The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

[CB Fry]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

I rarely believe anything I read in msm. It is you who needs to progress your thinking. 

As ever you get everything the wrong way around. And yet you are so thick you still cannot see it 

Is this part where you get to call other people "thicko" and "little one" and various other names then at the same time sob and squeal like a little bitch if any calls you a pitifully thick twat?

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, east-stand-nic said:

I rarely believe anything I read in msm. It is you who needs to progress your thinking. 

As ever you get everything the wrong way around. And yet you are so thick you still cannot see it 

In response to your second line, ( added well after my original reply ); why are you so insecure ? Why do you think slinging  insults makes you the "winner", or the "better person" ?

It doesn't.

 

[badgerx16]

Chris Philp, the shadow Home Secretary, has said the Starmer Government has been "far, far too slow" in negotiating a trade deal with the US.

What were the Tories doing since Brexit ?

 

Edited April 3 by badgerx16

[egg]

13 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Chris Philp, the shadow Home Secretary, has said the Starmer Government has been "far, far too slow" in negotiating a trade deal with the US.

What were the Tories doing since Brexit ?

 

Hiding after the shit deal they landed us with. 

[Weston Super Saint]

Is the 'new broom' actually 'Trigger's broom'?

Another (alleged) wrong 'un gets suspended : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czx48gq0y77o

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MP Dan Norris has been arrested on suspicion of rape, child sex offences, child abduction and misconduct in a public office.

The Labour Party says it "immediately suspended" the MP for North East Somerset and Hanham after being made aware of his arrest.

At this rate, the bristles on the broom will have all been replaced by the next election.

 

[Turkish]

On 02/04/2025 at 18:29, CB Fry said:

Is this part where you get to call other people "thicko" and "little one" and various other names then at the same time sob and squeal like a little bitch if any calls you a pitifully thick twat?

“Little one” that was what “he” used to refer to people as. 🤔🤔🤔

 

perhaps he has outed himself although I’m yet to see adios or game, set and match used in a post but will be keeping a closer eye in future. I always assumed he was another Dune user name 

Edited April 6 by Turkish

[Tamesaint]

6 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Is the 'new broom' actually 'Trigger's broom'?

Another (alleged) wrong 'un gets suspended : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czx48gq0y77o

At this rate, the bristles on the broom will have all been replaced by the next election.

 

We expect you to have the inside knowledge on brooms. 😁😁😁

[Weston Super Saint]

53 minutes ago, Tamesaint said:

We expect you to have the inside knowledge on brooms. 😁😁😁

Only Trigger's  

[miserableoldgit]

i am, as my user name suggests, an old git. I voted Labour through the Wilson/Callaghan years, through to, and including, the Blair years. Sadly this current bunch of Muppets are as far removed from a Labour government as it is possible to be. They are a just a bunch of wannabee "politicians" high on the kudos of being in power. They lie and expect us to believe their lies. The continual references to a "£22BN Black Hole" and blaming the previous government for everything are becoming laughable.

[Lord Duckhunter]

9 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Is the 'new broom' actually 'Trigger's broom'?

Another (alleged) wrong 'un gets suspended : https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czx48gq0y77o

At this rate, the bristles on the broom will have all been replaced by the next election.

 

Surprised the nonce finder General Tom Watson wasn’t all over this….

[Gloucester Saint]

Luckily for them the opposition is far worse again https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czjn3071yv3o or we’ve got Farage licking Trump and Musk’s arses.

[hypochondriac]

7 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Luckily for them the opposition is far worse again https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czjn3071yv3o or we’ve got Farage licking Trump and Musk’s arses.

Bit awkward for some of the MPs criticising this that they also supported the banning of an MP from another country to the UK as well as calling for Trump to be banned. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

22 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Bit awkward for some of the MPs criticising this that they also supported the banning of an MP from another country to the UK as well as calling for Trump to be banned. 

It’s not awkward for them, hypocrisy comes easy to this lot….

[badgerx16]

Starmer posts on X wishing Sikhs a happy Vaisakhi, but doesn't mention Palm Sunday, one of the most important dates in the Christian calendar..

Edited April 13 by badgerx16

[CB Fry]

17 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Starmer posts on X wishing Sikhs a happy Vaisakhi, but doesn't mention Palm Sunday, one of the most important dates in the Christian calendar..

We're pretending we all celebrate Palm Sunday now, are we. Do tell us what you did today.

[badgerx16]

21 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

We're pretending we all celebrate Palm Sunday now, are we. Do tell us what you did today.

Went for a bike ride, what about you ? I don't celebrate religious festivals or significant religious dates, but thought that if the Prime Minister is going to make specific mention of a Sikh festival, then perhaps he needs to be consistent across all of the various major religious belief systems the people of the United Kingdom follow.

Let's see if Passover gets a mention next weekend, given his family connection.

Edited April 13 by badgerx16

[Holmes_and_Watson]

21 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

We're pretending we all celebrate Palm Sunday now, are we. Do tell us what you did today.

High fived the first dozen people I met, just as Big J and The Disciples did.

[CB Fry]

21 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

Went for a bike ride, what about you ? I don't celebrate religious festivals or significant religious dates, but thought that if the Prime Minister is going to make specific mention of a Sikh festival, then perhaps he needs to be consistent across all of the various major religious belief systems the people of the United Kingdom follow.

Let's see if Passover gets a mention next weekend, given his family connection.

Labour party have already done the passover social media post, not that you actually give a fuck.

Let's see if he does Easter for the white people next week. Let's see if he does. I wonder if they will. Hmm. I wonder. (Clue: of course they will)

[badgerx16]

44 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

Labour party have already done the passover social media post, not that you actually give a fuck.

Let's see if he does Easter for the white people next week. Let's see if he does. I wonder if they will. Hmm. I wonder. (Clue: of course they will)

What if they do it for the Christians of African heritage ? Would that be OK ?

[Patrick Bateman]

3 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Starmer posts on X wishing Sikhs a happy Vaisakhi, but doesn't mention Palm Sunday, one of the most important dates in the Christian calendar..

Easter Sunday, not Palm Sunday, is the most important date in the Christian calendar as it celebrates the resurrection, eternal life and the victory over sin. So I would expect it to be mentioned then.

[CB Fry]

11 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

What if they do it for the Christians of African heritage ? Would that be OK ?

It's not me crying about the governing party not putting up posts about Palm Sunday, so you tell me, your Holiness.

[Turkish]

47 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

It's not me crying about the governing party not putting up posts about Palm Sunday, so you tell me, your Holiness.

didn't you make pancakes to celebrate too? Unless i see Keir tucking into a pancake im furious i tell you, furious.

[revolution saint]

16 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Starmer posts on X wishing Sikhs a happy Vaisakhi, but doesn't mention Palm Sunday, one of the most important dates in the Christian calendar..

Shouldn't this be in the "small things that annoy you" thread?

[hypochondriac]

Oh thank Christ (literally!) if we don't get one from Prince Charles though can I worry that he's a secret satanist? 

 

[Lord Duckhunter]

“Smash the gangs” update. 
 

This is the unbelievable deal they’re offering private landlords to house “Asylum seekers”. Won’t save them any money, but they can say they’ve moved them out of hotels. Won’t address the problem, just move it and buy themselves a but of time until the public catch up…

 

Edited April 27 by Lord Duckhunter

[egg]

5 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

“Smash the gangs” update. 
 

This is the unbelievable deal they’re offering private landlords to house “Asylum seekers”. Won’t save them any money, but they can say they’ve moved them out of hotels. Won’t address the problem, just move it and buy themselves a but of time until the public catch up…

 

Got a link to the website mate? I'll have some of that. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

39 minutes ago, egg said:

Got a link to the website mate? I'll have some of that. 

Areas in green are available. This is just bottom half of country. There’s plenty up north as well. 
 

Get in quick because the gangs will be smashed soon 😂😂

 

 

[Whitey Grandad]

6 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

“Smash the gangs” update. 
 

This is the unbelievable deal they’re offering private landlords to house “Asylum seekers”. Won’t save them any money, but they can say they’ve moved them out of hotels. Won’t address the problem, just move it and buy themselves a but of time until the public catch up…

 

Where do I apply? As an asylum seeker, not a landlord.

[hypochondriac]

Ignoring the performance of all the other parties, a really remarkably poor set of results for Starmer. Seems he's pissed off both the red wall people and the lefties with his cuts on the poor, disabled and old and so far has failed to sell a positive vision to the electorate. Still work to do to get his messaging right and convince people to give him longer than one term. 

Edited Friday at 17:45 by hypochondriac

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Ignoring the performance of all the other parties, a really remarkably poor set of results for Starmer. Seems he's pissed off both the red wall people and the lefties with his cuts on the poor, disabled and old and so far has failed to sell a positive vision to the electorate. Still work to do to get his messaging right and convince people to give him longer than one term. 

He’s now going to “further and faster” 😂😂. 
 

The bloke is deluded and out of touch…

[egg]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

Ignoring the performance of all the other parties, a really remarkably poor set of results for Starmer. Seems he's pissed off both the red wall people and the lefties with his cuts on the poor, disabled and old and so far has failed to sell a positive vision to the electorate. Still work to do to get his messaging right and convince people to give him longer than one term. 

Yep. It's hard to see who labour can appeal to at the moment. They were handed a shit hand, but they've played it badly. 

[whelk]

1 minute ago, egg said:

Yep. It's hard to see who labour can appeal to at the moment. They were handed a shit hand, but they've played it badly. 

You say played it badly but many like LD are just our equivalent of hysterical MAGA. For Biden just insert Starmer. Nothing they do will change them

[hypochondriac]

7 minutes ago, whelk said:

You say played it badly but many like LD are just our equivalent of hysterical MAGA. For Biden just insert Starmer. Nothing they do will change them

They're not really the people Labour have to convince though are they. This is an historically significant loss for Labour of seats from 2021 where they already had a pretty bad showing. Even if you're a staunch Labour supporter it's hard to deny they've not done a good job over the last ten months considering the drop-off in support. Really failed to differentiate themselves much from the woeful policies of the Tories. 

They're a little bit stuck really. Push on to the right to head off reform and they will lose any last vestages of traditional lefty support and get open revolt from some who never liked Starmer but were temporarily silenced due to his success. Swing back left and become an unelectable protest party again with much of the red wall turning their backs on you. It's quite a conundrum for those at the top. 

Edited Friday at 19:10 by hypochondriac

[badgerx16]

10 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

They're not really the people Labour have to convince though are they. This is an historically significant loss for Labour of seats from 2021 where they already had a pretty bad showing. Even if you're a staunch Labour supporter it's hard to deny they've not done a good job over the last ten months considering the drop-off in support. Really failed to differentiate themselves much from the woeful policies of the Tories. 

They're a little bit stuck really. Push on to the right to head off reform and they will lose any last vestages of traditional lefty support and get open revolt from some who never liked Starmer but were temporarily silenced due to his success. Swing back left and become an unelectable protest party again with much of the red wall turning their backs on you. It's quite a conundrum for those at the top. 

I think that a major issue for Starmer and Labour is that they are blinded by the size of their majority, which distorts how they really performed in the GE. The disparity between percentage share of the vote and percentage of HoC seats won was the greatest ever recorded, and many of those seats were won because Reform significantly split the Conservative vote. Labour's vote share was the lowest by a winning party for over a century, yet they have  the second largest majority since 1935, only bettered by Tony Blair's first victory.

Electorally they are much weaker than might appear on face value.

[Gloucester Saint]

16 minutes ago, whelk said:

You say played it badly but many like LD are just our equivalent of hysterical MAGA. For Biden just insert Starmer. Nothing they do will change them

I think voters who are really appalled by Trump and MAGA have really got to be organised to see the populists off here. Reform/UKIP/BNP have done well in local and European elections (when we had them) before, but not quite to this extent. Long way to go but hard to see Labour getting to 326 seats next GE, as Hypo says knife edge on being too left/right wing.

Lib Dem growth is encouraging and not just because I vote for them. Probably the best is Lab largest party with Lib Dem and Greens, who are starting to translate local results into national, vote by vote. 

Reform would do grave economic harm and the last thing we need is to swing back towards Brexit when public opinion clearly shows support for closer links with the EU. Economically it’s crucial. 

Would welcome a revival of One Nation Conservatism as the grown ups in their party but can’t see from where. 

[Gloucester Saint]

1 minute ago, badgerx16 said:

I think that a major issue for Starmer and Labour is that they are blinded by the size of their majority, which distorts how they really performed in the GE. The disparity between percentage share of the vote and percentage of HoC seats won was the greatest ever recorded, and many of those seats were won because Reform significantly split the Conservative vote. Labour's vote share was the lowest by a winning party for over a century, yet they have  the second largest majority since 1935, only bettered by Tony Blair's first victory.

Electorally they are much weaker than might appear on face value.

John Curtice is making this point a lot.

[Baird of the land]

29 minutes ago, egg said:

Yep. It's hard to see who labour can appeal to at the moment. They were handed a shit hand, but they've played it badly. 

there’s not a good way to play it. If they’d chosen a different set of tough choices it would just be a different group screaming blue murder.

[Gloucester Saint]

20 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

there’s not a good way to play it. If they’d chosen a different set of tough choices it would just be a different group screaming blue murder.

Country’s become ungovernable since Brexit. Both UK but especially England. Boris’s 2019 electoral coalition wasn’t any more secure than Labour’s last year.

 

[hypochondriac]

43 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

there’s not a good way to play it. If they’d chosen a different set of tough choices it would just be a different group screaming blue murder.

It's a cost benefit analysis. I'm not suggesting an alternative cut, but going all Keir Starmer granny harmer has made almost no money but pissed off a disproportionately large amount of people. Tactically it was clearly the wrong move. 

[hypochondriac]

25 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Country’s become ungovernable since Brexit. Both UK but especially England. Boris’s 2019 electoral coalition wasn’t any more secure than Labour’s last year.

 

That's suggesting that Labour could have done nothing else and any choices they have made since last year would have resulted in the exact same outcome. That's clearly not true. 

[egg]

55 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

there’s not a good way to play it. If they’d chosen a different set of tough choices it would just be a different group screaming blue murder.

They've had no easy options for sure, and any decision impacts some portion of society. Hypo's point that I agree with is that they ain't appealing to either the left or the right. With a lame duck Tory party z they're leaving the door wide open for Reform..

[aintforever]

52 minutes ago, Baird of the land said:

there’s not a good way to play it. If they’d chosen a different set of tough choices it would just be a different group screaming blue murder.

Agree with this, though the oldies winter payments thing was handled badly. I get why they wanted to make the unpopular decisions early but doing it so soon after the election just made them look too dishonest. I guess only time will tell if it was the right decision, being unpopular now doesn’t matter, it’s only what people think in four years time that counts.

[hypochondriac]

6 minutes ago, egg said:

They've had no easy options for sure, and any decision impacts some portion of society. Hypo's point that I agree with is that they ain't appealing to either the left or the right. With a lame duck Tory party z they're leaving the door wide open for Reform..

If they try to copy reform policies and actions it's not going to do anything because if you want those policies you're not going to go with Labour to get them. Similarly many are going to be repulsed if they go closer again to Corbyn type policies. I'm genuinely not sure what Labour can do short of war with Russia maybe or some other sort of grand unifying narrative that resonates somehow. 

[AlexLaw76]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

If they try to copy reform policies and actions it's not going to do anything because if you want those policies you're not going to go with Labour to get them. Similarly many are going to be repulsed if they go closer again to Corbyn type policies. I'm genuinely not sure what Labour can do short of war with Russia maybe or some other sort of grand unifying narrative that resonates somehow. 

They can “smash the gangs”?

😂

[hypochondriac]

10 minutes ago, aintforever said:

Agree with this, though the oldies winter payments thing was handled badly. I get why they wanted to make the unpopular decisions early but doing it so soon after the election just made them look too dishonest. I guess only time will tell if it was the right decision, being unpopular now doesn’t matter, it’s only what people think in four years time that counts.

Labour only got into power because the Tories messed up so badly. Labour are going to have to find some way to make people like them and inspire people. That's going to be almost impossible in my opinion under Starmer. Maybe someone like Andy Burnham would have a better shot. 

[hypochondriac]

Just now, AlexLaw76 said:

They can “smash the gangs”?

😂

It's a good point though. If you genuinely want something to be done about that then you're not going to be voting Labour are you. Seems a bit pointless of Labour to concentrate so much of their messaging on that. Particularly because they aren't actually going to succeed and it's going to be used as a stick to beat them with. 

[tdmickey3]

2 hours ago, Baird of the land said:

there’s not a good way to play it. If they’d chosen a different set of tough choices it would just be a different group screaming blue murder.

Spot on.

Everyone wants everything but don't want to pay for it

[tdmickey3]

2 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

He’s now going to “further and faster” 😂😂. 
 

The bloke is deluded and out of touch…

That is you actually 

[sadoldgit]

1 hour ago, aintforever said:

Agree with this, though the oldies winter payments thing was handled badly. I get why they wanted to make the unpopular decisions early but doing it so soon after the election just made them look too dishonest. I guess only time will tell if it was the right decision, being unpopular now doesn’t matter, it’s only what people think in four years time that counts.

Which is why they get the difficult decisions out of the way early. They would have expected a kicking in yesterday’s polls. The Tories got by far the biggest kicking though. It’s quite incredible how a party that has been so strong in local government over so many years have been wiped off the map.

Farage has a massive problem now. He has chipped away from the sidelines for years. Now he is under the microscope big time and has to show he can deliver. He will fail spectacularly because he has nothing but hatred of immigrants in his locker.

Edited Friday at 21:50 by sadoldgit

[Gloucester Saint]

5 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Farage has a massive problem now. He has chipped away from the sidelines for years. Now he is under the microscope big time and has to show he can deliver. He will fail spectacularly because he has nothing but hatred of immigrants in his locker.

The Thanet debacle is the hope I have that now they are under the microscope and have to deliver as a collection of individualists and oddballs, that they fall apart https://news.sky.com/story/ukip-to-lose-the-only-council-they-control-as-thanet-leader-resigns-11258103

Farage will say that was UKIP, and Reform UK is different, more professional. But Thanet was only 2015-18. Already tensions between Jenkyns and Farage over neurodiversity (I’m staggered she said something I strongly agree with, but Farage’s comments were vile).