Dig Dig Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 It's impossible to know before a competitive ball has been kicked how effective he will be or his comparative pedigree to what went before, but looking only at a managers track record before they joined Saints, it can not be argued that he has the best CV - as a player and manager. Why Saints? Well, what other top 8 premier league jobs were available this summer? Apart from United, who got Van Gaal in early doors. That could be part of the reason - we were simply the most attractive top flight proposition available, looking at it from the most basic level. We're a good oppotunity for Koeman and I'm not disputing that but the reality is that if he was a true Champions League pedigree manager, he wouldn't be here now, 15 odd years into his coaching career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 You could have said all that about Pochettino. Based on RK's actual record he is an upgrade but only time and results can confirm that. how is he an upgrade? we dont know YET? he will be an upgrade if he manages top 8 (ok, top 10 given the turn around) and further in the cups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 We're a good oppotunity for Koeman and I'm not disputing that but the reality is that if he was a true Champions League pedigree manager, he wouldn't be here now, 15 odd years into his coaching career. Ah I don't know, perhaps he's playing the field, we're his 8th or 9th club in 14 seasons, tried everyone acceptable in Holland, had a flirt with the Iberic peninsular so we're a logical step forward for him. Hope he does well but I would by far rather we still had MP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldskoolsi Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 I didn't say he was the best manager ever, just that he has a more impressive CV than any of our previous managers at the time of their appointment. If not Koeman, then which former Saints manager in our 129 year history has a better managerial CV? According to wki Koeman has ( ignoring tin pot trophies i.e Charity shield equivalents) 3 Dutch titles, 1 Dutch cup and 1 Spanish cup. When he joined us, Souness had 3 Scottish titles, 1 FA cup and 1 Turkish cup. He also won 3 Scottish league cups which could be considered pretty noddy. Other than that, pretty similar, maybe better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 (edited) I didn't say he was the best manager ever, just that he has a more impressive CV than any of our previous managers at the time of their appointment. If not Koeman, then which former Saints manager in our 129 year history has a better managerial CV? I'm saying his CV is partly an artefact of being part born into footballing aristocracy. As a legend of his generation, the proverbial captain fantastic, every door was opened for him - contrast his career path with that of a manager who's had to work his way up the greasy pole with limited resources. His career trajectory is pretty easy to follow: having done well in leagues that are effectively closed shops, he made a mess of his first big job in a quasi-competitive league. Who has the better CV is thus frankly irrelevant. I would have been more excited by the appointment of a Tuchel or Yakin -and that's not because they have better CVs. Ultimately what matters is who is the better manager and best equipped to lead us in the here and now. Not saying Koeman is a bad appointment but your autistic bleating about CVs does more to obscure this question than illuminate it. Edited 25 July, 2014 by shurlock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolsaint29 Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 Thought this was for transfer talk only lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warsash saint Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 Just how difficult is it to keep a thread on topic ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintSteve Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 Just how difficult is it to keep a thread on topic ??? Tricky given there are no rumours of any substance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 Southampton will signal their determination to hold on to Morgan Schneiderlin by telling his suitors, who are headed by Tottenham Hotspur and Arsenal, that he would cost them in excess of the £27m that Manchester United paid to sign Luke Shaw. Koeman intends to press on with his incoming business and he is close to a deal for the Celtic centre-half Virgil van Dijk. There is the acceptance at the club that Koeman needs a goalkeeper, one or most likely two centre-backs, a striker, as Dani Osvaldo is available for transfer and, probably, another wide midfielder. http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/25/southampton-morgan-schneiderlin-tottenham?CMP=twt_gu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncoboy Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 Just how difficult is it to keep a thread on topic ??? Seems we are selling plenty. Les better pull a few irons out of the fire Anyone able to name a club sold 5 of its best players in one close season other than when they had got relegated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/25/southampton-morgan-schneiderlin-tottenham?CMP=twt_gu Do YOU think we'll be able to keep him? The club claimed no more outgoings after Shaw, Lallana and Lambert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 (edited) Do YOU think we'll be able to keep him? The club claimed no more outgoings after Shaw, Lallana and Lambert. Would you prefer the club to publicly admit everyone is for sale? That doesn't help our negotiating position does it? If we get a huge bid for Schneiderlin he'll go, every player has a price. What is important is how well we recruit players ourselves. The Guardian says we are close to a deal for Virgil van Dijk. We could end up with van Dijk and Forster with the Lovren money and still have money left over from that £20m, let alone the Lallana, Pochettino, Shaw, Lambert money. Edited 25 July, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesfp1 Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 Southampton will signal their determination to hold on to Morgan Schneiderlin by telling his suitors, who are headed by Tottenham Hotspur and Arsenal, that he would cost them in excess of the £27m that Manchester United paid to sign Luke Shaw. That is not a signal that they want to keep hold of him. Saying he is not for sale is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSAINT Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 That is not a signal that they want to keep hold of him. Saying he is not for sale is. Ultimately we haven't wanted to sell any of our players - it's just been up to the players themselves. So if Morgan wants to stay, he will. If he wants out then we have another big problem on our hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killers Knee Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 Hopefully hes better than the last CB we bought from Celtic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 News to me. There was this ONE comment when Sharp, having been told to look elsewhere by Pochettino, was quoted saying he'd like to play for Celtic, and a few articles after that spun from a Celtic perspective, but nothing suggesting an offer: http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/331546/Southampton-striker-Billy-Sharp-attracted-to-Celtic-s-big-European-nights Sharp did go up to Glasgow and was interviewed along with a couple of overseas strikers. He reported their interest on twitter but he went silent when he was turned down. Celtic decided on an Icelandic or Scandinavian guy. Sharp was turned down on his salary demands like he has been at most clubs who showed any interest in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 God I hope so prefer him to Vlaar better player for us . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 Hopefully hes better than the last CB we bought from Celtic. Why he was brilliant for the division we bought him for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 Would you prefer the club to publicly admit everyone is for sale? That doesn't help our negotiating position does it? If we get a huge bid for Schneiderlin he'll go, every player has a price. What is important is how well we recruit players ourselves. The Guardian says we are close to a deal for Virgil van Dijk. We could end up with van Dijk and Forster with the Lovren money and still have money left over from that £20m, let alone the Lallana, Pochettino, Shaw, Labert money. Kruger gave an indication the shop was open when he was interviewed on the last day of the season. Van Dijk is somebody I have not heard of until now. There again Iam insular and only watch English football. Like our 2signings I an unsure how they will cope with pL football. I just hope they are better than Steve who came from Dutch football. Forster is obviously a good keeper but still seems to be untried consistently under the glare of pL football. MS will be disenchanted. IMO and so may well leave as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ART Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 Sad no one's listening to Talksport. They've been discussing Saints for over an hour and have to say I'm bursting with pride at 2 Saints supporters who phoned in, a Ryan and a Robbie. What positivity and faith in the club, its Academy and future. What a contrast to posters on here, who clearly must be in the minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintnicoolas Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 http://bwinbetting.com/leagues/premier-league/southampton-celtic-vandijk,58838.html Always take these articles with a pinch of salt but the writer seems to know of recent press articles on potential signings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
washsaint Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 What a bunch of hand wringing pussies we have for 'fans'. Old Nick - your, frankly, stupid comments about Kruger opening the door to sales is getting as tiresome as 'they got way with it' bleats......ffs: what on earth do you want them to say: no-one is for sale and noone will be leaving? And then look stupid when the players force a move (e.g. lallana and Lovren). I'd hate to be in the trenches with some of you lot. Defeatist, feeling of entitlement and just pure whinging seems to be the order of the day! Any player will go for a bigger enough offer: from any club. including Man U, Liverpool or others. This is not unique to Saints, but more we had a crop of very good players that other teams now covet. I have faith that koeman will do well and we will offer more than a Plan A. certainly the plaers who have been with him for the last 3 weeks seem very impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefuriousb Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 Just how difficult is it to keep a thread on topic ??? So difficult the site should just be closed down. The online wrist-slitters can then just do the whole world a favour, or just me would suffice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 Thought this was for transfer talk only lol It was better with the totty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 It was better with the totty! After seeing how excitable you got by all of that yesterday I think you ought to change your name to dirtyoldgit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifeintheslowlane Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 Van Dijk is somebody I have not heard of until now. There again Iam insular and only watch English football. Like our 2signings I an unsure how they will cope with pL football. I just hope they are better than Steve who came from Dutch football. Here you are Nick...something to cheer you up. [video=youtube;oY-RXVRpnUY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY-RXVRpnUY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 What a bunch of hand wringing pussies we have for 'fans'. Old Nick - your, frankly, stupid comments about Kruger opening the door to sales is getting as tiresome as 'they got way with it' bleats......ffs: what on earth do you want them to say: no-one is for sale and noone will be leaving? And then look stupid when the players force a move (e.g. lallana and Lovren). I'd hate to be in the trenches with some of you lot. Defeatist, feeling of entitlement and just pure whinging seems to be the order of the day! Any player will go for a bigger enough offer: from any club. including Man U, Liverpool or others. This is not unique to Saints, but more we had a crop of very good players that other teams now covet. I have faith that koeman will do well and we will offer more than a Plan A. certainly the plaers who have been with him for the last 3 weeks seem very impressed. You sit there and suck it all up, I may be a hand wringing pussy but I did not fall for the Kruger and Reed double act. They have made mugs of many fans and I find it distasteful, but as long as there are never say die fans like yourself who will take a good ramming and still come back for more there will be more to come. We have bought 2 players from the Dutch league , get the bunting out, if we buy a couple of others you can organise a street party. Yes players will go to other clubs, I have seen lots of it for decades, but this many! and the club not having replacements in before they have gone or at the very least nearly signed is negligent. In life I have found that people who tell it as it is get abuse because they hit the point , people don't like the truth they like lala land. As for being in the trenches, I have met many wartime heroes with gallantry medals and the ones who won anything were not the ones who bragged about being good in the trenches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 That is not a signal that they want to keep hold of him. Saying he is not for sale is. EVERY player has a price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cellone Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 After reading the whole thread I would like to thank Polaroid saint for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 After seeing how excitable you got by all of that yesterday I think you ought to change your name to dirtyoldgit Just needed something to take my mind off of all the doom and gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 What a bunch of hand wringing pussies we have for 'fans'. Old Nick - your, frankly, stupid comments about Kruger opening the door to sales is getting as tiresome as 'they got way with it' bleats......ffs: what on earth do you want them to say: no-one is for sale and noone will be leaving? And then look stupid when the players force a move (e.g. lallana and Lovren). I'd hate to be in the trenches with some of you lot. Defeatist, feeling of entitlement and just pure whinging seems to be the order of the day! Any player will go for a bigger enough offer: from any club. including Man U, Liverpool or others. This is not unique to Saints, but more we had a crop of very good players that other teams now covet. I have faith that koeman will do well and we will offer more than a Plan A. certainly the plaers who have been with him for the last 3 weeks seem very impressed. Very good post which I totally agree with The only point I would add is that both Reed and Kruegar said we are not a selling club I think what they meant by that was that the club does not need to sell to move forward but of course they will sell if players do not want play for the club. We have really done well to get £75m for Lallana Lovren and Shaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 Here you are Nick...something to cheer you up. [video=youtube;oY-RXVRpnUY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY-RXVRpnUY thanks for that, he certainly likes to break forward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 What a bunch of hand wringing pussies we have for 'fans'. Old Nick - your, frankly, stupid comments about Kruger opening the door to sales is getting as tiresome as 'they got way with it' bleats......ffs: what on earth do you want them to say: no-one is for sale and noone will be leaving? And then look stupid when the players force a move (e.g. lallana and Lovren). I'd hate to be in the trenches with some of you lot. Defeatist, feeling of entitlement and just pure whinging seems to be the order of the day! Any player will go for a bigger enough offer: from any club. including Man U, Liverpool or others. This is not unique to Saints, but more we had a crop of very good players that other teams now covet. I have faith that koeman will do well and we will offer more than a Plan A. certainly the plaers who have been with him for the last 3 weeks seem very impressed. Very good post Washsaint; sums up my feelings on a range of subjects very well. As for Old Nick, check out the PTS thread - he's one of the most pro skate posters on there. We seem to have a lot of invertebrates on this board which is a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevvy Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 So going by south today LOuvren is having a medical at Liverpool over the weekend. So does that mean we have a replacement ready and waiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 Very good post Washsaint; sums up my feelings on a range of subjects very well. As for Old Nick, check out the PTS thread - he's one of the most pro skate posters on there. We seem to have a lot of invertebrates on this board which is a shame. Pro skate lol, yep you have got me there, there I was covering my pro Skate feelings by telling the world they will get away with it, which they did. No backbone , but unlike some Iam not solid bone from the neck up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 Uh oh, no Chambers in tonight's squad..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didcot Saint Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 It's all very well having millions in the bank but we actually need some players to actually play football on the pitch as I have concluded that's what an actual Football Club is about. Sell Lovren yes, but anymore and we really will be flirting with disaster. MS must stay imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratio_decidendi Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 Uh oh, no Chambers in tonight's squad..... No Wanyama either. I wouldn't read too much into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 Uh oh, no Chambers in tonight's squad..... Will be seriously concerned if we sell him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 If the club sell chambers then we need some sort of statement about what is going on behind the scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
for_heaven's_Saint Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 No Wanyama either. I wouldn't read too much into it. He's on international duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliemiller Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 It's all very well having millions in the bank but we actually need some players to actually play football on the pitch as I have concluded that's what an actual Football Club is about. Sell Lovren yes, but anymore and we really will be flirting with disaster. MS must stay imo. Looks like Chambers is gone .....so flirting with disaster it is then !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puddings and Monkeys Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 If the club sell chambers then we need some sort of statement about what is going on behind the scenes. A statement, yes, that will sort it all out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 (edited) No Wanyama either. I wouldn't read too much into it. Wanayma is on international duty with Kenya. They have a two legged match vs Lesotho, first game was on 20th July, second game 2nd August. Edited 25 July, 2014 by Matthew Le God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SB Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 makes me sick, was going to rant but what's the point, hopefully by the time saints play Liverpool we will have a starting eleven to be proud of again. Although with three weeks to go we will most likely get a ramming by Liverpool and the supports that shout bedwetting will say the team needs time to 'gel' uhoh.. *rollyeyedthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 A statement, yes, that will sort it all out. It would be a start. This is just mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratio_decidendi Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 He's on international duty. Oh, really? I swear I saw him in the training clips. My mistake, must have been Mayuka.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_ed Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 Knowing Callum's agent it wouldn't surprise me if he would be pushing to get him a move to be honest. I'm very concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Saint Posted 25 July, 2014 Share Posted 25 July, 2014 Looks like Chambers is gone .....so flirting with disaster it is then !! A sign of the madness of this transfer window that a player not making the bench for a friendly match is proof that he is gone. We might as well give up if we sell Chambers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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