Russell Martin

[Colinjb]

1 minute ago, egg said:

To be fair, no manager can legislate for the crap defending for the first, or for nobody picking up the man for the second. That's on the players for me. 

Causation and Correlation are not the same thing.

But, come on...........

[Harry_SFC]

6 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

 

The bloke just consistently plays football on hard mode doesn’t he

Ah there's the good old Martin tactic of leaving an opposition player free on the edge of the box. Always works so well.

[egg]

Just now, Saint_clark said:

Amazing how so many of his teams end up just happening to defend so poorly, isn't it.

You're not persuading me that matey switching off for the first is about the coaching. That's just shit defending. 

The second may be some mad zonal, don't pick up a man, coaching I suppose. Either way, leaving the fella all alone was criminal. 

[tdmickey3]

1 minute ago, Saint_clark said:

Amazing how so many of his teams end up just happening to defend so poorly, isn't it.

I wonder what the real reason is, shall we ask Fabrice

[Harry_SFC]

Just now, egg said:

You're not persuading me that matey switching off for the first is about the coaching. That's just shit defending. 

The second may be some mad zonal, don't pick up a man, coaching I suppose. Either way, leaving the fella all alone was criminal. 

Yeah the first goal is just a total cock up by the defender/keeper.

The second though we saw happen plenty of times at Saints. 

[AlexLaw76]

Just now, Harry_SFC said:

Yeah the first goal is just a total cock up by the defender/keeper.

The second though we saw happen plenty of times at Saints. 

and the wide open spaces in midfield throughout the 1st half.

[Raging Bull]

6 minutes ago, whelk said:

It is a bit weird how obsessed many seem. Mean spirited

To be fair, I genuinely couldn’t care less about him, I’m just bored, the misses is out and I’m waiting for my youngest to finish baking coz she Russell’s up a mean cake for a young lass. 

Im pretty sure the vast, vast majority on here don’t wish him any ill. 

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Listening to the radio, and they say Rangers have been much better in the second half. And that they should really have had a second as Mignolet wasn't in control.

They did say the defensive errors that mark this team continue to cost them. But I'd have to see it, to see which were individual errors, which were Martin's system and which were Brugge just being a far more stable outfit than overhauled Rangers.

They still have a chance in the return leg. The fears the first half would lead to a rout didn't happen.

[egg]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

and the wide open spaces in midfield throughout the 1st half.

And that's despite Rothwell filling half the pitch. 

[skintsaint]

2 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Yeah the first goal is just a total cock up by the defender/keeper.

Bit harsh to blame the keeper on that one, totally the defenders issue that.

[Sheaf Saint]

1 minute ago, egg said:

You're not persuading me that matey switching off for the first is about the coaching. That's just shit defending. 

The second may be some mad zonal, don't pick up a man, coaching I suppose. Either way, leaving the fella all alone was criminal. 

Was a common occurrence during his time with us. Leicester's injury time winner at SMS last season springs to mind. Our defending of corners in general under his coaching was fucking abysmal.

[skintsaint]

38 minutes ago, Suhari said:

Is that a recent and genuine picture?!

Got it off tonights BBC live feed so assume so.

[Whitey Grandad]

8 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Bit harsh to blame the keeper on that one, totally the defenders issue that.

Bit of both.

[Harry_SFC]

8 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

Bit harsh to blame the keeper on that one, totally the defenders issue that.

You're probably right but I think a decent sweeper keeper deals with it regardless. 

[SWLondon Saint]

I honestly don't give a monkey's what he gets up to as long as he stays far away from any position here - but as I mentioned on another thread, it does make me think he actually broke BBD and Archer and badly damaged the spirit and confidence, not to mention the fitness, of the vast majority of our players. Will Still mentioned some players need to remember they're good - watching some of the Rangers players just looking lost and ragged reminded me of our players last season.

[Dman]

20 minutes ago, egg said:

You're not persuading me that matey switching off for the first is about the coaching. That's just shit defending. 

The second may be some mad zonal, don't pick up a man, coaching I suppose. Either way, leaving the fella all alone was criminal. 

19 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Yeah the first goal is just a total cock up by the defender/keeper.

The second though we saw happen plenty of times at Saints. 

The problem is, his style, posession at all costs - regardless of risk - creates confusion. 

Under 99% of other managers, the defender sticks the ball into row Z. However, under that dick head, they're pressured into playing 1 specific way. No if's, no buts. 

"Just shit defending" seems to be a trend that follows him club to club. 

[danjosaint]

8 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

You're probably right but I think a decent sweeper keeper deals with it regardless. 

And that's the issue, if its being coached that the keeper comes out as sweeper keeper which cb is relying on, Butland obviously wasn't as confident and ended in a right mess, 2nd was typical RM same as Ipswich equaliser and many more free bodies inside the box

[beatlesaint]

Russell saying he was proud of the players in the second half hasn’t gone done very well among the blue half of Glasgow going by social media 🤣

[Andrew Watson]

He is skating on thinner ice day by day. If they lose at Saint Mirren at the weekend and home to Celtic the following week,that will probably be curtains. The Brugges tie is already over, but it has certainly not helped his cause. I would imagine the vitriol on Rangers websites is off the richter scale and very well deserved,the mans intransigence to change his ludicrous style of football beggars belief.

 

[Osvaldorama]

He’s also said “the precursor for change is pain”.

 

When in reality having Martin as manager is constant pain, without change. 
 

Genuinely feel sorry for Rangers. He’s going to do so much damage to them, like he has here. He always has just enough management catch phrases to keep his job and hoodwink the non-football decision makers. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Osvaldorama

[trousers]

"I'm disappointed with the goals we conceded. We won't concede goals like that again..."

😂

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by trousers

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 minute ago, trousers said:

"I'm disappointed with the goals we conceded. We won't concede goals like that again tonight."

😂

 

Finished the sentence. 🙂

[Colinjb]

2 minutes ago, trousers said:

"I'm disappointed with the goals we conceded. We won't concede goals like that again..."

😂

 

Does he simply have contempt for the common man or something?

Say the right things often enough and they'll swallow your bullshit.

[Willo of Whiteley]

57 minutes ago, whelk said:

It is a bit weird how obsessed many seem. Mean spirited

I said the same thing a few weeks ago

[Smirking_Saint]

52 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Can I be nasty about your "wussel" joke in return? Or the minute by minute report on here every time his team gets beat?

I don't care for his time at Rangers so I've no interest in defending his work there. His work here, especially in the Championship, stands up well though and people trying to rewrite that or delude themselves into thinking they didn't enjoy it do deserve to continue to be called out though. 

The more I think about it, and it might be recency bias… but I do remember having the same conversations at the time… 
 

I don’t think he had a particularly good championship run, there wasn’t any real consistency there… we had an awful turgid start, where we all questioned his stubborn ways, he then had an incredible run, can’t take that away from him, but he then went back to a stubborn way of play and we nearly lost it at the back end if the season… we fell over the line in reality

And the prem run, whilst not all him, was mostly him, was unforgivable 

Do I hate him ? No, I met him in Winchester early prem season, he’s a nice guy.. but like Kompany did with Burnley he prioritised his credentials over the clubs survival and for that reason I’m not against the pile on on here

[Sarnia Cherie]

7 minutes ago, Osvaldorama said:

He’s also said “the precursor for change is pain”.

 

When in reality having Martin as manager is constant pain, without change. 
 

Genuinely feel sorry for Rangers. He’s going to do so much damage to them, like he has here. He always has just enough management catch phrases to keep his job and hoodwink the non-football decision makers. 

You can take Russell Martin away from Rasmus but you can't stop RM spouting Ankersen's claptrap. 

[Sarnia Cherie]

5 minutes ago, trousers said:

"I'm disappointed with the goals we conceded. We won't concede goals like that again..."

😂

 

If I was a Rangers fan I would ask for that promise in writing.

[SW11_Saint]

57 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Yeah the first goal is just a total cock up by the defender/keeper.

The second though we saw happen plenty of times at Saints. 

Ipswich & Leicester (last knockings) in successive home games as I recall? Nothing infuriates me more. 

 

[Gloucester Saint]

30 minutes ago, beatlesaint said:

Russell saying he was proud of the players in the second half hasn’t gone done very well among the blue half of Glasgow going by social media 🤣

Bournemouth away all over again.

[Osvaldorama]

13 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

I said the same thing a few weeks ago

Funny how months and months of watching absolutely shite football whilst being gaslit that you’re watching the second coming of Brazil leads to a build up in resentment. 

Weird. 

[SambaMaverick]

1 hour ago, whelk said:

It is a bit weird how obsessed many seem. Mean spirited

Too right it's mean spirited. The bloke killed my love/passion for football stone dead last season...

He's a complete fool and I hope he's booted out of Ibrox with his tail between his legs, but not before his football is publicly eviscerated for all to see.

[RedArmy]

32 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

Does he simply have contempt for the common man or something?
 

He’s a narcissist who genuinely believes he is Russell Martinola 

[Turkish]

34 minutes ago, trousers said:

"I'm disappointed with the goals we conceded. We won't concede goals like that again..."

😂

 

 

Like a copy and paste form saints 

we have to go through some pain, we’re changing habit and energy 

players didn’t stick to the game plan 

we were good for the first 3 minutes until Went 2 down

So proud of the players they will show growth from this 

😂😂😂😂

[Fabrice29]

9 minutes ago, Smirking_Saint said:

The more I think about it, and it might be recency bias… but I do remember having the same conversations at the time… 
 

I don’t think he had a particularly good championship run, there wasn’t any real consistency there… we had an awful turgid start, where we all questioned his stubborn ways, he then had an incredible run, can’t take that away from him, but he then went back to a stubborn way of play and we nearly lost it at the back end if the season… we fell over the line in reality

And the prem run, whilst not all him, was mostly him, was unforgivable 

Do I hate him ? No, I met him in Winchester early prem season, he’s a nice guy.. but like Kompany did with Burnley he prioritised his credentials over the clubs survival and for that reason I’m not against the pile on on here

It feels like that ‘incredible run’ you mentioned would be considered real consistency but I suppose it’s subjective. And yes, there were plenty of people who decided they didn’t enjoy it or it wasn’t going well etc but the facts we scored a hell of a lot of goals, won quite a lot of games and ultimately had a successful season that year. If you can’t enjoy a season like that then I feel sorry for you because taking a season like that for granted shouldn’t be done. We finished behind the 2 teams we’d finished behind the season prior and beat one of them in the most important game of the season and also of course behind Ipswich. We didn’t fall over the line, we finished fourth and stepped up in the pressure moment.

Last season was obviously a shit show. I’m not convinced he’s the main reason for that personally but it’s subjective and if people want to call him a vegan cunt for that because they think it’s funny then good for them. I think obsessively watching his teams in the hope they lose and you can quickly fire a minute by minute report of it on a messageboard is a bit strange. Especially when you consider our new managers thread took a month or so to go through the amount of pages this has tonight. 

But the idea that the Championship is just a foregone conclusion and Martin nearly fucked it up is wrong. Fingers crossed this season goes smoothly and allows people to continue that narrative obviously but I’ll be as equally as impressed by Still if he gets us up with the ease everyone expected Martin to do and makes it even more exciting with all the goals we’ll no doubt score. 

[Mboto Gorge]

4 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

It feels like that ‘incredible run’ you mentioned would be considered real consistency but I suppose it’s subjective. And yes, there were plenty of people who decided they didn’t enjoy it or it wasn’t going well etc but the facts we scored a hell of a lot of goals, won quite a lot of games and ultimately had a successful season that year. If you can’t enjoy a season like that then I feel sorry for you because taking a season like that for granted shouldn’t be done. We finished behind the 2 teams we’d finished behind the season prior and beat one of them in the most important game of the season and also of course behind Ipswich. We didn’t fall over the line, we finished fourth and stepped up in the pressure moment.

Last season was obviously a shit show. I’m not convinced he’s the main reason for that personally but it’s subjective and if people want to call him a vegan cunt for that because they think it’s funny then good for them. I think obsessively watching his teams in the hope they lose and you can quickly fire a minute by minute report of it on a messageboard is a bit strange. Especially when you consider our new managers thread took a month or so to go through the amount of pages this has tonight. 

But the idea that the Championship is just a foregone conclusion and Martin nearly fucked it up is wrong. Fingers crossed this season goes smoothly and allows people to continue that narrative obviously but I’ll be as equally as impressed by Still if he gets us up with the ease everyone expected Martin to do and makes it even more exciting with all the goals we’ll no doubt score. 

What’s even more odd than those who follow martins progress just to criticise, are those who spend time blindly defending him and getting personally offended by the criticism of an ex manager that they feel the need to consistently fight his corner. There’s something more to it with you and Martin, clearly knew him personally or something. No other explanation for you sticking up for him to the lengths that you do, as if you were a family member of his. 

[SambaMaverick]

3 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

It feels like that ‘incredible run’ you mentioned would be considered real consistency but I suppose it’s subjective. And yes, there were plenty of people who decided they didn’t enjoy it or it wasn’t going well etc but the facts we scored a hell of a lot of goals, won quite a lot of games and ultimately had a successful season that year. If you can’t enjoy a season like that then I feel sorry for you because taking a season like that for granted shouldn’t be done. We finished behind the 2 teams we’d finished behind the season prior and beat one of them in the most important game of the season and also of course behind Ipswich. We didn’t fall over the line, we finished fourth and stepped up in the pressure moment.

Last season was obviously a shit show. I’m not convinced he’s the main reason for that personally but it’s subjective and if people want to call him a vegan cunt for that because they think it’s funny then good for them. I think obsessively watching his teams in the hope they lose and you can quickly fire a minute by minute report of it on a messageboard is a bit strange. Especially when you consider our new managers thread took a month or so to go through the amount of pages this has tonight. 

But the idea that the Championship is just a foregone conclusion and Martin nearly fucked it up is wrong. Fingers crossed this season goes smoothly and allows people to continue that narrative obviously but I’ll be as equally as impressed by Still if he gets us up with the ease everyone expected Martin to do and makes it even more exciting with all the goals we’ll no doubt score. 

But ultimately, following the good performance in the Championship (that's up for debate), he threw it away instantly.

And it wasn't fully down to naivety, it was down to arrogance, incompetence and ego. He put himself above the club and the fans by trying to take his big chance in the Premier League and put it to rights.

He was ultimately paid by the club, indirectly by the fans (who pay thousands of pounds a year to watch what he was serving up), to win games of football. He did not put our best foot forward and that was a choice. It was indefensible.

To him, us winning was a secondary target - except of course when his neck was on the block in the play-offs, where he did what he should have done in the Premier League for 75% of the games.

[Fabrice29]

Just now, Mboto Gorge said:

What’s even more odd than those who follow martins progress just to criticise, are those who spend time blindly defending him and getting personally offended by the criticism of an ex manager that they feel the need to consistently fight his corner. There’s something more to it with you and Martin, clearly knew him personally or something. No other explanation for you sticking up for him to the lengths that you do, as if you were a family member of his. 

Yeah well I haven’t blindly defended him, got personally offended, ever met him or a family member of his. Apart from that though, good stuff.

[Andrew Watson]

For the record in answer to a few snide comments above, I do not dislike the man as a human being and I said that a year or two ago on the forum. The simple fact is that as a football manager, unless he changes the way he plays [ although very doubtful ], he is unlikely to stay at any club for a long time. The one good thing with failing as a football manager,is that the pay offs are more than most of us on here have earned in our entire working lives. [ In the top leagues any way. ]

[Fabrice29]

3 minutes ago, SambaMaverick said:

But ultimately, following the good performance in the Championship (that's up for debate), he threw it away instantly.

And it wasn't fully down to naivety, it was down to arrogance, incompetence and ego. He put himself above the club and the fans by trying to take his big chance in the Premier League and put it to rights.

He was ultimately paid by the club, indirectly by the fans (who pay thousands of pounds a year to watch what he was serving up), to win games of football. He did not put our best foot forward and that was a choice. It was indefensible.

To him, us winning was a secondary target - except of course when his neck was on the block in the play-offs, where he did what he should have done in the Premier League for 75% of the games.

I’m not convinced we did anything particularly different in the play offs than we did in the rest of the season personally, but that’s an idea that people find baffling on here as well. I’m also not convinced doing anything differently than the way we did it in the PL would have got us particularly better results either, and I’d suggest the two managers who struggled after him records would suggest that as would the 3 managers with us in the PL before him. But anyway, that’s an age old debate I’ve obviously had on here and it’s too late to do it again tonight. 

[Badger]

47 minutes ago, Colinjb said:

Does he simply have contempt for the common man or something?

Say the right things often enough and they'll swallow your bullshit.

Smarmy bullshitter. Some things never change.

Still talking the same crap about “energy … intensity… so brave …. resilience “ . Always seems to be trotted out about a second half which is a lost cause aftef a shit show in the first. 
 

Think he forgot having “so much love for those guys ..” from his recital tonight , or perhaps he’s realised that wouldn’t be fully understood or go down too well in Glasgow 

[Colinjb]

8 minutes ago, Badger said:

Think he forgot having “so much love for those guys ..” from his recital tonight , or perhaps he’s realised that wouldn’t be fully understood or go down too well in Glasgow 

This implies growth and an ability to reflect and adapt. Behave.

Edited 1 hour ago by Colinjb

[Mboto Gorge]

16 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Yeah well I haven’t blindly defended him, got personally offended, ever met him or a family member of his. Apart from that though, good stuff.

I’m speculating as to why you’re defending an ex manager so stoically pal. It’s weird. And it’s weird because he’s clearly a very poor manager but not only that, he’s delusional, constantly passes the Buck either to the players or to previous management regimes for poor results caused solely by the way he sets his teams up, whilst at the same time tries to tell everyone they’re watching a unique and incredible football product in the making, it’s laughable but not quite as laughable as you jumping to defend it at every turn. Does that make sense to you, or are you going to patronise me again with your next reply? 

Edited 1 hour ago by Mboto Gorge

[Colinjb]

28 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

It feels like that ‘incredible run’ you mentioned would be considered real consistency but I suppose it’s subjective. And yes, there were plenty of people who decided they didn’t enjoy it or it wasn’t going well etc but the facts we scored a hell of a lot of goals, won quite a lot of games and ultimately had a successful season that year. If you can’t enjoy a season like that then I feel sorry for you because taking a season like that for granted shouldn’t be done. We finished behind the 2 teams we’d finished behind the season prior and beat one of them in the most important game of the season and also of course behind Ipswich. We didn’t fall over the line, we finished fourth and stepped up in the pressure moment.

Last season was obviously a shit show. I’m not convinced he’s the main reason for that personally but it’s subjective and if people want to call him a vegan cunt for that because they think it’s funny then good for them. I think obsessively watching his teams in the hope they lose and you can quickly fire a minute by minute report of it on a messageboard is a bit strange. Especially when you consider our new managers thread took a month or so to go through the amount of pages this has tonight. 

But the idea that the Championship is just a foregone conclusion and Martin nearly fucked it up is wrong. Fingers crossed this season goes smoothly and allows people to continue that narrative obviously but I’ll be as equally as impressed by Still if he gets us up with the ease everyone expected Martin to do and makes it even more exciting with all the goals we’ll no doubt score. 

Oh to be spat on and consider it refreshing rain.

[Fabrice29]

6 minutes ago, Mboto Gorge said:

I’m speculating as to why you’re defending an ex manager so stoically pal. It’s weird. And it’s weird because he’s clearly a very poor manager but not only that, he’s delusional, constantly passes the Buck either to the players or to previous management regimes for poor results caused solely by the way he sets his teams up, whilst at the same time tries to tell everyone they’re watching a unique and incredible football product in the making, it’s laughable but not quite as laughable as you jumping to defend it at every turn. Does that make sense to you, or are you going to patronise me again with your next reply? 

Because I thought the job he did here was good up until last season and then I don’t think he’s the main reason we were so bad. Does that make sense to you or would you like me to spell it out more patronisingly?

[Mboto Gorge]

8 minutes ago, Fabrice29 said:

Because I thought the job he did here was good up until last season and then I don’t think he’s the main reason we were so bad. Does that make sense to you or would you like me to spell it out more patronisingly?

Ok fair enough. We all have our different opinions. Maybe you can try to talk some sense into some 40,000 Rangers fans who are convinced he’s terrible then. You can list his plus points to put them at ease and talk about the good job he did in our championship season. Should pacify them for a bit. 

[HKsaint]

I think we will get a premier league job soon.