Master Bates Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Saints have added another coach to Jan Poortvliet's backroom staff in the form of Dutchman Dean Gorré. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=11052 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 All this 'Johann Cruyff' , 'Dutch', nonsense is starting to get very tiresome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Good job we haven't got any money! Is it our intention to have more coaches than players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Shot Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 I guess this somewhat dilutes the "Pearson wasn't kept on for financial reasons" argument? And have the club told us officially about Webster yet and why was he put on gardening leave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 9 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2008 (edited) I guess this somewhat dilutes the "Pearson wasn't kept on for financial reasons" argument? And have the club told us officially about Webster yet and why was he put on gardening leave? Would the groundsman ever get sent on gardening leave? or is that defeating the object? Edited 9 December, 2008 by Master Bates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 So that's Gore, Pulis, Robertson, Pekhart, Smith, Forecast and Gasmi instead of John, Saga or Rasiak. Which spanner thought that was a good idea. Oh wait, I think I can guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 So that's Gore, Pulis, Robertson, Pekhart, Smith, Forecast and Gasmi instead of John, Saga or Rasiak. Which spanner thought that was a good idea. Oh wait, I think I can guess... Its a decision that will result in us not being in this league next year imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 So, welcome Dean, thanks for working for free to help us recently and accepting low wages. Apologies if the fans moan about you straight away. As far as I can see, no-one has made any comments about him personally at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durleyfos Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 We must have more coaches than national Express. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chocco boxo Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 All this 'Johann Cruyff' , 'Dutch', nonsense is starting to get very tiresome. agree totally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 No Jan, you've got it all wrong. Johann Cruyff actually scored some goals as well. Still, good that he's joined as Wotte's - I mean Jan's - assistant. God we were crap last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 So, welcome Dean, thanks for working for free to help us recently and accepting low wages. Apologies if the fans moan about you straight away. Example(s)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Would the groundsman ever get sent on gardening leave? or is that defeating the object? No. But the coach driver does like going on a busman's holiday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 How long before some mong claims he's our defensive coach and then everyone picks up on the innacuracy i wonder? Anyway welcome aboard Dean...best of luck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 9 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Example(s)? He's been on the touch lines for the last 3-4 games, and in training sessions for the last 3-4 weeks. Ah................ you've got me.................. with my trousers down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Would need proof of the wages before commenting. I'm not convinced that first group come to much over 5k a week. And short contracts for some, few loans etc. Robertson meant dyer going, whose wages are likely to be larger. The latter groups wages probably reach 25k a week. You forgot agents fees, loan fees have to be factored in as well for all of those...no-one is suggesting we kept all 3 just Stern would of done. I have polished my crystal ball and Gorre is Jan's replacement when Wotte takes over next week after the Burnley defeats mutual consent departure ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 He's been on the touch lines for the last 3-4 games, and in training sessions for the last 3-4 weeks. He means he's not actually helping because we're still sh:t...it was a funny... Silly Bates... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 9 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2008 He means he's not actually helping because we're still sh:t...it was a funny... Silly Bates... Re-read my response Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Re-read my response Re-read my arse...you editted that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Bates Posted 9 December, 2008 Author Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Re-read my arse...you editted that! No, you just quoted too early :smt110 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Tender Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 OK Dean, you've had some extensive experience of English football. Tell Mr. Poortvliet where he's going wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Shot Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Hot news - Simon Clifford seen at Staplewood this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 I think it shows that Lowe is holding his nerve and the style of football we have been seeing this season will continue. Just hope he can teach the players to go forward more and take their chances. We are obviously creating them as we have had 157 on target before last night. That is an average of 7.5 a game and McGoldrick leads the division with 36 on target. We have only scored 19 of those! That is a 12% on target conversion. If you add the off target of 136 that is a down to 6.5% chance is converted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 (edited) Hot news - Simon Clifford seen at Staplewood this morning. Jason St Juste coming in as left back? He fits the criteria! PS edit.... ;-) just for those that thought I was serious Edited 9 December, 2008 by Give it to Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Hot news - Simon Clifford seen at Staplewood this morning. Oh kak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 I think it shows that Lowe is holding his nerve and the style of football we have been seeing this season will continue. Just hope he can teach the players to go forward more and take their chances. We are obviously creating them as we have had 157 on target before last night. That is an average of 7.5 a game and McGoldrick leads the division with 36 on target. We have only scored 19 of those! That is a 12% on target conversion. If you add the off target of 136 that is a down to 6.5% chance is converted. What is annoying is that we know we are creating the chances and many of us believe we are not far away from giving someone a proper hammering but it all goes to pot when the sky cameras are on us. I dread to think what will happen against Man Ure in a matter of weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Would need proof of the wages before commenting. I'm not convinced that first group come to much over 5k a week. And short contracts for some, few loans etc. Robertson meant dyer going, whose wages are likely to be larger. The latter groups wages probably reach 25k a week. On the other hand the latter 3 are all able to score goals, which in turn changes draws into wins and defeats into draws, so lets say one of them cost 8k (and I 'm not sure I believe your maths), an increase in 1000 through the gates (modest, since a few wins would probably bring back 2-3k) would more than pay for at least one of them to be here. sadly the plank is unable to see things that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Shot Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Hot news - Simon Clifford seen at Staplewood this morning. Actually I have just realised that is not remotely funny and in case some on here believe it I had better confess to making it up. Apologies to all on this forum - sometimes irony and gallows humour have no place on a football forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 On the other hand the latter 3 are all able to score goals, which in turn changes draws into wins and defeats into draws, so lets say one of them cost 8k (and I 'm not sure I believe your maths), an increase in 1000 through the gates (modest, since a few wins would probably bring back 2-3k) would more than pay for at least one of them to be here. sadly the plank is unable to see things that way. ...and as importantly push us up the league. Unfortunately that logic is not acceptable to some I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Hot news - Simon Clifford seen at Staplewood this morning. Actually I have just realised that is not remotely funny and in case some on here believe it I had better confess to making it up. Apologies to all on this forum - sometimes irony and gallows humour have no place on a football forum. True...my go.... Hot news....Fulthorpe seen at Reading branch of Barclays this morning putting money where mouth is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS_SFC Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Another rabbit for the headlights then. Pearson more expensive than Portvliet,Wotte and Gorre...yeah right.. More pretty but in effective football ahead it seems. When will some one at the club realise this super duper over playing will not bring enough points in this league? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Welcome Dean. Feel free to start by pointing out to JP that DMG is rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 You forgot agents fees, loan fees have to be factored in as well for all of those...no-one is suggesting we kept all 3 just Stern would of done. I have polished my crystal ball and Gorre is Jan's replacement when Wotte takes over next week after the Burnley defeats mutual consent departure ;-) I'm sorry, but Rupert doesn't get away with it that easily. Getting through to his 3rd coach since returning shows a lack of judgement. He should do the decent thing and leave. Woggy could run the club better than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 I'm sorry, but Rupert doesn't get away with it that easily. Getting through to his 3rd coach since returning shows a lack of judgement. He should do the decent thing and leave. You do realise it hasn't actually happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 What is annoying is that we know we are creating the chances and many of us believe we are not far away from giving someone a proper hammering but it all goes to pot when the sky cameras are on us. I dread to think what will happen against Man Ure in a matter of weeks. The Man ure game is on setanta not sky so it won't be the sky jinx I see where you're coming from though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 unless someone gives our defenders and midfield players upper body strength , we can have as many coaches as we like someone like Kugi will still tear us apart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 You do realise it hasn't actually happened? I know. Someone posted that he thought JP would leave after the Burnely game. Mine was just a reply to a hypothetical scenario. If he appointed Wotte then that would be is 3rd coach after JP and Pearson. Do keep up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Good to see that Gorre has been dedicated enough to work on a non-contract basis thus far! Also might be a useful addition as he has experience of the lower divisions. Welcome aboard Dean! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGTL Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Was I the only person who got excited when he saw "new coach appointed" on the OS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrey1saint Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 (edited) unless someone gives our defenders and midfield players upper body strength ' date=' we can have as many coaches as we like someone like Kugi will still tear us apart[/quote'] Nail on the head mike. I fear this will be the case but there will still be a lot of teams we can beat,(like Reading)I hope. Edited 9 December, 2008 by surrey1saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Almost ****ed myself when i read the bit about sharing football in the tradition of Johan Cruyff. More like Crufts.. This whole going Dutch has not worked and by adding more and more dutch coaches won't make an ounce of difference to anything other then our bank balance. How long until we change our shirt colours to orange? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_No_7 Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Another rabbit for the headlights then. Pearson more expensive than Portvliet,Wotte and Gorre...yeah right.. More pretty but in effective football ahead it seems. When will some one at the club realise this super duper over playing will not bring enough points in this league? wasn't jan on about 70k a year at his last club and is probably on about 100k now, the threeof them are on probably 300k between them and pearson was getting 400k, so the club are getting three coaches (i reckon) cheaper than before. also would pearson have been able to work with the kids and no stars as he'd have had to? doubt it personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 I know. Someone posted that he thought JP would leave after the Burnely game. Mine was just a reply to a hypothetical scenario. If he appointed Wotte then that would be is 3rd coach after JP and Pearson. Do keep up. Oh i'm keeping up. You posted in the present tense. That doesn't really work. It just makes you look like you're getting in a tizz about something that hasn't actually happened. Not a first for this forum i'll admit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Can he play up front or in defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 All this 'Johann Cruyff' , 'Dutch', nonsense is starting to get very tiresome. And you can't even blame the twaat who writes the usual rubbish on the OS as that came straight from Jan's mouth. Please spare us the references to Total Football, the Dutch way, attacking & exciting football, Cruyff, etc etc etc and just start delivering as I'm beginning to find it all a tiny bit patronising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 also would pearson have been able to work with the kids and no stars as he'd have had to? doubt it personally. Based on what exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronCitySaint Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 wasn't jan on about 70k a year at his last club and is probably on about 100k now, the threeof them are on probably 300k between them and pearson was getting 400k, so the club are getting three coaches (i reckon) cheaper than before. also would pearson have been able to work with the kids and no stars as he'd have had to? doubt it personally. OK, where did that salary figure for Pearson come from? I don't follow things as closely as I used to, but is that a complete guess or do you have something to substantiate that figure with? As for the 'three for the price of one' philosophy, that is Lowe through and through. Why get one decent player/manager when you can have three average ones? That is one of the main policies that got us in this situation with carrying a bloated squad of very average players instead of investing in fewer players of better quality and paying them a decent wage. Seems like someone never learns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 Oh i'm keeping up. You posted in the present tense. That doesn't really work. It just makes you look like you're getting in a tizz about something that hasn't actually happened. Not a first for this forum i'll admit... If you actually read all of it you would have known. Very sorry if my posts don't sit too well with you. To be honest I stopped getting in a 'tizz' about Saints some time ago. Too many people on this messageboard seem to be doing PR for Rupert. Can't really be bothered with it all anymore. Bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Fan CaM Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 HANG ON JUST A F***ING MINUTE!!! So this new coach started working for free just after the Reading game. And it improved us?!? RIIIIIGHT!!!! And now he's been given a full contract. For crying out loud, the management of the club in terms of managerial/coaching appointments takes a new plunge downwards - you just could not make this sh*t up! Incidentally - did anyone notice Lowe, Gorre and JP talking on the pitch before the game started? It was quite clear to me that Lowe was talking to Gorre and blanking JP - I think JP's number is up in the not too distant future...seems he's out of Lowe's favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fos1 Posted 9 December, 2008 Share Posted 9 December, 2008 (edited) Lowe was staying out of Simon Jordons way, anyone remember what Jordon said about Lowe in the past ? ( this should be on the other thread ) Edited 9 December, 2008 by fos1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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