the boy from saints Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Him and Mara were the first down the tunnel after the lap yesterday - both appeared to be totally uninterested and on their phones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 35 minutes ago, the boy from saints said: Him and Mara were the first down the tunnel after the lap yesterday - both appeared to be totally uninterested and on their phones. …to their agents? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 6 hours ago, ErwinK1961 said: Bazunu, Lyanco, Hoedt, Vestergaard, Perraud, Diallo, Lemina, Moi, Sulemana, Carillo, Onuachu. Gunn, Caleta-Car, Bella-Kotchap, Salisu, Charles, Boufal, Mara, Djenepo, Stewart We’ll never know exact figures, but by my reckoning that’s c. £270m spent… with next to nothing in return. Shockingly bad. And you can add that lunatic Dani "Headbutt" Osvaldo to that sorry list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolm waldron Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 11 hours ago, ErwinK1961 said: Bazunu, Lyanco, Hoedt, Vestergaard, Perraud, Diallo, Lemina, Moi, Sulemana, Carillo, Onuachu. Gunn, Caleta-Car, Bella-Kotchap, Salisu, Charles, Boufal, Mara, Djenepo, Stewart We’ll never know exact figures, but by my reckoning that’s c. £270m spent… with next to nothing in return. Can I add Edozie and Larios on the bench please. And maybe Orsic too..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 34 minutes ago, malcolm waldron said: Can I add Edozie and Larios on the bench please. And maybe Orsic too..... Fucking hell, I forgot about him 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 As much as Sulemana has been a bit (bit being an understatement) of a let down, I think he's been criminally under used this season. A player like him, a bit off the cuff - limited techinical ability, but quick and direct, simply doesn't suit a Russell Martin team. He's a luxury player, but one who could have made the difference this season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 2 minutes ago, Dman said: As much as Sulemana has been a bit (bit being an understatement) of a let down, I think he's been criminally under used this season. A player like him, a bit off the cuff - limited techinical ability, but quick and direct, simply doesn't suit a Russell Martin team. He's a luxury player, but one who could have made the difference this season. But he has no end product - no final pass or shot. He's got pace and some tricky feet - but no awareness or game intelligence -and his positioning is terrible. And I get the impression he doesn't really want to learn those things - or out the work in to get better. He seems to think he is the best there is already. How we managed to pay the best part of £25M for a player who only played 34 games and scored 5 goals across 2 season with Stade Rennais in the French Ligue 1 is beyond me. They are terrible stats. We paid more than double what he was worth. For potential I guess - but based on what!? 42 games and 2 goals - and maybe one or two assists - for Saints. I just hope we can get more than £10M back for him when we sell him in the summer - whether we go up or stay in the Championship we need better players than Sulemana. Even if we paid £5M for him it would still have been a waste of money. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disconnect Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 23 minutes ago, Dman said: As much as Sulemana has been a bit (bit being an understatement) of a let down, I think he's been criminally under used this season. A player like him, a bit off the cuff - limited techinical ability, but quick and direct, simply doesn't suit a Russell Martin team. He's a luxury player, but one who could have made the difference this season. He'd do well for Leeds, who break at pace and try to score goals. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dman Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 11 minutes ago, Rebel said: But he has no end product - no final pass or shot. He's got pace and some tricky feet - but no awareness or game intelligence -and his positioning is terrible. And I get the impression he doesn't really want to learn those things - or out the work in to get better. He seems to think he is the best there is already. How we managed to pay the best part of £25M for a player who only played 34 games and scored 5 goals across 2 season with Stade Rennais in the French Ligue 1 is beyond me. They are terrible stats. We paid more than double what he was worth. For potential I guess - but based on what!? 42 games and 2 goals - and maybe one or two assists - for Saints. I just hope we can get more than £10M back for him when we sell him in the summer - whether we go up or stay in the Championship we need better players than Sulemana. Even if we paid £5M for him it would still have been a waste of money. Pretty similar to all of our other wingers then - especially Edozie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 (edited) 22 hours ago, ErwinK1961 said: Bazunu, Lyanco, Hoedt, Vestergaard, Perraud, Diallo, Lemina, Moi, Sulemana, Carillo, Onuachu. Gunn, Caleta-Car, Bella-Kotchap, Salisu, Charles, Boufal, Mara, Djenepo, Stewart We’ll never know exact figures, but by my reckoning that’s c. £270m spent… with next to nothing in return. Clubs will always sign dudds, it's impossible to get it right with every signing - But we've got it back to front since 2017 with more dudds than success. If we go back to the Koeman days - Long, VVD, Mane, Pelle, Tadic, Toby, Bertrand - decent output from all of those. But we also signed some dudds like Juanmi, Cedric, Gardos etc. Even back to our Championship/L1 days - Puncheon, Fonte, Hammond, Cork, Lambo, Jaidi, Chappers - huge players for us. But we also signed Ryan Dickson, Danny Seaborne, De Ridder etc. I'm still nervous about our scouting as we still threw £20m down the pan in the summer really, we should have had much better return for our investment - but once again we cocked up the big signings. Edited April 29 by S-Clarke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenilworthy Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 11 hours ago, S-Clarke said: Clubs will always sign dudds, it's impossible to get it right with every signing - But we've got it back to front since 2017 with more dudds than success. If we go back to the Koeman days - Long, VVD, Mane, Pelle, Tadic, Toby, Bertrand - decent output from all of those. But we also signed some dudds like Juanmi, Cedric, Gardos etc. Even back to our Championship/L1 days - Puncheon, Fonte, Hammond, Cork, Lambo, Jaidi, Chappers - huge players for us. But we also signed Ryan Dickson, Danny Seaborne, De Ridder etc. I'm still nervous about our scouting as we still threw £20m down the pan in the summer really, we should have had much better return for our investment - but once again we cocked up the big signings. Its a bit harsh to describe Cedric as a dud. While he wasn't at the same level as Clyne he was an important player in 2015/16, a season we are unlikely to see us match any time soon and won the Euros. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRM Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 14 minutes ago, Kenilworthy said: Its a bit harsh to describe Cedric as a dud. While he wasn't at the same level as Clyne he was an important player in 2015/16, a season we are unlikely to see us match any time soon and won the Euros. And was then signed by Arsenal , ridiculous to call Cedric a dud. The Euros were won by a team that had half Saints back 4, incredible really 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimpin4rizeal Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Wow he’s taking some flak in here .. I’d still like to give him more of a chance .. sure his end product had been poor but his appearances have mainly been off the bench since injury ... a player that can beat their man as easily as he can could certainly turn this round and become a weapon the 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 10 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said: Wow he’s taking some flak in here .. I’d still like to give him more of a chance .. sure his end product had been poor but his appearances have mainly been off the bench since injury ... a player that can beat their man as easily as he can could certainly turn this round and become a weapon the This is no time to be playing any passengers. He’s had plenty of chances to show what he can do when there was no pressure. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 16 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said: Wow he’s taking some flak in here .. I’d still like to give him more of a chance .. sure his end product had been poor but his appearances have mainly been off the bench since injury ... a player that can beat their man as easily as he can could certainly turn this round and become a weapon the Of course he’s taking some flak, he’s our record signing and he’s sh*te in the Championship. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 28 minutes ago, pimpin4rizeal said: Wow he’s taking some flak in here .. I’d still like to give him more of a chance .. sure his end product had been poor but his appearances have mainly been off the bench since injury ... a player that can beat their man as easily as he can could certainly turn this round and become a weapon the What do you expect he’s been shite and then posts some bollocks about being able to unpick picks 100 times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintNewForest Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 1 hour ago, pimpin4rizeal said: Wow he’s taking some flak in here .. I’d still like to give him more of a chance .. sure his end product had been poor but his appearances have mainly been off the bench since injury ... a player that can beat their man as easily as he can could certainly turn this round and become a weapon the Hi Kamaldeen; how's Leeds on a Friday evening? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErwinK1961 Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Last game of the season, in a meaningless match - expecting a brace from him tomorrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmes_and_Watson Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 He missed a good chance (getting into a good position for it), wasn't as smart or physical as Adams. But, made some decent runs, we looked to pick him out, playing more central relies less on him taking on players and delivery than in pace and attack. Something to work on, and makes us more versatile. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gammon cheeks Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 Thought he looked ok to be honest ...missed a good header but would prefer him Mara . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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