Tyler Dibling

[saintant]

2 minutes ago, sfc4prem said:

When exactly did we let JWP go, out of interest?

14th of August 2023. Not sure what point you're making but I was replying to someone who suggested we might sell Dibling too late to give us time to bring in a replacement.

[tdmickey3]

5 minutes ago, sfc4prem said:

When exactly did we let JWP go, out of interest?

Cannot remember but it was too cheap IMO

What is your point?

[Turkish]

Just now, tdmickey3 said:

Cannot remember but it was too cheap IMO

What is your point?

Was it? How so?

[tdmickey3]

Just now, Turkish said:

Was it? How so?

Yes In my opinion as I said, you don`t agree it would seem and that is your opinion.

[Farmer Saint]

If I were Wet Spam I'd be disappointed on my ROI from JWP.

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, tdmickey3 said:

Yes In my opinion as I said, you don`t agree it would seem and that is your opinion.

The question was how so? So i was asking you how you'd reached your opinion.

A fair question is it not?

[austsaint]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

If I were Wet Spam I'd be disappointed on my ROI from JWP.

Agree.   Saints getting 30m GBP for a 30 year old JWP was good business, though you could argue we overpaid somewhat for Flynn Downes.

[tdmickey3]

Just now, Turkish said:

The question was how so? So i was asking you how you'd reached your opinion.

A fair question is it not?

Yes its fair..

At the time I thought it was low for our captain, a consistently important player at the time.  Different reasons were given by others at around that time which I agreed with,  I cannot be bothered to look back at them, you can if you wish

[sfc4prem]

14 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Cannot remember but it was too cheap IMO

What is your point?

I cant remember an occasion where SR have let a player's transfer drag on until it was too late to replace them

[santolijador]

Does this latest news regarding our counter offer not imply that we have to make a big sale in order to fund other potential transfers (Spertsyan, Rudoni etc.)? 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, santolijador said:

Does this latest news regarding our counter offer not imply that we have to make a big sale in order to fund other potential transfers (Spertsyan, Rudoni etc.)? 

we have to sell someone significant....

[santolijador]

7 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

we have to sell someone significant....

Yes exactly, so are we are a bit hamstrung in terms of incoming transfers? Not sure of current PSR projections and so on, but this would explain a lack of incomings, and until something happens with Dibling, I am not confident we will be able to bring in those midfielders we so desperately need. 

[tdmickey3]

22 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

we have to sell someone significant....

And it will be a lower price than we seem to be putting out there 

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

And it will be a lower price than we seem to be putting out there 

Fine. If we get in the players needed who cares what amount they go for? 

Edited 21 hours ago by hypochondriac

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

Yes its fair..

At the time I thought it was low for our captain, a consistently important player at the time.  Different reasons were given by others at around that time which I agreed with,  I cannot be bothered to look back at them, you can if you wish

I thought it was a very fair price for these reasons

it was 30m pure profit, there were no outstanding transfer fees to be paid to other clubs. 

he was 28 at the time, his game is mainly based around set pieces an incredible workrate, those things generally start to dip after 30

Whilst he was an important player for us he really wasn't that great in terms of the premier league level

[Dman]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I thought it was a very fair price for these reasons

it was 30m pure profit, there were no outstanding transfer fees to be paid to other clubs. 

he was 28 at the time, his game is mainly based around set pieces an incredible workrate, those things generally start to dip after 30

Whilst he was an important player for us he really wasn't that great in terms of the premier league level

People like JWP, Bednerak, Adams etc. becoming key personal in our squad kind of summarise how far we've fallen. 

All of these are squad players, at best, for any half decent premier leauge side. 

[tdmickey3]

27 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I thought it was a very fair price for these reasons

it was 30m pure profit, there were no outstanding transfer fees to be paid to other clubs. 

he was 28 at the time, his game is mainly based around set pieces an incredible workrate, those things generally start to dip after 30

Whilst he was an important player for us he really wasn't that great in terms of the premier league level

Fair enough, it is game of opinions

[Ex Lion Tamer]

4 hours ago, tdmickey3 said:

And it will be a lower price than we seem to be putting out there 

Not that surprising that a club would set a high asking price as a negotiating position

[SuperSAINT]

 

[Challenger]

Get him ready for first team selection or get him gone.

 

[Lighthouse]

4 minutes ago, Challenger said:

Get him ready for first team selection or get him gone.

He'll go when Everton offer an amount that we consider acceptable.

[danjosaint]

Let him go a fraction cheaper but put a higher sell on percentage on the deal 

[Challenger]

6 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

He'll go when Everton offer an amount that we consider acceptable.

Fine, then get him available for first team selection then. He's a completely useless asset as it stands.

[Saint86]

1 hour ago, danjosaint said:

Let him go a fraction cheaper but put a higher sell on percentage on the deal 

Then they'll just fiddle a swap deal down the line or something and we'll get stitched up...

Edited 10 hours ago by Saint86

[East Kent Saint]

BBC football gossip saying Saints have made a counter offer to Everton's offer for Dibling 

[Weston Super Saint]

 

15 minutes ago, East Kent Saint said:

BBC football gossip saying Saints have made a counter offer to Everton's offer for Dibling 

What, this one from yesterday morning?

 

20 hours ago, SuperSAINT said:

 

[egg]

1 hour ago, East Kent Saint said:

BBC football gossip saying Saints have made a counter offer to Everton's offer for Dibling 

Calling up with a counter offer after we've rejected their offer feels a bit "please buy him, please". Let's see where this goes, but if that report is true, it seems like Everton's is the only cheque book in town and that we're keen to deal. 

[trousers]

1 minute ago, egg said:

Calling up with a counter offer after we've rejected their offer feels a bit "please buy him, please". Let's see where this goes, but if that report is true, it seems like Everton's is the only cheque book in town and that we're keen to deal. 

Indeed. He'll end up going for around the £40m mark I reckon (hunch).

[tdmickey3]

9 minutes ago, egg said:

Calling up with a counter offer after we've rejected their offer feels a bit "please buy him, please". Let's see where this goes, but if that report is true, it seems like Everton's is the only cheque book in town and that we're keen to deal. 

Yep, a bit desperate

[hypochondriac]

10 minutes ago, trousers said:

Indeed. He'll end up going for around the £40m mark I reckon (hunch).

I thought it was reported they already offered a deal with addons at 45.

[whelk]

10 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I thought it was reported they already offered a deal with addons at 45.

£35m + £8m I think was the 2nd rejected bid

Edited 1 hour ago by whelk

[whelk]

14 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Yep, a bit desperate

There are always desperate teams as the transfer window close approaches. 

[trousers]

17 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I thought it was reported they already offered a deal with addons at 45.

Ah, ok... Missed that if true. Thought Everton were still in the 30s but every chance I'm behind the times.

Edited 1 hour ago by trousers

[coalman]

10 minutes ago, whelk said:

There are always desperate teams as the transfer window close approaches. 

And we're usually one of them.

[gio1saints]

I think there’s one obvious way to convince Everton / an other club Tyler Dibling is worth what we are asking for if they are unconvinced. Play him. Maybe from the bench Ipswich or fuck it if he’s fit make him start. 

Mateus Fernandez showed why he is so highly valued the other night with one bit of extra quality. Most Saints fans believe Both are going to be top players.
And even though we had a shocking team last year it was obvious they had EPL quality and something else- star quality. So let him show the world. He can let his football do the talking. I’m sure we’d all agree that’s the best way to silence doubters. 

Edited 1 hour ago by gio1saints

[hypochondriac]

18 minutes ago, trousers said:

Ah, ok... Missed that if true. Thought Everton were still in the 30s but every chance I'm behind the times.

I swear I read that from someone but who knows loads of misinformation out there. 

[trousers]

9 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I swear I read that from someone but who knows loads of misinformation out there. 

I've not been following the developments very closely so most likely that I'm out of date 👍

[for_heaven's_Saint]

I thought those reports yesterday were just a rehash of the details that came out when Everton last bid. Ie we offered them the counter offer at that time rather than called them up a few days later. 

[Midfield_General]

1 hour ago, gio1saints said:

I think there’s one obvious way to convince Everton / an other club Tyler Dibling is worth what we are asking for if they are unconvinced. Play him. Maybe from the bench Ipswich or fuck it if he’s fit make him start. 

Mateus Fernandez showed why he is so highly valued the other night with one bit of extra quality. Most Saints fans believe Both are going to be top players.
And even though we had a shocking team last year it was obvious they had EPL quality and something else- star quality. So let him show the world. He can let his football do the talking. I’m sure we’d all agree that’s the best way to silence doubters. 

Not necessarily. When’s the last time he had a consistent run of games when he actually looked a £45m player? Two managers ago? The outrageous price we’re demanding is largely based on some good games he had before Christmas and then loads of hype from people within the club saying how much potential he’s got, and us pumping up his perceived value by bandying about figures like £100m in the hope that it makes people think an offer of £50m actually represents value. If we play him he might show a flash of genius that gets everyone scrabbling for him, but based on his form over the second half of the season he might also have people asking what all the fuss is about. 

Personally I think our summer transfer strategy was predisposed on him being the one we definitely sold because of his contract situation, and we can’t really move forward with the other signings we need until we sell him. We got a bit greedy, overplayed our hand, and now we’re stuck having to go back and look a bit sheepish as they’ve called our bluff. As they seem to be the only real option and time’s running out, a power move from Everton would be to lower the bid slightly and see what we do then, because if the counter offer is true we’re making it pretty obvious that our bluff’s been called and we need to sell him. I still think he’ll go there, probably for a deal worth about £40m and 10-15% sell-on, but it will be right at the end of the window and will put us under pressure. Our position was based on their being others who also wanted him and were prepared to join the bidding, but now with apparently no other interest, Everton hold the cards now really so they can make us sweat. 

Edited 13 minutes ago by Midfield_General

[gio1saints]

4 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Not necessarily. When’s the last time he had a consistent run of games when he actually looked a £45m player? Two managers ago? The outrageous price we’re demanding is largely based on some good games he had before Christmas and then loads of hype from people saying how much potential he’s got, and us pumping up his perceived value by bandying about figures like £100m in the hope that it makes people think an offer of £50m actually represents value. If we play him he might show a flash of genius that gets everyone scrabbling for him, but based on his form over the second half of the season he might also have people asking what all the fuss is about. 

Personally I think our summer transfer strategy was predisposed on him being the one we sold, and we can’t really move forward with the other signings we need until we sell him. We got a bit greedy, overplayed our hand, and now we’re stuck having to go back and look a bit sheepish as they’ve called our bluff. As they seem to be the only real option and time’s running out, a power move from Everton would be to lower the bid slightly and see what we do then, because if the counter offer is true we’re making it pretty obvious that our bluff’s been called and we need to sell him. I still think he’ll go there, probably for a deal worth about £40m and 10-15% sell-on, but it will be right at the end of the window and will put us under pressure. Everton hold the cards now really. 

Completely fair and valid alternate proposal. 🙏. 
Personally, I think Ipswich would be more frightened if he played than if he was kept away. Personally I think our team for Ipswich - and everything about the situation from a Saints pov - is better for him being at worst on bench than left at home. I - and most fans I suspect t would love to see a team that has Tyler, JR and Mateus all playing at same time against a top opponent- which Ipswich away certainly is. 

[Midfield_General]

7 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Completely fair and valid alternate proposal. 🙏. 
Personally, I think Ipswich would be more frightened if he played than if he was kept away. Personally I think our team for Ipswich - and everything about the situation from a Saints pov - is better for him being at worst on bench than left at home. I - and most fans I suspect t would love to see a team that has Tyler, JR and Mateus all playing at same time against a top opponent- which Ipswich away certainly is. 

That I agree with. If he’s ready to play, play him purely because he’s better on the right than any of our other options and we want to win the game. I think the risk of injury would be too much though so can’t see him playing again until after the window shuts if we’ve blown the game of transfer poker and he’s still here. 

Edited 49 minutes ago by Midfield_General

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

Completely fair and valid alternate proposal. 🙏. 
Personally, I think Ipswich would be more frightened if he played than if he was kept away. Personally I think our team for Ipswich - and everything about the situation from a Saints pov - is better for him being at worst on bench than left at home. I - and most fans I suspect t would love to see a team that has Tyler, JR and Mateus all playing at same time against a top opponent- which Ipswich away certainly is. 

I know it won't happen but if we managed to get them on at the same time:

Thb 

Downes Charles 

Dibling Fernandes 

Is a frankly ridiculous bunch of players in the championship and arguably superior to last year. 

[gio1saints]

5 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

That I agree with. If he’s ready to play, play him purely because he’s better on the right than any of our other options! 

No

No offence  @Midfield_General but you previously thought my suggestion to play him was not the way to go. Now you agree he should be involved because he’s our best right side player. Which is it? 

[Turkish]

4 minutes ago, gio1saints said:

No

No offence  @Midfield_General but you previously thought my suggestion to play him was not the way to go. Now you agree he should be involved because he’s our best right side player. Which is it? 

we're you the one in the Reindeer bandana at the fans forum?

[gio1saints]

2001 Saints fans travelling on Sunday. If you did a straw poll and asked them if they’d rather he played ( and risked breaking his leg/scoring a Worldie) or if he should not because he only had a few flashes of brilliance last year so is largely overrated and we don’t want  anyone to know - what do you think k travelling support is going to say? Nobody travels or renews a ST to peruse the accounts. 

[gio1saints]

4 minutes ago, Turkish said:

we're you the one in the Reindeer bandana at the fans forum?

Yeah.

[Lighthouse]

There's clearly absolutely no sense in playing Dibling until the transfer issue is resolved. Not only do we not want him injured, he really wont want to get injured. He wont be busting a gut risking muscle injuries and forget 50:50s, he wont be going in for any 90:10 challenges. If he's still here when the window closes it's a different matter but he wont be playing against Ipswich or Stoke.

[saintant]

2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

There's clearly absolutely no sense in playing Dibling until the transfer issue is resolved. Not only do we not want him injured, he really wont want to get injured. He wont be busting a gut risking muscle injuries and forget 50:50s, he wont be going in for any 90:10 challenges. If he's still here when the window closes it's a different matter but he wont be playing against Ipswich or Stoke.

This is how I see it.

[S-Clarke]

2 minutes ago, Lighthouse said:

There's clearly absolutely no sense in playing Dibling until the transfer issue is resolved. Not only do we not want him injured, he really wont want to get injured. He wont be busting a gut risking muscle injuries and forget 50:50s, he wont be going in for any 90:10 challenges. If he's still here when the window closes it's a different matter but he wont be playing against Ipswich or Stoke.

Yep, that's true. What I can see in the differences between Matty and Dibling, is that Dibling has clearly told the club he wants out and he wants to leave. Matty is more than happy to stay and isn't busting a gut to leave, thus he's still involved in the team and training.

Obviously Dibling is entitled to his own needs and wants, but as a club we also have to protect ourselves and that means pulling him and avoiding him getting any injuries. I don't think he's 'out of it' because he's causing a fuss, it's more down to the fact that he is a mega-million pound asset who wants to leave, so we've got to protect him and ensure we maximise what we get for him.

He will be sold, and we'll replace him - probably with Rudoni and someone like Tom Fellows.

[Chez]

32 minutes ago, Midfield_General said:

Not necessarily. When’s the last time he had a consistent run of games when he actually looked a £45m player? Two managers ago? The outrageous price we’re demanding is largely based on some good games he had before Christmas and then loads of hype from people within the club saying how much potential he’s got, and us pumping up his perceived value by bandying about figures like £100m in the hope that it makes people think an offer of £50m actually represents value. If we play him he might show a flash of genius that gets everyone scrabbling for him, but based on his form over the second half of the season he might also have people asking what all the fuss is about. 

Personally I think our summer transfer strategy was predisposed on him being the one we sold, and we can’t really move forward with the other signings we need until we sell him. We got a bit greedy, overplayed our hand, and now we’re stuck having to go back and look a bit sheepish as they’ve called our bluff. As they seem to be the only real option and time’s running out, a power move from Everton would be to lower the bid slightly and see what we do then, because if the counter offer is true we’re making it pretty obvious that our bluff’s been called and we need to sell him. I still think he’ll go there, probably for a deal worth about £40m and 10-15% sell-on, but it will be right at the end of the window and will put us under pressure. Our position was based on their being others who also wanted him and were prepared to join the bidding, but now with apparently no other interest, Everton hold the cards now really so they can make us sweat. 

fair enough, but the alternative view is that we possibly have a superstar at the club, who showed exactly that in the first half of the season and you don't sell them for buttons, even if they didn't show it the entire season, and even if the lad won't commit to a new contract at this point in time. 

As for the negotiations, who knows if it is true that we have gone back to Everton. Might be total bullshit. For all we know Everton have come back with several new bids this week. When a big move is in the offing, so much bollocks is written. Think back to the Lavia move and there were journalists suggesting deals had been agreed at various points at all kinds of prices.