! The likes of Jack Cork, Luke Shaw, Sterling, OXC, Walcott should be in the squad, not Rickie Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 That Liverpool miss was a surprise, but I reckon he was as shocked as anyone to find himself 1 on 1. Looked like he was expecting the offside, and that was just enough of a distraction. Rodriguez would've scored it. He seems to be much better at in-the-box chances than Lambert these days, who's turning into more of a midfielder every game. Obviously still world class in front of goal, don't get me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 Pace is a great asset if you know what to do with it and and can actually control the ball in full motion. The likes of Danny Wellbeck have abundance of pace but have little control and composure to compliment it. Rickie is very good technically which is definitely something England lack. Talk of Andy Carroll returning to England fold after scoring 2 goals is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didcot Saint Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 what because Rickie Lambert isn't in it? Jesus, i really think that if Lambert is in the England squad going to Brazil then we might as well not bother going anyway. I think Lambert is great, I compare his game to Rooney but when are England going to wake up, appoint a progressive manager that can bring the young players through and have the bottle to disgard the dinosaurs that have frankly won f - all for this country. We should be picking J Rod over Lambert anyday! The likes of Jack Cork, Luke Shaw, Sterling, OXC, Walcott should be in the squad, not Rickie Lambert. Your right Noodles. The trouble is Roy is trying this with youngsters like Wellbeck but he is, quite frankly nowhere near good enough. The fact that he plays for Man Utd helps his cause. If Wellbeck played for us or Norwich, there is no way he would be playing for England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFSFC Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 what because Rickie Lambert isn't in it? Jesus, i really think that if Lambert is in the England squad going to Brazil then we might as well not bother going anyway. I think Lambert is great, I compare his game to Rooney but when are England going to wake up, appoint a progressive manager that can bring the young players through and have the bottle to disgard the dinosaurs that have frankly won f - all for this country. We should be picking J Rod over Lambert anyday! The likes of Jack Cork, Luke Shaw, Sterling, OXC, Walcott should be in the squad, not Rickie Lambert. Quite frankly this is utter garbage. You are a fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 They've just been talking about this on this week's Football Ramble. Savage isn't really a puzzle. He's employed because he goes off on one on 606. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 Your right Noodles. The trouble is Roy is trying this with youngsters like Wellbeck but he is, quite frankly nowhere near good enough. The fact that he plays for Man Utd helps his cause. If Wellbeck played for us or Norwich, there is no way he would be playing for England. It is tough for the manager though. The youngsters just arent very good. Cleverley, Welbeck, Chamberlain, Rodwell, Shelvey, Henderson, Carroll have all been given a chance and have been distincly average. They don't play week in week out which means they don't get any momentum together. I agree that the 'old guard' of Cole, Gerrard, Lampard, Rio, Terry should all be cast aside and we should move on from that, but then you can't bring in someone like Lambert who is the same age. We're obviously bias, but I personally believe that Clyne, Shaw and Cork would definitely add something to the team, and the J-Rod of the last few games would as well along with an on song Lallana. But It doesn't surprise me that this hasn't yet happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 They've just been talking about this on this week's Football Ramble. Savage isn't really a puzzle. He's employed because he goes off on one on 606. I wonder if anyone is a fan of his hostile arguing and shouting down `conversations'? I just switch the radio off. If we really must pay lots of ex footballers to talk about football can't we pay the intelligent ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 Quite frankly this is utter garbage. You are a fool. well said, please expand if you are indeed capable, or have we seen your limit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wild-saint Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 well said, please expand if you are indeed capable, or have we seen your limit? no need to expand i think we all understand why he said it. It is utter garbage. Would you drop Rickie for a promsing young saints academy player? Progression is the way forward but not at the complete neglect of short term goals. we need a balance between on form players today and the potential for the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 what because Rickie Lambert isn't in it? Jesus, i really think that if Lambert is in the England squad going to Brazil then we might as well not bother going anyway. I think Lambert is great, I compare his game to Rooney but when are England going to wake up, appoint a progressive manager that can bring the young players through and have the bottle to disgard the dinosaurs that have frankly won f - all for this country. We should be picking J Rod over Lambert anyday! The likes of Jack Cork, Luke Shaw, Sterling, OXC, Walcott should be in the squad, not Rickie Lambert. How thick are you noodles. Lambert is the talisman all the team look up to. You are talking rubbish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pap Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 It's very simple. The apex of international football is the World Cup. That happens next year. I don't care whether Lambo is a long term prospect. If he can help us at the World Cup, I want him there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 Most of its been said but, unless I have missed it, no-one has drawn attention that even before Saturday Lambert was officially the fourth best attacking player in Europe. I imagine Messi is one of the three above him but yes when it comes to creating goalscoring opportunities Ricky had 62 to his name before Saturday putting him 4th in the list from Europe's top 5 leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 I don't expect SRL to be picked for England as if he does well that would leave Hodgson a problem. He is trying to get a young nucleus and is trying to sidestep older players. As for Savage, for him to know anything about quality on the ball is like DI Canio speaking about the merits of Socialism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 no need to expand i think we all understand why he said it. It is utter garbage. Would you drop Rickie for a promsing young saints academy player? Progression is the way forward but not at the complete neglect of short term goals. we need a balance between on form players today and the potential for the future Yeah, that's how Germany looked at it, Lahm and Klose aside. Utter garbage eh, yeah, they're ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 (edited) How thick are you noodles. Lambert is the talisman all the team look up to. You are talking rubbish Come back with a point. So Lambert should be in the England team because the likes of Gerrard and even Walcott will look up to him a talisman, heard it all now, LMFAO Jesus, this board is so full of nobbers. Edited 3 April, 2013 by Noodles34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 Its funny how at one time or another, just about every English player we have has had a serious shout for place (and one has made it, and that was really worthwhile, sure all the Saints fans felt so much pride seeing AL warm the bench), we could build a team for England. Davis in goal has been a shout, obviously we have the two full backs, no doubt at one time or another Aaron Martin has been mentioned, tbf I am struggling with another CB, then you have Cork, Puncheon, Lallana in midfield with Rickie and J Rod up front. Viva England, we are Saints, we are so ****ing great that all our players should be playing for England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dig Dig Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 Its funny how at one time or another, just about every English player we have has had a serious shout for place (and one has made it, and that was really worthwhile, sure all the Saints fans felt so much pride seeing AL warm the bench), we could build a team for England. Davis in goal has been a shout, obviously we have the two full backs, no doubt at one time or another Aaron Martin has been mentioned, tbf I am struggling with another CB, then you have Cork, Puncheon, Lallana in midfield with Rickie and J Rod up front. Viva England, we are Saints, we are so ****ing great that all our players should be playing for England. Regarding Lambert though, do you not think he's in the top 4 or 5 English strikers around at the moment? Despite his age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 Its funny how at one time or another, just about every English player we have has had a serious shout for place (and one has made it, and that was really worthwhile, sure all the Saints fans felt so much pride seeing AL warm the bench), we could build a team for England. Davis in goal has been a shout, obviously we have the two full backs, no doubt at one time or another Aaron Martin has been mentioned, tbf I am struggling with another CB, then you have Cork, Puncheon, Lallana in midfield with Rickie and J Rod up front. Viva England, we are Saints, we are so ****ing great that all our players should be playing for England. How on earth have you left Chaplow out? And Seaborne at front sweeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearsy Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 Most of its been said but, unless I have missed it, no-one has drawn attention that even before Saturday Lambert was officially the fourth best attacking player in Europe. I imagine Messi is one of the three above him but yes when it comes to creating goalscoring opportunities Ricky had 62 to his name before Saturday putting him 4th in the list from Europe's top 5 leagues. no offences but this don't seem to be true yo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dronskisaint Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 I wonder if anyone is a fan of his hostile arguing and shouting down `conversations'? I just switch the radio off. If we really must pay lots of ex footballers to talk about football can't we pay the intelligent ones? Worryingly that is almost word for word how I described his 606 Saturday sheite - petulant self-satisfied pr*ck that embarrasses his own co-presenter...unusually I didn't turn him off but only because the focal subject was Saints related. He usually gets the Redcrap treatment...instant off button! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 what because Rickie Lambert isn't in it? Jesus, i really think that if Lambert is in the England squad going to Brazil then we might as well not bother going anyway. I think Lambert is great, I compare his game to Rooney but when are England going to wake up, appoint a progressive manager that can bring the young players through and have the bottle to disgard the dinosaurs that have frankly won f - all for this country. We should be picking J Rod over Lambert anyday! The likes of Jack Cork, Luke Shaw, Sterling, OXC, Walcott should be in the squad, not Rickie Lambert. THIS is what winds me up about so many England fans. Play your best f**king team. By playing your best team you have a better chance of winning matches. If the "dinosaurs" are deemed to be better than the youngsters....then f**k the youngsters, they can wait their turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted 3 April, 2013 Share Posted 3 April, 2013 Its funny how at one time or another, just about every English player we have has had a serious shout for place (and one has made it, and that was really worthwhile, sure all the Saints fans felt so much pride seeing AL warm the bench), we could build a team for England. Davis in goal has been a shout, obviously we have the two full backs, no doubt at one time or another Aaron Martin has been mentioned, tbf I am struggling with another CB, then you have Cork, Puncheon, Lallana in midfield with Rickie and J Rod up front. Viva England, we are Saints, we are so ****ing great that all our players should be playing for England. Possibly the most stupid post ever. Do go and support Pompey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 4 April, 2013 Share Posted 4 April, 2013 Possibly the most stupid post ever. Do go and support Pompey. Good reply Roger, you were almost credible, but alas, you revert to type! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 4 April, 2013 Share Posted 4 April, 2013 Regarding Lambert though, do you not think he's in the top 4 or 5 English strikers around at the moment? Despite his age. Yeah, no question about that, but is Lambert the future for England? Are Gerrard and Lampard? Depends what you want out of your national side, keep the world class players in sure, but how many of them have we got? People like Roger would obviously suggest that Rickie is, but in the real world we know that is not the case. Basically we haven't got any anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Appy Posted 4 April, 2013 Share Posted 4 April, 2013 Yeah, no question about that, but is Lambert the future for England? Are Gerrard and Lampard? Depends what you want out of your national side, keep the world class players in sure, but how many of them have we got? People like Roger would obviously suggest that Rickie is, but in the real world we know that is not the case. Basically we haven't got any anymore. World class? Hart and Ashley Cole probably. Wilshere not too far off, that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy Posted 4 April, 2013 Share Posted 4 April, 2013 Yeah, no question about that, but is Lambert the future for England? Are Gerrard and Lampard? Depends what you want out of your national side, keep the world class players in sure, but how many of them have we got? People like Roger would obviously suggest that Rickie is, but in the real world we know that is not the case. Basically we haven't got any anymore. Why are you obsessed with 'the future'? What is it in the future you'd want an England manager building for? The World Cup surely?? As it stands I think lambert in 12 months time will still be one of England's top 4 or 5 strikers, which is when the World Cup is, so he should go. It really is simple. Then bin him off because you start building the next 4 year plan which lambert won't be part of. But right now, he's worth a shout and still will be in 12 months. By all means make a case that his style won't suit England, but to ignore him for some ever distant future is utterly ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 4 April, 2013 Share Posted 4 April, 2013 Its funny how at one time or another, just about every English player we have has had a serious shout for place (and one has made it, and that was really worthwhile, sure all the Saints fans felt so much pride seeing AL warm the bench), we could build a team for England. Davis in goal has been a shout, obviously we have the two full backs, no doubt at one time or another Aaron Martin has been mentioned, tbf I am struggling with another CB, then you have Cork, Puncheon, Lallana in midfield with Rickie and J Rod up front. Viva England, we are Saints, we are so ****ing great that all our players should be playing for England. I have seen over the years some of our best players ruined by an England call up and the disappointment of not playing or dropped quickly. David Armstrong was one of the best midfielders around, he got to play a game for England and played out of position, never to be picked again. MLt ...well that is just a travesty. im happy for none to be picked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graffito Posted 4 April, 2013 Share Posted 4 April, 2013 Yeah, no question about that, but is Lambert the future for England? Are Gerrard and Lampard? Depends what you want out of your national side, keep the world class players in sure, but how many of them have we got? People like Roger would obviously suggest that Rickie is, but in the real world we know that is not the case. Basically we haven't got any anymore. I recognise what Germany has done but as I understand it that was a radical root and branch change. England isn't there yet, may never be, with implementing what Germany has and you can't build for the future with first team selections alone. But Germany's isn't the only approach nor is Germany the most successful football nation.The very valid point being made by several posters which you do not seem to acknowledge is that football is played and won in the present not in the future which for England is some elusive future which never arrives. I'm all for Lambert being selected for one or both of the upcoming friendliest. I think the reason he may not be is nothing to do with his ability (he is well good enough for that lot) but is the way England tries to play. Rooney won't get dropped for Lambert and Hodgson appears to favour pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles34 Posted 4 April, 2013 Share Posted 4 April, 2013 So I guess everyone on here agrees that Grant Holt should have played for England all last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 4 April, 2013 Share Posted 4 April, 2013 So I guess everyone on here agrees that Grant Holt should have played for England all last season? There's always an 'unfashionable' striker who doesn't get called up. I've always thought in form players should get called up. Doesn't matter who they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 4 April, 2013 Share Posted 4 April, 2013 no offences but this don't seem to be true yo It most certainly is. Reported in the Guradian on saturday amongst other places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 4 April, 2013 Share Posted 4 April, 2013 :)Rikeeee for England...along with Jay Rod, Clyne, Shaw,Cork,Punch,Lallana:) Would win as many games ..if not more than England manage. Come on Mr Hodgson...Rikeee is our Roy of the Rovers:D:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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