Dalek2003 Posted 20 December, 2015 Share Posted 20 December, 2015 You were doing comedy "we're going to be relegated" routines this time last year when we were in the top five. Anyone who has been on this forum for a few years knows exactly what you are. You are entitled to your opinion, but it would be nice if you engaged in a discussion of the topic once in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 20 December, 2015 Share Posted 20 December, 2015 You are entitled to your opinion, but it would be nice if you engaged in a discussion of the topic once in a while. Very funny. Very, very funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggles31 Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 Like I said previously, NO CHANCE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 27 December, 2015 Share Posted 27 December, 2015 Lump on boys - Villa and Sunderland look like they're putting a run together. Koeman is clueless and lost the plot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScepticalStan Posted 29 December, 2015 Share Posted 29 December, 2015 Odds on us to be relegated are now 40/1 with Stan James. We were 200/1 prior to home matches against Spurs, Arsenal and the away match with West Ham. To drop to 40/1 from 200/1 after collecting 3 points from those fixtures (roughly par for the course) is very strange. Honestly, I think SJ must have made a mistake or failed to update their book. Good bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shurlock Posted 29 December, 2015 Share Posted 29 December, 2015 Odds on us to be relegated are now 40/1 with Stan James. We were 200/1 prior to home matches against Spurs, Arsenal and the away match with West Ham. To drop to 40/1 from 200/1 after collecting 3 points from those fixtures (roughly par for the course) is very strange. Honestly, I think SJ must have made a mistake or failed to update their book. Good bet. Are they allowing punters to cash out? If so, what are they offering if you backed relegation at 200/1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 29 December, 2015 Share Posted 29 December, 2015 Alan Shearer said that we would be okay, so that's good enough for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScepticalStan Posted 29 December, 2015 Share Posted 29 December, 2015 Are they allowing punters to cash out? If so, what are they offering if you backed relegation at 200/1. They don't, but I could probably lay the bet on Betfair for a ~£30 profit or so. Would rather just let it ride though. £12 is nothing and I just want the peace of mind that insurance brings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nta786 Posted 29 December, 2015 Share Posted 29 December, 2015 Alan Shearer said that we would be okay, so that's good enough for me! He also said we punched above our weight last season too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 29 December, 2015 Share Posted 29 December, 2015 Betting on your own team to get relegated? I've got £100 on Newport County to go down out of the football league this season at 5/1, looked like a very safe bet when the millionaire Chairman left in March, they released all but 4 players and appointed Terry Butcher, but somehow there are currently 4 teams worse than them. Will be delighted if they stay up though, but it was good value for what looked like a certainty in pre-season. Betting on Saints to go down would just be stupid, it's not going to happen and it's not even close to happening this season, so there's no value there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScepticalStan Posted 29 December, 2015 Share Posted 29 December, 2015 Betting on Saints to go down would just be stupid, it's not going to happen and it's not even close to happening this season, so there's no value there. Then lay the bet at 1000/1 and take my money. Incidentally, I seem to recall you telling me that I was stupid to suggest that our squad wasn't as strong as last seasons or the season before that. You also told me that I was stupid to suggest that we direct our efforts away from the League Cup as we weren't strong enough to win it (which resulted in us getting ****ted 1-6 by Liverpool before subsequently dropping vital points at home to the bottom club Villa). You don't appear to have a terrific track record here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 30 December, 2015 Share Posted 30 December, 2015 Lump on boys - Villa and Sunderland look like they're putting a run together. Koeman is clueless and lost the plot Assume this is humour? Villa 3 points from last six games. They look buggered. We've picked up 4. Not ideal. United also picked up 3 out of 18. Hilarious. Sunderland 6, Chelsea 6, Everton 6. So our form is not that out of line with many teams. I'm not a betting man as such, but you could lock Villa in for the drop now just about. Not even a Leicester type revival could help them. And that's the minimum Sunderland would need I reckon as well. Unlikely. Swansea, Bournemouth, Norwich, Newcastle all likely to struggle on as well. Not saying we COULDN'T find ourselves in trouble yet, but something REALLY bad would have to happen I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Garrett Posted 30 December, 2015 Share Posted 30 December, 2015 Assume this is humour? Villa 3 points from last six games. They look buggered. We've picked up 4. Not ideal. United also picked up 3 out of 18. Hilarious. Sunderland 6, Chelsea 6, Everton 6. So our form is not that out of line with many teams. I'm not a betting man as such, but you could lock Villa in for the drop now just about. Not even a Leicester type revival could help them. And that's the minimum Sunderland would need I reckon as well. Unlikely. Swansea, Bournemouth, Norwich, Newcastle all likely to struggle on as well. Not saying we COULDN'T find ourselves in trouble yet, but something REALLY bad would have to happen I think. Still more than Man Utd have got in December....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 30 December, 2015 Share Posted 30 December, 2015 He also said we punched above our weight last season too. Which is probably a fair reflection given that we did slip down the table after a bright start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 30 December, 2015 Share Posted 30 December, 2015 I've got £100 on Newport County to go down out of the football league this season at 5/1, looked like a very safe bet when the millionaire Chairman left in March, they released all but 4 players and appointed Terry Butcher, but somehow there are currently 4 teams worse than them. Will be delighted if they stay up though, but it was good value for what looked like a certainty in pre-season. Betting on Saints to go down would just be stupid, it's not going to happen and it's not even close to happening this season, so there's no value there. Its not the value I am worried about though it is just the concept of betting on your own team to get relegated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 30 December, 2015 Share Posted 30 December, 2015 Assume this is humour? Villa 3 points from last six games. They look buggered. We've picked up 4. Not ideal. United also picked up 3 out of 18. Hilarious. Sunderland 6, Chelsea 6, Everton 6. So our form is not that out of line with many teams. I'm not a betting man as such, but you could lock Villa in for the drop now just about. Not even a Leicester type revival could help them. And that's the minimum Sunderland would need I reckon as well. Unlikely. Swansea, Bournemouth, Norwich, Newcastle all likely to struggle on as well. Not saying we COULDN'T find ourselves in trouble yet, but something REALLY bad would have to happen I think. Definitely sarcasm, debatable as to humour. There are so many sides worse than us - cannot be complacent but Sunderland and Villa have gone. My predictions are worth f all though as Ladbrokes will testify this season. Cue Sunderland to stuff Liverpool tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScepticalStan Posted 2 January, 2016 Share Posted 2 January, 2016 Betting on Saints to go down would just be stupid, it's not going to happen and it's not even close to happening this season ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 7 February, 2016 Share Posted 7 February, 2016 5000/1 now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Saint Without a Halo Posted 7 February, 2016 Share Posted 7 February, 2016 We are staying up We are staying up For those of us who were present in our hanging on days 37 points was always the target and we usually got there in the last one to three games Although I do believe there was one team who went down on 37 so could be in trouble if we contrive to lose 13 games in a row! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 7 February, 2016 Share Posted 7 February, 2016 5000/1 now Ahhh St lej probably didn't get a chance to trade out. why aren't the odds plummeting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Lej Posted 7 February, 2016 Author Share Posted 7 February, 2016 Glad I've lost the bet. It's just a self compensating mechanism I often use to compensate myself for potentially disastrous things happening to saints. Usually then guarantees saints coming good. It's not for everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 7 February, 2016 Share Posted 7 February, 2016 We are staying up We are staying up For those of us who were present in our hanging on days 37 points was always the target and we usually got there in the last one to three games Although I do believe there was one team who went down on 37 so could be in trouble if we contrive to lose 13 games in a row! I think West Ham went down on 40 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW5 SAINT Posted 7 February, 2016 Share Posted 7 February, 2016 I think West Ham went down on 40 points. I think it was 42(may even have been 44) in 2003. I should know, I've heard there fans whinge about it often enough. Although I hate to say it, just wish I had put money on spurs for the title! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doddisalegend Posted 7 February, 2016 Share Posted 7 February, 2016 I think it was 42(may even have been 44) in 2003. I should know, I've heard there fans whinge about it often enough. Although I hate to say it, just wish I had put money on spurs for the title! Still think it will be Leicester I think they have unstoppable momentum (bar mass injuries) now. Hopefully we will beat spurs and deny them the title by 3pts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Fry Posted 7 February, 2016 Share Posted 7 February, 2016 Still think it will be Leicester I think they have unstoppable momentum (bar mass injuries) now. Hopefully we will beat spurs and deny them the title by 3pts ? I still don't think they will win the league. After Arsenal (which they can win) they have some blatantly winnable games - Norwich, Watford, Newcastle, West Brom, Palace. But they walk into those games as the top team and with an expectation to win them. It's a new pressure, the pressure to turn up and win. So I can easily see them beating Arsenal then saving their choking for matches against teams more desperate for points at the other end of the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 7 February, 2016 Share Posted 7 February, 2016 Anyone who at any point this season thought we'd go down is very poor at being able to analyse the quality of players. Anyone who put money on Saints to be relegated was wasting money whether the odds were 200/1 or 5000/1 or 1,000,000/1, it was never going to happen so didn't matter how good the odds looked it was wasted money. We only lost 3 players from last seasons squad of note and it wasn't hard to see they were all of good quality. The only doubt should have been quite how good they could become, not that they were going to bring down the level of the rest of the squad to relegation fodder levels. There was still a huge amount of top half quality in the squad and the depth improved this summer as we not only brought in replacements for the 3 main departures, but also additional players which increased the number of senior players and depth to the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 7 February, 2016 Share Posted 7 February, 2016 5000/1 now Coincidentally, the same odds as the ones at the beginning of season for Leicester winning the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScepticalStan Posted 7 February, 2016 Share Posted 7 February, 2016 Anyone who at any point this season thought we'd go down is very poor at being able to analyse the quality of players. Anyone who put money on Saints to be relegated was wasting money whether the odds were 200/1 or 5000/1 or 1,000,000/1, it was never going to happen so didn't matter how good the odds looked it was wasted money. If it was a sure thing, then I presume you put your life savings on against the bet when we were around 20/1? effortlessly helping yourselves to thousands of £££? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScepticalStan Posted 7 February, 2016 Share Posted 7 February, 2016 Glad I've lost the bet. It's just a self compensating mechanism I often use to compensate myself for potentially disastrous things happening to saints. Usually then guarantees saints coming good. It's not for everyone I've said this several times. If you take out life insurance, you are quite literally betting on your own death. Likewise if you take out fire insurance on your house - you're literally betting your house goes up in flames. There's not even a shred of exaggeration involved there; it's precisely what you're doing when you extrapolate the exchange of money vs circumstances needed for payout. If people can grasp the concept of insurance for everything else, they should be able to grasp the concept when it comes to football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd Posted 7 February, 2016 Share Posted 7 February, 2016 I've said this several times. If you take out life insurance, you are quite literally betting on your own death. Likewise if you take out fire insurance on your house - you're literally betting your house goes up in flames. There's not even a shred of exaggeration involved there; it's precisely what you're doing when you extrapolate the exchange of money vs circumstances needed for payout. If people can grasp the concept of insurance for everything else, they should be able to grasp the concept when it comes to football. I often bet against us. If we win it's cost me a tenner. If we lose I've got the financial gain to help soften the blow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintBobby Posted 7 February, 2016 Share Posted 7 February, 2016 Anyone who at any point this season thought we'd go down is very poor at being able to analyse the quality of players. Anyone who put money on Saints to be relegated was wasting money whether the odds were 200/1 or 5000/1 or 1,000,000/1, it was never going to happen so didn't matter how good the odds looked it was wasted money. We only lost 3 players from last seasons squad of note and it wasn't hard to see they were all of good quality. The only doubt should have been quite how good they could become, not that they were going to bring down the level of the rest of the squad to relegation fodder levels. There was still a huge amount of top half quality in the squad and the depth improved this summer as we not only brought in replacements for the 3 main departures, but also additional players which increased the number of senior players and depth to the squad. This isn't really true, especially if you use betfair. A couple of years ago, I placed a bet on Saints to win the league. Which is never going to happen (and even more "never going to happen" than relegation!) The odds moved in by about 90% in the first couple of months, just before we lost 2-0 away Arsenal. I cashed out just before this match, making a 1,000% return on my stake. If you could get 1,000,000/1 on Saints being relegated a little while back, you'd have been made not to take it (even on an expected value basis, even if you can't cash out). And as we sit today, 1,000,000/1 is probably worth it (although it would probably be some weird points deduction for something that would be more likely to get us relegated that us losing 13 matches in a row). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 8 February, 2016 Share Posted 8 February, 2016 5000/1 now Koeman still clueless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 8 February, 2016 Share Posted 8 February, 2016 Koeman still clueless? Think he might be a little smarter than you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 8 February, 2016 Share Posted 8 February, 2016 I've said this several times. If you take out life insurance, you are quite literally betting on your own death. Likewise if you take out fire insurance on your house - you're literally betting your house goes up in flames. There's not even a shred of exaggeration involved there; it's precisely what you're doing when you extrapolate the exchange of money vs circumstances needed for payout. If people can grasp the concept of insurance for everything else, they should be able to grasp the concept when it comes to football. No you are not, when you buy insurance you are purchasing the restoration of your position before an act occurs. So if your house burns down you get your house put back etc you are not betting on it. Betting you want something to happen, insurance you don't want it to happen but you get restoration of it does, winning £50 on Saints losing doesn't restore you to your previous position, it might make you feel better but I know it wouldn't make me feel better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelman Posted 8 February, 2016 Share Posted 8 February, 2016 If you take out life insurance, you are quite literally betting on your own death. If I don't take out life insurance, does that mean I won't die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarrettIvo Posted 8 February, 2016 Share Posted 8 February, 2016 I still don't think they will win the league. After Arsenal (which they can win) they have some blatantly winnable games - Norwich, Watford, Newcastle, West Brom, Palace. But they walk into those games as the top team and with an expectation to win them. It's a new pressure, the pressure to turn up and win. So I can easily see them beating Arsenal then saving their choking for matches against teams more desperate for points at the other end of the table. Not to mention us. As we'll hopefully still be in the mix for a top 6 spot at that stage I'm not charitable enough to wish them another three points to stave off Spurs. But I would hate it if we beat them and it ended up being the difference in them claiming the title or those London bastards winning it instead. Of course, if we can go to WHL as well and nick a win then all's well that ends well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Ash Posted 8 February, 2016 Share Posted 8 February, 2016 life insurance is betting on own death? Surely it would be the same as betting that a game would finish and taking money? nothing whatsoever the same as backing saints for failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 8 February, 2016 Share Posted 8 February, 2016 If I don't take out life insurance, does that mean I won't die? I wouldn't bet on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScepticalStan Posted 8 February, 2016 Share Posted 8 February, 2016 No you are not, when you buy insurance you are purchasing the restoration of your position before an act occurs And how is your 'position restored'? What means is used to incentivise other humans to collaborate upon 'restoring your position'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 9 February, 2016 Share Posted 9 February, 2016 Think he might be a little smarter than you. Must be a genius with an IQ above 147 then :smug: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 9 February, 2016 Share Posted 9 February, 2016 Must be a genius with an IQ above 147 then :smug: Do Mensa test ability to understand sarcasm these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 9 February, 2016 Share Posted 9 February, 2016 No you are not, when you buy insurance you are purchasing the restoration of your position before an act occurs. So if your house burns down you get your house put back etc you are not betting on it. Betting you want something to happen, insurance you don't want it to happen but you get restoration of it does, winning £50 on Saints losing doesn't restore you to your previous position, it might make you feel better but I know it wouldn't make me feel better. Quite. I'll win £600 if Newport County get relegated this season, but it'll take a lot more money than that to get them back up OR to make me feel better about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint IQ Posted 15 February, 2016 Share Posted 15 February, 2016 Do Mensa test ability to understand sarcasm these days? Without knowing any of the posters well or in person, I don't think many people will be able to irrefutably comprehend whether or not certain posts are sarcasm or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 15 February, 2016 Share Posted 15 February, 2016 Without knowing any of the posters well or in person, I don't think many people will be able to irrefutably comprehend whether or not certain posts are sarcasm or not. Yes appreciate that. For the record I was mocking some people's reaction to our poor run and how relegation was on the cards and Koeman didn't have a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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