what is lowe getting out of being here?

[lordswoodsaints]

it is flogging a dead horse.

the life and spirit left a long time ago,there is nothing left of any real value,the debts are piling up and the majority want his nuts as earings, so what exactly is he getting out of being here?

if rumours are to be believed he is only working part time,his shares aint worth a w@nk and whatever he does good or bad,he will always be unpopular.

 

the bloke either has a screw loose or he likes the punishment.

 

he might foolishly think he can pull a miracle out of the hat and turn the clubs fortunes around,he might even have an ace up his sleeve,who knows? (very unlikely)

 

the facts are he has taken a job on that nobody else in their right mind (unless you are a multi millionaire) would ever touch,so why is he still hanging around.

 

there has to be something in it for him and i refuse to believe he is doing it as some sort of crusade,or he is on a massive ego trip.his shares are virtually worthless and it doesnt look like he needs the money so why bother?

 

why put your family and well being at risk for the sake of a failed football club.......it doesnt add up.

[alpine_saint]

it is flogging a dead horse.

the life and spirit left a long time ago,there is nothing left of any real value,the debts are piling up and the majority want his nuts as earings, so what exactly is he getting out of being here?

if rumours are to be believed he is only working part time,his shares aint worth a w@nk and whatever he does good or bad,he will always be unpopular.

 

the bloke either has a screw loose or he likes the punishment.

 

he might foolishly think he can pull a miracle out of the hat and turn the clubs fortunes around,he might even have an ace up his sleeve,who knows? (very unlikely)

 

the facts are he has taken a job on that nobody else in their right mind (unless you are a multi millionaire) would ever touch,so why is he still hanging around.

 

there has to be something in it for him and i refuse to believe he is doing it as some sort of crusade,or he is on a massive ego trip.his shares are virtually worthless and it doesnt look like he needs the money so why bother?

 

why put your family and well being at risk for the sake of a failed football club.......it doesnt add up.

 

Havent you answered your own question ?

 

After the "anonymous letter" at the AGM, I favour the insanity explanation.

 

He also has an ego the size of the continental US. It can only be one or the other.

[Master Bates]

Klingons spring to mind.

[krissyboy31]

I'm begining to think it's about REVENGE. To ruin everybody that ousted him in the first place and that includes fans and shareholders.

[Mole]

He's doing it for the money. Money has always been Lowes motivation for being at Saints.

[N/West Saint]

I imagine he thinks he can sort out the finances and get us back on track, however slowly. Let's face it, he loved the limelight, and no doubt the money premiership brought, and he'll want to get back there as much as anyone. I do believe he became a saints fan too. He doesn't help himself one bit that's for sure, but I don't doubt he believes he can turn it around.

 

To be honest I'd be much the same, I mean, what is there to lose? If everyone hates you and they've forgotton any good you may have done in the past, then by giving up you're resigning yourself to that forever. But by staying he has some chance of changing that, however small. He's ****ed me off enough times, but I do appreciate what he's trying to do this time. Plus, I like seeing people turn things round from difficult positions.

 

 

Water into wine comes to mind

[alpine_saint]

I imagine he thinks he can sort out the finances and get us back on track, however slowly. Let's face it, he loved the limelight, and no doubt the money premiership brought, and he'll want to get back there as much as anyone. I do believe he became a saints fan too. He doesn't help himself one bit that's for sure, but I don't doubt he believes he can turn it around.

 

To be honest I'd be much the same, I mean, what is there to lose? If everyone hates you and they've forgotton any good you may have done in the past, then by giving up you're resigning yourself to that forever. But by staying he has some chance of changing that, however small. He's ****ed me off enough times, but I do appreciate what he's trying to do this time. Plus, I like seeing people turn things round from difficult positions.

 

So, do you want someone so out-of-touch with reality driving this club on a course to oblivion ?

 

He is the LAST person in this whole wide world that can achieve these sort of aims, since he has divided the club like no-one else. Ever.

[Big Ron fan]

I'm begining to think it's about REVENGE. To ruin everybody that ousted him in the first place and that includes fans and shareholders.

 

Yep! Plus a lot of arrogance and, quite likely, more than a little lunacy.

[Big Ron fan]

Water into wine comes to mind

 

You mean wine (albeit non-vintage) into water!

[lordswoodsaints]

He's doing it for the money. Money has always been Lowes motivation for being at Saints.

 

there is no money to be had unless we get promoted which will be very very very unlikely in our present form.

 

he also could be hoping to broker a takeover for a nice fee i suppose but even that looks about as likely as promotion.

[labibs]

He's doing it for the money. Money has always been Lowes motivation for being at Saints.

 

Don't want to spark a big Lowe Luvvie debate, but he won't be making much money from Saints at the minute would he? Is he on a salary? If he is, I would imagine that it is not too high (compared to Lowe's personal wealth). Or is he merely trying to safeguard his investment in the club by doing his best to keep us out of administration (where I imagine he would lose a lot of the value of his shares)

[alpine_saint]

there is no money to be had unless we get promoted which will be very very very unlikely in our present form.

 

he also could be hoping to broker a takeover for a nice fee i suppose but even that looks about as likely as promotion.

 

I also beleive that it has nothing to do with money anymore. The club is broke and the Devil will be skating to work before it can pay a dividend again, the share price is so shiitt because of that that he will never get his golden 65p a share that he wanted for him and his cronies from Crouch, and I dont beleive he is paying himself a kings ransom for his part-time work, because the bank would object.

 

It's ego or lunacy, plain and simple.

[St Paul]

Money is the only reason he got involved in the first place and it's the only reason he is here.

 

If he could make £100,000 profit as a League 1 Club, he would rather do that than post a loss as a CCC Club.

[docker-p]

Don't be fooled by Lowe, he ain't as wealthy as people think. He needs the money, including the salary he is paying himself.

 

But to be honest judging by his recent actions I do truelly believe he has some sort of psycological disorder.

[thelamprey]

I do think he is actually mentally ill. Most rich people are however they tend to be successful sociopaths and psychos

[lordswoodsaints]

Money is the only reason he got involved in the first place and it's the only reason he is here.

 

If he could make £100,000 profit as a League 1 Club, he would rather do that than post a loss as a CCC Club.

 

do you honestly believe we would make a profit as a legue 1 club?

if you do you must have the same illness as lowe:rolleyes:

[Mole]

there is no money to be had unless we get promoted which will be very very very unlikely in our present form.

 

he also could be hoping to broker a takeover for a nice fee i suppose but even that looks about as likely as promotion.

 

Don't want to spark a big Lowe Luvvie debate, but he won't be making much money from Saints at the minute would he? Is he on a salary? If he is, I would imagine that it is not too high (compared to Lowe's personal wealth). Or is he merely trying to safeguard his investment in the club by doing his best to keep us out of administration (where I imagine he would lose a lot of the value of his shares)

 

He's back to asset strip us to the bone to try to protect his shares. He's wasting his time though because the fans hate him and those boycotting because of him will see that the club goes into administration and him and Wilde will lose everything they have tied up in the club. Serves them right.

[Chez]

He's got about £500,000 tied up in shares (worth about £330,000 at present). He came back to stop those shares becoming worthless.

[Lord Duckhunter]

do you honestly believe we would make a profit as a legue 1 club?

if you do you must have the same illness as lowe:rolleyes:

 

Be fair, the guy said if he COULD make a profit in League 1, he would rather that than a loss in this league.

 

The point is, Lowe is not bothered by anything but money, the sooner people realise this the better.

[alpine_saint]

He's got about £500,000 tied up in shares (worth about £330,000 at present). He came back to stop those shares becoming worthless.

 

He's doing a truly superb job...

[Chez]

He's doing a truly superb job...

 

I guess he would argue that if he hadn't done what he had done then the club would be in admin by now. Who knows.

 

I'm interested to know how much he is paying himself. I heard he was only working part time so I'd hope it wasn't the £200,000 plus bonuses he was getting whilst we were in the top flight.

[Alanh]

I would guess it's professional pride. He's a city boy who has been educated to make a commercial success out of business. He owns and represents shares in an ailing company and believes that he has to do whatever he can to save the company. I agree that money is his key motivator because in the world he has come from success or failure is always judged on a balance sheet.

 

Whether he is going about things the right way will only be known in the future.

[derry]

Be fair, the guy said if he COULD make a profit in League 1, he would rather that than a loss in this league.

 

The point is, Lowe is not bothered by anything but money, the sooner people realise this the better.

 

 

He is just another bloody bean counter.

 

How many good companies have been ruined by their lack of anything but the ability to think of the bottom line.

 

Perks, Salary, Shares, Dividends, Profits, Costs etc it is all they know.

 

They don't know how to build successful companies, look after the people who work for them, speculate to accumulate.

 

Saints demise has been a typical bean counters balls up.

[del boy]

I do think he is actually mentally ill. Most rich people are however they tend to be successful sociopaths and psychos

 

Footballing aspects aside.....although I agree they are quite important on a football forum, IF he is taking as much out of the club as some people think (I've no idea if he is or isn't) then doesnt that make him the clever one?

[1965onwards]

My one consolation at the moment is that Lowe and his cronies will have undoubtedly lost quite a bit of money in the last 15 months since the Northern Rock fiasco foretold of what was to follow.

 

These kind of people always invest in the kind of things that have gone tits-up.

[derry]

Footballing aspects aside.....although I agree they are quite important on a football forum, IF he is taking as much out of the club as some people think (I've no idea if he is or isn't) then doesnt that make him the clever one?

 

Not if we were relegated on his watch, just when the Sky billions was coming on stream. Looks pretty stupid to me.

[saint1977]

I imagine he thinks he can sort out the finances and get us back on track, however slowly. Let's face it, he loved the limelight, and no doubt the money premiership brought, and he'll want to get back there as much as anyone. I do believe he became a saints fan too. He doesn't help himself one bit that's for sure, but I don't doubt he believes he can turn it around.

 

To be honest I'd be much the same, I mean, what is there to lose? If everyone hates you and they've forgotton any good you may have done in the past, then by giving up you're resigning yourself to that forever. But by staying he has some chance of changing that, however small. He's ****ed me off enough times, but I do appreciate what he's trying to do this time. Plus, I like seeing people turn things round from difficult positions.

 

Difficult is not the word I would use Adrian, near-impossible (OK, that's 2 words) would be my summary. A wealthy, successful man would find this hard, Lowe has been successful outside of football in the past but he's small fry compared to many Chairman even in Non-League and he only owns 6%. These are tough times and raising finance is very hard so if you haven't got any to bring to the party (doesn't seem that Wilde has), you are royally stuffed.

 

Unless he's bringing investors in, he cannot help SFC and as we're seeing from the Rudi situation and the increasing rumours that JP is fed up, his people management skills haven't improved either. I'd much prefer Andrew Cowen until we can find a CEO of Southampton Football Club calibre.

[instinct]

he does it because he can draw a paycheck from it

 

corners will be shut, staff will be fired before that paycheck drops

[Charlie Wayman]

It makes him feel like Mr Big! Otherwise, who else would ever give him the time of day?

[bridge too far]

It makes him feel like Mr Big! Otherwise, who else would ever give him the time of day?

 

Perhaps it's the only department he'll feel Big in :yawinkle:

[Dark Munster]

I'm begining to think it's about REVENGE. To ruin everybody that ousted him in the first place and that includes fans and shareholders.

 

That's not as mad as it sounds, if one believes the reports that Lowe uttered the words "lucky bastards" (or words to that effect) when Stern John scored the goal at the end of the season that kept Saints up.

[Mr X]

He's doing a truly superb job...

 

Agreed he's fooked up big time!

 

In all honestly he must be starting to worry by now, you'd think so anyway.

He knows the majority will put the blame on him for such a catastrophic appointment, but then maybe that was his grand plan maybe he realises he is never going to be accepted and that he's thought to himself well if i can't have the club then i'll make sure that noone else can! ................ just a theory

[St_Tel49]

He's back to asset strip us to the bone to try to protect his shares. He's wasting his time though because the fans hate him and those boycotting because of him will see that the club goes into administration and him and Wilde will lose everything they have tied up in the club. Serves them right.

 

Mods - can we have special thread that only Stanley can post on. It will soon build up to about 500 but we will only need to read the first one because they will all say exactly the same.

[CB Fry]

He's back to asset strip us to the bone to try to protect his shares. He's wasting his time though because the fans hate him and those boycotting because of him will see that the club goes into administration and him and Wilde will lose everything they have tied up in the club. Serves them right.

 

 

So just to confirm he's obsessed about money, only here for the money, absolutely money mad, money-money-money it's all he thinks about.

 

So how the **** is he going to make any money whatsoever by us being at the bottom of the league and having to sell what little assets we have. Him "asset stripping" (yawn) doesn't make him a penny short term or long term. You do talk one-note toss, Stanley.

 

 

Whatever anyone thinks about Lowe (and I have some choice words for the tw at) he clearly is here because he wants Saints to do well and he clearly wants to get Saints in the Premier League. And that is good for his bank balance, his ego, as a form of retribution and his reputation. Those last three are easily as important as money - if he was that money obsessed he could have sold up eons ago and made tons of money elsewhere.

 

His objective is "keep Saints out of administration, build for promotion, get promoted". That, to me, is unquestionable and is genuine for what its worth. He doesn't want the club to fail on his watch.

 

It's his methods, his attitude, his decisions and the rest of it that are the major problem. This is mainly fuelled by pig headedly being desperate to be seen to be "right all along". Of course, he's not right. He's a plank.

 

That's what will see us in League one and bust, I'm afraid.

[lordswoodsaints]

Be fair, the guy said if he COULD make a profit in League 1, he would rather that than a loss in this league.

 

The point is, Lowe is not bothered by anything but money, the sooner people realise this the better.

 

ok fair enough but there are easier ways to make money for a man like lowe,anybody trying to make money out of us at the moment will end up hungry and homeless.

 

i really cant see him doing it for the money,he may be doing it for the potential of earning money if the club get promoted but he really isnt doing anything to improve our chances of that.

[SaintRobbie]

Sorry, plenty to say but Dulldays and Sundance get upset.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

Sorry, plenty to say but Dulldays and Sundance get upset.

 

Post away

Surely you are just as entiltled to say what you feel just as they are.

[Fowllyd]

So just to confirm he's obsessed about money, only here for the money, absolutely money mad, money-money-money it's all he thinks about.

 

So how the **** is he going to make any money whatsoever by us being at the bottom of the league and having to sell what little assets we have. Him "asset stripping" (yawn) doesn't make him a penny short term or long term. You do talk one-note toss, Stanley.

 

 

Whatever anyone thinks about Lowe (and I have some choice words for the tw at) he clearly is here because he wants Saints to do well and he clearly wants to get Saints in the Premier League. And that is good for his bank balance, his ego, as a form of retribution and his reputation. Those last three are easily as important as money - if he was that money obsessed he could have sold up eons ago and made tons of money elsewhere.

 

His objective is "keep Saints out of administration, build for promotion, get promoted". That, to me, is unquestionable and is genuine for what its worth. He doesn't want the club to fail on his watch.

 

It's his methods, his attitude, his decisions and the rest of it that are the major problem. This is mainly fuelled by pig headedly being desperate to be seen to be "right all along". Of course, he's not right. He's a plank.

 

That's what will see us in League one and bust, I'm afraid.

 

Good post. Another way of putting his desire to be seen as "right all along" is messiah complex (I'm starting to make a habit of posting that). In other words, he truly believes he's right and has been all along, and now wants everybody else to know it. The problem is that this belief and reality are growing further apart by the day.

[NickG]

So just to confirm he's obsessed about money, only here for the money, absolutely money mad, money-money-money it's all he thinks about.

 

So how the **** is he going to make any money whatsoever by us being at the bottom of the league and having to sell what little assets we have. Him "asset stripping" (yawn) doesn't make him a penny short term or long term. You do talk one-note toss, Stanley.

 

 

Whatever anyone thinks about Lowe (and I have some choice words for the tw at) he clearly is here because he wants Saints to do well and he clearly wants to get Saints in the Premier League. And that is good for his bank balance, his ego, as a form of retribution and his reputation. Those last three are easily as important as money - if he was that money obsessed he could have sold up eons ago and made tons of money elsewhere.

 

His objective is "keep Saints out of administration, build for promotion, get promoted". That, to me, is unquestionable and is genuine for what its worth. He doesn't want the club to fail on his watch.

 

It's his methods, his attitude, his decisions and the rest of it that are the major problem. This is mainly fuelled by pig headedly being desperate to be seen to be "right all along". Of course, he's not right. He's a plank.

 

That's what will see us in League one and bust, I'm afraid.

 

pretty good summary

[SaintRobbie]

Post away

Surely you are just as entiltled to say what you feel just as they are.

 

Ditto to CB Fry

[lordswoodsaints]

So just to confirm he's obsessed about money, only here for the money, absolutely money mad, money-money-money it's all he thinks about.

 

So how the **** is he going to make any money whatsoever by us being at the bottom of the league and having to sell what little assets we have. Him "asset stripping" (yawn) doesn't make him a penny short term or long term. You do talk one-note toss, Stanley.

 

 

Whatever anyone thinks about Lowe (and I have some choice words for the tw at) he clearly is here because he wants Saints to do well and he clearly wants to get Saints in the Premier League. And that is good for his bank balance, his ego, as a form of retribution and his reputation. Those last three are easily as important as money - if he was that money obsessed he could have sold up eons ago and made tons of money elsewhere.

 

His objective is "keep Saints out of administration, build for promotion, get promoted". That, to me, is unquestionable and is genuine for what its worth. He doesn't want the club to fail on his watch.

 

It's his methods, his attitude, his decisions and the rest of it that are the major problem. This is mainly fuelled by pig headedly being desperate to be seen to be "right all along". Of course, he's not right. He's a plank.

 

That's what will see us in League one and bust, I'm afraid.

 

exactly what i think,he is not here for the money,well not in the short term anyway, he must be here to prove everybody wrong and try and put things right,only then will he reap the rewards........but it looks very unlikely that this will happen,in fact i am sure it wont.

lowe obviously thinks it will happen and that is why he is blindly,foolishly and stubbornly clinging onto his plan.

it should just be a matter of time before he realises that it cannot go on as it is,but he will hold on until it is too late,we will be virtually relegated and he will probably just walk away.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Most rich people tend to be successful sociopaths and psychos

 

I understand there is good research evidence to back this up this rather disturbing statement .

 

I don't believe Rupert Lowe is here for the money , it's my opinion he psychologically needs the kudos/attention being Chairman of a large football club (or his brief attempt at a political career ) brings him . We're dealing with a extremely inflated ego here that must constantly prove to the world in the most public way possible just how infallible he is (ref nothing that ever goes wrong at SFC is ever RL's fault) . IMO he will never sell or voluntarily walk away from SFC under any circumstances whatsoever - it will have to be another 'kicking and screaming' job by the larger shareholders .

Edited 6 January, 2009 by CHAPEL END CHARLIE

[um pahars]

So just to confirm he's obsessed about money, only here for the money, absolutely money mad, money-money-money it's all he thinks about.

 

So how the **** is he going to make any money whatsoever by us being at the bottom of the league and having to sell what little assets we have. Him "asset stripping" (yawn) doesn't make him a penny short term or long term. You do talk one-note toss, Stanley.

 

 

Whatever anyone thinks about Lowe (and I have some choice words for the tw at) he clearly is here because he wants Saints to do well and he clearly wants to get Saints in the Premier League. And that is good for his bank balance, his ego, as a form of retribution and his reputation. Those last three are easily as important as money - if he was that money obsessed he could have sold up eons ago and made tons of money elsewhere.

 

His objective is "keep Saints out of administration, build for promotion, get promoted". That, to me, is unquestionable and is genuine for what its worth. He doesn't want the club to fail on his watch.

 

It's his methods, his attitude, his decisions and the rest of it that are the major problem. This is mainly fuelled by pig headedly being desperate to be seen to be "right all along". Of course, he's not right. He's a plank.

 

That's what will see us in League one and bust, I'm afraid.

 

Agree with alot of that and if there was one overiding factor for him being back this time, then I would say it is EGO.

 

He's still bitter that he was forced out, he believes he is the only one capable of turning this around and he will do exactly as he wants.

 

And this is why I am more worried this time around, because for me when ego's are involved, then very often people's decison making becomes blurred & not focussed, and they will plough on rather than admit they made a mistake.

[Legod Third Coming]

I do think he is actually mentally ill. Most rich people are however they tend to be successful sociopaths and psychos

 

Lowe is not Rich. Raymond Loewy was reasonably well off. Rob Lowe has a few quid. Sir Frank Lowe is minted.

 

But Rupert is middle-class - don't let him kid you otherwise.

[dubai_phil]

maybe he was simply getting bored sitting around his house all day long posting on internet forums under innumerable aliases?

[SaintRobbie]

maybe he was simply getting bored sitting around his house all day long posting on internet forums under innumerable aliases?

 

lol!

[saint1977]

So just to confirm he's obsessed about money, only here for the money, absolutely money mad, money-money-money it's all he thinks about.

 

So how the **** is he going to make any money whatsoever by us being at the bottom of the league and having to sell what little assets we have. Him "asset stripping" (yawn) doesn't make him a penny short term or long term. You do talk one-note toss, Stanley.

 

 

Whatever anyone thinks about Lowe (and I have some choice words for the tw at) he clearly is here because he wants Saints to do well and he clearly wants to get Saints in the Premier League. And that is good for his bank balance, his ego, as a form of retribution and his reputation. Those last three are easily as important as money - if he was that money obsessed he could have sold up eons ago and made tons of money elsewhere.

 

His objective is "keep Saints out of administration, build for promotion, get promoted". That, to me, is unquestionable and is genuine for what its worth. He doesn't want the club to fail on his watch.

 

It's his methods, his attitude, his decisions and the rest of it that are the major problem. This is mainly fuelled by pig headedly being desperate to be seen to be "right all along". Of course, he's not right. He's a plank.

 

That's what will see us in League one and bust, I'm afraid.

 

Superb post. There's few "tangible" assets for anyone to strip, unless they can put SMS as a physical entity in their swag-bag. Rupert did I'm sure come with the best of intentions but alas he's made a pigs ear of an already grave situation.

[saint1977]

maybe he was simply getting bored sitting around his house all day long posting on internet forums under innumerable aliases?

 

Sssh! Sundance won't want his "cover" blown...

[rocknrollman no2]

How about Rupert has come back here to deliberately drag this club down.

Hence why he has put Portaloo in charge and has told him to mostly play the kids.

Once we are down,we go into administration and then friends of Lowe come in and buy the whole club for next to nothing.His friends also agree to reward Lowe handsomely for saving them a lot of money.

Just think about it for a minute.

Lowe gets revenge on us fans,

Revenge against Crouch,

Also on Wilde who helped get rid of him first time round.

Only one flaw in this plan though.

Im suggesting Rupert is cunning and has some brains.

[sadoldgit]

I agree with CB Fry. But of course the main point is that if the others had not made such a pig's ear of things after he left he would not be back now, would he!