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After the 1st test, Shane Warne wrote this in one of the most deluded blogs I think I have ever read. Normally respect his cricket views immensely, but he was well wide of the mark writing up this dross. And so it has proved.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/theashes/10181374/Ashes-2013-England-were-lucky-and-Australia-can-still-win-this-series.html

 

Still lucky Shane? Australia still with the momentum? :lol:

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Wow that Warne article is a piece of work. I rate him as one of the best commentators and is surprisingly impartial (most of the commentators here are very one-eyed) but this article really shows what a deluded fool he is.

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Nice one, Warney. Have you been sniffing the make-up Lizzie gives you too wear too much ?

 

Are you getting the next plane back to our prison colony like your good buddy Glen ?

You do not really know him do you!

 

At Hampshire game a member went to the Steward to say his son and his friend wanted Warne's signature as they were great fans of his bowling. The steward asked Warne who said he had to do something first to do with the team but would come back. 15 minutes later Warne was sat between the two kids chatting and it absolutely made their day. This is one of many stories I can tell about Warne and other players and officials

 

Warne was one of the greatest players of all time.

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Pattinson ruled out of the rest of the series. He's shown he's a fairly decent bowler, and he can bat a bit too. Can only be good news for us, weakens them even further (if that is possible :lol:)
Shame, I want to beat their best team, not give them excuses when they lose.
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Think Siddle and Harris would be more of a loss, Pattinson looks decent at times, but can be erratic, similar to Finn, very good with the bat though.

 

Pattinson is a super bowler if he gets in his stride, much better than Siddle. Fortunately he's not adapted to the conditions. The one thing Siddle does possess that none of their other pace bowlers really have is the ability to do long long stints with the ball. He will keep on running in. The others are a little fragile.

 

Harris would be an immense loss to them. He is their consistant go to man (like Glenn McGrath & Stuart Clarke) who will alway put the ball in the right places. Harris though is the most fragile of the bowlers and would have had a lot more tests for Australia had it not been for constant injuries.

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He's been their best player so far IMO. Anyone know who they're bringing in? Starc really didn't look test quality at all.

 

Some argument for them to play two spinners at OT, they would still have Siddle Harris & Watson as Seam attack and Bumble kept telling us about the Young Left arm tweaker taking loads of wickets up there.

 

Agar has potential but as long as he keeps overspinning not round spinning the ball he is no great threat in the way that Swann is.

 

Think they have to play Lyon up there whatever happens

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You do not really know him do you!

 

At Hampshire game a member went to the Steward to say his son and his friend wanted Warne's signature as they were great fans of his bowling. The steward asked Warne who said he had to do something first to do with the team but would come back. 15 minutes later Warne was sat between the two kids chatting and it absolutely made their day. This is one of many stories I can tell about Warne and other players and officials

 

Warne was one of the greatest players of all time.

 

I have no doubt he is a top bloke and he was a fantastic cricketer.

 

But like all Aussies, he becomes a whining bitter begrudging old woman when it comes to recognising the achievements of the England team

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Some argument for them to play two spinners at OT, they would still have Siddle Harris & Watson as Seam attack and Bumble kept telling us about the Young Left arm tweaker taking loads of wickets up there.

 

Agar has potential but as long as he keeps overspinning not round spinning the ball he is no great threat in the way that Swann is.

 

Think they have to play Lyon up there whatever happens

 

Agar isn't a very good bowler despite the hype. Lyon's is by far the better bowler and can certainly feel hard done by.

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Agar isn't a very good bowler despite the hype. Lyon's is by far the better bowler and can certainly feel hard done by.

 

This ^

 

I've always thought Lyon was a very handy spinner, nothing amazingly special but handy nonetheless. For a spinner who averages 33 (pretty much the same as Panesar) with the ball to be dropped for a 19 year old with no test experience and only 12 first class games is a disgrace. Lyon will never be a match winner but will always tend to chip in with wickets.

 

 

The whole selection process for the Aussies leaves a lot to be desired. The latest I've heard is that Matthew Wade may be called up as a specialist batsman (Haddin to keep the wicket keeper duties). He averages 34 with the bat (same as Haddin). There really is an issue of batsmen for Australia. Only Clarke has a test average of over 40 in the Australian team and adding Matthew Wade to the list isn't going to help them.

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This ^

 

I've always thought Lyon was a very handy spinner, nothing amazingly special but handy nonetheless. For a spinner who averages 33 (pretty much the same as Panesar) with the ball to be dropped for a 19 year old with no test experience and only 12 first class games is a disgrace. Lyon will never be a match winner but will always tend to chip in with wickets.

 

It was transparently done with a view to bolstering the tail. TBH they could probably do worse than picking Agar as a middle order bat and pick Lyon as well, maybe drop Hughes. Whatever they do with their batting order it will be shockingly poor. So many of their players have such glaring deficiencies.

 

Do we know if Warner is expected to be welcomed back any time soon?

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It was transparently done with a view to bolstering the tail. TBH they could probably do worse than picking Agar as a middle order bat and pick Lyon as well, maybe drop Hughes. Whatever they do with their batting order it will be shockingly poor. So many of their players have such glaring deficiencies.

 

Do we know if Warner is expected to be welcomed back any time soon?

 

No way they'd replace Hughes with Agar. However, I'll be delighted to see either on the team sheet at OT.

 

God help them if the England batting lineup clicks into gear.

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It was transparently done with a view to bolstering the tail. TBH they could probably do worse than picking Agar as a middle order bat and pick Lyon as well, maybe drop Hughes. Whatever they do with their batting order it will be shockingly poor. So many of their players have such glaring deficiencies.

 

Do we know if Warner is expected to be welcomed back any time soon?

 

Can't see it happening before the next test. He's just started a 4 day game in South Africa from which I imagine he'd not be in England until at least Sunday or Monday and the

test starts on the Thursday. Wouldn't be the best preparation (would have thought that if he was in contention to play at OT then he'd be playing in the warm up at Hove) but then I didn't expect Agar.

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Warner comes back and goes straight to Hove on Sunday, pretty sure they want him in the side on Thursday, there is no jet lag issue to SA time zone wise and Biz class is pretty comfy these days, he'll be fine

 

IF he scores runs.

 

Back to Agar, I think he will be useful, but he HAS to spin the ball side to side bowling this overspin (supposedly due to a cut finger?? REALLY?) it will be cannon fodder again.

 

Lyon has to play

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And Warner scores 193 for Aussie A down in SA.

 

The Yarpies probably used my old Village Team bowling attack so they could play him into form to come back and hurt us.

 

Doesn't matter if they bring him back or not, they are in utter disarray and for the first time I think 5-0 may well be on the cards.

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Doesn't matter if they bring him back or not, they are in utter disarray and for the first time I think 5-0 may well be on the cards.

 

I'd love to agree, but I think the Aussies do have one shock weapon that could turn the series around and stop this happening.

 

Michael Fish

 

C'mon guys, just because you've had 2 weeks of sunshine, this is an ENGLISH summer after all and how have the trends on Summers been going of late?

 

IF 5 days is possible in every test then anyone who bets against a whitewash must be blinkered or stupid. I just don't see that happening. I mean Durham? Ooop North? 5 days of no rain? Nah no chance

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I'd love to agree, but I think the Aussies do have one shock weapon that could turn the series around and stop this happening.

 

Michael Fish

 

C'mon guys, just because you've had 2 weeks of sunshine, this is an ENGLISH summer after all and how have the trends on Summers been going of late?

 

IF 5 days is possible in every test then anyone who bets against a whitewash must be blinkered or stupid. I just don't see that happening. I mean Durham? Ooop North? 5 days of no rain? Nah no chance

 

Only needs 4.

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B*ll*cks. We want the series result to be whiter than a wall white-washed by Whitey McWhite.

 

NEVER take the boot off the throat of a twitching snake.

 

Precisely this.

 

(Mainly because I've taken time off work to watch the whole series, so I don't want to be twiddling my thumbs)

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England Cricket @ECB_cricket

England squad 3rd Investec #Ashes Test: Cook Anderson Bairstow Bell Bresnan Broad Panesar Pietersen Prior Root Swann Taylor Tremlett Trott

 

Hmmm No Finn.

 

Will be a big call if we need 2 spinners at OT

Scyld Berry in the Torygraph today was not quite effusing about Taylor's knock

Nice to see the two Aussie Spinners got walloped at Hove

And that Warner is in trouble AGAIN for squaring up to the Keeper in SA in his 2nd Innings.

 

Will the Thunderstorms still be a factor by Thursday guys?

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We have certainly had the benefit of nearly all the dodgy decisions this whole series.

 

I'd say about 70/30... there clearly have been some the other way.

 

Before I get all uppity about the umpires though, I wouldn't mind knowing the exact rules under these circumstances. As I understand it, if the on-field umpire gives it out, the third umpire must find clear evidence of a wrong decision, is that right? And if there is any doubt, the on-field decision is upheld. So it then becomes a question of what constitutes 'clear evidence' and what might give rise to any doubt?

 

It clearly looks like a terrible decision, but as always with these things, sometimes the devil is in the detail and I wonder what the exact ICC rules state, and if, as is often the case, they put umpires into difficult situations?

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