The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

[Weston Super Saint]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

What was this in reference to?

Top three breakfast cereals.

[badgerx16]

2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

What was this in reference to?

John is finally leaving for the United States of Trump.

( I can dream ).

[whelk]

Assume the conspiracy twats so desperately wanting to believe rent boys, affairs of Starmer etc. will be all over this story. Personally I think Starmer had a torrid affair with El Money and this was his revenge for being dumped. Truth will be out soon eh eh

https://www.independent.co.uk/bulletin/news/starmer-arson-attack-el-money-court-b2967192.html

Edited April 29 by whelk

[whelk]

On 23/04/2026 at 18:13, Lord Duckhunter said:

He’s done, no doubt about it. We’ve had The New Statesmen, Guardian, even Kevin Mcquire ffs, receiving briefings left right and centre, so it’s not just the Tim Shipman’s of the world. Senior Labour officials, civil servants, MP’s and members of the cabinet.  

Yeah I’ll put this one with the imminent united Ireland prediction. 

[whelk]

22 hours ago, Guided Missile said:

Cheerio, cheerio, cheerio....

I hope these feeble cunts don’t bet on anything. Not great at forecasting 

[whelk]

On 22/04/2026 at 08:15, tdmickey3 said:

He is done, not sure why he`s clinging on but they all do it don't they?

Err maybe he doesn’t listen to Saintsweb predictions and the hysterical Mail, Telegraph, Express and Times desperate for it to happen

[benjii]

Not directly on topic, but Lowe getting rinsed in parliament is nice.

 

 

[Weston Super Saint]

I predicted Starmer would be gone the last time they called for his head and he survived.  I think he's lucky that they don't really have an alternative lined up and Teflon Kier will survive again after the local elections disaster!

Have to say this bland grey boring politics certainly has some twists and turns!

[tdmickey3]

41 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I predicted Starmer would be gone the last time they called for his head and he survived.  I think he's lucky that they don't really have an alternative lined up and Teflon Kier will survive again after the local elections disaster!

Have to say this bland grey boring politics certainly has some twists and turns!

He will be gone.

[AlexLaw76]

New broom still sweeping clean?

[Turkish]

Sacked in the morning you’re getting sacked on the morning 

[bpsaint]

I guess this proves why Kier wanted to cancel the democratic elections for 5 million people.

At least he’ll get a nice big pay off to spend on some more Ukrainian rentboys*
 

*allegedly

 

Edited Friday at 07:44 by bpsaint

[Gloucester Saint]

5 hours ago, Weston Super Saint said:

I predicted Starmer would be gone the last time they called for his head and he survived.  I think he's lucky that they don't really have an alternative lined up and Teflon Kier will survive again after the local elections disaster!

Have to say this bland grey boring politics certainly has some twists and turns!

The vote is very fragmented. Reform are cleaning up in strong Brexit areas but struggling to get 1 in 10 votes outside of Brexit strongholds, similar to UKIP days. Would be a very mixed seat conversion at a General Election and nowhere a majority, largest party at very best.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8p4yn448vo

Labour and Conservatives done very badly, Starmer under pressure and Badenoch could be gone by the autumn. Questions for Ed Davey - should be doing better in SE, SW. Holding comfortably what they had but new councils and seat gains are fairly modest. 

 

Edited Friday at 11:37 by Gloucester Saint
With link

[Lord Duckhunter]

 

[Guided Missile]

Cheerio, cheerio, cheerio...

[Lord Duckhunter]

Greens celebrating taking Hackney. 
 

 

[badgerx16]

58 minutes ago, Guided Missile said:

Cheerio, cheerio, cheerio...

Late breakfast, or are you leaving ?

Edited Friday at 12:49 by badgerx16

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Is there about to be a new broom sweeping away the bits of the new broom?

Lots of articles on Catherine West launching a leadership bid on Monday. As a prompt for others. But are Rayner (HMRC), Streeting (Mandelson connections), Burnham (not a MP), Miliband (not even the best Miliband, despite union backing) ready?

I'd read that both Rayner and Streeting had enough backing already to launch one. But there's also an Anyone but Ange campaign.

Is West fronting for anyone in particular? An early campaign, not allowing Starmer a timetable for departure, rules out Burnham.

Could there be enough in fighting, that one of the other brooms in the broom cabinet, ends up in charge, like a Reeves, Mahmood, Lammy or Cooper?

Starmer hasn't much faith in any of them. If he goes, he considers that things will "descend into chaos"

[Stripey McStripe Shirt]

2 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Is there about to be a new broom sweeping away the bits of the new broom?

Lots of articles on Catherine West launching a leadership bid on Monday. As a prompt for others. But are Rayner (HMRC), Streeting (Mandelson connections), Burnham (not a MP), Miliband (not even the best Miliband, despite union backing) ready?

I'd read that both Rayner and Streeting had enough backing already to launch one. But there's also an Anyone but Ange campaign.

Is West fronting for anyone in particular? An early campaign, not allowing Starmer a timetable for departure, rules out Burnham.

Could there be enough in fighting, that one of the other brooms in the broom cabinet, ends up in charge, like a Reeves, Mahmood, Lammy or Cooper?

Starmer hasn't much faith in any of them. If he goes, he considers that things will "descend into chaos"

Diane Abbot for PM!

[Weston Super Saint]

 

5 hours ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Is there about to be a new broom sweeping away the bits of the new broom?

Lots of articles on Catherine West launching a leadership bid on Monday. As a prompt for others. But are Rayner (HMRC), Streeting (Mandelson connections), Burnham (not a MP), Miliband (not even the best Miliband, despite union backing) ready?

I'd read that both Rayner and Streeting had enough backing already to launch one. But there's also an Anyone but Ange campaign.

Is West fronting for anyone in particular? An early campaign, not allowing Starmer a timetable for departure, rules out Burnham.

Could there be enough in fighting, that one of the other brooms in the broom cabinet, ends up in charge, like a Reeves, Mahmood, Lammy or Cooper?

Starmer hasn't much faith in any of them. If he goes, he considers that things will "descend into chaos"

A reminder of how the thread started v how's it going!

On 16/07/2024 at 08:55, sadoldgit said:

Now that the GE is done and dusted it is time for a new political thread. Hopefully we can get back to grey, boring politics again after the crazy, psycho dramas of the last few years.

Starmer’s Labour have certainly hit the ground running but it doesn’t look like they will be given much of a honeymoon period.

 

[badgerx16]

Imagine if in a few years time we are running a "The Farage years, will the new broom sweep clean ?" thread.

[Challenger]

Now in the same position that the Tories were in, scratching around for the least worst candidate, hoping something improves.

Maybe Starmer should now use his own advice back then and call for a GE to sort it all out, but of course now nobody knows what the fuck we will end up with.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

4 hours ago, Stripey McStripe Shirt said:

Diane Abbot for PM!

In the next month: New Labour leader is more from the left.

Next election: Labour get trounced

Following next election: To break into the new two party politics of the Greens and Reform, Labour pitch further to the left.

New leader picked: Abbott is still there as Hackney MP, and becomes new leader.

Corbyn and far, far left brought back into the fold, the Greens are destabilised and the Labour cycle begins anew.

They get trounced again at the next election by the Con-Form coalition.

[Gloucester Saint]

1 hour ago, Challenger said:

Now in the same position that the Tories were in, scratching around for the least worst candidate, hoping something improves.

Maybe Starmer should now use his own advice back then and call for a GE to sort it all out, but of course now nobody knows what the fuck we will end up with.

GE very last thing a highly divided country needs right now with the fall out from Trump and Mad Ben, markets twitchier than Harry Redknapp as it is. Nobody is anywhere near an overall majority and it’d either be a Remain or Brexit coalition, as if those fissures haven’t been sore enough since 2016.

But yes, Starmer clearly toast.

I suspect it’ll be Streeting but he may be waiting for the US mid-terms to disable MAGA who will be too busy fighting impeachment to hurl homophobic hate across the Atlantic. 

Edited 22 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[egg]

12 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

GE very last thing a highly divided country needs right now with the fall out from Trump and Mad Ben, markets twitchier than Harry Redknapp as it is. Nobody is anywhere near an overall majority and it’d either be a Remain or Brexit coalition, as if those fissures haven’t been sore enough since 2016.

But yes, Starmer clearly toast.

I suspect it’ll be Streeting but he may be waiting for the US mid-terms to disable MAGA who will be too busy fighting impeachment to hurl homophobic hate across the Atlantic. 

I agree with that, although I think the markets are now starting to align with the economic reality rather than reacting to uncertainty as such, although uncertainty won't help. There's no chance of a GE anyways, that'd be turkeys/Xmas. 

Streeting is the most credible imo, but I'm not sure how well received he'd be by the right leaning masses, and whether we'd be going from someone who's become unpopular to someone who will never be popular. 

[Gloucester Saint]

Just now, egg said:

I agree with that, although I think the markets are now starting to align with the economic reality rather than reacting to uncertainty as such, although uncertainty won't help. There's no chance of a GE anyways, that'd be turkeys/Xmas. 

Streeting is the most credible imo, but I'm not sure how well received he'd be by the right leaning masses, and whether we'd be going from someone who's become unpopular to someone who will never be popular. 

Best orator they have and not afraid to make unpopular decisions. Some will clearly have an issue with his sexuality but they’re firmly in the Brexit bloc anyway.

[Holmes_and_Watson]

Seems that West will now listen to what Starmer has to say. So, not a definite attempt to get 81 signatures. This gives all the front runners more time to organise their own schemes.

 

[iansums]

3 hours ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Best orator they have and not afraid to make unpopular decisions. Some will clearly have an issue with his sexuality but they’re firmly in the Brexit bloc anyway.

I would agree that Streeting is the best option. Mahmood has also impressed me, which is odd considering I’m Islamophobic.

[badgerx16]

2 hours ago, iansums said:

. Mahmood has also impressed me, which is odd considering I’m Islamophobic.

You are probably secretly mysogynistic as well. We really don't want the likes of you casting a ballot.

Edited 16 hours ago by badgerx16

[Sir Ralph]

The mad lefties in the Labour Party are about to get in via the back door that nobody wanted to be open. Starmer was the acceptable moderate “more” (relatively) centrist face to get them in. If people thought the first part of them in charge was bad, just wait to part two. It’s going to be a bad few years. Hopefully the start of the end of the LP as people will see their true colours. 

Edited 16 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[badgerx16]

28 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

The mad lefties in the Labour Party are about to get in via the back door that nobody wanted to be open. Starmer was the acceptable moderate “more” (relatively) centrist face to get them in. If people thought the first part of them in charge was bad, just wait to part two. It’s going to be a bad few years. Hopefully the start of the end of the LP as people will see their true colours. 

You mean other than being socialists, backed by the unions, proponents of public ownership, wanting higher taxes on wealth and Big Business, and quite possibly pacifist CND supporters ? I'm fairly sure that these things are already widely known.

[Sir Ralph]

13 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

You mean other than being socialists, backed by the unions, proponents of public ownership, wanting higher taxes on wealth and Big Business, and quite possibly pacifist CND supporters ? I'm fairly sure that these things are already widely known.

Ok the true impact of their “real world” illiteracy would have been a better description. The proposed leadership and their policies will be a big step down in the status of the UK being relevant in terms of world politics and business. 

Edited 15 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Gloucester Saint]

3 hours ago, iansums said:

I would agree that Streeting is the best option. Mahmood has also impressed me, which is odd considering I’m Islamophobic.

🎵 You’re not allowed to vote, you’re not allowed to vote 🎵 😉

Edited 15 hours ago by Gloucester Saint

[badgerx16]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

Ok the true impact of their “real world” illiteracy would have been a better description. The proposed leadership and their policies will be a big step down in the status of the UK being relevant in terms of world politics and business. 

Ultimately it is down to how the electorate cast their ballots in the next GE. If sufficient people vote for them they will form the next Government.

Personally, I think a Reform Government would be the worst possible outcome, then again enough people voted for the economic harm that is Brexit.

Edited 14 hours ago by badgerx16

[Sir Ralph]

2 hours ago, badgerx16 said:

Ultimately it is down to how the electorate cast their ballots in the next GE. If sufficient people vote for them they will form the next Government.

Personally, I think a Reform Government would be the worst possible outcome, then again enough people voted for the economic harm that is Brexit.

I think the point is nobody voted for the mad left side of the Labour Party to be running the show. I suppose we will have to see but I can’t see them having a chance of getting voted in again. 

Now Brexit is here, having listened to people like Richard Tice in person I  believe that their domestic policies will be positive for business as they actually have business backgrounds and understand it, unlike the current cabinet. 

Edited 12 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[badgerx16]

5 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I think the point is nobody voted for the mad left side of the Labour Party to be running the show. I suppose we will have to see but I can’t see them having a chance of getting voted in again. 

1) All parties are coalitions.

2) Somebody liked and voted for them otherwise people like Dianne Abbott would not be MPs.

3) How many people in the last 3 years have voted Conservative, either locally or nationally  only to see their chosen candidate switch to Reform - a party they did not vote for ?

5 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Now Brexit is here, personally having listened to people like Richard Tice in person I  believe that their domestic policies will be positive for business as they actually have business backgrounds and understand it, unlike the current cabinet. 

There you go  people are entitled to hold differing opinions. ( Yours are wrong, but you are entitled to hold them. 🙂 )

[Weston Super Saint]

29 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I think the point is nobody voted for the mad left side of the Labour Party to be running the show.  

 

Nobody voted for Liz Truss but we still had to put up with her.

[Sir Ralph]

7 minutes ago, Weston Super Saint said:

Nobody voted for Liz Truss but we still had to put up with her.

I agree it’s the same situation. So you agree the majority didn’t vote for the mad left of the LP

Edited 12 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Sir Ralph]

23 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

1) All parties are coalitions.

2) Somebody liked and voted for them otherwise people like Dianne Abbott would not be MPs.

3) How many people in the last 3 years have voted Conservative, either locally or nationally  only to see their chosen candidate switch to Reform - a party they did not vote for ?

There you go  people are entitled to hold differing opinions. ( Yours are wrong, but you are entitled to hold them. 🙂 )

Fair points other than the last one. 😀

[Farmer Saint]

9 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

I agree it’s the same situation. So you agree the majority didn’t vote for the mad left of the LP

You know that the Reform economic plan is very similar to Truss's? 

People voted for the Labour party, the right wing press have pushed and pushed, spread misinformation about economic failings and the reasons for it and have conned the electorate into thinking we're doing worse than we are. Starmer has not done well, but has not done anywhere near as poorly as people are making out. Reap what you sow and all that jazz.

Edited 3 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[badgerx16]

10 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

I agree it’s the same situation. So you agree the majority didn’t vote for the mad left of the LP

Since WW2 only David Cameron's 2010 GE victory has been with a majority of the votes cast, and even that was not a majority of the electorate.

Edited 1 hour ago by badgerx16

[Holmes_and_Watson]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

You know that the Reform economic plan is very similar to Truss's? 

People voted for the Labour party, the right wing press have pushed and pushed, spread misinformation about economic failings and the reasons for it and have conned the electorate into thinking we're doing worse than we are. Starmer has not done well, but has not done anywhere near as poorly as people are making out. Reap what you sow and all that jazz.

The interviews I was hearing yesterday were all saying how unpopular Starmer was on the doorstep.

None of them said why that was.

On the way forward, the interviewees talked about what they'd like to see.

So, it seems to be a lack of progress rather than things like Mandelson.

All of them wanted to go straight into spending other people's money from the magic money tree.

The things that made them unelectable in the first place, and camped so firmly on the left, it needed a McSwinney with Starmer cypher to drag them back.