Sky Sports News: Stoke in for Lallana and Surman.

[derry]

Just been shown.

[ozzmeister]

Yeah I saw that, 3mill for the both - bit under value in my opinion. Would like 2.5 just for surname.

 

What players have they got that could come this way and whos not playing? If some kind of deal can be sorted where they pay the players wage (like LeSaux deal) that could be a possibility.

[St Marco]

Well nice to see my mate who told me last week Surman to Stoke was a done deal wasen't talking **** this time! However he didnt say anything about Adam. Guess it makes a lot of sense for Stoke seeing as they have a really harsh injury problem. If both go in January especially after both came out and said they wanted to stay i think a certain PLC chairman will be taking some flak; seeing as he said he wanted them to stay and we didnt need to sell them...

[Pancake]

Just reporting a rumour from the Mirror 2 days ago...

 

Oh, and its here: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=6514

[Windmill Arm 2]

BIG STOKE city raping little southampton of their best talent, how forking depressing is that.......sigh!................

[saint1977]

3m for one is fine, but not for both. I hope Rupert is thinking the same. He normally gets a good price, but 1.5m each isn't a good price at all.

 

Would tend to agree on the price for both, it would be a bit low. However, has Lallana signed a new contract this season?

[OldNick]

perahaps Stoke want to be the new saints, Higginbottom, Delap Surman and Lallana ..oh and Andrew Davies. we'll probably do a straight swap those 2 for Pulis's son

[krissyboy31]

perahaps Stoke want to be the new saints, Higginbottom, Delap Surman and Lallana ..oh and Andrew Davies. we'll probably do a straight swap those 2 for Pulis's son

 

you forgot Fuller!!

[LostBoys]

3m for one is fine, but not for both. I hope Rupert is thinking the same. He normally gets a good price, but 1.5m each isn't a good price at all.

 

It is with the bank and Inland Revenue breathing down your neck and it is the only way to preserve your share value - do not worry about the team or the supporters

[Wes Tender]

perahaps Stoke want to be the new saints, Higginbottom, Delap Surman and Lallana ..oh and Andrew Davies. we'll probably do a straight swap those 2 for Pulis's son

Not forgetting Fuller.

 

I'm thinking of switching to being a Stoke supporter, as they have more of our players that I can identify with. Mind you, they were mostly the players I didn't rate much when they were here.

[St Landrew]

Saints are the new feeder club for Stoke City. Well, it makes sense. The players don't even have to make a huge adjustment for recognising the difference between their teammates' shirts and the opposition's.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

4.5-5m and that would be a good deal. If I have to say Rupes is good at anything, it is making other teams cough up a fortune for our players

[saint1977]

perahaps Stoke want to be the new saints, Higginbottom, Delap Surman and Lallana ..oh and Andrew Davies. we'll probably do a straight swap those 2 for Pulis's son

 

Red and white stripes too. I like the way Hodgson said on Saturday that it was many years since he'd seen referees' decisions that hotly contested at an away ground. Good on the Stokies! I can remember at the Dell that refs used to really get it in the neck if we didn't like them.

 

With reference to a post further down, does anyone know if we owe HMRC money? Chances are that we may and we'd be paying interest too on late or incomplete tax returns. HMRC have been trying to get the rules changed - with little success so far - that football creditors get priority over other creditors. It may seem unfair to those outside football but imagine the domino effect if one major CCC club went in and couldn't pay a number of others - for instance, had SISU not come in for Coventry we could have lost most of the 600k for Leon Best.

[saint1977]

4.5-5m and that would be a good deal. If I have to say Rupes is good at anything, it is making other teams cough up a fortune for our players

 

I reckon Rupert would want more than £3m, chances are this story has been planted by the player's agent/s. Pulis has his price and the agents are trying to push it.

 

We did the same to clubs when we were a steady PL club in the early part of this decade though so can't complain.

[badgerx16]

Assuming this has legs; if the money goes to paying off debt, rather than replacement players, what would the midfield look like ?

[redorwhitelion]

Have Stoke played at Fratton Park yet? That would be brilliant, on an otherwise depressing weekend, Danny Guthrie did provide me with a little smile.

[saint1977]

Have Stoke played at Fratton Park yet? That would be brilliant, on an otherwise depressing weekend, Danny Guthrie did provide me with a little smile.

 

Yes and they scored from a Delap long-throw I seem to recall but I've a feeling sadly that the Fishy Few may have won.

[teamsaint]

£ 3m really is a joke price. I will be amazed if rupes can't get at least £2m for each.

 

 

Surman's quality is probably well exposed. He is likely to be a decent PL player .

 

lallana, though, could yet turn out to be a really top player.

Hold out for £5m rupes-stoke have the money!!

[labibs]

Yes and they scored from a Delap long-throw I seem to recall but I've a feeling sadly that the Fishy Few may have won.

 

Yep, they beat them 2-1. Think Defoe got the winner late on. It pains me to say it, but I did have him in my fantasy team that week, hence why I remember.

[Chez]

I can't believe Surman, an England Under 21 International is worth less than £3m. I know there are several deluded soles on here that don't rate the guy but he is quality and it would be daylight bloody robbery if he was allowed to leave for less.

[buctootim]

I wish we could get more for him, but I think even £3m is on the high side. Surman is a CCC player unproven at prem standard.

[Minsk]

Not to worry, we've yet to unleash Pulis Jnr on the CCC. (rollyeyedthingy)

[Chez]

£ 3m really is a joke price. I will be amazed if rupes can't get at least £2m for each.

 

 

Surman's quality is probably well exposed. He is likely to be a decent PL player .

 

lallana, though, could yet turn out to be a really top player.

Hold out for £5m rupes-stoke have the money!!

 

They have spent a fair few bob in the summer including Kitson £5.5m, Olifinjana £3m, Abdula Faye £2.25m, Andy Davies £1.25m, Higginbottom £1.5m???, Sonko £2m, Soares £2m, and Michael Tonge £1m???.

 

The TV money will cover those fees and the increased wages. I wonder what debts they had to pay off. I wasn't aware of any so perhaps they still have cash to spare.

[saint_stevo]

how many ex saints do Stoke want FFS

[St.Thomas7]

Randomly I actually dreamt we had sold Lallana and Drew last night... woke up and saw this... odd...

[Victor]

For Sky to claim Stoke are "in" for S & L, doesn't that mean they have made some sort of offer, and doesn't that make Stoke in breach of some rule for unsettling players outside the transfer window?

 

Or does it just mean it's part of the typical Sky/Sun scatter-gun approach of linking players with 75% of all the other clubs so that they can then claim "you heard it here first" (which, of course, you didn't anyway)?

[broncoboy]

how many ex saints do Stoke want FFS

 

 

That's funny

[voteforpedro]

I can't believe Surman, an England Under 21 International is worth less than £3m. I know there are several deluded soles on here that don't rate the guy but he is quality and it would be daylight bloody robbery if he was allowed to leave for less.

 

IMO he's been our best outfield player this season. If we weren't in such a bad position financially I'm sure we could get over £4 million for him.

[Raven on the wing]

Remember Bmuff get 25% of any Llallana fees so the figure has to be bigger for it to be worthwhile to us. Why do Stoke want mid fielders as they dont pass the ball to them any way ?

[krissyboy31]

Remember Bmuff get 25% of any Llallana fees so the figure has to be bigger for it to be worthwhile to us. Why do Stoke want mid fielders as they dont pass the ball to them any way ?

 

More to the point, why does Pulis want to turn Stoke City into Southampton by stealth? Has he not realised we're not actually very good?

[Weston Super Saint]

Would tend to agree on the price for both, it would be a bit low. However, has Lallana signed a new contract this season?

 

Yes, this summer.

[Andy_Porter]

I can't believe Surman, an England Under 21 International is worth less than £3m. I know there are several deluded soles on here that don't rate the guy but he is quality and it would be daylight bloody robbery if he was allowed to leave for less.

 

Sounds to me like Stoke know we're skint and they're taking the **** a bit. Lowe probably wants the money all up front so we've negotiated a deal like this.

 

3m for them both is a bit of a bargain, Surman could well become a very good player in the Premiership and Lallana only needs a bit of coaching to become a top top player.

[Wes Tender]

3m for one is fine, but not for both. I hope Rupert is thinking the same. He normally gets a good price, but 1.5m each isn't a good price at all.

 

 

He used to do OK when he had some sort of whiphand. Now that everybody in football knows that we are paupers desperate to sell players to keep afloat, our bargaining power is zilch. Perhaps Stoke will be able to offload some other players to us that are totally surplus to their requirements as part of the deal. Pulis doesn't have any other sons, does he?

[teamsaint]

Sounds to me like Stoke know we're skint and they're taking the **** a bit. Lowe probably wants the money all up front so we've negotiated a deal like this.

 

3m for them both is a bit of a bargain, Surman could well become a very good player in the Premiership and Lallana only needs a bit of coaching to become a top top player.

 

I will be amazed if several PL clubs don't top a £3m offer for these two.

 

Every chance of a healthy auction IMO, even in these tough times.

 

Clubs like Fulham would be getting great value, even at £5m the pair.

personally I think Lallana should be for sale at £5m for the potential he has shown, but we are now a soft touch.

[Saint2Hotty]

I don't see the point of either of them going to Stoke. If it is for the dream of Premiership football then it will be a short lived experience, Stoke will be down here again next season. We need to try and keep them at least until the end of the season and make some money on them then. Shift out some dead wood first please rupert!

[Big Bad Bob]

Shift out some dead wood first please rupert!

 

Nice thought, but other teams are going to have to want them first.

[Legod Third Coming]

More to the point, why does Pulis want to turn Stoke City into Southampton by stealth? Has he not realised we're not actually very good?

 

More to the point, how is a manager derided on here often getting Rory Delap to create eight goals this season? And why the couldn't he have created eight goals for us?

 

If he had, WE would still be in the Premiership... ironic eye roll

[saint1977]

Yes, this summer.

 

Good news - unless he has a release clause at say £1.5m we should be asking for more. Bear in mind we need to pay Bournemouth 25% as well. If anything, Bournemouth have even more reason to want him to move than agent does!

[saint1977]

More to the point, how is a manager derided on here often getting Rory Delap to create eight goals this season? And why the couldn't he have created eight goals for us?

 

If he had, WE would still be in the Premiership... ironic eye roll

 

Delap was a Gray signing and I think Gray was going to build around him and probably Anders. WGS played Delap and Anders but they weren't players WGS neccesarily built around as WGS likes the press the opposition more and prefers width and getting crosses in for strikers which Beattie certainly enjoyed feeding off!

[saint lard]

£3m is not enough IMO,i sure hope there is going to be some very good sell-on clauses put in place also.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

I don't see the point of either of them going to Stoke. If it is for the dream of Premiership football then it will be a short lived experience, Stoke will be down here again next season. We need to try and keep them at least until the end of the season and make some money on them then. Shift out some dead wood first please rupert!

 

We won`t be here mate if we continue the way we are.

 

Selling two of our better players will only make it more likely.

 

We must improve the team/squad not weaken it.

 

We will get peanuts because we broadcast the fact we are apparently skint so we will be

held to ransom.

[saint lard]

Alex Sutch (Southampton fan) says...

 

Southampton will be looking to sell Adam Lallana and Andrew Surman in January and it is thought they will get £3million pounds combined - either from Stoke, Fulham or Tottenham with all three teams interested. They will be looking to sign young attacking midfielder Thomas Humpherson from Aldershot Town having scouted him for the vast majority of the season and will be looking to sign experienced players on loan, like Nicky Barmby from Hull City and Gavin McCann from Bolton for £300,000

 

 

From one of many of the rumour mills.

I still maintain that Lallana will go to Fulham,with Baird as part of the deal,don't know why,just a hunch.

Edited 16 December, 2008 by saint lard

[astrasri]

If I were Surman/Llallana and wanted to move into Premiership football - the last club I would sign for in January is West Brom...the penultimate club I would sign for in January is Stoke!

WTF would either of these guys go for Stoke? A good option for players looking to end their careers - not to begin them.

[OldNick]

If I were Surman/Llallana and wanted to move into Premiership football - the last club I would sign for in January is West Brom...the penultimate club I would sign for in January is Stoke!

WTF would either of these guys go for Stoke? A good option for players looking to end their careers - not to begin them.

perhaps 10k pw wage rise may help

[Chez]

Alex Sutch (Southampton fan) says...

 

Southampton will be looking to sell Adam Lallana and Andrew Surman in January and it is thought they will get £3million pounds combined - either from Stoke, Fulham or Tottenham with all three teams interested. They will be looking to sign young attacking midfielder Thomas Humpherson from Aldershot Town having scouted him for the vast majority of the season and will be looking to sign experienced players on loan, like Nicky Barmby from Hull City and Gavin McCann from Bolton for £300,000

 

 

From one of many of the rumour mills.

I still maintain that Lallana will go to Fulham,with Baird as part of the deal,don't know why,just a hunch.

 

 

Alex WHO? Am I missing something here, is he some sort of ITK?

 

I certainly do not want to see another McCant down here. He is poor IMO. Barmby is way past it. No thanks. Can someone tell me more about Humpherson.

[SaltashSaint]

I know that Stoke have been scouting Andrew Surman for the past month or so. Their scout David Kemp has been at matches and from what I hear he has been impressed by what he has seen. I know nothing about Lallana going there though.

[Sundance Beast]

I wish we could get more for him, but I think even £3m is on the high side. Surman is a CCC player unproven at prem standard.

 

I have to agree. £3m for both is actually a good deal and the fact Surman has played at u21 level is irrelevant. Many have and failed to live up to the hype. Fact remains Surman's form for us has tailed off actually from the point of his first selection for the U21s and in the past 2 seasons he has failed to show the levels he reached in his first full season.

 

As for Lallana we have to conclude that despite the expectation he has been largely disappointing and if anthing should have scored far more goals than Surman given their respective positions in the starting 11. Neither would be a massive miss provided some of the funds could be used to shore up our defence and increase our attacking options. Surman's 5 goals would be the biggest miss and the fact no one else as a true midfielder, therefore, ignoring BWP's goals from LM, is making a contribution.

 

Bottom line is we need to generate cash to reduce debt and not accepting £3m and seeing their value fall away further will be criminal. 2 seasons ago Surman could have been sold easily for £3m or even more but not in today's market and certainly not based on his proven ability to be a success at a higher level, afterall he has not exactly been head and shoulders above the rest of his current colleagues in the lower reaches of the CCC.

[teamsaint]

I have to agree. £3m for both is actually a good deal and the fact Surman has played at u21 level is irrelevant. Many have and failed to live up to the hype. Fact remains Surman's form for us has tailed off actually from the point of his first selection for the U21s and in the past 2 seasons he has failed to show the levels he reached in his first full season.

 

As for Lallana we have to conclude that despite the expectation he has been largely disappointing and if anthing should have scored far more goals than Surman given their respective positions in the starting 11. Neither would be a massive miss provided some of the funds could be used to shore up our defence and increase our attacking options. Surman's 5 goals would be the biggest miss and the fact no one else as a true midfielder, therefore, ignoring BWP's goals from LM, is making a contribution.

 

Bottom line is we need to generate cash to reduce debt and not accepting £3m and seeing their value fall away further will be criminal. 2 seasons ago Surman could have been sold easily for £3m or even more but not in today's market and certainly not based on his proven ability to be a success at a higher level, afterall he has not exactly been head and shoulders above the rest of his current colleagues in the lower reaches of the CCC.

 

Perrhaps you might change your mind if you watched the team play.

Both Surman and Lallana are young talented English players, both with PL potential at least.Players in this bracket should command high fees. Both have also been performing to a high level.

As for Lallana being "disappointing", well i for one would love to see a few more as disappointing as him. that lad will play for England IMO, and will one day be a £10m player. he has exceptional talent.

One thing to remember about both is that they have been showing their skills in a struggling side, and both, especially surman, have been moved all over the place.

 

We will miss them both big time.and to see them go on the cheap to SCFC would be tough to take.

I sincerlely hope that this post by the beast is not placed by rupert, in a bid to keep our expectations low.hopefully its just a daft post.

 

I personally expect rupes to do his thing and bet big cash for these two.

[Sundance Beast]

Perrhaps you might change your mind if you watched the team play.

Both Surman and Lallana are young talented English players, both with PL potential at least.Players in this bracket should command high fees. Both have also been performing to a high level.

As for Lallana being "disappointing", well i for one would love to see a few more as disappointing as him. that lad will play for England IMO, and will one day be a £10m player. he has exceptional talent.

One thing to remember about both is that they have been showing their skills in a struggling side, and both, especially surman, have been moved all over the place.

 

We will miss them both big time.and to see them go on the cheap to SCFC would be tough to take.

I sincerlely hope that this post by the beast is not placed by rupert, in a bid to keep our expectations low.hopefully its just a daft post.

 

I personally expect rupes to do his thing and bet big cash for these two.

 

I deliver my opinions based solely on watching the team play and will always remain a committed if realistic ST holder.

 

I agree both are talented English Players with some potential but at this stage I cannot see either delivering in the the Premiership and certainly not with full international honours of which you may expect, to achieve transfer fees in excess of £10m. Unless they find some Welsh or Irish grandparents.

 

Neither have lived up to their hype and Lallana's goal return is someway short as our principal attacking midfielder. Lots of runs and occassional penetration but no end product, zilch. Surman has scored some important goals but his final ball leads a lot to be desired and is very inconsistent. I've mentioned previously on another thread just one game this season where he had the opportunity to deliver a decent ball from the left about 25 yards out and each time put it in the keeprs hands all in the space of about 15 mins. I can remember far more indifferent performances from both players than memorable performances and for so highly rated players is that acceptable?

 

I accept your point about Surman being moved around like a utility player but would ask if he was so important as a central midfielder or wide on the left whichever is deemed his best role why is it so easy for him to be moved around. Pearson played him at LB as he was surplus to his optimum midfield, why?

 

I would sooner be discussing reasons on why these two players should be kept but from what I have seen at every home game at least is that I am ambivalent about them and would rather the club sell for the reputed £3m than play the waiting game to allow them to realise their full potential which on balance would be a far greater risk.

 

We need players who can consistently deliver and with the return of Holmes I would argue that BWP would be equally if not more effective than Lallana and score more goals supporting McGoldrick and retaining Jack Cork for a midfield role would be as effective as Surman, not to mention Euell and Schneiderlin and moving Skacel into LM with Mills slotting in at LB.

 

This team are not reliant on Surman and Lallana but the hype that surrounds them makes us feel they are more intrinsic to the success of the team than a full analysis of their contribution actually supports. £3m is imperative to the success of the club and would allow a reduction in debt and servicing costs and allow some modest strenghtening of the squad where it is needed most and help to retain Cork who has been far more impressive than the two in question.

 

If nothing else ask yourself what os Surman's success rate in delivering a corner our players can actually attack as oppose to chasing to ball up field when it was been cleared by the first man? Probably on a par with Skacel or worse IMO.

 

I suspect Rupes will see £3m as big cash and not worth the gamble of waiting for them to deliver their potential. Lets face it for 2 players who are probably the first 2 on the team sheet after KD they haven't performed as brilliantly ss the latter and that has to be disappointing.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

I deliver my opinions based solely on watching the team play and will always remain a committed if realistic ST holder.

 

I agree both are talented English Players with some potential but at this stage I cannot see either delivering in the the Premiership and certainly not with full international honours of which you may expect, to achieve transfer fees in excess of £10m. Unless they find some Welsh or Irish grandparents.

 

Neither have lived up to their hype and Lallana's goal return is someway short as our principal attacking midfielder. Lots of runs and occassional penetration but no end product, zilch. Surman has scored some important goals but his final ball leads a lot to be desired and is very inconsistent. I've mentioned previously on another thread just one game this season where he had the opportunity to deliver a decent ball from the left about 25 yards out and each time put it in the keeprs hands all in the space of about 15 mins. I can remember far more indifferent performances from both players than memorable performances and for so highly rated players is that acceptable?

 

I accept your point about Surman being moved around like a utility player but would ask if he was so important as a central midfielder or wide on the left whichever is deemed his best role why is it so easy for him to be moved around. Pearson played him at LB as he was surplus to his optimum midfield, why?

 

I would sooner be discussing reasons on why these two players should be kept but from what I have seen at every home game at least is that I am ambivalent about them and would rather the club sell for the reputed £3m than play the waiting game to allow them to realise their full potential which on balance would be a far greater risk.

 

We need players who can consistently deliver and with the return of Holmes I would argue that BWP would be equally if not more effective than Lallana and score more goals supporting McGoldrick and retaining Jack Cork for a midfield role would be as effective as Surman, not to mention Euell and Schneiderlin and moving Skacel into LM with Mills slotting in at LB.

 

This team are not reliant on Surman and Lallana but the hype that surrounds them makes us feel they are more intrinsic to the success of the team than a full analysis of their contribution actually supports. £3m is imperative to the success of the club and would allow a reduction in debt and servicing costs and allow some modest strenghtening of the squad where it is needed most and help to retain Cork who has been far more impressive than the two in question.

 

If nothing else ask yourself what os Surman's success rate in delivering a corner our players can actually attack as oppose to chasing to ball up field when it was been cleared by the first man? Probably on a par with Skacel or worse IMO.

 

I suspect Rupes will see £3m as big cash and not worth the gamble of waiting for them to deliver their potential. Lets face it for 2 players who are probably the first 2 on the team sheet after KD they haven't performed as brilliantly ss the latter and that has to be disappointing.

 

Don't normally agree with what you say, but in this case I pretty much concurr -although the problem will be replacing them with players who will do a better job - because if we are to survive, doing an equal job is unlikely to be good enough. How do you think your "Rupes" will do that?