Russell Martin

[Dark Munster]

6 hours ago, trousers said:

"I'm disappointed with the goals we conceded. We won't concede goals like that again..."

😂

 

 

No one does groundhog day better than @trousers

[James]

Perfect summary of Martin ball by the BBC although “throwing caution to the wind” is generous in an attacking sense as the build up is usually walking pace. 

[Sheaf Saint]

1 hour ago, Dark Munster said:

No one does groundhog day better than @trousers

 

1 hour ago, Dark Munster said:

No one does groundhog day better than @trousers

Not gonna stop you from trying though eh?

[Turkish]

7 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

It feels like that ‘incredible run’ you mentioned would be considered real consistency but I suppose it’s subjective. And yes, there were plenty of people who decided they didn’t enjoy it or it wasn’t going well etc but the facts we scored a hell of a lot of goals, won quite a lot of games and ultimately had a successful season that year. If you can’t enjoy a season like that then I feel sorry for you because taking a season like that for granted shouldn’t be done. We finished behind the 2 teams we’d finished behind the season prior and beat one of them in the most important game of the season and also of course behind Ipswich. We didn’t fall over the line, we finished fourth and stepped up in the pressure moment.

Last season was obviously a shit show. I’m not convinced he’s the main reason for that personally but it’s subjective and if people want to call him a vegan cunt for that because they think it’s funny then good for them. I think obsessively watching his teams in the hope they lose and you can quickly fire a minute by minute report of it on a messageboard is a bit strange. Especially when you consider our new managers thread took a month or so to go through the amount of pages this has tonight. 

But the idea that the Championship is just a foregone conclusion and Martin nearly fucked it up is wrong. Fingers crossed this season goes smoothly and allows people to continue that narrative obviously but I’ll be as equally as impressed by Still if he gets us up with the ease everyone expected Martin to do and makes it even more exciting with all the goals we’ll no doubt score. 

Do you cry yourself to sleep every night with Russell’s picture under your pillow?

[Fabrice29]

7 hours ago, Mboto Gorge said:

Ok fair enough. We all have our different opinions. Maybe you can try to talk some sense into some 40,000 Rangers fans who are convinced he’s terrible then. You can list his plus points to put them at ease and talk about the good job he did in our championship season. Should pacify them for a bit. 

I couldn’t give one toss about the job he’s doing there. 

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, Fabrice29 said:

I couldn’t give one toss about the job he’s doing there. 

And the way you've refrained from posting on this thread has clearly indicated that to everyone.

Not one toss given.

[Fabrice29]

Just now, Weston Super Saint said:

And the way you've refrained from posting on this thread has clearly indicated that to everyone.

Not one toss given.

I’ve defended his work at Saints because I was tagged into the thread during what seemed to be a 3 page minute by minute report on a Rangers game. Haven’t commented on any of his games over the past weeks. 

[Mboto Gorge]

2 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I’ve defended his work at Saints because I was tagged into the thread during what seemed to be a 3 page minute by minute report on a Rangers game. Haven’t commented on any of his games over the past weeks. 

Of course you haven’t, because the performances have been atrocious and highlighted all of his flaws as a manager. Convenient you’ve had nothing to say about that, and making out you don’t care. Had they blitzed every game however, you’d have been all over it, mocking those who wanted him gone and pointing to how the grass isn’t always greener or some other smug nonsense. Textbook stuff fella

[Fabrice29]

11 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said:

Of course you haven’t, because the performances have been atrocious and highlighted all of his flaws as a manager. Convenient you’ve had nothing to say about that, and making out you don’t care. Had they blitzed every game however, you’d have been all over it, mocking those who wanted him gone and pointing to how the grass isn’t always greener or some other smug nonsense. Textbook stuff fella

On the basis that about 3 posts ago you were convinced I had some deep connection with the guy and that was wrong I’m going to just patronise you again on this one if that’s alright? Fella. 

[CB Fry]

34 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I couldn’t give one toss about the job he’s doing there*. 

*because they're not doing very well so my opportunity to be smug as fuck has not materialised.

We all know you're just desperate for some four nil win against St Mirren to give it the I told you so treatment.

You were on this thread within 2 minutes of Rangers scoring their first league goal FFS 😂

[badgerx16]

"Forty minutes into Rangers' mortifying night at Ibrox, Djeidi Gassama won a corner at the Broomloan Stand end and his manager, Russell Martin, applauded on the sideline. The sound of one man clapping was deafening.

Rangers trailed 3-0 at the time, there had been multiple outbreaks of booing and scores of people had already headed home.

When Ibrox turns on its own like this, there's a temptation to put in the earplugs and don the crash helmet. It ain't pretty.

It's as visceral as it gets; loud and vicious, words coming like blades, capable of cutting their target in half. A corner might have done it for the manager, but it wasn't doing it for the masses.".….….....

"Could Rangers afford to give up so many chances to Brugge, a club that has sold around £70m worth of talent this summer but an outfit that retains enough slick operators to punish slapstick defending?

No, came the answer after three minutes when Nasser Djiga - back to life after playing dead in the build-up to Alloa's first goal in the League Cup last weekend - downed tools and let Romeo Vermant away from him to brilliantly lob Jack Butland.".......

"No, came the answer again after seven minutes when Jorne Spileers, untroubled by a blue jersey in his midst, side-footed home from a corner. These were the kinds of moments that Rangers survived in previous games. Not now."

"And no came the answer again after 20 minutes when Rangers failed with two attempts to clear their box, a hesitancy and incompetence that saw Brandon Michele rifle a third past Butland.

At that point, the only prayers that could have been offered up on Rangers' behalf would have given thanks to the man above that this team was not going any further in this Champions League. "

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cwyekw4x1gno

 

[Fabrice29]

7 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

*because they're not doing very well so my opportunity to be smug as fuck has not materialised.

We all know you're just desperate for some four nil win against St Mirren to give it the I told you so treatment.

You were on this thread within 2 minutes of Rangers scoring their first league goal FFS 😂

Their first league goal was against Dundee on the 9th apparently and I made 1 post that day in the Wrexham thread, so, that’s not true.

And the only posts I’ve made in here about RM and Saints. But anyway, now we’re into the realms of assuming I’m Lucy Pinder/Another family member and/or just making up stuff about when and what I’m posting I think I’ll let the people who are doing minute by minute reports on Rangers matches because they are losing judging someone for posting when they scored a goal, that didn’t happen. 

[CB Fry]

2 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Their first league goal was against Dundee on the 9th apparently and I made 1 post that day in the Wrexham thread, so, that’s not true.

You know what goal it was because I commented about it at the time. League goal cup goal whatever it was you were on it.

[Fabrice29]

3 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

You know what goal it was because I commented about it at the time. League goal cup goal whatever it was you were on it.

I don’t remember your comment but you keep changing it until you find it then let me know 👍

[Turkish]

On 22/07/2025 at 20:55, Fabrice29 said:

I see all the people who insist they don't like Martin or his football are checking in on how he's doing   Perfectly normal behaviour.

Not the only ex Saint out there though so maybe they are all checking in on the Panathinaikos lad.

 

On 22/07/2025 at 20:57, CB Fry said:

Waits until Wussell's team scores and here he is.

 

27 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I don’t remember your comment but you keep changing it until you find it then let me know 👍

Their first goal of the season was against Panthanikos after 52 minutes, goal scored around 8.54pm. You posted at 8.55pm, as Fry says, within 2 mins of them scoring their first goal. Perfectly normal behaviour. 😂

[skintsaint]

https://www.facebook.com/reel/756306420485028/

[Fabrice29]

25 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

 

Their first goal of the season was against Panthanikos after 52 minutes, goal scored around 8.54pm. You posted at 8.55pm, as Fry says, within 2 mins of them scoring their first goal. Perfectly normal behaviour. 😂

Fair play for doing the work so he didn’t have to. I feel like if I was being smug and smary about RM and was waiting for the exact minute they’d scored I’d might have mentioned it to be fair but I am quite humble so maybe not. 

[Mboto Gorge]

1 hour ago, Fabrice29 said:

On the basis that about 3 posts ago you were convinced I had some deep connection with the guy and that was wrong I’m going to just patronise you again on this one if that’s alright? Fella. 

No pal, I said the levels that you defend him to are so bizarre that it’s as if you have a personal connection to the guy. Hard to fathom why you’d love him so much, Otherwise. If not then it’s just a fan boy style infatuation then. Thanks for confirming, fella.

[Dman]

Rangers have conceeded 10 goals in 8 games so far, the race for +60 goals against is on... Again. Like night follows day, incredibly poor defensive records just follow Mr Martin. 

I'm sure its just down to lack of bravery, not following the system and scar tissue though. 

[saintant]

9 hours ago, HKsaint said:

I think we will get a premier league job soon.

The number of customers for his snake oil is dwindling rapidly. It's not like the wild west where you could just move from town to town. Russboy is in the full glare of the www and he can't run and he can't hide for very much longer. Rangers could be his last payday but what a run he's been on for someone with very little coaching talent but the ability to bullshit with the best of them.

[S-Clarke]

1 minute ago, Dman said:

Rangers have conceeded 10 goals in 8 games so far, the race for +60 goals against is on... Again. Like night follows day, incredibly poor defensive records just follow Mr Martin. 

I'm sure its just down to lack of bravery, not following the system and scar tissue though. 

The evidence is pretty much stacked up.

MK Dons

Swansea

Ourselves

Rangers.

All conceding in excess of 60 goals - with Rangers on route to do the same, in a pub league. That's not down to luck or players making silly decisions, it's due to the entire structure he implements. It's flawed, whatever Fabrice says.

I will never be able to have any good thoughts towards someone who laid the foundations for our worst ever PL season. 

[OldNick]

10 hours ago, Fabrice29 said:

It feels like that ‘incredible run’ you mentioned would be considered real consistency but I suppose it’s subjective. And yes, there were plenty of people who decided they didn’t enjoy it or it wasn’t going well etc but the facts we scored a hell of a lot of goals, won quite a lot of games and ultimately had a successful season that year. If you can’t enjoy a season like that then I feel sorry for you because taking a season like that for granted shouldn’t be done. We finished behind the 2 teams we’d finished behind the season prior and beat one of them in the most important game of the season and also of course behind Ipswich. We didn’t fall over the line, we finished fourth and stepped up in the pressure moment.

Last season was obviously a shit show. I’m not convinced he’s the main reason for that personally but it’s subjective and if people want to call him a vegan cunt for that because they think it’s funny then good for them. I think obsessively watching his teams in the hope they lose and you can quickly fire a minute by minute report of it on a messageboard is a bit strange. Especially when you consider our new managers thread took a month or so to go through the amount of pages this has tonight. 

But the idea that the Championship is just a foregone conclusion and Martin nearly fucked it up is wrong. Fingers crossed this season goes smoothly and allows people to continue that narrative obviously but I’ll be as equally as impressed by Still if he gets us up with the ease everyone expected Martin to do and makes it even more exciting with all the goals we’ll no doubt score. 

I wasnt able to go that season and so wasnt actually at the games and so my viewpoint is somewhat skewed. What I did get from the games I could see on the TV, was that it was tedious football, I called it kalidiescope(speling lol )football, lots of very pretty patterns but went nowhere. We did fall over the line after some ridiculous bad performances and other lucky reults. Ok we did get some great wins, the fightback from 2 down to the relegated Huddersfield of that season, a draw against Rotherham but other enjoyable last minute wins at Millwall etc. I do feel that he got lucky as Bazunu got injured and Mcarthy came in and helped solidify our defence.

To be fair after the abysmal defeat at home to Stoke, he did pull the rabbit out of the hat by changing the way we played by beating Leeds twice and WBA, it all ended on that wonderful Wembley day. After that game I spoke to Leeds fans and said at least they would have a fun season the followig year whilst we would be suffering. They thought we'd do ok, but sadly we know what happened.

I was never convinced by him but as with most maangers I tried to support him as I had hoped he would be pragmatic, sadly his vanity project failed and he slinked down the tunnel at SMS before halftime at 4-0 down, missing the fifth goal. 

I will always appreciate those 2 games WBA at SMS and Wembley, memories that live forever, funnily enough it wasnt the football it was the fans that gave me that feeling and joy. The joy of celebrating with fellow Saints and the atmposphere they brought was more that AA's goal

 

[Fabrice29]

16 minutes ago, OldNick said:

I wasnt able to go that season and so wasnt actually at the games and so my viewpoint is somewhat skewed. What I did get from the games I could see on the TV, was that it was tedious football, I called it kalidiescope(speling lol )football, lots of very pretty patterns but went nowhere. We did fall over the line after some ridiculous bad performances and other lucky reults. Ok we did get some great wins, the fightback from 2 down to the relegated Huddersfield of that season, a draw against Rotherham but other enjoyable last minute wins at Millwall etc. I do feel that he got lucky as Bazunu got injured and Mcarthy came in and helped solidify our defence.

To be fair after the abysmal defeat at home to Stoke, he did pull the rabbit out of the hat by changing the way we played by beating Leeds twice and WBA, it all ended on that wonderful Wembley day. After that game I spoke to Leeds fans and said at least they would have a fun season the followig year whilst we would be suffering. They thought we'd do ok, but sadly we know what happened.

I was never convinced by him but as with most maangers I tried to support him as I had hoped he would be pragmatic, sadly his vanity project failed and he slinked down the tunnel at SMS before halftime at 4-0 down, missing the fifth goal. 

I will always appreciate those 2 games WBA at SMS and Wembley, memories that live forever, funnily enough it wasnt the football it was the fans that gave me that feeling and joy. The joy of celebrating with fellow Saints and the atmposphere they brought was more that AA's goal

 

I'm going to say this again and it'll be my final words, if you think scoring 87 goals in this league is tedious football and "pretty patterns going nowhere" then that's fine but this season could potentially really piss you off. Only Leeds got more than that last season. The 2nd top scorers last year scored 71. Only Burnley scored 87 the season prior. People can not rate RM but once again, if you're convincing yourself our last season in this league was tedious then you're just rewriting history. Fingers crossed we piss all over everything that team did this season though.

Edited Wednesday at 09:34 by Fabrice29

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I'm going to say this again and it'll be my final words, if you think scoring 87 goals in this league is tedious football and "pretty patterns going nowhere" then that's fine but this season could potentially really piss you off. Only Leeds got more than that last season. The 2nd top scorers last year scored 71. Only Burnley scored 87 the season prior. People can not rate RM but once again, if you're convincing yourself our last season in this league was tedious then you're just rewriting history. Fingers crossed we piss all over everything that team did this season though.

You suggest getting 87 points with full parachute payments of massive achievement. 
 

it was good, but bit spectacular in the slightest. 
 

The great Chris wilder achieved more either side of that season 

[S-Clarke]

2 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I'm going to say this again and it'll be my final words, if you think scoring 87 goals in this league is tedious football and "pretty patterns going nowhere" then that's fine but this season could potentially really piss you off. Only Leeds got more than that last season. The 2nd top scorers last year scored 71. Only Burnley scored 87 the season prior. People can not rate RM but once again, if you're convincing yourself our last season in this league was tedious then you're just rewriting history. Fingers crossed we piss all over everything that team did this season though.

I don't think it's the goals scored which skew peoples thoughts, it's how many we let in. That meant that all those goals just got us over the line in games we gave away goals, rather than us going away and dominating sides 5-0 or 6-0 like a Leeds and Leicester were doing.

Yes, we scored goals, but the way he enabled us to score goals created an incredible fragility at the other end. We scored 87 goals, but ended up with a GD in the +20's, that probably tells you everything.

[Fabrice29]

7 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

You suggest getting 87 points with full parachute payments of massive achievement. 
 

it was good, but bit spectacular in the slightest. 
 

The great Chris wilder achieved more either side of that season 

Pretty sure I said 87 goals not points.

Edit: Also your point about Chris Wilder I'm pretty sure isn't true. He failed to get Sheffield United promoted last year so thats not achieving more and nor was in he charge of the Sheffield United side that got promoted before we did. Think he was struggling with Boro that year from memory.

6 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I don't think it's the goals scored which skew peoples thoughts, it's how many we let in. That meant that all those goals just got us over the line in games we gave away goals, rather than us going away and dominating sides 5-0 or 6-0 like a Leeds and Leicester were doing.

Yes, we scored goals, but the way he enabled us to score goals created an incredible fragility at the other end. We scored 87 goals, but ended up with a GD in the +20's, that probably tells you everything.

I'm disputing that our football was tedious and going nowhere. It wasn't. Yes, we conceded far too many but I quite enjoyed watching us attack and score goals and I think people are trying to convince themselves it was boring.

Edited Wednesday at 09:46 by Fabrice29

[OldNick]

10 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I'm going to say this again and it'll be my final words, if you think scoring 87 goals in this league is tedious football and "pretty patterns going nowhere" then that's fine but this season could potentially really piss you off. Only Leeds got more than that last season. The 2nd top scorers last year scored 71. Only Burnley scored 87 the season prior. People can not rate RM but once again, if you're convincing yourself our last season in this league was tedious then you're just rewriting history. Fingers crossed we piss all over everything that team did this season though.

87 goals was good I grant you but that works out less than 2 a game. Our superior squad should have scored more against those teams with little or no resources. We did go on a 25 unbeaten run that came crashing to an end losing at Bristol, a real clusterf''' that game where he made multiple changes to the side. Live on TV and we were useless.

In those 25 were some appalling games and we conceded late goals sharing points that had we been more frontfoot we would have won. Anyway Fabrice you have your standpoint and I respect that but Im fairly certain that RM's reputation is washing down the Clyde

[tdmickey3]

5 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

I'm going to say this again and it'll be my final words, if you think scoring 87 goals in this league is tedious football and "pretty patterns going nowhere" then that's fine but this season could potentially really piss you off. Only Leeds got more than that last season. The 2nd top scorers last year scored 71. Only Burnley scored 87 the season prior. People can not rate RM but once again, if you're convincing yourself our last season in this league was tedious then you're just rewriting history. Fingers crossed we piss all over everything that team did this season though.

I think you are just refusing to admit the obvious or just plain stupid.

Yes we scored 87 goals but conceded 63, appalling for a squad like ours, no matter how you dress it up...

His absolutely pig-headed, know all attitude while refusing to change once we were promoted shows him up for what he is, an arrogant narcissist and a very, very bang average coach.

He delivered an absolute joke of a season and that`s how he will be remembered, not for achieving the bare minimum he should have in the Championship with the players at his disposal.

He embarrassed all of the fans and the club and that will not be forgotten easily

Cry all you like but its true 

 

[tdmickey3]

13 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

You suggest getting 87 points with full parachute payments of massive achievement. 
 

it was good, but bit spectacular in the slightest. 
 

The great Chris wilder achieved more either side of that season 

 

9 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Pretty sure I said 87 goals not points.

Edit: Also your point about Chris Wilder I'm pretty sure isn't true. He failed to get Sheffield United promoted last year so thats not achieving more and nor was in he charge of the Sheffield United side that got promoted before we did. Think he was struggling with Boro that year from memory.

I'm disputing that our football was tedious and going nowhere. It wasn't. Yes, we conceded far too many but I quite enjoyed watching us attack and score goals and I think people are trying to convince themselves it was boring.

Is this your last, last word or is there some more drivel to come 

[AlexLaw76]

Chris wilder has a much much better championship record compared to Martin.

 

[Fabrice29]

6 minutes ago, OldNick said:

87 goals was good I grant you but that works out less than 2 a game. Our superior squad should have scored more against those teams with little or no resources. We did go on a 25 unbeaten run that came crashing to an end losing at Bristol, a real clusterf''' that game where he made multiple changes to the side. Live on TV and we were useless.

In those 25 were some appalling games and we conceded late goals sharing points that had we been more frontfoot we would have won. Anyway Fabrice you have your standpoint and I respect that but Im fairly certain that RM's reputation is washing down the Clyde

Our superior squad is again, rewriting history considering it's made up of a team that finished behind Leicester and Leeds the year before, RM's mates and a bunch of players that fans would like to see the back off this season in an ideal world.

3 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

 

Is this your last, last word or is there some more drivel to come 

Changed my mind. I really dont think you're the person on this forum to call out drivel btw  

1 minute ago, AlexLaw76 said:

Chris wilder has a much much better championship record compared to Martin.

 

"The great Chris wilder achieved more either side of that season"

[tdmickey3]

1 minute ago, Fabrice29 said:

Our superior squad is again, rewriting history considering it's made up of a team that finished behind Leicester and Leeds the year before, RM's mates and a bunch of players that fans would like to see the back off this season in an ideal world.

Changed my mind. I really dont think you're the person on this forum to call out drivel btw  

"The great Chris wilder achieved more either side of that season"

Does RM know you have a desperately sad crush on him ?

[AlexLaw76]

I’d go as far and say, Nathan Jones is more effective manager 

[Fabrice29]

4 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Does RM know you have a desperately sad crush on him ?

No idea. Just like I’ve no idea if he knows about the times you said we wouldn’t be promoted under him. Fingers crossed he doesn’t for both eh? 

[warsash saint]

F**k me this board is unhealthily obsessed!

[gio1saints]

13 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

 

Is this your last, last word or is there some more drivel to come 

Why this harassment? @Fabrice29got his opinion. You disagree but you make it personal. Why?

He posts reasoned stuff- not drivel. Agree or disagree but you acting as the forum enforcer acting tough trying ( but failing) to put him down only reflects on you and the person you are more than anything to do with the subject at hand or the poster. 

Plenty people have a POV on Saintsweb, guess what not everyone agrees with your version- but most are discouraged from saying anything by this kind of abusive baiting. Give it a rest or try play the ball not the man, if you can, eh? 

[Dman]

15 minutes ago, AlexLaw76 said:

I’d go as far and say, Nathan Jones is more effective manager 

I don't even think that is a controversial thing to say. Jones is a much better manager. Just much more unfashionable. 

It didn't work for us but there is no way Martin could do the things Jones does to smaller clubs with smaller budgets. 

[tdmickey3]

17 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

No idea. Just like I’ve no idea if he knows about the times you said we wouldn’t be promoted under him. Fingers crossed he doesn’t for both eh? 

Be sure to tell him when you send him your next fan mail letter

[OldNick]

26 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Our superior squad is again, rewriting history considering it's made up of a team that finished behind Leicester and Leeds the year before, RM's mates and a bunch of players that fans would like to see the back off this season in an ideal world.

 

Superior squad to all the others and we proved we were superior squadwise to Leeds as we beat them 3 times

[leeham_69]

Who is more divisive - Puel or Martin? I remember the Puel thread running for months and months after he got the sack, will rusty beat his record??

[Turkish]

1 hour ago, Fabrice29 said:

Fair play for doing the work so he didn’t have to. I feel like if I was being smug and smary about RM and was waiting for the exact minute they’d scored I’d might have mentioned it to be fair but I am quite humble so maybe not. 

You're welcome. When accusing others of weird behaviour it's sometimes helpful to look in the mirror. 

[Fabrice29]

3 minutes ago, Turkish said:

You're welcome. When accusing others of weird behaviour it's sometimes helpful to look in the mirror. 

Yeah man. On a completely separate note and totally not related to weird behaviour has anyone laughed at one of your ‘he’ll cook’ jokes yet? 😘

Edited Wednesday at 10:41 by Fabrice29

[Turkish]

1 minute ago, Fabrice29 said:

Yeah man. On a completely separate note and totally not related to weird behaviour has anyone laughed at one of your ‘he’ll cook’ jokes yet? 😘

im well on course for my par of 40 lols per week, thanks for contributing 25% of them 

[Matthew Le God]

Amazing lack of self awareness in that post I can only see because it was quoted above. Pot and kettle come to mind.

[Turkish]

11 minutes ago, leeham_69 said:

Who is more divisive - Puel or Martin? I remember the Puel thread running for months and months after he got the sack, will rusty beat his record??

Good question. Puel had a rough hand because he came in after a great spell and wasn't Poch or Koeman, fans were expecting a higher profile appointment and didn't take to him from the start, remember lots of comments about how boring he was. He also had our best attackers sold and was (unfairly IMO) blamed for us getting knocked out of Europe. But was ultimately relatively successful and came across as a decent guy doing his best. The issues were with Puel but he and his team were seen as boring and he got cut no slack due to the circumstances delt him.

Martin on the other hand came in after a shit show of a premier league season and was fairly popular early on IIRC. But the tide turned when it became pretty clear his style of play wasn't going to work in the premier leauge and his stubonness, smugness and arrogance turned most people against him. Martins unpopularity is self inflicted. 

I dont think i've seen fans take such glee in a manager underperforming elsewhere so i;m going to say Martin.

[Midfield_General]

14 minutes ago, Turkish said:

I dont think i've seen fans take such glee in a manager underperforming elsewhere so i;m going to say Martin.

I for one am stunned that football fans could possibly act in a way that is tribal and not entirely supportive and empathetic towards their fellow man. It's just such a new development. 

Stunned, I tell you. 

Edited Wednesday at 11:04 by Midfield_General

[Weston Super Saint]

1 hour ago, Fabrice29 said:

I'm going to say this again and it'll be my final words

Good job you're still not giving a toss, otherwise they may have been your last words, but because you don't give a toss you posted another four times!

1 hour ago, Fabrice29 said:

Pretty sure I said 87 goals not points.

Edit: Also your point about Chris Wilder I'm pretty sure isn't true. He failed to get Sheffield United promoted last year so thats not achieving more and nor was in he charge of the Sheffield United side that got promoted before we did. Think he was struggling with Boro that year from memory.

I'm disputing that our football was tedious and going nowhere. It wasn't. Yes, we conceded far too many but I quite enjoyed watching us attack and score goals and I think people are trying to convince themselves it was boring.

 

1 hour ago, Fabrice29 said:

Our superior squad is again, rewriting history considering it's made up of a team that finished behind Leicester and Leeds the year before, RM's mates and a bunch of players that fans would like to see the back off this season in an ideal world.

Changed my mind. I really dont think you're the person on this forum to call out drivel btw  

"The great Chris wilder achieved more either side of that season"

 

56 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

No idea. Just like I’ve no idea if he knows about the times you said we wouldn’t be promoted under him. Fingers crossed he doesn’t for both eh? 

 

20 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Yeah man. On a completely separate note and totally not related to weird behaviour has anyone laughed at one of your ‘he’ll cook’ jokes yet? 😘

 

[RedArmy]

I tell you what I normally do with threads on here that i “don’t give a toss” about the subject. 
 

Make sure I post on the thread just before I go to bed and then first thing in the morning too. 

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, tdmickey3 said:

.......

Yes we scored 87 goals but conceded 63, .......

 

M K Dons, Swansea, Southampton : there is a certain symmetry to the defensive records of RM teams.

[Forester]

1 hour ago, Turkish said:

Good question. Puel had a rough hand because he came in after a great spell and wasn't Poch or Koeman, fans were expecting a higher profile appointment and didn't take to him from the start, remember lots of comments about how boring he was. He also had our best attackers sold and was (unfairly IMO) blamed for us getting knocked out of Europe. But was ultimately relatively successful and came across as a decent guy doing his best. The issues were with Puel but he and his team were seen as boring and he got cut no slack due to the circumstances delt him.

Martin on the other hand came in after a shit show of a premier league season and was fairly popular early on IIRC. But the tide turned when it became pretty clear his style of play wasn't going to work in the premier leauge and his stubonness, smugness and arrogance turned most people against him. Martins unpopularity is self inflicted. 

I dont think i've seen fans take such glee in a manager underperforming elsewhere so i;m going to say Martin.

Good post.

It’s faintly ridiculous to have Martin (unless he goes on to have a much improved career) and Puel is the same sentence.  Briefly:

- Puel led Monaco to be French champions, and managed several other top flight European clubs

- Puel’s only season, having had Pelle, Mane and (for most of season) VVD all sold or unavailable was eighth

- Puel led us to cup final, including clean sheets in both legs against Liverpool and Arsenal away

Martin was sacked halfway through a Premier League season en route to us collecting 12 points, and finished fourth below Ipswich who were in League One the prior season.  He managed the play off mini season very well, to be provide balance.

Absolutely chalk and cheese careers so far

 

A bit of time helps people have some perspective