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1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

Shut up you tart - you can level a lot at SR but I'm general they have always invested.

Nah, Dragan has done the investing and SR has largely wasted his money unless you can show me different farmer boy.

Posted
Just now, goodymatt said:

Interesting that we have looked at players like Azaz and Rak-Sakyi in the past, doesn’t suggest Spors is finding new options…

George Long is new

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Posted
1 minute ago, S-Clarke said:

I liked Rak-Sakyi, but his loan at Shef U raised some eyebrows as he did diddly squat. He's got genuine ability and pace though, certainly adds to what we don't have. I'm just not quite sure if he's any better or any more proven than Edozie that's all.

Understandable, but up to Still to decide if he can coax the ability out of him more, which he clearly does have. BBD looked rank there second half of the season so not sure the Blades environment was the best with all of the owner politics and AI scouting in the background.

Posted
1 hour ago, S-Clarke said:

Is that because he's a sensible signing, but with no huge future sell on/upsale?

Yes I think so. His age and profile don’t fit what we generally take on board. I feel ( like most) that he is way more likely to be influential than Charlie Taylor who has not worked - or Rothwell or perhaps even Ryan Fraser. All about same age. But he’s expensive old and no resale. I don’t think SR can get over that bit in their heads. Yet. 

Posted
Just now, hypochondriac said:

Always the most likely choice. Perhaps him and Azaz and a winger on loan and that's it .

Really need a CM especially if Smallbone to Wrexham proceeds and Aribo’s agent finally flogs him somewhere and pockets a commission. 

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Posted
Just now, Gloucester Saint said:

Really need a CM especially if Smallbone to Wrexham proceeds and Aribo’s agent finally flogs him somewhere and pockets a commission. 

I assume a backup cm will very much be of that level.

Posted
4 minutes ago, saintant said:

Is he much better or different than Edozie? I'm not convinced he is but am probably missing something.

I can't speak for having watched Rak-Sakyi play live much, but if you are a numbers person, there are some notable differences; 

- much better end product in terms of G/A
- appears to be more physically able, or at least contributes a bit more defensively
- better in the air

Should be noted that Rak-Sakyi has a much larger sample size in the last 365 days, and obviously this is all dependent on the system they play in. 

https://fbref.com/en/players/45685411/Jesurun-Rak-Sakyi

https://fbref.com/en/players/007414dd/Samuel-Edozie

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Posted (edited)
3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I assume a backup cm will very much be of that level.

Don’t know, Aribo is a bigger earner, Smallbone less so, and of course very contingent on MF. One for competition if MF stays but if he doesn’t then a first team CM coming in as Charles and Downes will get injuries and suspensions.

Probably a very late loan for a CM pushed further down the pecking order after a PL’s clubs own Lidl trolley dash.

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Posted
1 minute ago, Smirking_Saint said:

You can’t say they’ve not spent, they’ve not spent well but have spent

I think frittered is a better word to describe what they've done with Dragan's money.

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Posted
57 minutes ago, disconnect said:

Not since day 1 - his first game or two he actually looked like he could be pretty good (some good positive running and crossing), but needed some time to settle into the team positionally and defensively. Sadly that never happened and he went backwards from there. 

While he has been pretty horrendous for us, I also think it's fair to put him in 'Russell Martin's collection of broken players' along with BBD and Archer. He did start brightly before being yelled at to pass inside and back at all times and you could see he didn't have enough ego to back himself, so he completely lost his way and ended up making terrible decisions . I still remember one early game where he played a nice little ball round the corner to Smallbone, breaking the press, but Smallbone, who had no-one behind him, didn't turn and instead played a wall pass, Suga got trapped by 2 and lost the ball and you could see the confidence just draining out of him.

He was a full Japan international and you don't get there if you don't have some ability, but right now he looks a million miles from that. Hopefully the loan has an option to buy, and in case he smashes it, one of those buy-back-to-sell-on type things too which we got stung by on Archer.

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Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, santolijador said:

I can't speak for having watched Rak-Sakyi play live much, but if you are a numbers person, there are some notable differences; 

- much better end product in terms of G/A
- appears to be more physically able, or at least contributes a bit more defensively
- better in the air

Should be noted that Rak-Sakyi has a much larger sample size in the last 365 days, and obviously this is all dependent on the system they play in. 

https://fbref.com/en/players/45685411/Jesurun-Rak-Sakyi

https://fbref.com/en/players/007414dd/Samuel-Edozie

I compared the two a while ago and used the season we were promoted for Edozie and last season for Rak-Sakyi.  They were about the same age and probably a bit more comparable being in the same division.  There wasn't much in it but Edozie came out slightly better (in terms of goals and assists).

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Posted
3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

If Fernandes goes will be interesting to see a comparison of the first 11 for this season compared to two years ago. Will be quite close I would have thought.

Can’t see him going now to be honest, would be stunned if anyone pays what we want for him. 
 

(Awaits Ornstein tweet saying deal agreed) 

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Posted (edited)
9 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

I compared the two a while ago and used the season we were promoted for Edozie and last season for Rak-Sakyi.  They were about the same age and probably a bit more comparable being in the same division.  There wasn't much in it but Edozie came out slightly better.

I'd say Rak-Sakyi was a little stronger physically, but offers less variety in terms of tricks. Rak-Sakyi is very left footed, which means nine times out of ten he comes inside. That had better be what Still wants, otherwise he is the wrong man for the job. I think there are some major red flags, notably the fact he only started five games after Xmas last season and was dropped completely for the final two games and the play offs. Palace have a very good record of spotting talented attackers from the championship and if they are selling him, then they don't think he is going to become PL quality. 

Edit: one redeeming feature is he had a decent game at shit park last season, so might enjoy himself again in a couple of weeks.

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Posted
7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

If Fernandes goes will be interesting to see a comparison of the first 11 for this season compared to two years ago. Will be quite close I would have thought.

You'd have to wait until the window closed to be completely fair, as that departure would allow us to loan/buy a couple on the final day possibly

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1 minute ago, Chez said:

You'd have to wait until the window closed to be completely fair, as that departure would allow us to loan/buy a couple on the final day possibly

I'm assuming Azaz and rak saki or similar and a CM backup option will be our lot. Will be interesting to see where we are stronger if anywhere !

Posted
3 minutes ago, Chez said:

I'd say Rak-Sakyi was a little stronger physically, but offers less variety in terms of tricks. Rak-Sakyi is very left footed, which means nine times out of ten he comes inside. That had better be what Still wants, otherwise he is the wrong man for the job. I think there are some major red flags, notably the fact he only started five games after Xmas last season and was dropped completely for the final two games and the play offs. Palace have a very good record of spotting talented attackers from the championship and if they are selling him, then they don't think he is going to become PL quality. 

I don't think they want to sell him particularly, they've rebuffed our approaches quite a few times. It's probably a case of the 'price being right' then they may deal.

I think they see him as a talent and so do we, but the Sheffield United loan has raised some eyebrows as he didn't impact the league as I expected him to do.

Posted
Just now, S-Clarke said:

I don't think they want to sell him particularly, they've rebuffed our approaches quite a few times. It's probably a case of the 'price being right' then they may deal.

I think they see him as a talent and so do we, but the Sheffield United loan has raised some eyebrows as he didn't impact the league as I expected him to do.

Palace fan at work,

"

I wouldn't say he did f all, but I am amazed we've rejected that.

 

Probably want about £12m, hope you offer that as we need him off the books."

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2 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I don't think they want to sell him particularly, they've rebuffed our approaches quite a few times. It's probably a case of the 'price being right' then they may deal.

I think they see him as a talent and so do we, but the Sheffield United loan has raised some eyebrows as he didn't impact the league as I expected him to do.

My guess is Palace put out the £10m figure at the start of the window and no one is interested. If we have any interest it should be on loan with an option to buy. Who else is thinking of spending £10m on him? I don't think any team is.

 

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Posted
23 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Don’t know, Aribo is a bigger earner, Smallbone less so, and of course very contingent on MF. One for competition if MF stays but if he doesn’t then a first team CM coming in as Charles and Downes will get injuries and suspensions.

Probably a very late loan for a CM pushed further down the pecking order after a PL’s clubs own Lidl trolley dash.

You'd have to assume that any 4th/5th choice CM isn't going to be much better that Smallbone, so we'll only sell him if we can make good money  and replace with a cheap loan. Either that or they will buy a quality CM to add competition for Charles/Downes and hopefully MF , which seems a bit unlikely, but I suppose you never know.

 

Posted
2 minutes ago, Teamsaint1 said:

You'd have to assume that any 4th/5th choice CM isn't going to be much better that Smallbone, so we'll only sell him if we can make good money  and replace with a cheap loan. Either that or they will buy a quality CM to add competition for Charles/Downes and hopefully MF , which seems a bit unlikely, but I suppose you never know.

 

Depends what position you’re talking about Smallbone playing in. A traffic cone is just as effective as a number 6

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Posted
Just now, Willo of Whiteley said:

It’s almost like I said Rak-Sakyi enquiries had begun.

A week ago 👀👍🏻

Not exactly a nostradamus prediction given he's one of the only wingers we've been linked with .

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

It’s almost like I said Rak-Sakyi enquiries had begun.

A week ago 👀👍🏻

It’s amazing that didn’t get much traction 

Posted
23 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Palace fan at work,

"

I wouldn't say he did f all, but I am amazed we've rejected that.

 

Probably want about £12m, hope you offer that as we need him off the books."

That rings alarm bells 🙂

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Posted

I don't think Graeme Bailey is the best source around. Rak-Sakyi also wouldn't be top of my list. As noted by others his loan at Sheffield United last season wasn't exactly Nathan Tella level. Fellows, Sima or an outfield shout for a loan for Esse would be ahead in my list, although Esse did get a run out at the weekend.

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34 minutes ago, revolution saint said:

Palace fan at work,

"

I wouldn't say he did f all, but I am amazed we've rejected that.

 

Probably want about £12m, hope you offer that as we need him off the books."

 

11 minutes ago, saintant said:

That rings alarm bells 🙂

Don't forget we always buy one season ahead... So we're now targeting ideal players for next season's PL relegation quest... ;)

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Posted
3 minutes ago, HarvSFC said:

I don't think Graeme Bailey is the best source around. Rak-Sakyi also wouldn't be top of my list. As noted by others his loan at Sheffield United last season wasn't exactly Nathan Tella level. Fellows, Sima or an outfield shout for a loan for Esse would be ahead in my list, although Esse did get a run out at the weekend.

I would suggest if we have arrived at rak sakyi that we are already some way down our list.

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33 minutes ago, S-Clarke said:

I don't think they want to sell him particularly, they've rebuffed our approaches quite a few times. It's probably a case of the 'price being right' then they may deal.

I think they see him as a talent and so do we, but the Sheffield United loan has raised some eyebrows as he didn't impact the league as I expected him to do.

I thought Palace were lacking squad depth - had two sub goalies on the bench on Saturday! Logic says they wouldn’t want to let him go, but not in Saturday’s squad, so that to me says they will let him go. Which also says that they aren’t really that bothered about losing him. 
Another signing who probably won’t be good enough if we go up. So probably won’t be able to shift him on as he’s on a 4 year deal, another member of the deadwood squad. 
* Cynical old me I know. Possible he can improve I guess but alarm bells for me that Sheff Utd didn’t want him…
 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, trousers said:

 

Don't forget we always buy one season ahead... So we're now targeting ideal players for next season's PL relegation quest... ;)

Or League 1 promotion bid 

Posted
1 hour ago, Jack said:

Yep, I’d say that was as Russell’s weirdest and shittest call tactically, and there is significant competition 

For me it's a draw between that, and playing two up top away against Bournemouth and starting with five centre forwards on the bench and none on the pitch. 

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Let's just face it we're going to lose Fernandes late and get left high and dry with replacements while retaining all the dogshit deadwood players.

"We tried...it's so hard". Rinse and fucking repeat. The SR way.

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Posted
48 minutes ago, Willo of Whiteley said:

It’s almost like I said Rak-Sakyi enquiries had begun.

A week ago 👀👍🏻

Are you Fareham Saint James in disguise?

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Posted
1 hour ago, Appy said:

 

Seems a bit of desperate barrel scraping given his Sheffield Utd time. On a loan perhaps , possibly with an option to buy, but any more than that and it seems we're intent on accumulating next summers 'deadwood' already.

Fellows is a better prospect at that sort of cost..  

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Posted
1 minute ago, Badger said:

Seems a bit of desperate barrel scraping given his Sheffield Utd time. On a loan perhaps , possibly with an option to buy, but any more than that and it seems we're intent on accumulating next summers 'deadwood' already.

Fellows is a better prospect at that sort of cost..  

Tbf West Brom would want £20m for Fellows so way out of our price range. 

Posted
3 minutes ago, Badger said:

Seems a bit of desperate barrel scraping given his Sheffield Utd time. On a loan perhaps , possibly with an option to buy, but any more than that and it seems we're intent on accumulating next summers 'deadwood' already.

Fellows is a better prospect at that sort of cost..  

Now that West Brom have made money from Heggem, can’t see them selling Fellows. 

Posted

Sorry if we are going to spunk 12 million+ on Rak-Sakyi, I'd rather keep and play Edozie. I've always rated him, 6 goals in the Championship last time, Maybe Still could unlock more from him? 

If we are considering Sakyi, loan with option to buy would be more low risk? 

Winger Wise: 

Fellows, Would ambitious 

Morgan Whittaker - Middlesbrough.

Largie Ramazani - Leeds 

Attacking Midfielder: 

Finn Azaz or Rudoni 

Defensive Mid:  Romeu or Reed 

Striker:  Piroe 

 

 

 

 

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Posted
Just now, ally_uk said:

Sorry if we are going to spunk 12 million+ on Rak-Sakyi, I'd rather keep and play Edozie. I've always rated him, 6 goals in the Championship last time, Maybe Still could unlock more from him? 

If we are considering Sakyi, loan with option to buy would be more low risk? 

Winger Wise: 

Fellows, Would ambitious 

Morgan Whittaker - Middlesbrough.

Largie Ramazani - Leeds 

Attacking Midfielder: 

Finn Azaz or Rudoni 

Defensive Mid:  Romeu or Reed 

Striker:  Piroe 

 

 

 

 

We should be all over Ramazani from Leeds. Available on loan or permanent I believe. 

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Posted
1 minute ago, Harry_SFC said:

We should be all over Ramazani from Leeds. Available on loan or permanent I believe. 

Going to Valencia, slightly better move for him. 

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Harry_SFC said:

Tbf West Brom would want £20m for Fellows so way out of our price range. 

I saw £12m mentioned in an article previously. Although that was before we are known to have pocketed the Dibling money.

Posted
9 minutes ago, CB Fry said:

absolutely hyped for the next few days. This new wood we are going to be bringing are going to be awesome 👌 

Are you sure SR know how to get wood?

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