stevy777_x Posted 21 March, 2023 Share Posted 21 March, 2023 Was wondering about the impact of Ramadan on our Muslim players. Do we know how many in the squad do it? Do you think this will have an impact on our performances over the next month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spark Posted 22 March, 2023 Share Posted 22 March, 2023 (edited) Mohamed Elyounoussi ''There was even a pizza named after Elyounoussi on the menu, although his Muslim faith means he has never tasted the Moi Special''https://www.southamptonfc.com/news/2022-04-28/southampton-fc-mohamed-elyounoussi-on-ramadanWatch as Southampton forward Mohamed Elyounoussi discusses his Muslim faith and how he experiences the month of Ramadan as a professional footballer.Ibrahima Diallo ''talks basketball, his Muslim faith and his first year in England'' Kamaldeen Sulemana ''There are many Muslims like me, who left their origins to come to Techiman''Mohammed Salisu ''Attributes Recent Slump in Form to Ramadan 'https://sportsbrief.com/football/southampton/16122-mohammed-salisu-says-ramadan-has-affected-his-form-at-southampton/ Southampton stars Salisu, Djenepo and Diallo struggled during Ramadan – Hasenhuttl https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/southampton-salisu-djenepo-diallo-struggled-ramadan-hasenhuttl/1hp1xkybbhqiz1nn2b6uat1jco So 5 players will be on ramadan, 3 of which have used it to explain slumps in form before. I know quite a few muslims irl and they struggle to do anything during the day duing ramadan, let alone be pushing their bodies. Usually theyre (understandably imho) in a generally bad mood too. Some cope better than others though. Dont want to sound harsh but if we had a whole team suffering like that it would be nightmare, 5 is already a lot. Also, to explain it further for people. They have to fast during daylight hours. That means no food OR drink. In Northern Europe that means they have to fast longer if its getting dark later. Although it seems to be starting slightly earlier this year by a week or so. EDIT: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12839201/ramadan-match-officials-asked-to-provide-opportunity-for-muslim-players-across-premier-league-and-efl-to-break-fast Just seen this during my searches Edited 22 March, 2023 by Spark better wording 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 22 March, 2023 Share Posted 22 March, 2023 Would it be considered discrimination if a team was less likely to sign a player who celebrated Ramadan, knowing full well that it would negatively impact their performance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisPY Posted 22 March, 2023 Share Posted 22 March, 2023 20 minutes ago, Saint_clark said: Would it be considered discrimination if a team was less likely to sign a player who celebrated Ramadan, knowing full well that it would negatively impact their performance? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Kent Saint Posted 22 March, 2023 Share Posted 22 March, 2023 You can just not sign players , no problem unless someone notices ! Then you might have to come out with a reason . Obviously it’s not a problem for top 4 with massive squads of top players that can rotate them in ramadan but little ole clubs like Saints can’t do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 22 March, 2023 Share Posted 22 March, 2023 Looks like it will affect 4 of our games. Only Sulemana is a starter at the moment and possibly Salisu if Bella Kotchap is injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectisSaint Posted 22 March, 2023 Share Posted 22 March, 2023 8 hours ago, Spark said: Also, to explain it further for people. They have to fast during daylight hours. That means no food OR drink. In Northern Europe that means they have to fast longer if its getting dark later. Although it seems to be starting slightly earlier this year by a week or so. The start of Ramadan is earlier every year, by 11 days. This is because it is based on the Islam Calendar (which is lunar based, 354 days) rather than the Gregorian Calendar (365 days). At least this year we have an international break at the start so limited impact on club games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lighthouse Posted 22 March, 2023 Share Posted 22 March, 2023 1 hour ago, Saint_clark said: Would it be considered discrimination if a team was less likely to sign a player who celebrated Ramadan, knowing full well that it would negatively impact their performance? It raises an interesting question on to what extent it's acceptable to practice your beliefs, if it's to the detriment of your employer. Supposing you follow religion X and you spend a month drinking wine until 2am every night to celebrate the life of your prophet; should your boss simply accept you coming to work hungover every morning as exercising your beliefs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 22 March, 2023 Share Posted 22 March, 2023 Well two of them are shit anyway, one never plays and the other two are inconsistent so I don’t think it’ll make a huge amount of difference 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelk Posted 22 March, 2023 Share Posted 22 March, 2023 There should be an amnesty for all Muslims over Ramadan whereby they can take whatever drug stimulants they want to compensate for having to miss pre-match chicken and beans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 22 March, 2023 Share Posted 22 March, 2023 1 hour ago, ChrisPY said: Yes. Would it? If it's genuinely having a negative effect on someone's work performance I thought it didn't count as discrimination. It's not like any allowances can be made to account for it. 4 minutes ago, Lighthouse said: It raises an interesting question on to what extent it's acceptable to practice your beliefs, if it's to the detriment of your employer. Supposing you follow religion X and you spend a month drinking wine until 2am every night to celebrate the life of your prophet; should your boss simply accept you coming to work hungover every morning as exercising your beliefs. Exactly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spark Posted 22 March, 2023 Share Posted 22 March, 2023 5 hours ago, VectisSaint said: The start of Ramadan is earlier every year, by 11 days. This is because it is based on the Islam Calendar (which is lunar based, 354 days) rather than the Gregorian Calendar (365 days). At least this year we have an international break at the start so limited impact on club games. Oh yeah thats right, i'd completely forgotten about that even though they explained it to me before, I only remembered they have to wait to find out when it was or something , something to do with spotting the moon? I cant remember the details. Theyd always let me knw when it was starting so i'd understand when im around them lol Also worth pointing out some of them didnt observe ramadan, so even though i got details of the players that are muslim, some may be more casual about it and not do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 22 March, 2023 Share Posted 22 March, 2023 Grand Mufti's are allowed to issue fatwas to exempt sportspeople from having to fast - there is precedent from the 2012 Olympics. No reason why Southampton's Grand Mufti can't do so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spark Posted 24 March, 2023 Share Posted 24 March, 2023 On 22/03/2023 at 19:22, Weston Super Saint said: Grand Mufti's are allowed to issue fatwas to exempt sportspeople from having to fast - there is precedent from the 2012 Olympics. No reason why Southampton's Grand Mufti can't do so.... is it common though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 24 March, 2023 Share Posted 24 March, 2023 I used to know a girl with a grand mufti. 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 24 March, 2023 Share Posted 24 March, 2023 8 minutes ago, once_bitterne said: I used to know a girl with a grand mufti. include it in the TUI 5 things you noticed summary on monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamesaint Posted 24 March, 2023 Share Posted 24 March, 2023 A Muslim I worked with followed Ramadan. He was granted exemptions from the fasting regime whenever a group of us went away on business. He had to make up for the days that he missed by fasting at other times during the year. It suited him well. Ramadan that year was in June and he made up for his exempt days in December!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 24 March, 2023 Share Posted 24 March, 2023 5 hours ago, once_bitterne said: I used to know a girl with a grand mufti. didn't we all mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltonaggro Posted 24 March, 2023 Share Posted 24 March, 2023 On 22/03/2023 at 19:22, Weston Super Saint said: Grand Mufti's are allowed to issue fatwas to exempt sportspeople from having to fast - there is precedent from the 2012 Olympics. No reason why Southampton's Grand Mufti can't do so.... Bloody progressive fairweather Muftis - go woke go broke! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorba Posted 24 March, 2023 Share Posted 24 March, 2023 8 hours ago, once_bitterne said: I used to know a girl with a grand mufti. Me too but her fatwas a bit of an issue. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 25 March, 2023 Share Posted 25 March, 2023 An hour and a half,s work on an empty stomach,worse things happen at sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisonlyonemickychannon Posted 25 March, 2023 Share Posted 25 March, 2023 On 22/03/2023 at 09:35, Saint_clark said: Would it be considered discrimination if a team was less likely to sign a player who celebrated Ramadan, knowing full well that it would negatively impact their performance? Everything is discriminatory these bloody days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 25 March, 2023 Share Posted 25 March, 2023 8 hours ago, hackedoff said: An hour and a half,s work on an empty stomach,worse things happen at sea. But it’s not the same for everybody on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 26 March, 2023 Share Posted 26 March, 2023 My dealer wont do drops until after Iftar, isnt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamplemousse Posted 26 March, 2023 Share Posted 26 March, 2023 At least the West Ham game is earlier in the day. If they eat their last meal before sunrise then hopefully they'll be OK during the game. Man City game the following week will be trickier as that's in the evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 26 March, 2023 Share Posted 26 March, 2023 11 hours ago, Whitey Grandad said: But it’s not the same for everybody on the pitch. Indeed,however life is a plethora of options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 26 March, 2023 Share Posted 26 March, 2023 15 minutes ago, hackedoff said: Indeed,however life is a plethora of options. You can have too many plethoras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 28 March, 2023 Share Posted 28 March, 2023 On 26/03/2023 at 12:34, Whitey Grandad said: You can have too many plethoras. and they are so expensive in these bad economic times..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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